"The dropped provision was modeled after legislation (S 2347) introduced by Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) in November 2007"

Think Cecile will ignore that little tidbit?

Well, I guess now we'll see what their priority is. And maybe they'll get their free-sex partners to kick in a little to support the habit. Or would that make them feel too much like prostitutes?
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Probably not.
When I was 20, my two closest friends were young women with whom I shared classes. They were also MARRIED, and between school, work and home, they were just scraping by financially.

What were YOUR priorities when you were 20?

Laura, I was thinking about responding to your post.. but I'm not sure what the point is.

Laura, I deleted your last post, and with that you're banned permanently.

Thanks Jill, for banning a propagandist for the killing of human beings. The news articles at your site, are well written and gives a different pov of the news. The same with your news articles at World News Daily.

Alex,

Ever since Jill shared her past mistakes on the blog, Laura has taken every opportunity to rub it in Jill's face.

Jill has put her on time out, repeatedly given warnings to cool it, but Laura persists in bringing up old laundry. I've even asked Laura to tone it down, but it only lasts a short time before she's at it again.

It was overdue.

Still working on how the liberals think that other Americans (including those who struggle to pay their own medical expenses) should subsidize the birth control demands of people who can afford college tuition.

Preferential drug pricing does exactly that..... spreads the cost around to all those who buy products manufactured by pharmaceutical companies.

Recreational sex activities have become branded as medical emergencies by our media and our liberal friends. Birth control drugs now are regarded as more significantly necessary than anti cancer drugs, pain relief, drugs for auto immune diseases, etcetera. There have been countless news stories and legislation about the availability of birth control and little to no attention given to the fact that one must order other needed meds from specialty pharmacies, or call many pharmacies to locate them. And that is IF one's insurance plan covers the meds, or one can afford the exhorbitant cost.

Leaving NYC yesterday, there was a guy trotting down I-87, hoping for some monetary contributions with a big smile on his face and a cardboard sign which read, "Why lie? I need a cold beer!"

Laura, I deleted your last post, and with that you're banned permanently.

Posted by: Jill Stanek at June 26, 2008 10:14 AM

Thank you Jill. Whatever she wrote it's better left in cyber-hell with Laura.

If it's about choice - let women who want BC pay for their BC. Maybe they should get their "partners" to share the cost.

Now, shouldn't these College "kids" be focusing more on their studies and graduating rather than anything else?

Still working on how the liberals think that other Americans (including those who struggle to pay their own medical expenses) should subsidize the birth control demands of people who can afford college tuition.

Posted by: KB at June 26, 2008 11:15 AM

I couldn't agree more!

I bet whatever Laura said wasn't even that bad. I think that most of you forget that this is just the internet, and take it all too seriously. Obviously, Jill doesn't offer different points of view because she deleted Laura's post. Which probably just had some facts Jill didn't like.

KB, most people can't afford college tuition, hence mounds of student loans.

I bet whatever Laura said wasn't even that bad. I think that most of you forget that this is just the internet, and take it all too seriously. Obviously, Jill doesn't offer different points of view because she deleted Laura's post. Which probably just had some facts Jill didn't like.

Posted by: Jess at June 26, 2008 1:46 PM

If you are going to repeatedly be nasty - and lets face it Jess, Laura is almost ALWAYS nasty- go elsewhere to vent. I almost never read her posts anyway.

If you almost never read her posts Patricia then how do you know she is almost always nasty? I read almost all her posts and she is almost always sweet, smart and funny.

I agree with Jess, Laura's posts didn't seem over any line to me.

Now, yllas on the other hand.....

Well Hal,

If I get under your skin, you have to remember my name is yllas. Sally looking in the mirror at herself, and for every anti-Catholic post she puts here, I post the mirror image of her post. The exact opposite.

The only thing I posted to you was some questions concerning your "pedophilia post". You like child sex and defended such acts of children having sex with other children.

Which was followed up with a question of your abilty to control your carnal desires on a tropical island with only your hand and a person of the same sex offering you satisfaction. In that exchange you refused sex with the "same sex", and was concluded that you are homophobic.

Outside of being a person who likes children having sex, and being a homophobe, what do you offer this board but being a person that murders his future for health,wealth, or just the fact that you can murder your off spring?

