McCain picks Palin!

UPDATE, 4:10p: According to LifeNews.com, Palin is a member of Feminists for Life.

UPDATE, 1:40p: Americans United for Life has posted several of Palin's pro-life statements.
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McCainPalinButton[1].jpgJohn McCain just hit a grand slam.

With McCain's announcement today that AK Gov. Sarah Palin will be his running mate, Barack Obama's abortion problem just got a whole lot bigger.

The McCain/Palin ticket offers a complete contrast to the Obama/Biden ticket on the pro-life issue.

Palin is a pro-lifer who not only talks the talk but walks the walk. Palin and her husband chose to deliver her fifth child, Trigg, earlier this year even though he was prenatally diagnosed with Down syndrome. Her doctor recommended abortion but Palin and her family refused. Indeed, 90% of babies with Down syndrome are aborted in the U.S. today.

palin and baby.jpgBut Palin told the Anchorage Daily News in April, "We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed."

Meanwhile, Barack Obama, actively opposed legislation as IL state senator to protect little babies with Down syndrome who had survived their abortions but were being shelved in a hospital soiled utility room to die....

In fact, I presented my testimony 3 times before committees then-state Sen. Obama sat, describing my experience of holding a baby with Down syndrome for 45 minutes until he died who was an abortion survivor.

Obama was unmoved and aggressively opposed the IL Born Alive Infants Protect Act.

On the federal level NARAL expressed neutrality on identical legislation, which passed unanimously in the U.S. Senate and overwhelmingly in the U.S. House and was signed into law in 2002.

Obama actively opposed giving babies born alive after induced abortions, including those with Down syndrome, any kind of medical treatment because they might "burden" the mother's "original decision" (April 4, 2002, Illinois State Senate floor debate).

Obama's website brags about the leadership role he took to stop Born Alive:

obama's statement pam sutherland.jpg

Palin's personal stand for the culture of life stands in stark contrast to Obama's political stand for the culture of death.


Comments:

More on Sarah Palin here. You can also see more about her abortion record at http://www.lifenews.com/state3460.html

Posted by: Steven Ertelt at August 29, 2008 1:29 PM


I'm having a hard time believing someone that wants to be in Iraq for 100 more years is creating a culture of life.....

You cannot prevent war and prepare for it at the same time...someone said that..saw it on a bumper sticker. Here is to more wars!

Posted by: PeachPit at August 29, 2008 1:36 PM


Yippeeeeee! This is excellent news!

Posted by: just a nobody at August 29, 2008 1:37 PM


If McCain/Palin play it smart, then this has to be thrust in Obama's face. Watch him stutter then.

Posted by: carder at August 29, 2008 1:44 PM


I'm thrilled with Palin! I had no idea 90% of Down babies are aborted. What a chilling and awful statistic.

Posted by: Luana at August 29, 2008 1:49 PM


Jill, can you direct me to the source of your Down Syndrome abortion statistic?? I knew with genetic testing our disabled babies were much more at risk, but had no idea it was that high!

Couldn't be more impressed with McCain's choice. A fine example of true feminism!

Posted by: Elisabeth P. at August 29, 2008 1:50 PM


PP:

I am going to call you CC and not PP from now on. That's for Chubby Checker of Twist and Shout fame.

McCain never said that he wanted to be in Iraq for 100 years. He did say that if it took 100 years to defeat terrorism he would do that. Big, big difference and a message the terrorists need to hear.

Just how long are you willing to fight for rights of adults to kill their unborn children? Perhaps just 67 more days until the defeat of your messiah?

I know this, if the Lord wills, I'll be in the war fighting terrorists that want to kill unborn children in the womb for the next 1,000 years.

Posted by: HisMan at August 29, 2008 1:51 PM


What a wonderful decision!
Sarah is the anti-Obama.

What an awesome way to take the wind out of Obama's sails!!!!!

Posted by: Sandy at August 29, 2008 1:53 PM


Indeed, McCain hit a Grand Slam! She was my number 1 pick, but I had no idea she was on the short list. Excellent choice!

And Jill, your assessment: Palin's personal stand for the culture of life stands in stark contrast to Obama's political stand for the culture of death." is right on the money!

