Breaking news: Michelle Obama and "whitey"

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Democrat strategist Bob Beckel, known to underplay problems within his Party but still somewhat of a straight shooter, just mentioned on Fox & Friends he is worried about a rumor he's heard about Michelle Obama - a bomb Republicans are supposed to drop tomorrow.

Beckel wouldn't elaborate but here's the scoop, from Poligazette.com, yesterday...

There's a major buzz in the blogosphere: according to Fox News and other networks and newspapers, there's a major rumor out there that could very well destroy Barack Obama's chances of winning the general election in November (or at least severely hurt his chances). According to this rumor, at least one of the American networks has a tape in its possession on which Michelle Obama, Barack's wife, can be heard making "outrageous, at best" comments about white people during an appearance at Trinity Church, Chicago....

The main question that needs to be answered right now is whether it's true or not. Larry Johnson believes that the rumor is true and adds that "people who have seen the videotape say it's stunning."...

At this moment, it's not more than a rumor... and it should be treated as such. Some may dismiss the news out of hand, but it seems to me that honest bloggers should simply report the rumor, point out that this is exactly what it is (a rumor), and wait for things to happen....

Larry says that his contacts said that their contacts said that the tape includes Michelle in a rant against whitey while sitting on a panel with Louis Farrakhan at Wright's [sic] church.

Note in this June 1 Fox News clip, Democrat strategist Michael Brown does not necessarily deny the tape exists but spins it as Republican smear:

Not so fast. It would be early for Republicans to drop a bomb like this. They would wait until Obama had the nomination sewn up. It would make more sense that the Clinton campaign has the tape - or started the rumor - and could explain why she hasn't dropped.

Johnson, a former CIA operative, was supposed to produce the videotape yesterday but did not. Still Beckel mentioned it today. But it is Day 3 of the rumor, and if a network indeed has the video, wouldn't it have run it by now? National Review Online's Jim Geraghty, yesterday:

But right now I think the evidence suggests this is a hoax, and that we will never see tape of Michelle Obama saying these particular controversial remarks. The timing of this rumor's surfacing is conveniently perfect to scare superdelegates, and the idea that it's in the hands of sinister Republicans explains why fans of Hillary are eager to talk about it but unable to produce it.

Whether or not the rumor is true, note it was a liberal blogger who first put it out there and liberal blogs that have been fueling it. From what I read, particularly if untrue, this rumor is contributing to the breakdown between Clinton and Obama followers. Wrote Booman Tribune, an Obama supporter:

This election has ruined a lot of friendships. I have tried hard not to let it ruin mine. But smears of this type are unforgivable. I have been forebearing. Perhaps, in retrospect, I have been too forebearing. That's all I say. This is too painful to me.

Some may wonder what any of this has to do with our issue. 2 points:

1. I would prefer Obama get the nomination, to bring his Born Alive and other radical abortion votes into the conversation. So I have been tracking the nomination process closely.

2. I've been reporting since December about the growing rift between Obama and Clinton camps, particularly among pro-aborts (here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). Their infighting can only hurt their ability to promote abortion, and rumors such as this will make repairs that much more difficult.


Comments:

I totally hope this ruins Obama. I want McBush to win so we can kill more Muslim babies instead of our own! DUH!

Hitch your star to the wagon that is W. and you are in trouble....

Posted by: PeachPIt at June 3, 2008 7:48 AM


Yes Peachpit, much better to kill American Babies...what was I thinkin'????

Posted by: mk at June 3, 2008 7:55 AM


I don't know if it's true or not but I wouldn't be surprised. Yale or Princeton (I forget where she did her undergrad studies) won't release a paper she wrote until after the election because the information is so damaging. I understand it's pretty much the same garbage that's rumored to be in the speech.

Posted by: Kristen at June 3, 2008 7:59 AM


LOL! I just watched the clip. Michael Brown looks ridiculous! Right, it's ALL the repubs. Come on, if it was Cindy McCain saying it about African-Ams I'd want it released. But the difference is that I want to KNOW who I'm voting for and if a wife holds those beliefs I don't think the husband can be very far off.

Posted by: Kristen at June 3, 2008 8:09 AM


Kristen, 8:09 I agree! I WANT to know who I'm voting for.


Posted by: Bethany at June 3, 2008 8:27 AM



If the tape is out there the Clintons have it, you can bet your mortgage on it.
Like a couple of crocodiles, they're also waiting for the right moment to pounce.

Posted by: Mary at June 3, 2008 9:02 AM


Does anyone really think McCain is Pro Life?

Posted by: PeachPit at June 3, 2008 9:07 AM


"At this moment, it's not more than a rumor... and it should be treated as such."

Yet, Jill keeps the rumor going.

Kristen, Mrs. Obama's college thesis was released. No bombshells there.

(I think most people would be pretty forgiving anyway, i'm sure my college writings would prevent me from ever running for high office)

Posted by: Hal at June 3, 2008 9:21 AM


Another Obama smear. Ho hum.

It takes a normal person maybe 15 seconds to put on a videotape to play, so three days seems a bit excessive. Could it be this is just a hoax?

"his contacts said that their contacts said..." Third degree hearsay is usually very reliable.

If it turns out to be a hoaz, will that news get the same amount of space on this blog?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 3, 2008 9:26 AM


Anon,

Some examples please of how Obama has been "smeared".

Posted by: Mary at June 3, 2008 9:31 AM


A little research has cleared it up:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/2/23839/47569/717/527124

According to Boonman Tribune blog source, Here is what is said in the video

From what I understand, it is a tape of Michelle Obama criticizing the Bush administration.

How you'd write it:

Why did Bush cut folks off medicaid?
Why did Bush let New Orleans drown?
Why did Bush do nothing about Jena?
Why did Bush put us in Iraq for no reason?

