Abortionist Hodari: $0 fine; Pro-lifer Miller: $1100 bill

The Detroit News reported today that the MI Dept. of Environmental Quality will not levy any fines against late-term abortionist Alberto Hodari for tossing aborted babies, biohazardous waste, used drugs, needles, and medical records into his dumpster. Pro-lifers found all of these over the course of 4 weekends at 3 of Hodari's 6 mills.

hodari trash2.jpgWhen authorities search Hodari's Lathrup Village mill trash, according to the DN, they found "waste that was improperly disposed and separated, placed in unlabeled containers and improperly mixed with other waste" but no babies.

According to the DN, the DEQ charged Hodari with 3 "waste-disposal violations" with instructions to retrain employees. That was it.

Meanwhile, Citizens for a Pro-Life Society reported in an email alert today that Monica Miller, the pro-lifer who stored Hodari's trash at her home until enough evidence was garnered to notify police, is being billed $1100 "for keeping evidence on my property from Hodari's dumpster - evidence that we collected so that the DEQ could do an investigation and file charges against Hodari!"...

CPLS stated in a press release:

The DEQ defends its inaction by claiming that Hodari's violation was a one-time, isolated instance. Miller explains: "This is not true. And the DEQ knows it's not true! We gave them evidence of violations that we discovered on February 24th and March 2nd. Furthermore we gave them evidence of violations at other Hodari abortion clinics - not just the one in Lathrup Village. There's no question that Hodari violated the law multiple times....

CPLS has released an extended video that includes footage of obscured patient records and additional babies taken Hodari's trash:

There is no justice when it comes to abortion. Authorities/judges are either pro-aborts are cowed by pro-aborts.

[Still shot of Hodari's trash was taken from above video]


Comments:

I'm very curious as to who all of those used condoms belonged to. I wonder if Hodari was having sex with his abortion patients. Perhaps for a fee reduction????

Posted by: heather at March 26, 2008 4:40 PM


Also, Why would there be syringes lying around? Where was the bio-hazard container?

Posted by: heather at March 26, 2008 4:43 PM


Heather, the condoms were likely used to cover vaginal ultrasounds.

Posted by: Jill Stanek at March 26, 2008 4:45 PM


Okay. *sigh of relief*

Posted by: heather at March 26, 2008 4:47 PM


So the very same trash that does not warrent a fine while on Hodari's property in the dumpster, suddently warrents a fine when it's moved to someone's private home before being reported to authorities????

Wow, how can they possibly try to justify that?!!!!

Posted by: Kristi at March 26, 2008 4:51 PM


Jill:

I suggest you publish the e-mail address of the DEQ Director so that we can tell him/her how we feel about this travesty. Also, we should copy the Governor's office as well.

Finally, this is really a heartbreaking video and so representative of how far our contry has traveled down the slippery slope.

Perhaps it is too late for the USA.

Posted by: HisMan at March 26, 2008 4:56 PM


No I don't think it is too late for the US HisMan. At least you are debating and there is some action on the political level.
In Canada - there's nothing. Cripes, we can't even have a debate at a university and many universities no longer allow prolife clubs anymore. If they are on campus, they are very low key.

Quite frankly, I'm not surprised that Monica Miller was fined. This is a clear message to prolifers - don't do this again or we will prosecute you.
As for Hodari - well, you know the saying "There's no justice in this life."

Posted by: Patricia at March 26, 2008 5:24 PM


Follow the (blood)money trail...

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Posted by: Hooves-in-Maw at March 26, 2008 5:35 PM


I seem to recall predicting that this wouldn't amount to anything....

Posted by: SoMG at March 26, 2008 5:42 PM


SoMG:

Seeing as how you are a practicing prognosticator batting 1000, can I have this week's winning lotto numbers?

Posted by: Hooves-in-Maw at March 26, 2008 6:10 PM


SoMG:

"wouldn't amount to anything"

I thought you were talking about yourself.

Posted by: Anon at March 26, 2008 6:19 PM


I have to wonder if some some lawyer got Hodari off the hook because evidence was removed from the dumpster. Evidence tampering of any kind can throw a case out of court.
I had concerns about Monica Miller, however good her intentions, tampering with the contents of the dumpster. Police always urge that when you come across a crime scene, you immediately notify authorities and disturb the scene as little as possible or not at all. You take home the evidence and put it in your garage, some criminal is going to walk.
Did she call authorities immediately when she discovered this was going on?
While it disgusts me that Hodari got off the hook, I'm not surprised.

Posted by: Mary at March 26, 2008 7:44 PM


"While it disgusts me that Hodari got off the hook, I'm not surprised."

Maybe Planned Parenthood will open a nice modern clinic in the area so women have more choices and will run Hordari out of business. I think everyone can agree would be an improvement.

