The Associated Press reported today:

A vast array of pharmaceuticals - including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones - have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows....

In the course of a five-month inquiry, the AP discovered that drugs have been detected in the drinking water supplies of 24 major metropolitan areas - from Southern California to Northern New Jersey, from Detroit to Louisville....

The AP would like have found more but reported only 28 of 62 of those major metropolitan areas even test their water. Of 52 small water plants the AP contacted - at least 1 in each state - 51 reported not testing and 1 refused to respond.

An unnamed "sex hormone" was noted in San Francisco drinking water as well as other unnamed "hormones," according to the AP, along with "synthetic hormones from birth control pills," according to the Washington Post....

Can't find the name of the SF sex hormone. If anyone knows, please comment.

This story and others for quite some time have documented that fish in waterways are affected by human artificial sex hormones:

Some fish we eat may carry enough estrogen to cause human breast cancer.

"Water sampled downstream of a Nebraska [cattle] feedlot had [anabolic] steroid levels 4 times as high as the water taken upstream. Male fathead minnows living... downstream... had low testosterone levels and small heads," according to the AP.

"Notably, male fish are being feminized, creating egg yolk proteins, a process usually restricted to females," according to the AP.

Now it is confirmed synthetic steroids are coming back at us. What are the implications? According to the WP:

[H]ealth effects of drinking these drug compounds over a long period is largely unstudied. Some scientists said there is probably little human health risk; others fear chronic exposure could alter immune responses or interfere with adolescents' developing hormone systems.

Why worry about secondhand hormone ingestion and not firsthand? Developing girls all over the country are taking bc pills every day.

Such hypocrisy. Ignore - even refute - the obvious.

And let's get excited about the danger of hormones in the drinking water now that male sex drive and organs may be implicated.

But let's continue to ignore the harm to girls and women for directly ingesting exponentially larger doses of female hormones.

The interesting thing is, we're downplaying or snubbing the danger of synthetic female hormones on women not due to male chauvanism but rather liberal feminism.

The water also often carries resistant enteric bacteria due to the antibiotics we feed livestock on a regular basis.

and which anticonvulsants?

The water at my school always tastes a bit off. I'm curious as to what I'm drinking. Well, at least I'm not a boozer : /

I have an issue with this quote from the post:

"Water sampled downstream of a Nebraska [cattle] feedlot had [anabolic] steroid levels 4 times as high as the water taken upstream. Male fathead minnows living... downstream... had low testosterone levels and small heads," according to the AP."

Jill's post attributes the problem with the fish to birth control pills, when the actual quote makes it clear that it's the runoff from the cattle feed lot that is the problem.

Some quick googling confirms it:

"Cattle, for example, are given ear implants that provide a slow release of trenbolone, an anabolic steroid used by some bodybuilders, which causes cattle to bulk up. But not all the trenbolone circulating in a steer is metabolized. A German study showed 10 percent of the steroid passed right through the animals.

Water sampled downstream of a Nebraska feedlot had steroid levels four times as high as the water taken upstream. Male fathead minnows living in that downstream area had low testosterone levels and small heads."

So... if we were all vegetarians we wouldn't have this problem.

Also, the "feminizing" of aquatic wildlife can be directly attributed to use of herbicides, and not to pharmaceuticals in the water.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2002/2002-04-16-06.asp

I'm not saying that pharmaceuticals in the water aren't a problem, although I don't know that anyone has enough information on that yet. However, to blame everything on the use of synthetic hormones is just a fallacy and wishful thinking on your part at this point.

Well I for one don't want to crippled with cramps for a few days every month. I don't see why I should have to suffer excruciating pain for the sole fact I was born with a uterus. Plus it cleared up my skin.

So birth control is a "right to privacy" issue? Thing again. A girl's "right to privacy" is leaking into the public water supply.

Actually Jess, I think organic farming methods would be a huge boon to everyone's health.

So birth control is a "right to privacy" issue? Thing again. A girl's "right to privacy" is leaking into the public water supply.

Posted by: Cranky Catholic at March 10, 2008 10:43 AM

Guess what? So is your right to antibiotics, but I doubt you're going to complain about that too much.

