Gosh, maybe PP needs to do a fund raiser to get themselves a copier! ;) Then again, they're not used to being asked to reproduce proof of anything, so....

Interesting. And the 22 week lie doesn't surprise me at all.

Kel, "reproduce," funny. PP is anti-reproduction, so that explains its aversion to copiers... lol...

the roof..
the roof...
the roof is falling down!

Praise God!!!!

*LOL*....speaking of roofs....maybe they should check the roof for the copier?

That's where they usually hide the evidence of any wrongdoings, right?

"Kel, "reproduce," funny. PP is anti-reproduction, so that explains its aversion to copiers... lol..."

:D
Well, why didn't they just say so? It would have been a simple explanation... ;)

RSD... roof... another good one...

Just like they tossed the Florida baby on the roof. After dousing her with bleach. Psychos. Odd, you never hear anything else about that. I imagine the case is closed.

WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT OF AN ORGAINZATION THAT MURDERS INNOCENT CHILDREN FOR PROFIT AND THEN CALLS IT GOOD? HONESTY? C'MON, THESE ARE HEINOUS PEOPLE.

Because the demand for abortion is increasing, these places can pretty much keep on doing what they want to do. No consequences and cover ups galore.

PP - What dorks!

LOL Kel,

Gosh, maybe PP needs to do a fund raiser to get themselves a copier! ;) Then again, they're not used to being asked to reproduce proof of anything, so....

Looks like "reproduction" of ANY sort is not in their vocabulary...

So where do they go from here?

Planned Parenthood: The twisted way, the pain, the lies, and death.

Jesus Christ. The way, the truth, and the life.

The best direction for Planned Parenthood to go to is the right way of truth and life. Let us pray for them.

Are these the same records that Phill Kline has mishandled, keeping them in garages and dining rooms and letting god-knows-who tamper with them?

http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/603255.html

Who's to say that Phill Kline wasn't the one who produced these allegedly falsified records?

Heather, you wrote: "the demand for abortion is increasing"

Where did you get this idea?

Reality, 9:30p, please. If that were true, PP would have screamed to high hell about it.

Somg, did you provide me with a link that showed that abortion was decreasing? Could you please post one? Sorry if I missed it.

Well, after all, PP is in the business of *preventing* reproduction!

Heather, http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/4000608.pdf

Somg, thank you for the link. I am not done reading it yet, but look under conclusions....it says that there is decreased access to abortion services. Why would that be?

Well first of all, Heather, I disagree with the authors when they say that declining provider-access is a significant reason for the decline in number of abortions. I just can't see a woman with a pregnancy she doesn't want thinking "Well if getting an abortion requires a trip to the nearest city with an abortion doc (in almost all cases that's at most a bus trip or maybe a long drive) then I'm going to grow my pregnancy, suffer labor and delivery, and give birth to a baby I don't want in order to avoid having to take this trip." To me this seems like nutty reasoning. I can't imagine anyone thinking like that seriously. Can you?

However, whether or not the decline in abortion rate is due to greater difficulty of abortion access is a different question from yours, which was why is access to abortion declining. I would say the first cause is the decrease in demand for abortions, which as I said before is mostly due to baby-boomers aging past reproductivity in larger numbers than their children grow into reproductivity, and partly due to better contraception. As demand for abortions declines, so the number of abortion providers declines, so clinics become fewer and further between, which means abortion access declines.

So, you posted a link, but you disagree with the part that doesn't suit you. You can't do that.

Yes I can and I do. And it's not a question of whether or not it suits me.

Somg, you expect RTLfers to be precise. I expect the same of you.

There's nothing imprecise about disagreeing with part of an article.

I'll bet you would make a federal case over it if it were a RTLfer doing the same. Why has abortion access decreased?

You asked me how many cases of sex abuse were reported in LIME 5. I told you that at least 160 women repoted that one abortionist had abused them all. Those were only the women who came forward. I disagree. I believe those numbers are higher.