Posted by: Hal at March 26, 2008 8:22 PM


Oh, Hal, don't be silly!! Women shouldn't have choices!! *wink*

Posted by: Edyt at March 26, 2008 8:43 PM


Maybe Ms. Miller shouldn't try to play amateur detective. Doesn't she know that "evidence" removed from an alleged crime scene without a search warrant is worthless in court? You can't just bring any old medical waste from your house and claim you found them in an abortion clinic's dumpster.

Posted by: reality at March 26, 2008 8:57 PM


Hal,

Excuse me, but Hodari is conducting a legal abortion business. Legal abortion means safe abortion, right? Hodari was all about providing women with choices, right? You've made this argument many times Hal.
So this means Hodari conducts his legal abortion business only under the highest standards of patient safety. This certainly isn't the kind of man who would brag to medical students that he doesn't always wash his hands between patients and that he feels justified in lying to patients.
This is a man who would insist on proper disposal of biohazardous material and would consider patient confidentiality sacrosanct. Certainly not the kind of man who dumps biohazardous waste in a dumpster or who would so callously disregards patient confidentiality as to not keep records properly locked up.
My goodness Hal, are you, of all people, actually suggesting that a legal abortion facility should be shut down? I thought legal abortion always meant safe abortion.

Posted by: Mary at March 26, 2008 8:59 PM


"Legal abortion means safe abortion, right?"

Legal abortion in general makes for safer abortions, then illegal abortion would. But, I'm willing to admit some legal abortions are done by doctors who don't practice the highest degree of care, just as some illegal abortions might, in theory, be state-of-the-art.

I believe the market could provide remedies for doctors who did not provide high quality care for their patients. They wouldn't be shut down by the government (assuming the complied with the law) but they'd go out of business as women found better providers.

And, by the way, I'd have no problem with his clinic being shut down if it were established he was not living up to basic safety and health standards. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the whole "medical waste" and "patient records" violations.

Posted by: Hal at March 26, 2008 9:31 PM


Hal,

When doctors were performing illegal abortions in their offices they had to be very careful, about patient confidentiality, biohazardous waste, and the patient herself. Any slip-up would mean jail.
Hodari could hang out his shingle, violate all medical ethics and patient safety, and still practice with the full protection of the law. He continues to do so.
The argument has long been that legal abortion meant safe abortion. Obviously this has not been the case.

Posted by: Mary at March 26, 2008 9:49 PM


Hal,
Regardless of whether the babies end up in the dumpster or are "properly disposed," the fact remains that they have been sucked up, grinded, or dismembered limb-for-limb. This is the PRIMARY atrocity; the manner of disposal is SECONDARY.

How one can view footage of tiny human eyeballs, limbs, and ribcages and remain "pro-choice" is incomprehensible.

Posted by: Ellie at March 26, 2008 10:27 PM


It's rather fitting, though - Monica Miller being such a busybody and all.

Posted by: Pap Taylor Gang at March 26, 2008 11:02 PM


Mary, you have no basis for impugning Dr. Hodari's safety.

Posted by: SoMG at March 26, 2008 11:14 PM


Or that he "violate[s] all medical ethics and patient safety".

What you are doing is called slander.

Posted by: SoMG at March 26, 2008 11:16 PM


What you are doing is called slander.

So sue her.

Posted by: Elizabeth at March 26, 2008 11:20 PM


He has an issue with disposal of waste. He should be warned and given a chance to clean up.

Posted by: SoMG at March 26, 2008 11:21 PM


One of the Ten Commandments is not to bear false witness.

Posted by: SoMG at March 26, 2008 11:22 PM


SoMG -- sound like you were on disposal duty that day...

Posted by: Anon at March 26, 2008 11:26 PM


Hooves, you may notice the site is a bit tamer since you were here last.

Posted by: truthseeker at March 26, 2008 11:27 PM


SoMG,
You never answered my question on the previous thread when you netioned that you had held somebody elses baby. Did the baby vomit on you when you held him/her?

Posted by: truthseeker at March 26, 2008 11:31 PM


Mary, you have no basis for impugning Dr. Hodari's safety.

Oh really, SoMG? Let's look at Hodari's record of safety:

Dr. Abraham Alberto Hodari worked at Northland Family Planning Clinic, a National Abortion Federation member in Michigan. He also worked at Woman Care Clinic and Detroit Memorial Hospital. He is believed to have performed the fatal abortions on Tamia Russell and Chivon Williams.