How you'd say it:

Why'd he cut folks off medicaid?
Why'd he let New Orleans drown?
Why'd he do nothing about Jena?
Why'd he put us in Iraq for no reason?

How Larry Johnson (Clinton supporter) and GOP wants you to hear it:

Whitie cut folks off medicaid?
Whitie let New Orleans drown?
Whitie do nothing about Jena?
Whitie put us in Iraq for no reason?

Well now we know the kind of opposition we are up against- scumbags period!! They are willing to do anything to win, including lying about Michelle and Barack Obama.

Posted by: Hal at June 3, 2008 9:58 AM


The Obama kool-aid drinkers are so smitten with him that even if it were to be revealed he committed a capital offense it would be derided as a smear or a republican conspiracy. In contrast, if McCain had even a fraction of the number and types of associations with people who have said and done the things Obama's buddies have the media would hound him relentlessly.

Posted by: Jerry at June 3, 2008 9:58 AM


Well we had some pretty racist white presidents. That doesn't justify it but what do you think will happen if she is our first lady? Do you really think it will change anything? And when did she say this, if she said it? Let's just be the nicest people we can be, and prove her wrong if she does believe we're bad people.

Posted by: Jess at June 3, 2008 9:59 AM


In addition, I'm not that offended by the term "whitey." But to be honest, I don't think I've ever heard anyone use that term in real life.

Posted by: Hal at June 3, 2008 10:01 AM


Let's just be the nicest people we can be, and prove her wrong if she does believe we're bad people.


Haha, Jess..you are too funny. Please don't be so naive, though.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 10:04 AM


Why is that funny Elizabeth? Maybe the only white people she ever knew were complete prejudiced jerks who treated her like a second class citizen? If we show her that we're people just like her who are interested in changing the country for the better then maybe she'll change for the better. In the end, we're all just people.

Posted by: Jess at June 3, 2008 10:22 AM


Jess, do you really think that in all of Michelle Obama's life, she has never come across a nice white person?

Posted by: Bethany at June 3, 2008 10:26 AM


Thanks Hal for clearing up this ridiculous smear.

I am sure Jill will act responsibly and delete this "story".

Posted by: Anonymous at June 3, 2008 10:27 AM


Certain utterly unprincipled conservatives will do anything to try to smear Obama with absolutely no regard for fairness and acuracy. He has bbeen labeled as a socialist, baby-killer, friend of tyrants etc. And gullible conservative citizens swallow everything unthinkingly.
As P. T. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute".

Posted by: robert berger at June 3, 2008 10:29 AM


Well Bethany, the sad truth is one bad apple can ruin the barrel. Maybe it's time we get ourselves out of that barrel.

Posted by: Jess at June 3, 2008 10:31 AM


Well Bethany, the sad truth is one bad apple can ruin the barrel. Maybe it's time we get ourselves out of that barrel.

So does that mean that everyone who is prejudiced has an excuse?

Posted by: Bethany at June 3, 2008 10:33 AM


Haha, Hal, you beat me to it bud. I've also only heard "whitey" used when JOKING.

I do agree with Jill though that its much more likely this BS is coming from the Clinton camp than McCain's. She's tried SO many angles to blame everyone except herself for the failure of her run. McCain's camp has absolutely no reason to pull this kind of stunt at this point.

Posted by: Amanda at June 3, 2008 10:34 AM


He has bbeen labeled as a socialist, baby-killer, friend of tyrants etc.

And rightfully so...

Posted by: Bethany at June 3, 2008 10:35 AM


Jess, I've met a lot of black people who were very bad and prejudiced. I've also met a lot of white people who were very bad and prejudiced. I've also met Indians who were very bad and prejudiced.
Perhaps instead of thinking of them in terms of "black" or "white", etc we could just think of them as *people*. And the truth is, some *people* are just bad and prejudiced, and we shouldn't categorize people for their color, based on one bad experience with a *person*.

Posted by: Bethany at June 3, 2008 10:40 AM


"So does that mean that everyone who is prejudiced has an excuse?"

Prejudice and racism isn't something you're born with, it's something that's learned. Whether your parents, teachers, religious leaders taught you, or you've developed a warped sense of justification for stereotyping an entire group of people, it is something learned, and it can be unlearned.

And I said in my previous posts that we're all just people. We all have hearts, minds and emotions and feelings.

Posted by: Jess at June 3, 2008 10:50 AM


Amanda,

I agree this sounds like a Clinton tactic. The Clintons have a long history of trashing and destroying people(no, I don't mean killing!) who have stood in their way. Why should they stop now?
If this was McCain, I think he'd have sense enough to sit on this until October.

Posted by: Mary at June 3, 2008 10:52 AM


Hal, 9:58a, anon, and Amanda: I read that "Why he" vs. "whitey" rumor earlier today but didn't post on it because it appears to be speculation. Per National Review Online, 6-2:

One of the arguments that made me think there was some fire amid the smoke was the statement on Booman Tribune, attempting to explain that "why'd he" was being heard as "whitey." This sort of explanation suggested that someone — perhaps allied with the Obama campaign? Someone in attendance of the event? — wanted to explain what people would be hearing on the tape, which suggested that there was a tape, and that some words that sounded like "why'd he"/"whitey" could be heard. The listing of specifics of the comment — Medicaid/Katrina/Jena/Iraq — also suggested someone had heard the comment, and wanted to put it in context...

But now I find that apparently Booman Tribune was merely paraphrasing another blogger's prediction of what would be on the tape if it ever surfaced:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325

Posted by: Jill Stanek at June 3, 2008 11:10 AM


at this point the story is unsubstantiated. we are not in a position to make an opinion as to whether michelle obama has made racist remarks. this limitation is in addition to whether michelle obama is a racist and also in addition to whether we should be concerned as to whether michelle obama or jeremiah wright are in fact racists, whatever meaning that term now carries. we would do well to ignore the chatter and innuendo and rumor, and make nominating and election determinations of the candidates based upon policy positions of the candidates themselves, not upon the silly and ignorant statements and actions of those around them. all else is distraction and spin.

