The APA [American Psychological Association] abortion and mental health task force was charged with conducting a fair review of research regarding the potential mental health consequences of abortion.

Is this possible? Read this post, which quotes from an APA newsletter about what is science and what is ideology. I think this probably signals the tone of the upcoming report (August 18 unless the APA Council of Representatives rejects it).

What the heck?

Did anyone else go to that "down there" website? That was the creepiest thing I've ever seen. Seriously, what in the world are they going for there?

Super creepiness?

Ok, watched more and how in the world can they think this is appropriate for teenagers. I mean, they have a segment where the creepy old man walks up to a (dirty and gross) looking guy who is getting oral sex (they don't show this, just talk about it) and then hey, another guy (who was also "hooking up" with one of the girls in an early segment) stands up, wipes his mouth, and says "what's the big deal?"

The point is to use condoms, but you know, I think that point could have been made without actually having to show it.

"How is it compassionate to hold a woman's hand and tell her that it's okay to kill her child and mislead her into thinking that she's not hurting herself?"

Because it is okay to have an abortion and she's not hurting herself.

Ok, one more thing. The "threesome" video is realy depressing. I mean, are they trying to make sex as unappealing as possible? Maybe they are, I honestly don't know *what* they're trying to say.

The girl doesn't seem to happy about her "selfish" fling, and now she gets to go get tested for an STD...fun stuff!

*PHOOEY*

Because it is okay to have an abortion and she's not hurting herself.

Posted by: Hal at July 30, 2008 5:23 PM

No of course not Hal. Who would know that better than yourself, eh?
She's just ripping her little baby apart. We wouldn't want her to feel bad about that now would we?

the cuddle puddle thing is really nasty

I must have missed the "cuddle puddle" part somehow, but I just *got* what that means.

Eww...

Ok, one more thing. The "threesome" video is realy depressing. I mean, are they trying to make sex as unappealing as possible? Maybe they are, I honestly don't know *what* they're trying to say.

The girl doesn't seem to happy about her "selfish" fling, and now she gets to go get tested for an STD...fun stuff!

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 5:30 PM
......................

Would you have preferred something romance novelish so you could complain about sex being made glamorous?

lauren, the "cuddle puddle" isn't on the "take care down there" site but rather a NY Mag article linked from Dawn Eden's site. It's about a group of kids trying to shock people, basically.

http://nymag.com/news/features/15589/

I'd bet that about 75% of the kids' behavior is attention-seeking. And I think this sentence of the article summed it up best:

With teenagers there is always a fair amount of posturing when it comes to sex, a tendency to exaggerate or trivialize, innocence mixed with swagger.

I generally loathe lifestyle pieces by the mainstream New York media outlets. All the navel-gazing and treating things that apply to (the wealthy) .01% of the population as city- or nation-wide issues. Some kids who are indulged enough to have time to sit around playing guitar and shoving ice cubes down their pants say shocking things to a reporter. Somebody call CNN!

http://nymag.com/news/features/15589/

That's the high school that SoMG went to...*lightbulb*

Would you have preferred something romance novelish so you could complain about sex being made glamorous?

Maybe not romance novelish, but did she have to look like she was going to puke?

Are you actually saying that having sex with someone you loathe is to be applauded???

Actually,

Now that I think about it, the only one that even remotely looked like she was enjoying the idea of sex, was the girl that had a date with herself.

Mr. BJ looked bored out of his mind, fling was gonna vomit, and the whole group walked away when Chester the Molester was giving them the condom spiel.

I've seen kids having more fun mowing the lawn.

Maybe it's abstinence-only education in disguise.

Alexandra, that's what I was thinking too.

I mean, seriously, could they present sex in a more unappealing way?

I think this Mr. Molester guy fits Obama's standards for a Surgeon General.

I mean, seriously, could they present sex in a more unappealing way?

HA! Abstinence returns!

Also, what in the world were they trying to say with the "hot and heavy" add.