Hiero, point taken on anabolic hormones, which are male - testosterone and growth hormones. Will edit article.

As for estrogen affecting fish, keep researching. It's true.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6436617/

Take Midol for cramps and wash your face. That's what I do.

I would never take an artificial hormone that increases risk for Breast Cancer, and has bad side effects like blood clots.

Of course, I believe in saving myself for that one special guy on my wedding night.

Why are girls getting their menstrual time earlier and earlier? 9 is rather young. I think its because of the hormones seeping into the drinking water.

Well I for one don't want to crippled with cramps for a few days every month. I don't see why I should have to suffer excruciating pain for the sole fact I was born with a uterus. Plus it cleared up my skin.
Posted by: Jess at March 10, 2008 10:40 AM

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Changing your diet will do the same thing, without the potential side affects and inflated cost. Adopting a more natural way of eating is fixing the problem...BC pills are just medicating it.

Hiero, I'm not going to complain because there's no such thing as a "right to antibiotics" just like there's no such thing as a "right to privacy."

Jill,

The hormone is Estradiol - but the report isn't clear if this is naturally occurring or ethinyl estradiol, a synthetic hormone.

I've asked the AP investigative team to clarify this situation, and hopefully they will respond soon.

I have some more info on this subject if you would like..

Ruben

But Jill, the article you link to puts the blame as much on estrogen "mimickers" found in detergents, soaps, paints, rubber, cosmetics and plastics as it does on estrogen.

And it doesn't actually say where the estrogen in the water comes from, but it is just as likely to come from the ranching and farming industry as it is from BC. All I'm saying is that there are a LOT of causes of estrogens in our water.

From a fibrocystic breast disease website (http://www.fibrocystic.com/)

"United States and Canadian ranchers routinely give synthetic estrogen to their cattle. As a result of the estrogen, the cattle bloat and retain water. Thus, the estrogenized cattle meat is heavier and more tender. Also the fat begins to build up in the animal and marble through the meat. The ranchers can get more money for their cattle because the meat weighs more and is more tender. The ranchers give estrogen to their cattle intentionally for the bloating fattening effect of estrogen, and faster growth.

.....

The ranchers also give estrogen to cattle and farmers give estrogen to chicken with the full knowledge that the estrogen will cause the animal to grow and mature faster. Now, Time magazine has cited the 1997 landmark study of 17,000 girls aged 8. 15% of these girls are going through early puberty and sprouting breast buds and pubic hair. The Time magazine cover story, October 30, 2000, cites that some chemicals mimic estrogen (xenoestrogens) and blames these chemicals for the early growth spurt of girls and early puberty."

Gahhhhh!!!

I'm going to go buy a reverse osmosis water filter for my house.

I'm already killing my grocery budget by buying organic dairy, produce and meat. This stuff just creeps me the heck out.

Ok LizFromNebraska and Anon, I would take six Midol at a time and still not be able to walk normally. I am a vegetarian who eats mostly fruits, vegetables and whole grains and I am a long distance runner (most runs around 13 miles). Washing my face only dried out my skin, all the females in my family have had skin problems for most of their lives. And I almost never take medication, I was awake for when I had my wisdom teeth out and can't remember the last time I had tylenol. I go for natural methods. However NOTHING helped cramps. Yoga, essence of lavender, hot baths, chamomile tea, meditation and prayers, exercise and orgasms nothing worked.

Jess,
You could try Natural Progesterone Cream. Brand name Natural Woman. Got it at GNC. Helped me with allof your stuff and more. :)

how are the pharmaceuticals getting into the drinking water? I assume most people get their water from well deep inside the ground or a reservoir.

Actually Jess, I think organic farming methods would be a huge boon to everyone's health.

Posted by: Hieronymous at March 10, 2008 10:44 AM
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I'm already planning my garden for the spring. Corn, corn and corn! With a few lettuce plants and some tomatoes and the random beans and peas.

Jess,
You could try Natural Progesterone Cream. Brand name Natural Woman. Got it at GNC. Helped me with allof your stuff and more. :)

Posted by: Carla at March 10, 2008 11:15 AM
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Wow that sounds cool, how much is it? What do you do with it?