Posted by: roger at June 3, 2008 11:12 AM


Actually, I prefer to be called a typical white person rather that "whitey". I might question their vision though since I am an olive colored, dark Italian.

Hal, I wouldn't be offended if someone called you "whitey" either.

But then again, if someone were to call me a "punishment from God", now that may offend me! I know Hal, that's who you think I am, but I'll cut you some slack since you're not running for atom bomb button pusher.

Another thing about the Obamanator. For him to be willing to diss his church of 20 years really shows who he is.....a wolf in sheep's clothing. This guy would terminate that punishment from God and/or that "whitey, typical white person" or that crazy racist pastor or that insane Catholic priest who thinks he's a black guy in a heart beat.

And this too. Until I see Father Phleger dance, I won't believe that he's a black guy in a "whitey" body.

If the Republicans have the video, they will wait till Obama secures the nomination until they release it since Hillary could beat McCain.

If Hillary has the video in the back pocket of her pant suit, then she won't release it until the very last second to insure maximum damage to Obama. Why you might ask? So she doesn't have to have Obama as her running mate and can select a lesbian running mate, if you know what I mean.

And c'mon, who needs a video? Does anyone think that Michelle has never called anyone "whitey"? I think the Obama's should be deselected for just thinking such revolting thoughts. Where are the thought police when you need them? Liberals are such hypocrites!

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 11:38 AM


Agreed, HisMan...

Obama has no loyalty...IF PP becomes a liability for his campaign, he'll drop them, too like a hot potato...

Posted by: RSD at June 3, 2008 11:44 AM


RSD, oh that would be saweet.

Posted by: Jill Stanek at June 3, 2008 12:00 PM


Wow...

I've heard there's secret video that confirms John McCain lied about troops in Iraq serving at pre-surge levels, and that he has no clue WHO the Sunnis, Shiia, or AlQuaeda are, and that he knows nothing about economics.

I understand that if you go to a covert site called "You Tube" you can see the secret tapes - but then they have to kill you...

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 12:01 PM


BREAKING NEWS.

I have heard there is a secret videotape of Jill making the keynote address at a PP fundraiser, followed by dancing the tango with George Tiller.

My sources say that their sources have sources who have sources with impeccible credentials that saw the tape somewhere...

What the heck, this BREAKING NEWS is at least as credible as this posting about Michelle Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 3, 2008 12:15 PM


This Hillary thing shows the true face of the Democratic Party.

If the Democrats, who really have been represented by the Clintons for the last 16 years, are so truly non-racist and love black people so much, she would have graciously stepped out of the race a long time ago.

But as this whole fiasco shows, Democrats are only concerned about one thing, power and the means to get it, including duping black people to garner their votes.

I don't have words to express my contempt for people who would do anything for power including holding an entire segment of our population in dependence of the government and supporting an entire movement that kills children.

And I'm not talking about Democrats in gneneral, I'm talking about Democrat power brokers who you believe and follow and who have deceived you for far too long. If what's going on doesn't prove this then I can't think of anything else that would show you the true colors and intent of the Party you support. A Party that is bringing this country to ruination.

Democrats could care less about black people and it's about time black people recognized and admitted this for their own good.

And you know who should really, really, really be ashamed about this? The NAACP, the Al Sharpton's and the Jesse Jackson's of the world. Why? Becasue they know the street and they know who's being taken for a ride. People drunk with the lust for power, willing to sacrifice any one and any thing to it's altar, including children in the womb under the facades of "choice" and "affirmative action", and "political correctness", and "women's rights". It's all so sickening.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 12:16 PM


Who ever you are:

You've got that wrong.

You see, Jill has truth on her side.

And what may I ask is that truth?

Killing babies in the womb is murder and it is an appalling, heinous evil that must be stopped!

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 12:20 PM


If Hillary has the video in the back pocket of her pant suit, then she won't release it until the very last second to insure maximum damage to Obama. Why you might ask? So she doesn't have to have Obama as her running mate and can select a lesbian running mate, if you know what I mean.
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Right Hisman!
The rumored lesbian bomb Hillary plans to drop on America in order to turn us all into lesbians is out there!

In anticipation of Hillary's evil plan, I had my sytlist give me a "chick mullet" and purchased some bolo ties. I look pretty hot...

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 12:22 PM


But it is Day 3 of the rumor, and if a network indeed has the video, wouldn't it have run it by now?
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It's WEEK 3 of the rumor, and Larry Johnson was supposed to release the tape two days ago. (I don't know if the tape exists or not, but the gossip is middleschool-quality at best..)


Hillary Clinton - possible strategy (involves Michelle Obama 'Whitey' Tape)

05/18/2008 6:59:59 PM PDT · by CharlotteVRWC · 41 replies · 6,277+ views
WOT Research - ^ | May 16, 2008 | Old Spook
just saw this on another web site -WOT Research: http://www.rantburg.com:81 #12 I’ve been hearing this one from political people I had contact with when I was trying to help with the THompson campaign out west. Been hearing it for a month. Goes like this: 1) Hillary has it. 2) Hillary knows that no matter what, the idiots who have bought into Messiah Obama will blame her and abandond her if she “steals” the nomination from ObamaChrist. 3) Hillary also knows that the next 4 years are going to be rough - we cannot relaly disengate form Iraq, and oil supplies...


Amanda Carpenter - (Rumor there is videotape of Michelle Obama in Wright-type rant)

05/16/2008 12:39:53 PM PDT · by jrooney · 219 replies · 10,284+ views
Fox News | 05-16-08 | Amanda Carpenter

Just reported on Fox News - Amanda Carpenter of Townhall - "rumor going around there are videotapes coming out of Michelle Obam saying Wright type speech"



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Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 12:32 PM


No, I don't think all lefties are as ignorant as robert beckel - most, perhaps.