The guy comes in to talk about condoms and they run away. So are they *not* going to use condoms now because Chester Molester told them to?

Bizzare!

And Sally, no, I don't want a romance novel, I'm actually shocked at how realistic their portrayal of premarital sex was in that instance. What I don't understand is why they would be showing sex in such a unappealing light, yet acting like it is still something that teens should do.

That's the high school that SoMG went to...*lightbulb*

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 6:58 PM

MK: yeah I did a double take when I saw that!
How sad.

Would you have preferred something romance novelish so you could complain about sex being made glamorous?

Maybe not romance novelish, but did she have to look like she was going to puke?

Are you actually saying that having sex with someone you loathe is to be applauded???

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 7:00 PM
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Loathe? Looked to me like the sex wasn't so great for her. I would think you would be pleased that a teen seeing this might wonder if having sex is worth the bother of running out for testing.

And Sally, no, I don't want a romance novel, I'm actually shocked at how realistic their portrayal of premarital sex was in that instance. What I don't understand is why they would be showing sex in such a unappealing light, yet acting like it is still something that teens should do.

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 7:15 PM
....................................

Exactly where did you get the impression that PP believes that sex is something that teens 'should' do? PL propaganda?
It really upsets the PL when the hysterical rant that PP 'sells sex' and then 'lures' women in for abortions is so blatantly foolish.
Isn't this the cause of your shock?

Sally i've been to severral PP's in several states both for myself and with friends, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that PP "sells sex'.

They had a quiz up for awhile that basically said if you were a virigin it was because you were a brainwashed, oppressed little God freak who needed to cast aside your parents repressive ways.

Planned Parenthood is not at all supportive of abstinance. They (as they did in this video) essentially pat you on the head and say "isn't that quaint..but you are at *least* going to need to masturbate*

They list one of the qulifications of being a good parent as recognizing that your child is a sexual being from infancy.

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say I am shocked because planned parenthood has a wildly anti-abstinance vidwpoint and it shocks me to see sex portrayed in a way that just might keep some people from having it.

What's wrong with masturbation? Masturbation gives you almost all the health benefits of sex without the possibility of getting pregnant or an STD, or any emotional attachments.

Masturbation is basically mild cardio exercise. Actually, you burn more calories and get a better workout square dancing then masturbating or having sex.

Maybe we should bring square dancing back to the schools? We had square dancing when I was in middle school.

Ugh...now I can't masturbate either? That's it. I'm out of here. XD

We had square dancing too, Jess. And country line dancing. And on outside-sport days where it was too rainy to go outdoors, juggling! The least athletic sport of them all!

I'm going to go out on a wild limb and say that masturbation is bad because it's a sexual act that doesn't allow the possibility of procreation.

Maybe the fact that you're focusing on gratifying yourself and thus being selfish, also. Not really sure.

xalisae, join me in a square dance?

Not to bash the Puritans again but they believed dancing was a sin too : (

*square dances with Jess while juggling*

I don't do juggling. Horrible hand-eye coordination. That's why I run. Just run in a straight line. Hopefully.

If anyone watched the "Me and me" masturbation clip do you think it's weird she stayed home and masturbated instead of going out with her friends? I can make my own fun but I'd still rather be with others. Maybe I'm just an extrovert.

We had square dancing too.

As for masturbation, I don't really care about it one way or another, but I think that the porn culture that surrounds it is harmful.

M main issue with pp "promoting" it is that it seems to be a gateway to other sexual acts. PP's slogan generally goes something like this. "You can masturbate...or mutally masturbate...or have "outercourse"...or have foreplay..or...well crap, you might as well just have sex now."

Jess, I watched it and yea I would think it was weird.

Of course, I doubt I would discuss my er..plans for the night...with my friends anyways.

I had a friend in college who was really open about this subject and it always weirded me out a bit.

Lauren I totally think it should be illegal for people to put hamsters up their butts. No I'm serious. There are little to no laws against animals cruelty to rodents and I find the practice is sometimes glamorized on tv (I saw an episode of South Park where it was promoted). That should be considered rape and bestiality and anyone who does it should be put in prison.