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A 1986 suit by Pamela L. alleged that she underwent an abortion by Hodari and/or Dr. Roumell and/or other physicians. She faulted her doctor with failure to properly determine gestational age, failure to remove all of the placenta, and failure to detect the incomplete abortion. Pamela required further hospitalization and surgery. (Wayne County Circuit Court Case No. 86-627445)

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Joann B. alleged that she was diagnosed pregnant by Hodari and/or staff at Northland Women's Medical Center. There was no ultrasound or other verification done to ensure that the positive pregnancy test was accurate. Joann underwent an abortion by Hodari June 17, 1985. She suffered a perforated uterus and permanent injury for which surgical repair was required. After her abortion Joann learned that she had not actually been pregnant. (Oakland County Circuit Court Civil Action No. 86 320211)

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Bonita L. alleged that she submitted to an abortion by Hodari on September 5, 1984 at Womancare of Lakewood. Bonita had been 9 weeks pregnant. About 30 minutes post-procedure Bonita experienced bleeding and cramping, for which she was treated with Ergotrate. Bonita experienced shock and continued bleeding, was "ultimately transported to Bon Secours Hospital" where surgery found 3 cm uterine perforation, bleeding right uterine artery, and perforation of her broad ligament, "all perforations being beyond repair." Bonita's uterus was removed. (Wayne County Circuit Court Case No. 85-504476)

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Christine B. alleged incomplete 1983 abortion at Hodari's Womancare.
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Valerie H. alleged failure to diagnose her ectopic pregnancy in a 1982 abortion by Sasinee Vibhasiri at Woman Care/Detroit Memorial Hospital, and in follow-up by A. Hodari (possibly Abraham Alberto Hodari) at Detroit Memorial Hospital.

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Karen W. alleged that she underwent an abortion by Lee Stevenson at the direction of Hodari on September 9, 1980, at Detroit Memorial Hospital. Karen was discharged from the hospital on September 15. She sued for failure to notify her of risks and complications and for an undisclosed injury. (Wayne County Circuit Court Case No. 82-233821-NM)

HT:Christina Dunigan at RealChoice

Slander, SoMG? Nope- public record. This man's a butcher.

Posted by: Jacqueline at March 27, 2008 1:06 AM


Jill- I know we're disputing this fine- but if we end up having to pay, I'll help.

By the way- I hope the notified women whose records were thrown in the dumpster are offered free assistance suing his ass off. That may be better than a fine, although this act is criminal.

Posted by: Jacqueline at March 27, 2008 1:08 AM


I'll bet some of these women will try to sue. I also believe that all of this evidence will somehow disappear before it ever comes to that.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 7:29 AM


SOMG 11:14PM

I have no basis to impugne Hodari's "safety"?
You are being funny, right?
He is careless with biohazardous material which poses a danger to patients, employees, and the public, he completely disregards patient confidentiality, and even boasts to medical students that he does lie to his patients and doesn't always wash his hands between patients.
Obviously SOMG, your expectations and standards are somewhere between non-existent and minimal when it comes to abortionists.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 7:46 AM


Jacqueline 1:06am

An excellent post, thank you.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 7:52 AM


Jacqueline, I notice that in your quotes from "RealChoice" (boy that's an unbiased source *eyeroll*) that none of the suits say what the results were.

Hmmmmm.....if any of those "allegations" had been proven in court, I'd hazard a guess that you would be trumpeting that fact pretty loudly.

So again, you don't have any valid sources that say that Hodari's record of safety is in question.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 9:13 AM


Also, why are you all so excited about Hodari's trash? You seem to be operating under the false assumption that he was personally responsible for trash disposal. The article makes it pretty clear what the problem was (medical waste being disposed of in standard trash bags before being placed in the red trash bags led to confusion and mistakes by the cleaning crew).

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 9:16 AM


Heir, how would you feel if you had an abortion, and your medical records were dumped for all the world to see? I'm very picky about my privacy, and if someone did this to me, I'd blow a gear. Most women don't want anyone to find out that they've aborted. So, how do you feel about the women involved in this case?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:19 AM


Heir, do you feel that these women should be able to sue for Dr. Hodari's negligence?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:20 AM


Heather, I agree, medical records should be shredded before they're dumped in the trash. But that wasn't what I was talking about.

Everyone has the right to sue for injuries caused by another. However, not every suit has merit, and what I was pointing out was that none of Jacqueline's examples indicated that any of those women had gotten a verdict in their favor.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 9:25 AM


However, you are still missing the point. Dr. Hodari was negligent. He betrayed his patients. There are no winners here. The guy will just keep on with his sloppy practice. I will all be swept under the rug.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:28 AM


Hieronymous 9:16am

It was HIS office and HIS responsibility to have biohazard bags in each room and to be certain all biohazardous material was properly handled and disposed of and to be certain his employess, regardless of who they were, were properly trained in the handling of biohazardous material. Do you expect any less from your doctor and his/her office staff? I would hope not since this would pose a risk to your safety as a patient.
Our hospital "cleaning crew" is trained in the handling, cleaning up of, and proper disposal of biohazardous material of any kind and are very consciencious about doing so.
Sorry Hieronymous, your boy doesn't get off the hook on this one. The "cleaning crew" argument doesn't wash. This is indefensible.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 9:33 AM


What if this were an HIV testing clinic, and the clinic workers/doctor tossed the patient's results into a dumpster? Think of the humiliation you could cause someone.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:35 AM


Hieronymous,

I'm curious, what if your doctor boasted to medical students that he/she doesn't always wash his/her hands between patients and feels justified in lying to patients(you)?
Add this to the biohzardous material disposal problem and the complete disregard for patient(your) confidentiality as well.
You wouldn't have some very serious reservations about this "doctor"?