I am so happy!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Eileen at August 29, 2008 2:04 PM


Hooray for Palin!!!

Posted by: Elisabeth R. at August 29, 2008 2:05 PM


I couldn't be more happy about this!!

Posted by: Bethany at August 29, 2008 2:07 PM


Wow, that Barack Obama sure is a bastion of hope, fighting "special interests!"

Yeah, and he also knows of a guy who can get good Chicago real estate deals. Wait, he really does know that.

I think America's greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we -- we still don't abide by that -- that basic precept in Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.

Barack Obama at Saddleback Church forum, 8/18/2008


No Obamination, thanks.

Posted by: Arlen Williams at August 29, 2008 2:13 PM


Jill,
Just sent my donation to McCain. John McCain hit a walk-off homerun with this one. Thanks Senator McCain.
Teri

Posted by: Teri at August 29, 2008 2:21 PM


I'm happy that John chose Sarah as his running mate, but I have to say I have my doubts about John himself. His record hasn't exactly been incredibly consistent with respect to Life issues. There's some quote circling around that in 1999 he said "I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade," which I haven't seen any source for. And then in 2004 he signed a letter by a bunch of senators encouraging President Bush to loosen restrictions on Human Embryo research! In 2006, the NRLC only gave John McCain a 75% rating with respect to Life issues. Can we trust a president with a C average?

Posted by: Graig H. at August 29, 2008 2:24 PM


PeachPit: I'm having a hard time believing someone that wants to be in Iraq for 100 more years is creating a culture of life.....


And what could anyone have against Iraqis living nice long (safe) lives? I admit that for 100 years they may need some grace and to watch their diets and exercise. Certain supplements help, too.

Posted by: Arlen Williams at August 29, 2008 2:26 PM


PeachPit,

Could you, once and for all, PLEASE show me where John McCain said that he WANTS to be in Iraq for a hundred years? Really, just show me where he said that and I'll vote for Obama!

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2008 2:27 PM


Pro-lifers:

Please go to www.JohnMcCain.com

and make a generous donation.

Posted by: HisMan at August 29, 2008 2:28 PM


Greg H. -- McCain also got low grades in Annapolis, but he got A+ in Vietnam. Tell me if C in the past and A in the present doesn't still come before F, last in class.

Posted by: Arlen Williams at August 29, 2008 2:29 PM


Yeah, and he also knows of a guy who can get good Chicago real estate deals. Wait, he really does know that.,/i.

Yeah and it's all on the South Side...what has he done for the West Side? That's what I want to know!

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2008 2:31 PM


Just one more thing, Jill. Can you find out if she has any single sisters?

Posted by: Arlen Williams at August 29, 2008 2:32 PM


Arlen,

he got an A for Adultery too. Thats not an F in "class"?

Good thing Palin's not as loaded as Cindy, or she might be worried.

Posted by: Amanda at August 29, 2008 2:37 PM


This is an excellent choice -- FOR OBAMA! All summer, McCain's been hammering Obama for his lack of experience. Now he's gone and picked a VP who is even younger and even less experienced than Obama!

At 72 and with a history of cancer, McCain is practically on death's door, and THIS is who he's picked to replace himself? A 44-year-old first-term governor, with zero foreign policy experience, from a state with more reindeer than people? Suddenly Obama/Biden have the experience advantage. McCain just shot himself in the foot.

Posted by: reality at August 29, 2008 2:42 PM


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/29/america/NA-US-Baby-Death-Microwave.php

45 minutes or a month? Hmmm, I can't help but wonder if Obama would support this?! I surely would love to hear him tell us what would be the difference?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 29, 2008 2:42 PM


A. He wasn't holding office at the time.

B. He hardly left a trail of broken bodies behind him. (Like some presidents, mentioning no names Bill Clinton)

C. He married the woman he cheated with (which DOES NOT make it okay that he committed adultery) and did not deny he had "S.E.X" with her.

D. It's irrelevant.

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2008 2:43 PM


Arlen, he got an A for Adultery too. Thats not an F in "class"? Good thing Palin's not as loaded as Cindy, or she might be worried.


I tend to respond to posts which are not inane and crude -- even from people with a first stone in hand or chip on shoulder.

Posted by: Arlen Williams at August 29, 2008 2:46 PM


HOOYAH!!!