Please don't delete this moderators : (

Jess, we had training-level juggling for people like you! You juggled with scarves, which just kind of float, and you had to go through a certain amount of "repetitions" with them before you graduated to the balls.

I never moved past the scarves. They were pretty floating through the air, though.

I agree that any kind of animal/human contact should be illegal.

From the Humane Society:
"Getting the serious attention of prosecutors in cases involving allegations of animal cruelty is an essential step in protecting community safety. The connection between animal cruelty and human violence is well documented. Studies show a correlation between animal cruelty and all manner of other crimes, from narcotics and firearms violations to battery and sexual assault. Strong, carefully considered sentencing that includes incarceration, psychological treatment, and a ban on pet ownership is the most effective available tool for reducing recidivism and interrupting the cycle of criminal behavior."

I'd like to use this as an example of why people who abuse small animals in this way should be viewed as dangerous sexual predators.

I'm trying to promote this in hopes of adding rodents to the list of animals that are protected under animal cruelty laws.

From the Humane Society:
"Getting the serious attention of prosecutors in cases involving allegations of animal cruelty is an essential step in protecting community safety. The connection between animal cruelty and human violence is well documented. Studies show a correlation between animal cruelty and all manner of other crimes, from narcotics and firearms violations to battery and sexual assault. Strong, carefully considered sentencing that includes incarceration, psychological treatment, and a ban on pet ownership is the most effective available tool for reducing recidivism and interrupting the cycle of criminal behavior."

I'd like to use this as an example of why people who abuse small animals in this way should be viewed as dangerous sexual predators.

I'm trying to promote this in hopes of adding rodents to the list of animals that are protected under animal cruelty laws. Please discuss this with your friends, family and coworkers.

Silly Alexandra, scarves are for wearing! No, no, I think I tried that before. They are pretty : )

Jess, do you like rats also? I know a friend who keeps them as pets.

I see them in the subway sometimes and I actually think they're really cute. I guess I'd have a problem if one bit me or climbed into bed with me, but as long as they're just running around down near the tracks I like watching them.

Yes I love rats! I've known several people who have adopted them into their families and they all say they are very sweet, well behaved , clean and intelligent creatures. You'd be surprised at how clean rodents are. Lol, last night I put my hamster in his ball so he could run around the house and he spent twenty minutes just grooming himself so I put him back in his house : )

Haha Jess might have seen that one. Where they had to find the hamster because it was running loose in his colon?

It was Mr. Slave, right?

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July 30, 2008
(Prolifer)ations 7-30-08
by Colleen W.

From the blogs and elsewhere today...

Warren Throckmorton writes:

The APA [American Psychological Association] abortion and mental health task force was charged with conducting a fair review of research regarding the potential mental health consequences of abortion.
Is this possible? Read this post, which quotes from an APA newsletter about what is science and what is ideology. I think this probably signals the tone of the upcoming report (August 18 unless the APA Council of Representatives rejects it).

Dawn Eden comments on American Life League's report on Planned Parenthood's new site, takecaredownthere.org [JLS warning: vile], arguing it is important that people know just how disturbing and graphic this new kid-targeted website is. Dawn says:

But, because TakeCareDownThere is a taxpayer-funded site that targets children, I believe it is important to have an idea of just what Planned Parenthood is promoting. The site's pro-promiscuity agenda is truly degrading to human beings in general and children in particular. It presents the pedophile's dream of an omnisexual kiddie "cuddle puddle" as though such activities were normative teen behavior.

Thom at The American Papist calls attention to "Abortion Clinic Days," a "blog of abortion providers telling their stories."