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 9:39 AM


Jacqueline, I notice that in your quotes from "RealChoice" (boy that's an unbiased source *eyeroll*) that none of the suits say what the results were.

RealChoice compiled the unbiased sources. These courts aren't biased- and if they are, it'd likely be in Hodari's favor.

Drop your zeal for baby-killing for one second to look at these cases: Do you really think all these individual claims of perforated uteri, etc. are baseless? How exactly would these women get their uterus perforated? I'm clumsy and I've never tripped, fell and perforated my uterus.

And- let's not forget Hodari's little indemnity slip saying "I am not responsible if it turns out you were never pregnant at all." Could that not be the aftermath of Joann B.'s lawsuit, where he did an abortion, butchered her uterus and she was never pregnant to begin with.

You folks will let abortionists get away with murder (no pun intended toward the babies or Tamia Russell, Chivon Williams). I guess your ability to have consequence-free sex is worth any price that OTHERS have to pay.

Posted by: Jacqueline at March 27, 2008 9:39 AM


I was pointing out was that none of Jacqueline's examples indicated that any of those women had gotten a verdict in their favor.

A man that makes patients sign a form that says that won't sue if he does an abortion when they're not pregnant is obviously incompetant. How many false positives with pregnancy tests are there, and the women must be far along enough to get the abortion, which mean the baby is viewable via ultrasound.

So no, I don't know the results of these cases- but only that Hodari admits that he might do surgery to remove a baby that's not there- How safe is that?

Posted by: Jacqueline at March 27, 2008 9:44 AM


PCers generally turn this into an US against THEM type of deal. This could be your mother, sister, aunt, or daughter. We are trying to work to help women, but you guys just fail to see it that way.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:46 AM


Heather, 9:35am

Not to mention the serious risk to the general public. You think the medical professionals in that clinic wouldn't be hung out to dry, and well they should be! Let them try to blame the "cleaning crew"!

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 9:46 AM


Gee, is it any wonder that the PC crowd will now turn on Monica Miller for her dumpster diving?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:49 AM


Hier,

Bonita L. required an emergency hysterectomy following her abortion at Hodari's clinic. Uterine perforations were found. Exactly how do you think she got them? In all my years in nursing I've never heard of a uterus spontaneously perforating for no apparent reason.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 9:50 AM


Mary, right! Jacque and Mary, How in the dickens does an abortionists NOT KNOW if a woman is pregnant or not? What? No specimen cups or test strips either?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:51 AM


Mary, here's one more thing. What if a child had gotten a hold of one of those syringes? When dumpsters are emptied, there is usually dropped waste around the dumpster site.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:55 AM


"PCers generally turn this into an US against THEM type of deal. This could be your mother, sister, aunt, or daughter. We are trying to work to help women, but you guys just fail to see it that way."

That's a two way street you know. We're trying to help women too. It could be your mother, sister, aunt or daughter that wants a legal and safe abortion.

Posted by: Hal at March 27, 2008 9:55 AM


Hal, Do you consider Hodari's actions safe or legal here?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 9:56 AM


What is safe or legal about performing an abortion on a non-pregnant woman? What is safe about abortionist not washing his hands? What is legal about an abortionist admitting that he lies to his patients? What is safe or legal about dumping medical records into a dumpster?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 10:01 AM


Thank you for your recent email expressing concern over medical waste disposal practices at the Womancare facilities in southeast Michigan. The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality is continuing its investigation of these facilities and the clinics' medical waste disposal practices to determine compliance with Michigan's Medical Waste Regulatory Act, Part 138 of 1978 PA 368, as amended.. This investigation is ongoing and no additional information can be released at this time.

John N. Gohlke, Program Specialist
Medical Waste Regulatory Program
Storage Tank and Solid Waste Section
Waste and Hazardous Material Division
Department of Environmental Quality
517-241-1320
fax: 517-335-2245

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 10:02 AM


Hey, look at this e-mail I just received concerning the Hodari case!

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 10:03 AM


Heather 9:55am

Good point. How often have we seen debris from garbage trucks and dumpsters flying around? Imagine the risk to anyone in the general public if this was biohazardous waste. What a nice thought as well to think of my confidential medical records being read by the garbage collectors or blowing around on the street.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 10:07 AM


Heather 9:51am

Especially when you consider how easy and accurate pregnancy tests are these days. Hodari didn't know how to perform one?