I just told you why abortion access has decreased. Can't you read? I wrote: "I would say the first cause is the decrease in demand for abortions, which as I said before is mostly due to baby-boomers aging past reproductivity in larger numbers than their children grow into reproductivity, and partly due to better contraception. As demand for abortions declines, so the number of abortion providers declines, so clinics become fewer and further between, which means abortion access declines."

Heather, you wrote: "You asked me how many cases of sex abuse were reported in LIME 5. I told you that at least 160 women repoted that one abortionist had abused them all. Those were only the women who came forward. I disagree. I believe those numbers are higher."

I think you're probably right about that. But that's not disagreeing with the author if he wrote AT LEAST 160 women.

You understand, Heather, I'm not disputing their data, only part of their interpretation of the causes of that data.

Laura, thank you for linking to the refutation of LIME 5.

http://eileen.250x.com/Main/7_R_Eile/Lime5_Debunk.htm

Heather, you should read the whole thing. Money quote: "...in total, Lime 5, lists 262 injuries of which 122 women tragically died. What is to be made of this sad list? A little mathematics puts things in perspective. Over the past twenty-three years that Roe has been in effect, there have been about 35 million abortions. Rounding up Mr. Crutcher's number of cases to 300, we get less than one case in one-hundred-thousand that resulted in injury or death. Suppose we choose to play with numbers like Mr. Crutcher and give [him] the benefit of the doubt, agreeing they were unable, for whatever reason, to document most of the serious sequelae of abortion. Giving him an incredibly generous factor of 10, which would make 3,000 cases of serious injury over 23 years, that figure still represents less than one case in ten-thousand of all the abortions performed -- hardly an indictment of the safety of the procedure. .... If, after sending out scores of operatives researching for over two years, all he could find to indite the practice of legal abortion is contained in this book, then the real conclusion is, Mr. Crutcher has not made a mountain out of a pebble, but a grain of sand."

No. Why would the man lie? I don't trust the abortion industry. They lie about everything, they cover the tracks for sexual predators and pedophiles. Why would I believe a source that Laura has provided? She works in the abortion industry. Why would I ever trust her to provide anything truthful?

Why would I believe a source that Laura has provided? She works in the abortion industry. Why would I ever trust her to provide anything truthful?

Posted by: heather at May 29, 2008 10:01 AM
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WOW!
News to me...

Why are you here?

When someone asks you to leave their site, why don't you just respect it?

Above all, what's your point?

Why are you here?

Posted by: heather at May 29, 2008 10:08 AM
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Well, Heather, sometimes when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...

You understand, Heather, I'm not disputing their data, only part of their interpretation of the causes of that data.

Posted by: SoMG at May 29, 2008 8:34 AM---------------------- No. Just the part you can't answer.

Why are you on Jill's site? What do you have to add? Why are you always trying to be funny? It's so weird.

Heather, you wrote: "Why would the man [Crutcher] lie? "

The link Laura posted does not accuse him of lying. It takes him at his word and points out that even then his case is extremely weak--so weak that it actually demonstrates the safety of abortion.

So, I guess when abortionist Henry Monteglar shoved a Kotex in a woman's mouth during her abortion and told her to "Shut up!"...that was his choice.

Heather: "Why are you here?"

Laura: Well, Heather, sometimes when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...

; )

Hello Doug.

Hey Girl.

Chilly wheather we're having, huh?

Where do you live again, Heather? Here in Alabama it's going to be in the 80's today. :)

Bethany, I'm in Cleveland and Doug is in Youngstown. BRRRRRRRRRR for May!!!

It's been hot and then cold. Memorial day was nice.

aww that's too bad! Maybe it'll warm up soon!

I'm sure it will. As long as the sun is out, it's okay with me.:)

All: FYI, I'm having trouble with my software. I can't even post any new posts. They won't go live. No one is sorrier than me about this. :(