Sunday's post was particularly troubling; it relates the story of a woman who decided to go through with an abortion because she thought Planned Parenthood's staff was compassionate and kind to her. In response to this woman's story, the abortion worker blogger posts:

So here's our promise to all the anti-abortion folks out there, who think that it's horrifying to try to imagine good care through an abortion decision: We promise to continue to care for the women in your life when they need abortions and we will do it with compassion and dignity. When they can't talk to you, we will make sure that they are safe, respected and loved, through whatever decisions they make.
This blogger is absolutely right that these women need to be treated with love and compassion. No one disagrees with that. But it is not compassionate to use kindness in order to lure women into killing their children. And what about when these women are mourning or regretting these decisions later in life? I don't think any number of warm cookies from PP will be enough to comfort these women then and help them heal. How is it compassionate to hold a woman's hand and tell her that it's okay to kill her child and mislead her into thinking that she's not hurting herself?

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What the heck?

Did anyone else go to that "down there" website? That was the creepiest thing I've ever seen. Seriously, what in the world are they going for there?

Super creepiness?

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 5:15 PM

Ok, watched more and how in the world can they think this is appropriate for teenagers. I mean, they have a segment where the creepy old man walks up to a (dirty and gross) looking guy who is getting oral sex (they don't show this, just talk about it) and then hey, another guy (who was also "hooking up" with one of the girls in an early segment) stands up, wipes his mouth, and says "what's the big deal?"

The point is to use condoms, but you know, I think that point could have been made without actually having to show it.

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 5:22 PM

"How is it compassionate to hold a woman's hand and tell her that it's okay to kill her child and mislead her into thinking that she's not hurting herself?"

Because it is okay to have an abortion and she's not hurting herself.

Posted by: Hal at July 30, 2008 5:23 PM

Ok, one more thing. The "threesome" video is realy depressing. I mean, are they trying to make sex as unappealing as possible? Maybe they are, I honestly don't know *what* they're trying to say.

The girl doesn't seem to happy about her "selfish" fling, and now she gets to go get tested for an STD...fun stuff!

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 5:30 PM

*PHOOEY*

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 5:52 PM

Because it is okay to have an abortion and she's not hurting herself.

Posted by: Hal at July 30, 2008 5:23 PM

No of course not Hal. Who would know that better than yourself, eh?
She's just ripping her little baby apart. We wouldn't want her to feel bad about that now would we?

Posted by: Patricia at July 30, 2008 6:00 PM

the cuddle puddle thing is really nasty

Posted by: Patricia at July 30, 2008 6:07 PM

I must have missed the "cuddle puddle" part somehow, but I just *got* what that means.

Eww...

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 6:24 PM

Ok, one more thing. The "threesome" video is realy depressing. I mean, are they trying to make sex as unappealing as possible? Maybe they are, I honestly don't know *what* they're trying to say.

The girl doesn't seem to happy about her "selfish" fling, and now she gets to go get tested for an STD...fun stuff!

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 5:30 PM
......................

Would you have preferred something romance novelish so you could complain about sex being made glamorous?

Posted by: Sally at July 30, 2008 6:39 PM

lauren, the "cuddle puddle" isn't on the "take care down there" site but rather a NY Mag article linked from Dawn Eden's site. It's about a group of kids trying to shock people, basically.

http://nymag.com/news/features/15589/

I'd bet that about 75% of the kids' behavior is attention-seeking. And I think this sentence of the article summed it up best:

With teenagers there is always a fair amount of posturing when it comes to sex, a tendency to exaggerate or trivialize, innocence mixed with swagger.

I generally loathe lifestyle pieces by the mainstream New York media outlets. All the navel-gazing and treating things that apply to (the wealthy) .01% of the population as city- or nation-wide issues. Some kids who are indulged enough to have time to sit around playing guitar and shoving ice cubes down their pants say shocking things to a reporter. Somebody call CNN!

Posted by: Alexandra at July 30, 2008 6:54 PM

http://nymag.com/news/features/15589/

That's the high school that SoMG went to...*lightbulb*

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 6:58 PM

Would you have preferred something romance novelish so you could complain about sex being made glamorous?

Maybe not romance novelish, but did she have to look like she was going to puke?

Are you actually saying that having sex with someone you loathe is to be applauded???