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 10:10 AM


I was under the impression that abortionists had to perfom an ultrasound to find the location of the baby. Am I wrong?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 10:13 AM


Mary, evidently if the women were too stupid when it came to their own bodies, I guess Hodari seized the moment.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 10:16 AM


It was HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE!

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 10:25 AM


heather- the doctor himself generally doesn't perform the ultrasound. Both times I had one it was a nurse tech. It should have been his/her responsibility to confirm pregnancy- so I dunno what happened there.

Posted by: Erin at March 27, 2008 11:20 AM


I never had an ultrasound Heather before my abortion. In fact they told me I was 8 weeks along. How would they know?? I figured out the dates many years later and found out I was 10-11 weeks along.

Posted by: Carla at March 27, 2008 11:21 AM


Erin,

You don't need an ultrasound to determine pregnancy, a simple pregnancy test will suffice. If that was negative Hodari could have just told the patient to wait a week or so and repeat the test, and to follow up with her own doctor to be certain there is no other problem.
Yes it is the doctor's responsibility to review the ultrasound and determine if there is a pregnancy and how advanced it is. He/she would have to make certain among other things that an ectopic pregnancy is not present.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 11:53 AM


Hmmm....I wonder why there was no mention about HIPAA violations? There were clearly evidence of medical records in the trash.

I work in a big medical Insurance company and SPI (sensitive personal info) and PHI (personal health info) are very serious matters.

HIPAA violations is a violation of Federal law.

Maybe somebody should look into this?

Posted by: RSD at March 27, 2008 12:01 PM


Maybe someone already did and concluded it was an accident.

I love all the amateur law enforcement that goes on here.

Posted by: Hal at March 27, 2008 12:46 PM


hal, yet you never answered my question.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 12:53 PM


I answered it before you asked it:

And, by the way, I'd have no problem with his clinic being shut down if it were established he was not living up to basic safety and health standards. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the whole "medical waste" and "patient records" violations.
Posted by: Hal at March 26, 2008 9:31 PM

I'm all for shutting down the sleezy mills and replacing them with modern, professional, Planned Parenthood facilities (or similar)

Posted by: Hal at March 27, 2008 1:05 PM


Hal,

"Accidents" like that are a violation of federal law as RSD points out. Did you hear up to 13 employees of UCLA medical center were terminated for the "accident" of looking at Britney Spears' medical records? If my doctor commits such an "accident" with my medical records as throwing them in his office dumpster, I hope the feds nail him to the wall, then I plan to sue him.
Confidentiality standards are rigid. Where I work computer patient records and who visits them are closely monitored. If you have no business there you are terminated on the spot, no questions asked and no reasons accepted.
HIPAA never heard of "accidents".

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 1:13 PM


RSD,

I believe either Carla or Valerie told me something about Hodari not falling under HIPAA rules because his clinic is not subject to the state and federal regulations like other facilities, including your veterinarian, are.
You would be much more knowledgable about this than I am so what would be the case here? I'm getting two different messages.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 1:17 PM


I'm all for shutting down the sleezy mills and replacing them with modern, professional, Planned Parenthood facilities (or similar)
Posted by: Hal at March 27, 2008 1:05 PM

Auschwitz was very efficient and kept excellent records until the Allies interfered.

Posted by: Bismarck at March 27, 2008 1:49 PM


AS Hal pointed out...I am NOT a lawyer, I work in IT but we are DRILLED every year on the legal ramifications of HIPAA violations...

Accidents or not, we are, at the very least, fined for each violation by the Federal gov't.

What i fail to understand is how these so-called "healthcare" providers/ scum can state they give "healthcare" but does NOT fall under any state or federal regulations.

Posted by: RSD at March 27, 2008 2:01 PM


Ignorance is no excuse unless you live in Michigan.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 27, 2008 2:52 PM


RSD,

Just like I have to wonder how Tiller got away with allowing untrained and unlicensed hirelings to administer drugs and supervise aborting patients in the local hotel.
Kansas apparently lacks a licensing and regulation board as well as health departments.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 3:08 PM


Mary, I wasn't aware of that.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 3:12 PM


Bismarck, Auschwitz was NOT run efficiently. It was supposed to be connected with a Buna-rubber plant but they never produced any rubber.

Auschwitz was NOT an efficient institution.

Posted by: SoMG at March 27, 2008 3:37 PM


Neither is an abortion clinic.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 3:53 PM


Hier,

Bonita L. required an emergency hysterectomy following her abortion at Hodari's clinic. Uterine perforations were found. Exactly how do you think she got them? In all my years in nursing I've never heard of a uterus spontaneously perforating for no apparent reason.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 9:50 AM

Sorry so delayed, I've been working.

Where is your proof that any of those allegations are true? If they were, and if Bonita L. had a case against Hodari, she would have gotten a verdict in her favor.