Posted by: Gerry at June 3, 2008 1:04 PM


Birds of a feather flock together. It's not like we've been lying about these associations with racists and terrorists...this is all common knowledge. It's not our fault he felt the need to identify himself with these undesirables in order to gain street cred with his crazed far left constituency.

Posted by: xalisae at June 3, 2008 1:18 PM


Something to think about:

Guess which presidential candidate Al-Quaida wants to win in the next election?

Posted by: RSD at June 3, 2008 1:55 PM


Hal said, Kristen, Mrs. Obama's college thesis was released. No bombshells there.
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Hal, where did you read the thesis? I would like to read it too.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 2:15 PM


Michelle Obama's thesis at Politico:

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=42FC5818-3048-5C12-005E33B3C0F4E64B

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 2:32 PM


Last I checked Obama got 90% of the black vote not just in West Vorginia but nationwide.... hmmm... ignorance or just flat out racism.... or maybe a lot more follow the thinking of Jeremiah wright then Obama would have you believe.


Obama said " I could no more disown Jeremiah Wright then I could disown the black race." Then Wright comes out and slams Obama as a "absent" church member who rarely went to church on Sunday. Obama comes back with the excuse that faith is a lot more then going to church on Sunday but doing the Lord's work on a dily basis and then he disowns Wright. So, according to his words he has disowned the entire black race and some 90% of them still keep voting for him. Look at this video while knowing that as a race the black people NATIONWIDE are voting twice as racist as the white people in West Virginia.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 2:37 PM


thx for the link to the synopsis Laura, but I was hoping to find the whole thesis somewhere

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 2:42 PM


Did you read the first paragraph?

The entire 96-page thesis is offered in 4 parts.

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 2:48 PM


Can you say "white guilt" Jess? I mean come on - you want to show what white folks can really be like to black folks?

Posted by: marcia at June 3, 2008 2:57 PM


Hal,

I know, seriously, who says "whitey"? The only time I've ever heard that term used was by white people parodying what they think black people think of them.

Posted by: Jen R at June 3, 2008 3:01 PM


Jess,

Really..don't be so naive as to think that if you would just be nice to people who are racist that they wouldn't be racist anymore.

When white people are racist against black people, we don't say "Oh well maybe they just never met any nice black people, so that's why they hate black people, and if we could just introduce them to some nice black people, that would make things okay." You know what we call them? RACISTS, because that's what they are. Some people just have hatred in their hearts born out of ignorance, fear, and stupidity. NOW, WHY is it that when a black person is racist against white people, we say, "Well, maybe they just never met any GOOD white people." WHY is it automatically white people's fault? I'm sorry, I just don't get this...

And I've had much worse said to me BY black people than "whitey." I could care if somebody called me whitey, that would probaby be NICE in comparison to some of the things I've gone through with some black people. But do I have any hatred or mean feelings towards black people? NO. Do I think the people who have done and said obnoxious and hurtful things to me represent ALL black people? NO! Because I'm not ignorant, and anybody who applies one experience to A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE is ignorant.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 3:06 PM


Before they started dating I heard Michelle told one her girlfriends that Barack was a
"delicious salt and pepper cracker"?

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 4:45 PM


now she calls him
"my delicious baked salt and pepper cracker"
cause he can't quit smoking

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 5:36 PM


now she calls him
"my delicious baked salt and pepper cracker"
cause he can't quit smoking

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 5:36 PM
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Gee, I can't find that quote anywhere.

(When truthseeker mentioned Obama's smoking, did anyone else picture Jan Brady and the infamous "I Saw Peter and He Was Smoking" episode?)

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 6:30 PM


My mistake Laura, it wasn't Michelle who said that, it was the Obama girl

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 7:03 PM


Laura:

Janet Reno was a lesbian and so is AZ Governor, Janet Napolitano, both one time Clinton appointees. And have you ever seen a room full of Hillary's base of support? It's like going to a WNBA game.

I have it on good authority via my connection with the Secret Service that Hillary, well, doesn't sleep with Bill or do any other thing with Bill. Can you blame her? In fact, my particular connection was terminated when he found Hillary with another woman. Guess it it, was is, is it wasn't sex because there was no penetration. Besides, she looks like a dike and she doesn't wear skirts or dresses because her figure is well, very dikey/butchy, with very thick legs. Not feminine at all.

I bet that haircut looks good on you.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 7:21 PM


"I have it on good authority via my connection with the Secret Service"

"Besides, she looks like a dike and she doesn't wear skirts or dresses because her figure is well, very dikey/butchy, with very thick legs. Not feminine at all."

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 7:21 PM
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You are ADORABLE!

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 7:25 PM


"I have it on good authority via my connection with the Secret Service"

"my particular connection was terminated when he found Hillary with another woman."

HisMan
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Does anyone else hear the theme from "Get Smart?"

"Top Secret" maybe...

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 7:30 PM


You get it Laura, you get it.

Look, I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually feel sorry for Hillary.

I mean look at what she's been through.

A slug for a husband and now she's dissed by a black guy.

No wonder thre are so many angry white woman out there.

I think we should be a on a "Hillary goes postal watch".

That poor woman, I do feel sorry for her, but, maybe she's got the tape after all, the magic destruction tape........only the shadow knows for sure or maybe her hairdresser.

There would be riots in the streets if that tape were exposed after the Obamanator's clinching of the nomination and the subsequent fall of the Democratic Party.

I can see it all now, the smoke-filled back rooms deciding whether or not Hillary should release the "Magic Bullet Vidoe". Should the Dems risk destroying Obama at the expense of losing the black vote but gaining the angry white female and dike vote? More news at 5.......