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 7:00 PM

Actually,

Now that I think about it, the only one that even remotely looked like she was enjoying the idea of sex, was the girl that had a date with herself.

Mr. BJ looked bored out of his mind, fling was gonna vomit, and the whole group walked away when Chester the Molester was giving them the condom spiel.

I've seen kids having more fun mowing the lawn.

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 7:06 PM

Maybe it's abstinence-only education in disguise.

Posted by: Alexandra at July 30, 2008 7:08 PM

Alexandra, that's what I was thinking too.

I mean, seriously, could they present sex in a more unappealing way?

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 7:10 PM

I think this Mr. Molester guy fits Obama's standards for a Surgeon General.

Posted by: Cranky Catholic at July 30, 2008 7:11 PM

I mean, seriously, could they present sex in a more unappealing way?

HA! Abstinence returns!

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 7:13 PM

Also, what in the world were they trying to say with the "hot and heavy" add.

The guy comes in to talk about condoms and they run away. So are they *not* going to use condoms now because Chester Molester told them to?

Bizzare!

And Sally, no, I don't want a romance novel, I'm actually shocked at how realistic their portrayal of premarital sex was in that instance. What I don't understand is why they would be showing sex in such a unappealing light, yet acting like it is still something that teens should do.

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 7:15 PM

That's the high school that SoMG went to...*lightbulb*

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 6:58 PM

MK: yeah I did a double take when I saw that!
How sad.

Posted by: Patricia at July 30, 2008 7:49 PM

Would you have preferred something romance novelish so you could complain about sex being made glamorous?

Maybe not romance novelish, but did she have to look like she was going to puke?

Are you actually saying that having sex with someone you loathe is to be applauded???

Posted by: mk at July 30, 2008 7:00 PM
...........................

Loathe? Looked to me like the sex wasn't so great for her. I would think you would be pleased that a teen seeing this might wonder if having sex is worth the bother of running out for testing.

Posted by: Sally at July 30, 2008 8:04 PM

And Sally, no, I don't want a romance novel, I'm actually shocked at how realistic their portrayal of premarital sex was in that instance. What I don't understand is why they would be showing sex in such a unappealing light, yet acting like it is still something that teens should do.

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 7:15 PM
....................................

Exactly where did you get the impression that PP believes that sex is something that teens 'should' do? PL propaganda?
It really upsets the PL when the hysterical rant that PP 'sells sex' and then 'lures' women in for abortions is so blatantly foolish.
Isn't this the cause of your shock?

Posted by: Sally at July 30, 2008 8:18 PM

Sally i've been to severral PP's in several states both for myself and with friends, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that PP "sells sex'.

They had a quiz up for awhile that basically said if you were a virigin it was because you were a brainwashed, oppressed little God freak who needed to cast aside your parents repressive ways.

Planned Parenthood is not at all supportive of abstinance. They (as they did in this video) essentially pat you on the head and say "isn't that quaint..but you are at *least* going to need to masturbate*

They list one of the qulifications of being a good parent as recognizing that your child is a sexual being from infancy.

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say I am shocked because planned parenthood has a wildly anti-abstinance vidwpoint and it shocks me to see sex portrayed in a way that just might keep some people from having it.

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 8:29 PM

......................................

PP presented factal information. There was no head patting beyond your imagination. There were no judgements made either and that is really your issue isn't it? You aren't interested in just the facts ma'am. You want your opinions about sex and sexuality to be included. Am I wrong?

Oh PIP there must have been two. The one I was referring to was the one where Mr. Garrison wanted to sue the school for discrimination so he had to find something that they would discriminate against. He brought Mr. Slave in as a teacher aid and that's when he violated the hamster. What they failed to show was the poor hamster dying a horrifically painful death.

He also put Paris Hilton up there in one episode. I'm not going to make a fuss over that though.

Sally what planned parenthood presents is hardly "just the facts."

They're a business, of course they're trying to sell you something.