There's one thing that a soldier hates the most...and that is War.

Because he knows exacty what happens...BUT if that is the way to Peace and Protection of his family and his country...he will gladly do it and gladly lay down his life for it.

I believe that's what McCain meant on pursuing the terrorists for 100 years.

And what does Obama (having no experience in warfare) wants?
Bring home the troops and bring the war on terror back on American soil.

And hey - just read that Palin is an NRA member and hunts/fishes in her spare time.

A woman after my own heart.

Posted by: RSD at August 29, 2008 2:46 PM


Off topic...

Ya think New Orleans should rethink this whole Southern Decandence weekend???? Yikes, today is the anniversary of the levees breaking and Gustav is headed straight for them.

While I'm not a "GOD IS PUNISHING SINNERS" adherent, you gotta wonder! I keep thinking about Guiliani and the lightening strike!

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2008 2:49 PM


"A. He wasn't holding office at the time."

And that makes it okay because......?

"B. He hardly left a trail of broken bodies behind him. (Like some presidents, mentioning no names Bill Clinton)"

Ironic you use the term "broken bodies". There was only one broken body though - his injured wife who he cheated on and then abandoned for a younger rich woman who was OK with sleeping with a married man. CLASSY ALL AROUND.

"C. He married the woman he cheated with (which DOES NOT make it okay that he committed adultery) and did not deny he had "S.E.X" with her. "

Wait... are you saying that its BETTER that he LEFT HIS INJURED WIFE and married the bimbo he was having sex with? Uhhhh...wow. Okay?!

"D. It's irrelevant."

It's irrelevent that he's a cheating, lying, scumbag? I certainly don't think so. Plus its kinda hard to deny having sex with the woman you divorce your wife for... lol.

Posted by: Amanda at August 29, 2008 2:49 PM


You have to love someone that said this about her son Twig:

“I’m looking at him right now, and I see perfection,” Palin said. “Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?”

She is as beautiful on the inside as she is on the outside.

Posted by: Zee at August 29, 2008 2:55 PM


PP 1:36PM

We've been in Germany 63 years past the end of WW2

We've been in Korea 56 years past the end of the Korean War

All McCain means is we'll likely be doing in Iraq what we're already doing in Germany and Korea, maintaining a very long term presence.

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 2:58 PM


All McCain means is we'll likely be doing in Iraq what we're already doing in Germany and Korea, maintaining a very long term presence.

I agree with that, Mary. I hate sound-bite crap like the "McCain thinks the cut-off for middle class is $5 million" stuff. I hate it no matter which side it's coming from because it's just such an oversimplification of complex issues or concepts.

Posted by: Alexandra at August 29, 2008 3:01 PM


And that makes it okay because......?

Because he wasn't in the world arena. It doesn't make it morally okay (AS I PUT IN CAPS) it just means that the real crime Bill committed was getting taken care of by Monica IN THE OVAL OFFICE WHILE AT WORK and that he LIED about it.

Adultery? Bad.

Adultery in the oval office while holding the highest office in the land and then lying to ME about it??? Hmmmm....I think, more bad.

No. Not classy. Certainly lacks the same class that killing your own children and sleeping with men you aren't married to. None of it's classy.
But again, He wasn't the PResident of the United States at the time.

If he was a womanizer and had left a trail of affairs behind him, still playing and using women while running for office, I'd be outraged too.

If his wife hadn't had an accident, would you be as upset?

And you'll have to show me where I said it was better that he left his wife and married the woman he had sex with. WHat I said, again, was that there is a difference between a man who uses women like they were his playthings over and over and over and lies about it while holding office, and a man that went to war, came home changed, found that his marriage had died, met another woman, fell in love, married her and stayed married to her WITHOUT cheating for 30 some years.

In John and Carols own words...

John in Worth the Fighting For: "Sound marriages can be hard to recover after great time and distance have separated a husband and wife. We are different people when we reunite. But my marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine."
Source: Dan Norwicki and Bill Muller, "Arizona, the early years", AZCentral.com, 03/01/2007.
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Carol: "The breakup of our marriage was not caused by my accident or Vietnam or any of those things. I don't know that it might not have happened if John had never been gone. I attribute it more to John turning forty and wanting to be twenty-five again than I do to anything else."
Source: Source: Robert Timberg, John McCain: An American Odyssey, page 124.