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 7:42 PM


I don't see the HOPE in a first lady that holds fund-raisers for partial-birth abortions. In fact I see the demise of the US.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 7:43 PM


"Why you might ask? So she doesn't have to have Obama as her running mate and can select a lesbian running mate, if you know what I mean."

Oh HisMan- you make me want to throw up.

And you can't even spell "dyke" right. Good lord.

Seriously- go die. Please.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 8:02 PM


It's Good Lord Rae.

Hillary must be your babe, sorry, she's in the can. 30 million in debt, married to Bill Clinton and gotten even Al Sharpton mad at her. Kind of stupid for the smartest woman in the world, don't you think?

Sorry, I never take orders from women. Especially typcial white angry women. Any chance you're from New York, Manhattan to be exact. Don't tell me, Maria Christian's your aunt or maybe, no, don't tell me, it's you?

And you commenting on my spelleng reminsd me of the frustarteed and aangry wheite nuns I used to piss off in grasde swchool. It's a pathologyos; when a womasn get's frusstrated she crriticiszes your speslling or screams bloody murder.

Don't you have any sense of humor at all?

And you want me to die. And we all thought you were a pro-lifer.

Feeling fangy or postal lately? If so, cold showers work for me.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 8:32 PM


@HisMan: No, I don't support Hillary Clinton- but I think it's a pretty low blow and dishonest to call her a "lesbian" because you don't like her.

I have no idea who "Maria Christian" is.

It's obvious the nuns never taught you to respect women, because you clearly don't.

I do have a sense of humor, but I have no patience for disrespectful old fools much like yourself.

Perhaps I was a little strong when I said "Go die"- instead I should have said: May a diseased yak have its young in your shoe.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 8:37 PM


Perhaps I was a little strong when I said "Go die"- instead I should have said: May a diseased yak have its young in your shoe.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 8:37 PM
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Be careful Rae!
HisMan has Secret Service connections...
If the men in black show up, FIRE THROUGH THE DOOR!

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 8:41 PM


@Laura: Lol. Yes- I am so scared. I have my cricket bat a la "Shaun of the Dead" all revved and ready to go next to my door.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 8:49 PM


Rae,
How could you wish that upon a yak? HisMan's shoes. Nobody deserves that.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 8:50 PM


Rae:

May you lose the elasticity in your shorts.

May the breath of a thousand camels invade your bedroom.

May the stains in your couch be permanent.

May your Super-glue stuck fingers never be separated.

May the drugstore be closed when you've eaten too many bananas.

May you eat Preapartion H suppositories in your sleep.

May Bill Clinton show up at your front door.

May Obama lose the election.

May President John McCain appoint two, maybe three pro-life Supreme Court Justices.

May Roe v. Wade be overturned.

May prayer and God be returned to our public schools.

May the Constitution be amended to define marriage as that between a man and a woman.

May the 501c3 tax muzzle of churches be overturned.

May Muslim terrorists be utterly defeated.

May men become men again.

And may I never want to abort a yak even though it threatens to be born in my shoe. My I ever be pro-Yak.

Laura, that's nasty talking for an anti-gun Liberal like yourself. So now you're pro-gun, as long as it results in the death of a real man? Another typical angry female whitey. How do you live with yourself?

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 9:03 PM


Laura, that's nasty talking for an anti-gun Liberal like yourself. So now you're pro-gun, as long as it results in the death of a real man? Another typical angry female whitey. How do you live with yourself?

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 9:03 PM
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Funny, I've been an NRA member since I was 11, have held two jobs where firearms were a requisite, and my boyfriend is a retired ATF agent.

Are you wrong about EVERYTHING?

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 9:14 PM


Let's take this one at a time...

"May you lose the elasticity in your shorts."
I don't wear elastic shorts- denim shorts only.

"May the breath of a thousand camels invade your bedroom."
Believe you me, my breath in the morning is 1000x worse than a camel's.

"May the stains in your couch be permanent."
Not my problem, I'm Craigslisting the piece of crap.

"May your Super-glue stuck fingers never be separated."
As long as it's in the Live Long and Prosper position.

"May the drugstore be closed when you've eaten too many bananas."
Ha! In your dreams- I don't eat bananas.

"May you eat Preapartion H suppositories in your sleep."
May you eat too much sugar-free gum as you try to get rid of an oral fixation of sorts.

"May Bill Clinton show up at your front door."
He will kindly have a boot shoved up his azz as I kick him off my stoop.

"May Obama lose the election."
Couldn't care less- I only support Dr. Stephen T. Colbert.

"May President John McCain appoint two, maybe three pro-life Supreme Court Justices."
Goody-goody gumdrops- if the Dems are still in control of the House and Senate those justices won't be approved, sadly.

"May Roe v. Wade be overturned."
I don't see how that's supposed to upset me?

"May prayer and God be returned to our public schools."
Sure- as long as I don't have to participate in it.

"May the Constitution be amended to define marriage as that between a man and a woman."
May the Constitution be amended to abolish the bullsh*t economic institution that is marriage and leave it only to the churches and let everybody just get civil unions. That way your precious, precious "ceremony" can be religious only.

"May the 501c3 tax muzzle of churches be overturned."
Sure. Free speech for all.

"May Muslim terrorists be utterly defeated."
I can agree with that as long as you're only targeting the Muslim fundamentalist terrorists. I could say the same for every other fundamentalist religious "cult" out there of every denomination.

"May men become men again."
Meh. Couldn't care less as long as the man doesn't treat me like sh*t and actually respects my opinions.

"And may I never want to abort a yak even though it threatens to be born in my shoe. My I ever be pro-Yak."
Goody gumdrops for you too. I like Yaks. But I like Johnny Carson more, so you obviously didn't get why I said what I said.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 9:16 PM


Rae:

Your good and in the YAKkity YAK of Robert DiNiro, "you're good, real, real good" and funny too.