Oh, and btw, all pregnant and lactating mammals, including humans (and cattle, regardless of whether they're treated with synthetic hormones) excrete estrogen.

http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/menses.asp

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/february/menstruatingpolicy.html

Lol, I thought we could take a little break and have a laugh about some other contagious females : )

Ok I'm going for a run but I'll be back later.

I would suggest we eat at McDonalds every day. A big-mac or quarter-pounder with cheese (and biggie size it). Large fries too. Then have a cigarette afterwards.

Hiero, the news that sythetic estrogen from bc pills is infiltrating waterways is not new news. The WP article today even mentioned it.

Have you tried the ThermaCare Heat Patch for menstrual cramps? I've used those for overnight. They work for 8 hours. They don't involve any drugs, its just a patch that sends heat to the right area.

http://thermacare.com/products-menstrual.jsp

There are probably a lot of natural remedies out there, like others have suggested.

As for skin problems, I have those on occasion, too and I use Biore Facial Cloths.

Yes, I've seen that in the articles. But I'll repeat that there are a lot of causes of estrogen in our water, and BC is just one out of many.

If hormones from birth control pills are a significant source of estrogen in the water, and if that is shown to be harmful, I'll accept that as a good reason to advocate for alternative forms of contraception.

What I want to know is whether people are going to crusade against estrogen from other sources such as Hieronymous points out, or if they're only interested in the source that allows women to prevent pregnancy and relieve painful menstrual problems.

I would suggest we eat at McDonalds every day. A big-mac or quarter-pounder with cheese (and biggie size it). Large fries too. Then have a cigarette afterwards.

Posted by: jasper at March 10, 2008 11:29 AM

ROFL! I just saw this. I think that maybe some of those mood altering pharmaceuticals in our water have gotten to Jasper, 'cause he's a lot funnier recently.

Now I want fries, darn it.

I think the moral of the story here isn't "don't take birth control pills," but rather, don't flush them down the toilet! The same goes for every other medication. I have seen articles periodically making this point for years.

Our lesson for today: if any of you anti moms out there catch your daughters taking the pill against your wishes and simply must discard them and leave her at greater risk of pregnancy (because as you all are so fond of pointing out, condoms can break), don't flush them, but instead chuck them in the trash. Make sure you bury them deeply so she can't dig them out.

Jess, please read What Your Dr. May Not Tell You About Premenopause by Dr. John Lee.
http://johnleemd.com

The cream costs around 30 bucks but lasts me 5-6 months.

Jen, 11:47a, said: "What I want to know is whether people are going to crusade against estrogen from other sources such as Hieronymous points out, or if they're only interested in the source that allows women to prevent pregnancy and relieve painful menstrual problems."

Jen, first, bcs mask "menstrual problems," providing a false sense of security.

An honest feminist would express alarm at long-term female steroid use with red health flags everywhere.

Pro-lifers are concerned about the health and safety of women.

Pro-lifers have added concerns about hormonal contraception. As yet, the true mode of action is not known. Hard to believe. But proponents are deliberately misinforming women that 1 action might be to disallow a 1-week-old embryo from attaching to the uterine wall.

An honest feminist would fight that misinformation campaign as well.

Aren't, in fact, modern feminists downplaying the problems with hormonal contraception?

"Aren't, in fact, modern feminists downplaying the problems with hormonal contraception?"

....no...the doctor should give his patient all the information she needs.

We all know what this will lead to:

http://6.content.collegehumor.com/d1/ch6/8/0/collegehumor.332cc048cbf92b624d30a01003bde5f0.jpg

This was an interesting post. I encourage all of you with sons to read Leonard Sax's "Boys Adrift". He sites a number of studies about the dangers of estrogen in boys. He writes about the increase in malformed male genitalia in newborns, a huge increase in recent years; the average young man today has a sperm count just about half what his grandfather had; and his testosterone level is lower as well. The book was very interesting.

Also, doctors don't know everything. They can't possibly, there is just too much to know. The best way to get the best medical care in to be informed.