I realize that you hate abortionists, but I know plenty of good, decent non-abortionist doctors who have had lawsuits filed against them by patients who had problems that weren't related to their treatment, or for things that went wrong with their health that were not causally connected to their treatment. I'm just saying that none of those suits listed from the "RealChoice" site indicates that any of the plaintiffs actually won their case.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 4:47 PM


A man that makes patients sign a form that says that won't sue if he does an abortion when they're not pregnant is obviously incompetant. How many false positives with pregnancy tests are there, and the women must be far along enough to get the abortion, which mean the baby is viewable via ultrasound.

So no, I don't know the results of these cases- but only that Hodari admits that he might do surgery to remove a baby that's not there- How safe is that?

Posted by: Jacqueline at March 27, 2008 9:44 AM

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link to a copy of the release form you're talking about?

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 4:56 PM


Hieronymous,

I'm curious, what if your doctor boasted to medical students that he/she doesn't always wash his/her hands between patients and feels justified in lying to patients(you)?
Add this to the biohzardous material disposal problem and the complete disregard for patient(your) confidentiality as well.
You wouldn't have some very serious reservations about this "doctor"?

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 9:39 AM

All I said was that there doesn't seem to be any real indication that his record of safety is in question. All you guys came up with are less than a handful of inconclusive lawsuits from the mid '80's.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 5:03 PM


Hier,

I don't hate abortionists, I hate what they do.
The records show the lady was transported to Bon Secours hospital in shock after undergoing an abortion by Hodari. The hospital records would and do specifically say what surgery the woman had and describe the injuries to her uterus.
Now unless the hospital agreed to falsify records, and you can think of someplace else she was between her time at Hodari's clinic and the hospital and another way she could have suffered such injury to her uterus, I can only conclude that the lady was seriously injured at Hodari's clinic and was operated on because of it.
I don't know what the verdict was in this case.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 5:04 PM


Mary - what records? You've actually seen the court papers? And the medical records?

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 5:20 PM


Press Conference Friday at Detroit Area Abortion Center where Tamiah Russell Died
Very little media attention so far on the tragedy of this girl's death
DETROIT, April 7, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A press conference is scheduled for Friday, April 9, to discuss the negligence of a Womancare abortionist in the death of fifteen year-old Tamiah Russell, who died in January, two days after a second-trimester abortion. The abortion was performed on her at Womancare abortion center in the Detroit suburb of Lathrup Village. Dr. Alberto Hodari performed the abortion. Her unborn child was six-months gestation.

Very little media attention has been drawn to the tragedy of this girl's death. The abortion was performed without parental consent -- contrary to Michigan law. The father of the aborted baby is 24 years old. No charges have been filed against the father of the unborn child -- even though Tamiah Russell was a victim, not only of a botched abortion, but of statutory rape.

Timiah's family is outraged over the abortion and blames abortionist Hodari for Tamiah's death. This is the second woman to die from consequencs to an abortion at the Womancare abortion center. The family has contacted attorney Geoffrey Feiger to initiate a lawsuit against the abortion clinic.

An autopsy was performed on Tamiah January 9th by Dr. Leigh Hlavaty. Ann Norton, a Michigan pro-life activist, contacted Dr. Hlavaty to inquire about the autopsy results. The girl died from "uterine infraction with sepsis due to a second trimester abortion," he said. Hlavaty told Ann, Norton, who is also a nurse, that the "girl's death was normal." The doctor explained: "I rule it normal because these complications are expected with this type of abortion."

No less than 23 law suits have been filed against Womancare since the late 1980s. These cases were researched by pro-life activists in the late 1990s and turned over to Kathleen Wilbur at the Michigan Department of Health's Allegations and Complaints Department. Pro-lifers repeatedly pressed for an investigation, but no investigation ever occurred regarding the medical practices of Womancare.

"Maybe now something will be done," states Monica Migliorino Miller, Ph.D, director of Citizens for a Pro-life Society. "Woman are dying from the so-called 'safe and legal' abortion. Indeed, a woman died at the Albany abortion center in Chicago on March 27th."

The girl's mother and legal guardian will present statements to the media on Good Friday, April 9, at 11:00AM, on the sidewalk in front of Womancare Abortion Clinic, 28505 Southfield Rd. Lathrup Village, Michigan.

The lawsuits filed against the clinic will be made public at the press conference as well as statistics on physical complications to women in legal abortion. Members of Tamiah Russell's family will be present for questions.
For more information, contact monmigmi@execpc.com

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Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 5:23 PM


Abortionist Says He'll Obey Law Yet Bar Men from Room
By Penny Starr
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
February 07, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - After gaining national media coverage of a videotaped speech at Wayne State University in Detroit where he told medical students it was acceptable to lie to patients, Dr. Alberto Hodari told Cybercast News Service he will no longer tell couples that Michigan state law prohibits the man from being in the room when an abortion is performed.