"murders his future for health"

Well, how bright do you think your future will be if you're a sick invalid or dead?

In that exchange you refused sex with the "same sex", and was concluded that you are homophobic.

That's not entirely true, I only asked if he was cute.

as to the question of what I offer this board, I'm not sure. Each will have to decide for themselves. or perhaps Jill will ban me. But in the meantime, I offer a perspective and experience not common here. I thought it might bridge the gap some to exchange ideas and opinions on this very emotional topic. Some readers didn't realize that married people had abortions, that people who have and/or wanted children had abortions, that abortions don't always happen in sleezy clinics, and that pro-choice Ameiricans are decent hardworking citizens like the rest of you.

We just don't want the government to regulate such a private decision.

BTW, Dr. Phil is discussing the pregnant teen tread right now, and he mentioned Juno, if anyone is interested.

"I bet whatever Laura said wasn't even that bad."

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it, Jess?

Yes carder, ignorance is bliss. Jealous much : )

BTW, carder, do you know what she said?

Jess: I use to read her posts but usually don't. They are often vulgar and really contribute in no way to the discussion.
I've also read enough of them to complain to Jill or ask Laura what her point was?
She delighted in attacking me personally, so I'm very happy to see her gone.
Laura is obviously a very disturbed person and a very angry woman.

Some readers didn't realize that married people had abortions, that people who have and/or wanted children had abortions, that abortions don't always happen in sleezy clinics, and that pro-choice Ameiricans are decent hardworking citizens like the rest of you.

We just don't want the government to regulate such a private decision.

Posted by: Hal at June 26, 2008 3:53 PM

I think many Americans (and Canadians) know that people of all walks of life have abortions, including married ones.
Maybe the single ones we can get our heads around, but the marrieds who kill their own children are truly an enigma. IMO, you have yet to offer sufficient reasons as to why a married mother and father would choose to kill their own child.

Patricia, not enough money, they just don't want children, they already have as many children as they wanted, their relationship isn't stable enough, lots of reasons.

Patricia, not enough money, they just don't want children, they already have as many children as they wanted, their relationship isn't stable enough, lots of reasons.

Posted by: Jess at June 26, 2008 5:44 PM

These are not reasons to kill your own children Jess. There ARE other options, they just didn't consider them or blew them off as unacceptable. Maybe like most people today, they just wanted an easy way out. It's called rationalization and selfishness.

"It's called rationalization and selfishness."

Isn't that the same as having a bunch of kids you can't afford and just expecting the rest of society to foot the bill.

And these probably won't be helping anyone in their old age. If they go on welfare they aren't contributing to social security, people who work are the ones paying for social security for themselves and those who don't work (stay at home Mom's anyone?).

Child free people are paying for your kids to go to public school, you to get your food stamps, ect... They're making the greatest contribution to society financially.

Did I leave Doug speechless?

Jess, I'm just a bit out of breath. This evening I ran about a third as far as you sometimes run.

O'course, if we multiply by my age, and divide by yours, then I basically ran as far as you.

Doug, could you put that in equation form please? I never liked word problems. (Jess is 20 years old now, by the way) :)

Down with word problems! Down with applied math!

Janet, yes, Jess is now in her third decade.

Hmm... let's see - that means she was born in 1988.

So, 1980's, 1990's, 2000's... Heck in three years she'll be in her FOURTH decade ahahhaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Janet, (my distance) x (my age) / (Jess's tender and innocent age) = almost her distance.

If we take that quantity and

x (my weight) / (Jess's weight) then it's like I ran two marathons.

Not bad for like 4.5 miles =P

Bobby, what kind of math are you working on now?

Doug, I think she meant 0-9 years old, 10-19 years old and now 20 years old so I've been alive three decades =O

4.5 miles good job Doug! It's been awhile since I ran 9 : )

Jess, you sure as heck are aging well.... You don't look 30.

You look like a good 20.

In fact, I'd say you have the body of a 19 year old.

As for me, born in 1959, so,

1950's
1960's
1970's
1980's
1990's
2000's

Stick a fork in me; I'm done.

Doug, you're still younger then my parents!

Janet, now that Bobby is a family man, he's more concerned with finances.