C'mon, I saw you crack that smile.

I've got to admit, I'm absolutely stupid when it comes to Yaks. But I'm still pro-yak.

Actually, I really don't like to kill anything.

Of course I only mean, crazy, stone worshipping, fundamentalist Muslims. (I've got Muslim realtives that I would let live, for the moment, as long as they give me money and feed me saffron rice).

And Johhny Carson was a Republican.

And if someone treats you like poopy, just let me know. I'll get my cousin Vinny after the bums.

Who in the heck in this Colbert guy? Is he like the Fungi Party Nominee or I'm Smokin' My Inheritance Party Big Dude or what?

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 9:30 PM


Wow, umm, mod's? I think you should get to this thread...now.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 9:33 PM


Rae,

I think my brain just exploded all over the floor..Could you come help me pick it up?

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 9:44 PM


PC Polizia! PC Polizia! PC Polizia! PC Polizia!

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 9:51 PM


@HisMan: I did giggle a little bit at some of the remarks. Particularly the superglue one. :-p Which I honestly wouldn't mind if I did end up in the "Live Long and Prosper" position. :-p

I don't care what Johnny Carson's political position was- he was still *the* funniest late-night comedian evar.

You know what's good? Basmati rice. And curry. Indian curry. Yum.

Here is Stephen Colbert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 9:53 PM


@Elizabeth: I'm sorry to hear that...we can always find you a new one if we need to! There are plenty of Americans who are obviously not using their perfectly good brains.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 9:56 PM


You mean like HisMan?

Ick, no thanks...maybe I can just put mine back together.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 9:57 PM


@Elizabeth: Good point.

*gets out needle and thread*

Shall I start the repairs?

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 10:03 PM


Yeah, you better start now while it's still early. :/

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 10:07 PM


Rae, HisMan,

You guys are too funny. Ever think of taking it on the road?
:)

Posted by: Janet at June 3, 2008 10:18 PM


So many female comments, so little time.

1. Tandoori chicken - good.
2. Curry chicken - good.
3. Super glue - good.
4. Live long and prosper - good.
5. Nanu Nanu - good too!
5. Johhny Carson - was good but dead.
6. Basmati rice - this is berry, berry good.
7. Stephen Colbert - good, sorry about my brain fart, I watch the dude when I can't sleep and then for sure can't sleep. Yes we do need another idiot in the White House.
8. Elizabeth brain repair - bad.
9. Elizabeth brain transplant - good.
10. Elizabeth tattle-tale control freak attitude - bad.
11. Elizabeth needs enema - good.
12. Elizabeth needs to laugh - good.
13. Hisman is an arze sometimes - definitely, but funny (must be the medication or the suppositories).
14. Needles - bad.
15. Surgical glue - good.
16. Michele Obama - bad.
17. Obama Obama - worse.
18. President Obama - real bad.
19. First Lady Obama - get the vaseline out.

Drum Roll...............
20. McCain's wife hairdo's - bad.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 10:19 PM


Janet:

I know I can be a sarcastic SOB, however, if a woman can abort a child, I as a man, can do a sarcastic core dump. In the new woman's world, can't I have at least have that vestige of bodily autonomy and control? I mean, can I get pregnant and then "CHOOSE" to kill my baby? No! And I feel cheated and deprived of that privilege.

Oh, I know, they will know we are Christians by maintaining our phony love facades. We never laugh, never get angry, never insult, never tie one in a knot, never tell jokes, and if we ever never, well we are just not. Yes, Jesus just died for only the perfect ones, like Elizabeth.

Woe is me.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 10:30 PM


@Janet: The Heinous Liberal and Obnoxious Conservative?

Could be an interesting combination.

@HisMan: I refuse to accept that Johnny Carson is dead. He, like Elvis will live forever.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 10:31 PM


HisMan,

Is the crack you're smoking REALLY that good?

I guess if by perfect, you mean, I don't call people dykes or say they have "dyke bodies" well then sure, I'm perfect. Seriously, how do even have a frame of reference for that? What does a dyke body look like EXACTLY?

Really, I laugh all the time, AT you because you just spew derogatory comments like that girl in The Exorcist with her pea soup.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 10:35 PM


Oh, I know, they will know we are Christians by maintaining our phony love facades. We never laugh, never get angry, never insult, never tie one in a knot, never tell jokes, and if we ever never, well we are just not. Yes, Jesus just died for only the perfect ones, like Elizabeth.

Woe is me.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 10:30 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I hate ranting, angry drunks.

I once had to distract a friend's wasted, a-hole husband for TWO HOURS so he wouldn't wander out and ruin his kid's 7th birthday party.

Posted by: Laura at June 3, 2008 10:36 PM


Janet:

The Odd Couple or The Twilight Zone.

I can see it now....she kill's me, I come back to life, she kill's me, I come back to life, she kill's me, I come back to life, she kill's me, I come back to life...kind of like the Democratic Primary.

Yes, you are right about Carson and Elvis as long as there are rewind buttons, DVD and CD players and TIVO, we'll always be hearing heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Johhny and I ain't nothin' but a blood hound, laughin' all the time.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 10:38 PM


@Laura: You should have just put his fingers in a Chinese fingertrap...that would have kept him busy for awhile.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 10:49 PM


Rae, 10:49 p.m.

hehehehe.

We should get one for HisMan..that way he would be unable to type..unless he learned how using only his pinky fingers.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 10:52 PM


@Elizabeth: I think this isn't the real HisMan- it sort of sounds like the imposter HisMan. But what do I know?

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 10:56 PM


Hmmm...I did forget that there was/is an imposter HisMan..we shall see.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 11:02 PM


Elizabeth:

I don't need YOU to be Ms. Politically Correct to me tonight. If you think you can control me, forget it.