Hodari said in the speech that he lied about the state law because men who witnessed an abortion usually fainted and one man tried to sue him for an injury he suffered from the fall.

As a result, Hodari would tell the men they could not be in the room where abortions occurred, adding in his videotaped speech: "My wife says we doctors have a license to lie, and it's true. It's absolutely true. Sometimes you need to lie to a patient about things they want to do or no."

But while Hodari told Cybercast News Service he will no longer invoke a non-existent state law, he vowed to continue banning men from the operating room.

"I don't feel comfortable with the boyfriend or husband falling down," Hodari said.

"Abortion does hurt," Hodari said, adding that he thinks abortions are "more an emotional trauma" for men than women and that "women have much stronger personalities" than men.

But medical ethicists and Michigan's ethical codes say that lying to patients is not acceptable in any case.

"Dr. Hodari is simply wrong and outside the boundaries of medical practice," Arthur Caplan, chairman of the Department of Medical Ethics and director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, told Cybercast News Service.

David Orentlicher -- who is a physician, Indiana state representative, former director of the division of medical ethics for the American Medical Association (AMA), and a professor of medical ethics at Indiana University -- cited the second principal in the AMA's Code of Medical Ethics, which says:

"A physician shall uphold the standards of professionalism, be honest in all professional interactions, and strive to report physicians deficient in character or competence, or engaging in fraud or deception, to appropriate entities."

"Honesty is important," Orentlicher told Cybercast News Service, adding that Hodari can ethically set his own policies for his clinic, but that lying should not be a part of that policy. "There is an obvious truthful way to deal with this by saying (no men in the operating room) is my policy."

James McCurtis, spokesman with the Michigan Department of Community Health - the entity that licenses physicians in the state - told Cybercast News Service that Michigan's code of ethics says that physicians have to have "the propensity to serve the public in a fair, open and honest manner."

McCurtis said if a patient files a complaint with the department claiming harm resulting from a doctor lying, the state's Board of Medicine can decide to investigate if the claim seems legitimate. McCurtis said depending on the results of such an investigation, a physician could be warned or face criminal charges.

No complaints have been filed against Hodari, who told Cybercast News Service that he thinks abortions are "necessary" and that partial-birth abortions should not be banned.

Students for Life of America videotaped Hodari when he spoke at Wayne State on Nov. 9, 2007, transcribed the speech, and posted the video and transcription on their Web site and on YouTube.

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 5:26 PM


Hier,

Wayne County Circuit Court Case No. 85-504476.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 5:29 PM


Heather, do you have any legitimate news sources on the Tamia Russell story? Every link I've found connects back to the same single un-confirmed story.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 5:31 PM


Hier 5:03PM

You didn't answer my question.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 5:31 PM


So wait....the whole "Hodari lies to patients" thing was about him telling men that they weren't allowed in the room because he didn't want them to faint? That's it?

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 5:32 PM


Mary, wait, what question? Also, I did see the court case number, just not any indication of what the disposition was.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 5:34 PM


Have to go for a while, but I'll answer your question later if you would be kind enough to tell me what it was (again!).

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 5:35 PM


Heir, I'll try to get you more info, but are you debunking my Timiha Russell story?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 5:45 PM


Hier,

Kindly refer to my 9:39am post concerning the question.

I don't know how the case was decided either.

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 5:51 PM


Hieronymous,

I'm curious, what if your doctor boasted to medical students that he/she doesn't always wash his/her hands between patients and feels justified in lying to patients(you)?
Add this to the biohzardous material disposal problem and the complete disregard for patient(your) confidentiality as well.
You wouldn't have some very serious reservations about this "doctor"?
Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 9:39 AM

Ok, it seems you were referring to these questions. I didn't see what your questions had to do with my post, which was about Hodari's safety record, which is why I didn't answer earlier. But if you're honestly curious...

First, the handwashing/lying thing. If the handwashing brouhaha is a quote taken as ridiculously out of context as the lying thing, then no, that wouldn't cause me to have reservations.

Second, having some small experience with office staff, I can give Hodari some slack on the waste disposal thing. It is truly difficult to hire good staff who have a thorough understanding of what their responsibilities are, and why they should follow what may seem to them like arbitrary rules. Also having dealt in a small way with the disposal of confidential paperwork, I can recall more than a few instances when I realized too late that I had thrown something away in the standard trash can under my desk rather than walking it down to the locked bin that got picked up by the shredding company.

Third, same point as second. Also, in this instance, if I were one of those women, I would be way more pissed at the voyeuristic panty-sniffers who went through the trash and pulled my records out and published them to begin with.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 6:10 PM


Heir, I'll try to get you more info, but are you debunking my Timiha Russell story?