I asked him what do you get when you cross fifty female pigs and fifty male deer?

He said: A hundred sows and bucks.

Doug, you're still younger then my parents!

Holy Crow... what a coincidence, Jess, I'm younger than mine too!

"Holy Crow... what a coincidence, Jess, I'm younger than mine too!"

Wow then I bet you're also younger then your grandparents!

Doug, Bobby, and anyone else who likes math and humor:

http://www.gomilpitas.com/humor/160.htm

Yeah - one survives, a grandmother who will be 97 in November.

But I can definitely beat her in a race.

"By cutting down beautiful forest trees, the logger makes $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the forest birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down the trees? There are no wrong answers."

Awesome > )

Glad you liked the link, Jess! :-)

I wish Laura were her, she would have liked the link too : (

Child free people are paying for your kids to go to public school, you to get your food stamps, ect... They're making the greatest contribution to society financially.

Posted by: Jess at June 26, 2008 8:43 PM

Jess, Some of the biggest families choose home schooling.

Laura wouldn't have answered my post to her even if I out it up a hundred more times.....

Many responsible women choose abortion rather than pitch a less-than-"desireable" child into that nightmare system...
Posted by: Laura at June 1, 2008 1:07 AM
Laura, that is so sad. They feel so helpless that they actually decide to kill their baby's before they are even born, "in order to protect them from society". These mother's need emotional counseling to help them understand that even "difficult" life is precious. We all go through difficult times in life and it "IS" acting irresponsibly to presume future difficultys as being a valid reason for killing her baby. Women often kill their newborns after birth for that same type of reasoning. Do you consider them to be responsible also?

I won't miss her cause she didn't know how to have meaningful conversation, jshe was just out to get her jollies at the expense of others sensitivities. Hasta la vista

She wouldn't respond to that above post even though I had posted it to her multiple times.
It is a shining example of a pro-abort explaining the rationale of why killing the baby before she gets a chance to be born is a "good" thing to do. The clever pro-aborts like Hal, Doug, Jess, and Obama just say "I think it should be the mother's decision" and stay away from trying to argue that these women killing their babies before they can be born is a good thing because life is hard??????? It's a sad, sad thing that pro-aborts carry around ddep inside them and would rather never have to talk about, especially with their children or other close family who might think it was a bad choice. That is why pro-aborts scream profanities at pro-life sidewalk counselors. That is why pro-aborts steal the "Choose Life" signs or "planned parenthood lies to you" signs from in front of my house. Trying to debate that killing babies in the womb is a good thing is like banging your head into a wall or putting your foot in your mouth. It doesn't take long for a pro-abort to dig themselevs a whole to crawl in to.

I don't much care whether the kids have to pay for their bc pills--they should be using condoms anyway.

But the issue will motivate young people against the Republican Party.

Sure Hal.

A man remembers what he wants and disregards the rest to paraphrase some song lyrics.
You denied the "uncute homosexual" the pleasure he would receive from you and chose your hand. Or you denied pleasuring the "uncute" homosexual. By even replying to this post about a quality which must be met by a homosexual for you to allow him to pleasure you, reveals another fact why you chose your hand over the homosexual.

You were given a choice and decided on your hand Hal. But, let's give you another chance to redeem your homophobia and agree that the homosexual was given the quality of "cute", according to your "cute scale". Being trapped on a island with only a cute homosexual(13 years of age) and yourself for months, what would you choose to satisfy the natural needs of Hal? Your hand again, or giving pleasure, to the pleasure starved 14 year old homosexual? Whoops, That should read "taking pleasure from a homosexual".

Or we can give you a break Hal, and make that a 13 year old "innocent" cute heterosexual female. Your hand or a sexually unaware 13 year old heterossexual female?

I'll give you a theory Hal, just a personal theory of mine. The age which a person has sex with another person makes that age, the age to have sex with another person. Barring sex with another, masturbation is also used to create a decision in the mind from which to judge when a person should have sex with another. Which is why you can't cure a pedophile, since the pedophile has internalized a truth of his/her life. That truth is based upon pleasure being the measure of right and wrong. In fact, you, and most males which defends "child sex" bases the right to destroy innocence/molest on the truth that pleasure is good. Why wait? I dare write, that it is a absolute truth to you Hal to decide upon the age which you may pleasure another human being. Just not a homosexual, by you personally.