"I guess the way to tell the good research from the bad is not the quality of peer-reviewed work but the ideology of the researcher. What I get from Clay’s article is this: When an APA-approved policy position is supported, it is science; otherwise, it is ideology."

This quote is from the link, and yes, I agree with it. The APA has been "out there" for a while now, and this sort of thing exists in practically EVERY branch of scientific study. If you agree with them, it's science. If not, you're just a religious nutjob and they will try to personally discredit you.

Now, on to other things: I have to say that the PP dude looked like a porn star (clothed, that is).

There, I said it. :D

Alexandra: It was Mr. Slave, right?

Ha! Love it...

Sally what planned parenthood presents is hardly "just the facts."

Posted by: lauren at July 30, 2008 10:13 PM
...........................

Really? What non facts do they present?

With all the money PP has, you'd think they could at least have had a higher costume/makeup budget for the video on that website. The guy with the bad rug and the fake moustache is just so so BAD, it's laughable.

What a bunch of dorks. Oregon, again.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppcw/

btw Jess, I do feel bad setting mouse traps but the health of the humans who reside in my residence comes WAY before the health of the mice. But your comment about people letting them crawl around is likely not as popular as you believe, although PP says it is o.k. as long as it feels good, right?

And there's more fun from PP:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppcw/sexy-tuesdays.htm

The mission of Sexy Tuesdays is to build a new generation of supporters and advocates for Planned Parenthood Columbia Willamette (PPCW) and to raise awareness of and financial support for the agency and the services it provides to the community.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppcw/events-calendar-3350.htm

September 7, 2008 - Margaret Sanger Society Celebration
PPCW�s annual Margaret Sanger Society Celebration is an opportunity for us to thank our commited supporters.

� 5:30 - 8:30 p.m.
� Hotel deLuxe in Portland
� Guest speaker: Judy Norsigian, executive director and a founder of the Boston Women�s Health Book Collective
� Questions? Contact development@ppcw.org.

http://abortionclinicdays.blogs.com/

- what a great place for like-minded abortionists to gather for friendly banter after a long day. :(

okay, that BJ one was just... uhhhg

in general, the videos make some good and truthful points, but its just presented, um, oddly. Someone in charge made some bad decisions, clearly.

okay, that BJ one was just... uhhhg

in general, the videos make some good and truthful points, but its just presented, um, oddly. Someone in charge made some bad decisions, clearly.

Posted by: Amanda at July 31, 2008 12:29 AM

What else would you expect from the group that gave us teenwire.com?

For a group that promotes sex education with no euphemisms, it's kind of funny that PP entitles their latest web site "Take Care Down There". Hee Hee!

Yes Alex, I think that's the one!

"For a group that promotes sex education with no euphemisms, it's kind of funny that PP entitles their latest web site "Take Care Down There". Hee Hee!"

Oh, but Janet, there's more to it than that! They even have the "Down There" song, which is chock-full of euphemisms.

For a group that promotes sex education with no euphemisms, it's kind of funny that PP entitles their latest web site "Take Care Down There". Hee Hee!

Posted by: Janet at July 31, 2008 12:52 AM

......................................

What is your preferred euphamism Janet? Your girded loins? Your lock box? What? What is proper PL speak?

Sally,
It has nothing to do with being pro-life or not. My point is that PP usually uses biologically correct terms instead of euphemisms like "down there".

"What is your preferred euphamism Janet? Your girded loins? Your lock box? What? What is proper PL speak?"

Golly, Sally, we're getting awfully personal tonight, wanting to know about porn and the euphemisms people use for their private parts!

I can't speak for Janet, but I'm pretty sure the point she was making is that PP isn't typically known for using euphemisms to refer to the vagina and penis. Yet, on this website, they're doing so. It's out of the norm for them.

I don't believe pro-lifers' preferred euphemisms really matter here, since pro-lifers didn't put the website or videos together.