Our contaminated waterways and much air pollution is caused by irresponsible and often illegal corporate farming practices. Animal factories dumb millions of gallons into open pits and then spray the manure full of pesticides, antibiotics, bacteria, viruses and hormones over fields. This stuff seeps into ground water as well as running off into waterways.
It is extremely probable that pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities dispose of their wastes in equally irresponsible fashion. Of course they don't pay for mega expensive water filtration systems to provide communities with drinking water. We do. Who do we get to thank?

Jill says:

Pro-lifers are concerned about the health and safety of women.

If you were at all concerned with the health and safety of women, you would not advocate for a return to illegal, clandestine abortion.

Pro-lifers have added concerns about hormonal contraception. As yet, the true mode of action is not known.

Bull. Birth control pills trick the body in to thinking it is pregnant. The steady stream of estrogen stops the ovaries from releasing eggs.

Hard to believe. But proponents are deliberately misinforming women that 1 action might be to disallow a 1-week-old embryo from attaching to the uterine wall.

There can be no embryo if no egg is released. It makes no sense to worry about the poor nonexistent embryos when the pill stops eggs from being released in the first place.

Aren't, in fact, modern feminists downplaying the problems with hormonal contraception?

Posted by: Jill Stanek at March 10, 2008 12:51 PM
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Quite the opposite. We can thank feminists for lower dosage safer hormonal bc. You can also thank feminists for humanizing child birth. Feminists actually work to make the lives of women better. You spend all of your time attempting to do the opposite.

UGH! I am so pi$$ed off right now.

Eliot Spitzer, Democratic governor of New York, scourge of the insurance industry and once-upon-a-time fighter of corruption, has admitted to involvement in a prostitution ring.

I am seriously mad at the world right now.

Pro-lifers are concerned about the health and safety of women.

Most are, yeah. Which I know, because I am one.

Any drug can have some dangers and can be used inappropriately. What should happen with hormonal birth control is the same thing that should happen for all other medications -- it should be tested thoroughly (on willing and well-informed subjects, which has not always been the case!), the risks and benefits should be well-documented, and then patients, should be able to decide whether the risks outweigh the benefits for them -- in consultation with their doctors and within reason, of course. If there's a cost to society (drugs getting into the water and affecting others), that should be weighed as well.

I don't think hormonal birth control should be singled out in this process, that's all.

As yet, the true mode of action is not known. Hard to believe.

I don't know, I don't think it's so hard to believe. Scientists didn't know how aspirin worked until, what, the 70s?

But proponents are deliberately misinforming women that 1 action might be to disallow a 1-week-old embryo from attaching to the uterine wall.

I think what you're saying is that proponents of hormonal contraception deny that it might (in theory) prevent implantation. In my experience, they don't deny that, although they do play word games to try to downplay the significance of preventing implantation.

As you allude to, nobody has demonstrated that the pill prevents implantation. There are good reasons to believe that it doesn't (see this report by a group of pro-life OB-GYNs).

to reality: Most of the time, no egg is released when a woman is on the pill. However, what is known as "breakthrough" ovulation can happen. In those cases, some people believe that the uterus would be hostile to implantation if the egg were fertilized, because the uterine lining is usually thinned in women who are on the pill. Others argue that the lining would not be inhospitable during those few cycles when ovulation occurs, because ovulation itself triggers a release of hormones that signal the uterine lining to start building up. In other words, if ovulation does occur, the uterine lining should be normal. As far as I'm aware, nobody's ever studied that particular question.

Hieronymous: !!!

::goes to check news sources::

A steady stream of estrogen is good for a woman's body then?

Argh. What I meant to say was that pro-choice proponents tend to downplay the significance of prevention of implantation.

Not all proponents of contraception are pro-choice, *obviously*.

A steady stream of estrogen is good for a woman's body then?

Posted by: Carla at March 10, 2008 2:06 PM
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Obviously any amount of estrogen can be dangerous. Estrogen should be outlawed. Apparently being a woman causes the death of women.

I actually wrote about this for my biology class last semester..but it was about how these hormones were affecting the fish. It's a wig-out if you ask me.