Posted by: heather at March 27, 2008 5:45 PM

I don't have enough information either way.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 27, 2008 6:11 PM


Bismarck, Auschwitz was NOT run efficiently. It was supposed to be connected with a Buna-rubber plant but they never produced any rubber.
Auschwitz was NOT an efficient institution.

Posted by: SoMG at March 27, 2008 3:37 PM

Well, I guess Himmler could have contracted the completion of “The Final Solution” to Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood had the Allies been defeated.

Posted by: Bismarck at March 27, 2008 7:26 PM


Hier,

He told the medical students he didn't always wash his hands between patients, something the students found quite shocking. I can't imagine any reputable doctor making a statement such as this, especially when addressing students. I would think he/she would stress the importance of good handwashing.
Apparently medical ethicists don't view his "license to lie" quite as charitably as you do.
Sorry, but your boy gets no pass on the waste disposal situation. That is indefensible. Medically trained staff, assuming he has any, should know to properly dispose of needles and "sharps" in special containers, which each room should have, as well as biohazard bags. Any untrained staff should be properly instructed and supervised concerning disposal. Patients, staff, and the general public are placed in jeopardy when biohazard material is not properly disposed of.
You are talking of accidental carelessness with a confidential document or two and hopefully you learned to be more careful. Hodari allowed a large number of medical records to be tossed in his dumpster. Why weren't these documents locked up and how did the cleaning crew get their hands on them? By the way the cleaning crew could have read them and maybe pocketed a record or two to share with someone else. Sorry Hier, your boy gets no pass on this either. Absolutely indefensible. Those documents could have been read by the garbage collectors, could have been left at the side of the dumpster, or could have blown out into the street. If Hodari can afford all those fancy cars he can afford a confidential paper disposal system, like our hospital has, to protect his patients.
No Hier, I wouldn't be angry at the "panty sniffers", I would be infuriated at my doctor for his complete disregard for my confidentiality and I would want the feds to nail him to the wall, then I would sue him!

Posted by: Mary at March 27, 2008 8:31 PM


Mary, amen to that! I would do the same!

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 2:33 AM


I think the best form of "punishment" for Hodari, since the law is only fining him $1100.00 , should be this:

1.) Make it public in the local paper that this idiot has publicly announced that he lies to women, and doesn't wash his hands in between patients...and include the direct quote from the video.

2.) Post it in front of his mill for all who enter to see it.

Where I live, they post the names of restaurants that have been shut down due to health code violations, then they LIST those specific violations. It's public record. It's amazing how their business drops when this happens.

I've seen donut shops and convenience stores shut down for employees not wearing gloves when getting donuts and hot dogs for customers.

I suppose an unsanitary donut or hot dog is infinitely more cause for concern than a dirty doctor not washing his hands between patients before doing surgery.

Evidently, donuts and hot dogs now have way more importance and value than women's health and their lives...or the lives of babies.

Effective immediately, I will refrain from calling my 8 year old nephew "hot dog" when he plays well at his soccer game.

Posted by: Mike at March 28, 2008 3:02 AM


Mike, go back and read things again. Hodari got NO FINE!! They fined Monica Miller.

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:10 AM


I wonder if Monica Miller and her fellow panty-sniffers are liable to these women for disclosing the medical records that they dug out of the trash.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 28, 2008 8:32 AM


Do you suppose that's why they slapped her with that big fine? Or was it for storing medical waste in her living room? What a wackjob.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 28, 2008 8:32 AM


Heir, these women won't file any lawsuits. They are "too dumb" about reproductive rights to begin with. I don't feel that they should recover one red cent anyway.

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:39 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:43 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


Also, Dr. Hodari operated on non pregnant women? Now, that's a wack job. As I said before "HER BODY, HODARI'S CHOICE"

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2008 8:44 AM


" How one can view footage of tiny human eyeballs, limbs, and ribcages and remain "pro-choice" is incomprehensible. "

Posted by: Ellie at March 26, 2008 10:27 PM

Ellie,
This is right on the mark.
It is also incomprehensible how anyone can view these body parts, mangled and strewn about in the name of "choice", and say "Well, your opposition to abortion is just your personal religious belief".

Oh?
And the dismembered infant in the clinic dumpster is just my personal religious belief?

Posted by: Slim at March 30, 2008 1:45 PM


Yes, body parts, but not from a thinking, feeling, person. It may look gross, but no matter how much you don't like it, should a pregnant woman be penalized because of your emotion?

Heck no.

Posted by: Pap Taylor Gang at March 31, 2008 5:35 PM


Pap: should a pregnant woman be penalized because of your emotion? Heck no.

Very well said.

Posted by: Doug at April 1, 2008 7:28 AM


How about the woman who did never wake up after being put a sleep to have an abortion! It happen in Womancare of Southfield, 1 year or so before Tamiah! Does enybody remember her name and how the case ended?

Posted by: Anonymous at April 14, 2008 12:31 AM