Have a great night, Sally. I think I'll go get some rest now, since that SOS pad did a number on my brain (though not enough for your taste, I'm sure). ;)

Haha, Janet! You beat me to it! :)

Goodnight to you, too, Janet.

Sally, I think that one of the points here is that generally PP promotes sexual activity by giving the impression that kids are going to do it anyway and that it is good to do it regardless of the circumstances, yet they present the most bizarre, ugly situations to make their points. But since PP has a distorted view of sex, I am not surprised at their presentation. I'm sure it is not their intent to promote abstinence but maybe this will inadvertently accomplish that!

There's a lesson I've learned from us watching these PP videos...

...the use of really gross terms in our comments become more frequent.

It's as if Planned Parenthood has a way of bringing the worst out of people.

Anon and CC -- you both make good points!

Did anyone else happen to look at the video titled "Take Care." I found this to be the most disturbing thing on the site:

"We were born to be in love with our bodies
ask any three-year old)"

Cranky Catholic 7:04: There's a lesson I've learned from us watching these PP videos...

...the use of really gross terms in our comments become more frequent.

It's as if Planned Parenthood has a way of bringing the worst out of people.

Amen.

Eileen, I think the thing that was most disturbing to me about the videos was that they seemed to normalize the feelings of discomfort and awkwardness. Like discomfort and awkwardness are just a part of sex. When really they're usually signs that you're not ready to be having sex, at least not with the people you're having awkward, uncomfortable sex with.

Anyway, to offset the cuddle puddle story, here's an article about what's going on in a slightly broader demographic than just 10 kids in an elite NYC high school:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/education/31double.html

Reading this article has made me smile all morning. (To avoid confusion, Bedford-Stuyvesant is not the same as Stuyvesant High School.)

(To avoid confusion, Bedford-Stuyvesant is not the same as Stuyvesant High School.)

Didn't realize...thanks.

The Double Dutchers are too sweet! What a refreshing story...kids being...KIDS!

I loved double dutch as a kid! Why don't we do stuff like that as adults anymore?

"Eileen, I think the thing that was most disturbing to me about the videos was that they seemed to normalize the feelings of discomfort and awkwardness. Like discomfort and awkwardness are just a part of sex."

Alexandra -- good point

Hi guys!
Alexandra, Thanks for the link!

Bobby: I loved double dutch as a kid! Why don't we do stuff like that as adults anymore?

One great thing about having children is you can do those things again! :)

"I loved double dutch as a kid! Why don't we do stuff like that as adults anymore?

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at July 31, 2008 9:43 AM"
---------------------------------------------

'Cuz, the joints are now the ones going click, click, click not the ropes....

Doug

Bobby: I loved double dutch as a kid! Why don't we do stuff like that as adults anymore?

One great thing about having children is you can do those things again! :)

Posted by: Janet at July 31, 2008 12:42 PM

And just maybe you get to do some things you never had a chance to do as a kid too!

Someone in charge made some bad decisions, clearly.

Posted by: Amanda at July 31, 2008 12:29 AM

This is their SOP.

Truthseeker I don't know what you're talking about. If you spend enough time taking your anipal to the vet and caring for it, getting it a good home, it won't hurt anyone. I've been living closely with hamsters for year now and no one who has ever been close to them has ever gotten sick.

sex sex sex...don't kids play baseball anymore????

Truthseeker I don't know what you're talking about. If you spend enough time taking your anipal to the vet and caring for it, getting it a good home, it won't hurt anyone. I've been living closely with hamsters for year now and no one who has ever been close to them has ever gotten sick.

Posted by: Jess at July 31, 2008 9:40 PM

Jess,
I am not talking here about hamsters kept in a cage, I am talking about mice. They crawl into the cupboard and eat the cereal and crap all over. That is just not healthy.

Try the bucket trick I gave PIP to find her hamster. Put a ruler or other little "ladder" going up the outside of a bucket. Put food a mouse might like in the bottom of the bucket. The mouse smells the food runs up the "ladder" and jumps into the bucket. The sides are to steep for them to climb out. In the morning you take your bucket full of mice to a field two towns over and let them begin a new life there.