Quite a simple principle to judge right and wrong upon in life. Of course such people have always existed and always try to make laws to justify their simple principle of life. You being one of them Hal, along with Jasper's quote of the day by Judie Brown, your missing having sex with a homosexual when given a free choice to pleasure a homosexual, you exhibit two of those qualities Judie wrote of.

Hal, Doug, Jess, and Obama just say "I think it should be the mother's decision" and stay away from trying to argue that these women killing their babies before they can be born is a good thing because life is hard?

Truthseeker, it's not up to us (nor to you) to tell a given woman what's too hard for her or not.

If somebody would say, "women should have abortions because "life is hard," then you'd actually have somebody who is pro-abortion rather than pro-choice.

Of course such people have always existed and always try to make laws to justify their simple principle of life.

Hal, why is there a snake slithering around your ankles, trying to bite them? ; )

Gee Dogma Doug.
What's a snake got to do with Hal?
Got something on your mind Dogma Doug, well spit it out?

Child free people are paying for your kids to go to public school, you to get your food stamps, ect... They're making the greatest contribution to society financially.

Posted by: Jess at June 26, 2008 8:43 PM

Yes and my kids will be supporting you in your old age! So what's your point?
BTW in Canada ALL taxpayers support our schools even childless ones.

"Bobby, what kind of math are you working on now?"

Janet, I'm working on an area called homotopy theory, which is a subset of algebraic topology, which is a subset of general topology. It looks like my main focus will be in something called the Lusternik-Schnirelmann category, but I've just started working on a problem, so we'll see if it pans out.

Bobby are you up early cuz of Gianna?

Actually, I slept in till 8:15 cause my mother in law is here, which is not early anymore for me. Normally I'm up at 6:30-7 with the baby. But yeah, usually... I'm in EST, BTW.

Bobby: so am I
well you probably deserved that little extra sleep!

My first baby was my worst. He was up very early around 5:30am and then crashed in the afternoon for 4 hours. I tried to change his sleep patterns to no avail. I sometimes wonder how I survived those years!

When my brother did his MSC in atmospheric physics, he worked on a problem for a year before he and his supervisor determined things just weren't working.

Yes, Jess, I do. It was another reference to Jill's past mistakes as a teenage mom.

She seems to take a distinct pleasure in throwing it in Jill's face.

It was nowhere near sweet, smart, and funny.

It would have been nice to see the post for which Laura was banned. Then we wouldn't have to snipe about whether it was objectionable or not.

As for contraception on campus, I think it's great. Prevent the pregnancy and no one needs the abortion. Anti-abortion advocates should be in favor of funding contraception.

It would have been nice to see the post for which Laura was banned. Then we wouldn't have to snipe about whether it was objectionable or not.

As for contraception on campus, I think it's great. Prevent the pregnancy and no one needs the abortion. Anti-abortion advocates should be in favor of funding contraception.

Posted by: DRF at June 27, 2008 8:06 AM

What difference does it make what Laura said. She's gone - get over it.
And contraception does not lower the abortion rate- if anything it increases the number of abortions as women use abortion as a back-up method of contraception.

What's a snake got to do with Hal?

:: laughing ::

yllas, you're so easy. You.

"Yes and my kids will be supporting you in your old age! So what's your point?
BTW in Canada ALL taxpayers support our schools even childless ones."

No Patricia, they will not be paying for me in my old age. I work, so I am always putting money into social security, so the money I put into social security now will pay for me in my old age. So your children do nothing.

And even the child free or childless people support children, so if anything you owe the childless people a thank you, they're giving your kids an education while getting nothing back (remember what I said about social security!).

And what about all those working mothers that get trained, then get pregnant take time off for doctors visits then maternity leave and time to "bond" with their baby the they take time off for their kids doctors appointments, soccer games, etc... Whose picking up their slack?

"What difference does it make what Laura said. She's gone - get over it."

If Laura didn't say anything wrong then why did she get banned? I vote Patricia get banned, I think she should be taking care of her kids and spending less time on the internet.

Is the One Child Policy making Chinese kids fat?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB5sz576cnM&feature=rec-fresh

"Bobby, what kind of math are you working on now?"