Apparently being a woman causes the death of women.

From the moment we're born, we're dying...

Oh and another one I like,

Only two things are certain in life: death and taxes.

Jen R, here's the link to the NYT Spitzer article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?em&ex=1205294400&en=d0917c3b73427b6a&ei=5087

He's apparently "Client 9".

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

A steady stream of synthetic estrogen is good for a woman's body then?

Google estrogen dominance

@Elizabeth: Conception is a carcinogen. :-p

As soon as those cells start dividing, mutations are likely to occur with each consecutive division due to malfunctions in the replication process.

Snap!

I knewwww it Ari-Chan.

Better enjoy it while we got it!

H2O probably kills more people then birth control pills...
wa wa waaa : (

@Elizabeth: "It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fiiiiiiiiiine!"

:D

Lol. I looooove that song!!

@Jess: You are correct, that substance is VERY dangerous and ought to be banned!

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

As for the chemicals found in the water, I'd be more concerned about the antibiotics than the birth control pills.

We already have serious drug-resistance problems in hospitals that are now becoming community-acquired in addition to being nosocomial. Antibiotics in the water-supply can only increase the drug resistance problems making common illnesses even *more* difficult to treat.

Antibiotics in the water-supply can only increase the drug resistance problems making common illnesses even *more* difficult to treat.

eep...this is how the human population will get rid of itself eventually I think. All the sanitization and antibiotics won't save us from the mutated forms that are much more severe. That's how the cookie crumbles I guess.

@Elizabeth: I still hold we'll blow ourselves up with nukes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE

Ari-"by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches"
Yes racist people do love their water. I say we ban it. Teach them a lesson.

I say we ban it. Teach them a lesson.

Lol...I could think of some wayyyy better ways to teach them a lesson.

I have a question. Like many others, I use on birth control pills, anti-biotics, and anti-depressamts, what's is the best way to dispose of them?

Geez, my grammer was horrible in that last post, too much going on in the background (watching tv & hubby's cooking dinner).

I have a question. Like many others, I use birth control pills, anti-biotics, and anti-depressamts, what is the best way to dispose of them or how would they be disposed of in a medical setting?

@Rachel: What I've always heard is that you take it to the doctor's office on your next visit and they take care of it.

I imagine they're incinerated, but I could be wrong.

Oops! Sorry Rachael, I misspelled your name above.

MALE FISH WITH EGGS?

http://generationsforlife.org/2007/0511/male-fish-with-eggs/#respond

FISH INGESTING HORMONAL CONTRACEPTIVES CAUSE BREAST CANCER

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/05/fish_ingesting.html#comments

Listen Online to Karen Malec Discuss the Relationship Between Contraception/Abortion to Breast Cancer. It's a 55 minute talk. Go to post #4 and #6...

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=78841

Mike

What should be as big a story as these trace amounts of drugs found in municipal water systems, is the millions being paid to VP Cheney's old company, KBR, to provide our troops in Iraq with clean drinking water, when in fact they are providing contaminated water that is getting our soldiers sick.

Can anyone think of a way to return the "estrogen" from your drinking water after you drink it back to your local Planned Parenthood?

I can!

Just kidding.

Mike

You do realize that these medications were found in the water in parts-per-trillion, and that you'd have to drink literally millions of litres of water to suck down a single dose?

Fetus Fascist,

I don't think the Male Fish With Eggs nor the Fish With Breast Cancer drank millions of litres of water. Think again.

Remember we are talking about secondary effects of bc in our water. If secondary effects are doing this to our fish, just think what primary effects of bc are doing to people.

I think those who are Pro-Abortion better re-think their position on the relationship between Abortion/Contraception and Breast Cancer.

Mike

I don't think the Male Fish With Eggs nor the Fish With Breast Cancer drank millions of litres of water. Think again.
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Yeah, fish with BREAST CANCER?

How much do you wanna bet that something else is causing the mutation? Sea horses and 'gators develop gender characteristics before hatching due to temperature, season, and salinity. Light pollution causes freakish results in minnows and grunion. who knows?

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