I've put up with Hillary Clinton's, pro-abort, rabid liberal BS, for almost 18 years and I've decided to have a party. A Hillary that has ruined my country and my home state of NY and put my upstate relatives in a mess. Now this is a stompin', snortin' dump on Hillary party. Is that OK with you? You're not invited.

Rae and I are trying to have some serious humor going despite her hatred towards me and you come in and torch it.

There's insults being thrown in both directions and I'm trying to have some yuks as some very serious things have happened to me today.

I guess it's OK for Rae to tell me to go die and you not say anything about that? What's that say about you Ms. Prim and Proper pro-lifer?

And then I try to make some laughs about the death threat and then you come in and gang up on me. And your comments are not insulting? Who do you think you are? I can see those hate-filled fangs showing through now.

What has a drunken man done to you that you have so much hatred for men that they always have to treat you or talk to you in a certain way or walk on egg-shells with you? You'd fall apart in my house with that thin skin of yours. Why don't you go see a therapist for that conditon called unforgiveness and that very large root of bitterness in your heart and replace it with some humor? You'd be much happier.

And Elizabeth, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I treat my wife like the queen that she is. I live for my kids, I'd die for my family. Don't you ever insult me again with your tripe, or accuse me of being a drunk. That's more than crossing the line.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 11:14 PM


Oh, I know, they will know we are Christians by maintaining our phony love facades. We never laugh, never get angry, never insult, never tie one in a knot, never tell jokes, and if we ever never, well we are just not. Yes, Jesus just died for only the perfect ones, like Elizabeth.

Woe is me.
Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 10:30 PM

Definitely not HisMan. NO question about it.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 11:16 PM


Phony HisMan. You could never come close to half the eloquence of the real HisMan.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 11:19 PM


Rae and Elizabeth. I am pretty good at playing detective and calling phonies out on the blog. This guy is NOT HisMan. And I would have no trouble proving it if he was game on trying to dialogue. My guess is he won't respond to me at all.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 11:31 PM


I got him on the handle on the other blogline. Let's see :)

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 11:36 PM


Ok, Ts. Let me know..I got a response for his comment he wrote me, but I won't post it if it's not the REAL HisMan.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 11:41 PM


@HisMan: I don't really hate you. Just reeeeeeeeeally dislike you. Hate is bad. Disliking- not so much. :)

Though I will say that I'm sorry for saying, "Go die"- I shouldn't have let my temper get the better of me.

The yak statement stands.

Posted by: Rae at June 3, 2008 11:44 PM


Rae,
He was a phony and his charade is over.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 3, 2008 11:53 PM


TS,

How do you know?

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 3, 2008 11:55 PM


Well Rae:

May the fleas of ten thousand camels be at your beck and call tonight and forever. And may a Yak appear at your door ridden by Eduardo.

You don't have to like me, I understand what a grating guy I can be.

Truthseeker, it's the real HisMan. I'm really having abd sarcastic day today, cut me some slack will ya. Report me to the Ooh Ahh PC police will you or just the church lady will do.

And the comment about Jesus was sarcastic since Elizabeth is so ready to point fingers at everyone, especially me, and I'm sick of the phoniness. Jesus would be too. He died for everybody.

Posted by: HisMan at June 3, 2008 11:56 PM


Lol how am I phony HisMan?

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 4, 2008 12:00 AM


Elizabeth,
It only tokk a couple of posts back and forth and he was called out as HisPhony and left the blog.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 12:00 AM


TS,

Well he's still claiming to be the real one on this thread so I dunno.

Ehh, I guess I just won't post my response to HisMan's rant. I will be the mature one cause it was pretty mean.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 4, 2008 12:01 AM


I don't need YOU to be Ms. Politically Correct to me tonight. If you think you can control me, forget it.

Politically Correct? Really? You mean not making rude comments about homosexuals? Okay. Go ahead and be a bigot HisMan..like I care. Me trying to control you? Yeah, right.

Now this is a stompin', snortin' dump on Hillary party. Is that OK with you? You're not invited.

News flash: Public forum..I can chime in whenever I feel like it.

Rae and I are trying to have some serious humor going despite her hatred towards me and you come in and torch it.

I don't think Rae finds your lack of respect humorous..but hey, whatever floats your boat buddy.


And then I try to make some laughs about the death threat and then you come in and gang up on me.

Lil' ol' me? Gang up on a big, tough man like you? Don't you even think such a thought. I would never try to stomp on your precious manhood cause I know you would be lost without it.

And your comments are not insulting? Who do you think you are? I can see those hate-filled fangs showing through now.

Ehh, I never said my comments weren't insulting. I really don't care if a homophobe like you finds me insulting. Maybe you shouldn't dish it out so much if you can't take it.

What has a drunken man done to you that you have so much hatred for men that they always have to treat you or talk to you in a certain way or walk on egg-shells with you? You'd fall apart in my house with that thin skin of yours. Why don't you go see a therapist for that conditon called unforgiveness and that very large root of bitterness in your heart and replace it with some humor? You'd be much happier.

I'm plenty happy because I'm strong enough in myself that I don't have to put up with crap that men like you spew out. I live in a house with incredibly respectful, although at times, lazy men who would NEVER disrespect people on a level that you do. There's only 1 person in my whole life who I've never forgiven and probably never will, but as for everybody else, I have no problem with them. I don't need to be bitter when I look at my beautiful little girl who gives me more love than I know what to do with.

And Elizabeth, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I treat my wife like the queen that she is. I live for my kids, I'd die for my family. Don't you ever insult me again with your tripe, or accuse me of being a drunk. That's more than crossing the line.

ehh..I didn't accuse of being a drunk, Laura did. I asked you if the crack you were currently smoking was good. hehe.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 4, 2008 12:09 AM


Elizabeth,
When did he post last? I just chased him away at 11:52. I asked him a couple questions about previous posts HisMan had made and called him out about some things he said about Jesus and he took off.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 12:12 AM


TS,

11:56 p.m. was his last comment.