Or give them to me. I can sew them little pants.

Hey Mike I brought up square dancing.

I guess I'm just not cool enough for you guys though : (

TS, you don't even want to hear how hard it was to get wild mice out of our apartment.

Jess, I know chuck is around because he is eating everything around the bowl but not hoppoing inside. Going to put out my humane mousetrap tonight to get him (it cost 20 bucks,finally put to some use)

Got mice? Get a CAT ! Works every time.
They'll even bring you the results of their hunting so you don't have to search for the bodies.

I can't view any videos from the laptop I'm on now, but I strongly suspect that -- despite its cute name -- there's a lot more than cuddling going on in the Cuddle Puddle.

And as an asexual I'd like to thank Planned Barrenhood for turning more people over to my side.

Got mice? Get a CAT ! Works every time.
They'll even bring you the results of their hunting so you don't have to search for the bodies.

Posted by: Mike at August 1, 2008 9:52 AM
My wife is Bif time allergic to cats. She won't even visit a house with cats for more than five minutes.

TS, you don't even want to hear how hard it was to get wild mice out of our apartment.
Posted by: prettyinpink at August 1, 2008 1:44 AM

The only thing that worked for me was poison bait. If there is a better way that actually works I would love to know.

Try the bucket trick I gave PIP to find her hamster. Put a ruler or other little "ladder" going up the outside of a bucket. Put food a mouse might like in the bottom of the bucket. The mouse smells the food runs up the "ladder" and jumps into the bucket. The sides are to steep for them to climb out. In the morning you take your bucket full of mice to a field two towns over and let them begin a new life there.

Or give them to me. I can sew them little pants.

Posted by: Jess at August 1, 2008 12:25 AM

Jess,
It sounds like fun for the kids so next time they come back I'll have them try the bucket trick to catch as many as we can before putting down the DCON :

If you're looking for a humane way to evict mice from your home, go to your hardware store and get the plug-in device that emits a high-pitched signal only rodents (and possibly insects) can't here. It won't affect you or your dog(s) or cat(s).

ts, got a humane mousetrap, those are supposed to work. Our mice evolved to outsmart the snap traps. But, by the time I bought a humane one they mysteriously disappeared. So either way it worked ;P

PIP, you ever try a good old-fashioned shotgun?

Sally, I think that one of the points here is that generally PP promotes sexual activity by giving the impression that kids are going to do it anyway and that it is good to do it regardless of the circumstances, yet they present the most bizarre, ugly situations to make their points. But since PP has a distorted view of sex, I am not surprised at their presentation. I'm sure it is not their intent to promote abstinence but maybe this will inadvertently accomplish that!

Posted by: Eileen at July 31, 2008 6:39 AM
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I fail to see how dealing with reality is somehow promotion of that reality. The real world is bizzare and ugly. Always has been.

Sally,
It has nothing to do with being pro-life or not. My point is that PP usually uses biologically correct terms instead of euphemisms like "down there".

Posted by: Janet at July 31, 2008 2:18 AM
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So which do you have a problem with? Euphemisms or biologically correct terms? You must have been expressing something by commenting.

sex sex sex...don't kids play baseball anymore????

Posted by: Mike at July 31, 2008 10:34 PM

Ha ha! Isn't that the truth! I hear the best way to prevent teen pregnancy and keep kids out of trouble is sports. Keep 'em worn out and busy enough and they won't have time. Parents, take heed!!

Sally 9:40,

Kelly's answer @2:22 to your question for me was correct which is why I didn't answer directly. I thought I'd answered it already anyways.

Maybe it wasn't clear. I said it's "funny" (and "ironic" would have been more accurate) that PP is using a euphemism like "down there" for the name of its new website. Maybe my sense of humor is lost on you. I wasn't commenting on which one was "better" but since you ask..... in a casual setting, I prefer euphemisms, In a serious discussion or classroom setting, the biologically correct terms are preferred.