Bobby: 7:28: Janet, I'm working on an area called homotopy theory, which is a subset of algebraic topology, which is a subset of general topology. It looks like my main focus will be in something called the Lusternik-Schnirelmann category, but I've just started working on a problem, so we'll see if it pans out.

Cool! (I googled it, and all I can gather is you are studying donuts or morphing cups or mobius strips????) Good luck on that!! :)

Patricia will never respond to my 9:34 post. Hopefully she took my advice and started taking care of her family first.

Jess, you wrote: "so the money I put into social security now will pay for me in my old age."

Sorry but I don't think it will be enough.

And what about all those working mothers that get trained, then get pregnant take time off for doctors visits then maternity leave and time to "bond" with their baby the they take time off for their kids doctors appointments, soccer games, etc... Whose picking up their slack?
Posted by: Jess at June 27, 2008 9:34 AM

What slack exactly are referring to? Are you saying maternity leave is unfair? Would you support the repeal of the FMLA laws?

Maybe the single ones we can get our heads around, but the marrieds who kill their own children are truly an enigma. IMO, you have yet to offer sufficient reasons as to why a married mother and father would choose to kill their own child.
According to the Guttmacher Institute, 5/6ths of the women who abort are single or widowed; the other 1/6th are married.

Generally, married people abort healthy babies when the wife gets pregnant, rather unexpectedly, as she approaches menopause. Men dislike wearing condoms, and women nearing menopause have difficulty with the Pill. The solution would appear to be to get husbands to wear condoms, rather than to impregnate their wives and then push them into abortions. Seems as if that's a bit more feminist than the alternative.

Of course, you always get exceedingly selfish people like Alison Piepmeier who abort because it beats having Hubby drop out of grad school and get a job.

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As for the topic of the post: I'm sorry, but as a semi-starving recent law school graduate, I have ZERO desire to fund the sexual activities of my peers. Apparently, my reward for my job-holding, abstinent responsibility should be to pay for other people's sexual shenanigans, because, otherwise, college wouldn't be as much fun for them.

If you're poor, get a job. If you have energy left over after the job for sex, but not enough money for the Pill, work more hours.

Theobromophile, I agree that women who can afford to pay for their b/c should do so. But paying for b/c for indigent women prevents us from paying for their childbirth care which would cost a lot more.

If government stopped paying for b/c for indigent women, taxes (or national debt) would go up.

A lot of logical issues with your response.

*Since when are college students "indigent?"
*You assume that hormonal birth control is the only means of preventing pregnancy. Condoms are free or almost free in many places.
*Some of us believe that if you aren't ready to have a child, you should keep your legs shut. While you may not agree with that, you shouldn't assume that sex is some sort of fundamental right that ought to be subsidised by the government. The other solution to this is to build a culture like that which existed in 19th century England (3% illegitimacy rate, IIRC): no one had sex until ready for kids.
*The guy can chip in for the cost of birth control if the girl is unable to pay for it herself.
*Why should the taxpayers pay for their medical care anyway?
*What ever happened to private charity? If colleges find it important that their students have recreational sex and not get pregnant, they can use some of their endowment to subsidise the cost of birth control. Likewise, if you find this an important public goal, then you can donate money to a group that provides low-cost hormonal birth control to these women.
*What about the health effects of hormonal birth control? It may reduce certain cancers, but it increases the risk of breast cancer. Women who use hormonal BC are also less likely to use condoms, and therefore more likely to acquire and spread STDs.

"theobromophile" = awesome name.

Theo, I just want to say that when I was a college student I worked 50+ hours a week at my school paper, school magazine, held internships while going to school full time and living on campus as an RA. The school only paid us for 20 hours of work (and as an RA I had a small subsidy and free housing), despite how much work was REQUIRED of us at the jobs we held.

So I pretty much worked 20 hours a day and barely had enough to eat.

There are many people in the same situation who work and do not get paid for all the work they do, and do not have time to take on additional responsibilities. While I was not incredibly sexually active (see above working hours), I would have appreciated being able to have birth control at reduced costs, along with health insurance, simply because I could not, in any way, afford to take care of my personal health. I don't consider that unreasonable at all.