I posted my response..but mod's are more than welcome to delete it and any of phony HisMan's posts if they want. If it wasn't really HisMan, then I don't care, but if it was, then oh well. Thanks for playing detective. :)

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 4, 2008 12:19 AM


HisPhony, why are you running away if it's really you? Prove it is you, tell me why you had a problem with the bloody doll the other day.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 12:20 AM


Elizabeth, one way people can disguise themselves online is by using sarcasm as much as that phony is using it. All it takes is to make them get real in a conversation by asking them personal questions about previous conversations and they can't answer so they run away.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 12:23 AM


Good point. Ahh well, like I said..mod's can delete any of my insulting posts towards HisMan/phony HisMan if they like...in fact..if it is phony HisMan, I will email them and ask them to delete the posts.

Posted by: Elizabeth at June 4, 2008 12:28 AM


You can send that e-mail Elizabeth. Every one of those HisPhony posts was somebody who has a chip on their shoulder for HisMan.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 12:41 AM


Elizabeth, FYI
I also see somebody posting once in a while as TS. I never use that as my moniker when I post but they may be doing it just to try and cause confusion because people on this blog always call me TS.

Why nobody would want to try to imitate me anyway? They imposter would have to be honest, compassionate and, almost never sarcastic; how much fun could they have imitating that? :))

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 12:51 AM


Should have read:
Nobody would want to try to imitate me anyway. The imposter would have to be honest, compassionate and, almost never sarcastic. How how much fun could they have imitating that? :))

Posted by: ts at June 4, 2008 12:54 AM


We even boast of our afflictions, knowing that affliction produces endurance, and endurance, proven character, and proven character, hope, and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured into our hearts through the holy Spirit that has been given us.
Romans 5:3-5

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 4:38 AM


At this moment, it's not more than a rumor... and it should be treated as such.
Yea... as in, we should not continue to perpetuate such a rumor without any evidence of its veracity.
I read that "Why he" vs. "whitey" rumor earlier today but didn't post on it because it appears to be speculation.
What?!?! So you can post ridiculous speculation about an alleged video, but you can't post speculation of the context of the video? Nice standards.

Jill, I am seriously amazed, and seriously disappointed, that you would perpetuate such a rumor. How does this align with your Biblical principles? How does maligning one's character with completely unsubstantiated rumors fit with your Christianity?

Posted by: dave at June 4, 2008 9:10 AM


Dave,
Didn't she say herself a couple months ago that for the first time in her life she was proud to be an American? And her thesis on racial relations in America shows resentment too. It may be unsubstantiated but there is no reason to doubt it is true. All she or Barack have to do Dave is produce the video of her speech from the Rainbow push meeting she spoke at and all this would go away. Does that sound fair?

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 11:15 AM


truthseeker... no, you are wrong.

Just because Michelle Obama has made comments that you don't like previously does not mean that Jill, or anyone else, should be spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

I expect better that that from her, even though I disagree with her.

Posted by: dave at June 4, 2008 12:32 PM


Wow. HisMan, who supposedly has respect for women, releases a whole slew of insults toward lesbians and how women dress. Yeah, I'm sure he treats his wife like a queen, while telling her how fat she looks in a dress and how her hair looks like a dyke bird nest. 'Cause that's how you treat women you respect.

Remind me again that pro-lifers actually care about women?

Posted by: Edyt at June 4, 2008 3:03 PM


Dave,
No argument. Discretion is the better part of valor when spreading rumors. And it really makes no sense to me why somebody wouldn't have distributed a copy of the tape from that night by now.

Posted by: truthseeker at June 4, 2008 10:47 PM


Good jab Edyt:

Or couldn't you see the arrows flying in both directions?

Should I expect a pro-abort to be fair?

Posted by: HisMan at June 4, 2008 10:48 PM


http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Johnny_Carson.php

From the above site,
Carson seems to have been either Dem or Independent, not Republican.

Don't speak ill of the dead.

Posted by: phylosopher at June 4, 2008 11:10 PM


Unless "no tape" of "no event" exists.

Posted by: phylosopher at June 4, 2008 11:11 PM


Fair, HisMan?

Look, I don't care how you feel about a political candidate, but when you stoop to the level of insulting their looks rather than their political views or statements, then you're engaging in the very acts you claim not to do.

And the thing is, this election Clinton has gotten more criticism for her looks and voice than her policies than any other candidate. That's a pretty big implication that people don't have respect for women in general. You're no different.

Posted by: Edyt at June 4, 2008 11:32 PM


Fair, Edyt?

Killing a baby in the womb is fair?

Posted by: HisMan at June 5, 2008 1:21 AM


Oh please. This has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with you being a jerk to women. If you want to say hateful things about Hillary Clinton about how she supports BC and abortions, go ahead. But don't sink to the level of insulting her looks, her voice, or her child. That's shameful, and anyone who actually has respect for women will not engage in those acts.

Posted by: Edyt at June 5, 2008 5:11 PM


Here we go again.........so what if she called white people whitey....that is what they are.....just like black people are called blackies......get a life.......this does not compare with what white people have done to my ancestors....stole us from African, chained, and forced us to build this country.......dumped millions of my ancestors bodies in the Atlantic ocean, raped my foremother.....beat, killed, castrated and lynched my forefathers....now you tell me which is worse........I love Farrakhan and always will......now...how do you like that....

Posted by: Hoodsista at June 6, 2008 4:02 PM


I don't care if the tape exists or not. Michelle Obama is clearly a racist. She is the one who was most enthusiastic about that Trinity Church. She's the one obsessed with race and getting even with whitey. God help us all if this man even comes close to being elected.

Posted by: Durwin at June 7, 2008 12:01 PM