Of course it would have been better to divorce first. He admits he was a jerk and as far as we know has never done anything like this since...

Where you get liar and a scumbag, I don't know. He made a bad decision. He made a mistake. He admits it. Are you saying that you don't forgive people that make mistakes? His wife forgave him. And SHE was the injured party, not you...

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2008 3:03 PM


mary mary mary, my friend, my friend, are we getting bombed in those countries?

my friends, my friends, my friends....

Posted by: PeachPit at August 29, 2008 3:04 PM


Amanda,

Do you have any problem with liberals defending Bill Clinton's sexual abuse and assault of women, either with semantic gymnastics, the trashing of the women who accused him, or by the maintaining of a deafening silence?

Do you have any problem with Clinton maintaining his status in the Democrat party despite this?

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 3:04 PM


Arlen, if there's a wife out there for you, I'm sure she reads this blog. I'll screen the applications. And I highly recommend Arlen as fabulous husband material, having known him many years.

Posted by: Jill Stanek at August 29, 2008 3:06 PM


PeachPit,

Nope. Maybe because we have soldiers there?

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 3:07 PM


Very good question, Mary.

(I had better differentiate myself now that there is another Eileen posting, although it appears that we may share the same views. :)

Posted by: Eileen #2 at August 29, 2008 3:09 PM


PP,PP,PP, my friend, my friend,

No we're not.

However in the early course of the postwar occupation of Germany and Japan, where we also remain, we were loathed and yes, shot at and bombed. Korea has not always welcomed our presence. In Iraq the violence is subsiding and there is talk of troop withdrawal.

my friends, my friends, my friends...

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 3:09 PM


I almost cried when she was up there talking and you saw her kids in the background, and her oldest daughter holding that sweet, sleeping babe. Oh man, how awesome is SHE?

It's a good day to be a woman, and a Republican. :)))))

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at August 29, 2008 3:10 PM


Uhhhhhh Peach, er Pit, Ummmmm we're not uhhhhhhhh getting ummmmm, er, uhhhhh bombed uhhhh BE BE Because uhhhhh we ARE uhhh er uhhhhh there.

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2008 3:10 PM


PeachPit, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and volunteer in Iraq?

Posted by: Eileen #2 at August 29, 2008 3:12 PM


Ya think New Orleans should rethink this whole Southern Decandence weekend???? Yikes, today is the anniversary of the levees breaking and Gustav is headed straight for them.

While I'm not a "GOD IS PUNISHING SINNERS" adherent, you gotta wonder!

You sure sound like one, with a statement like that, mk. I think, however, that you are forgetting that the destruction of New Orleans was the largest MAN MADE disaster ever to strike an American city. 'Twasn't Katrina that killed the Crescent City, but rather the failure of Army Corps of Engineers levies under lower stresses than they were allegedly designed to handle. If I lived in New Orleans right now, rather than reconsidering my lifestyle, I'd be asking, "where is George Bush and all his promises?," as his Corps' schedule doesn't call for completing the rebuild of the levies for another three years.

Posted by: Ray at August 29, 2008 3:12 PM


Cheaters are cheaters - and cheaters are scum.

And it adds an EXTRA layer of scum if you have enough of a black hole where your conscience is to be sleeping around while your wife is sick/injured, a la Edwards and McCain.

I have NEVER defended Bill Clinton' actions and resent the assumption that I have. I'm simply pointing out that its completely ridiculous to keep coming up with excuse after excuse for why it was inappropriate to have an adulterer in the White House when it was a democrat, but its all HIP HIP HOORAY for John McCain.

They both deserve early onset ED. And of course since both are past their child-rearing years, and sex should only be for reproduction (right?), they shouldn't be able to have viagra either. And I will certainly NEVER cast a vote for someone who has cheated on his wife and then gone on to lecture other people on whats right and wrong.

Posted by: Amanda at August 29, 2008 3:12 PM


Elizabeth,

Amen to that!! She's thumbed her nose at Washington, is a true Washington outsider, fought corruption, she was a mayor and is a governor, and is tough about the budget and cronyism. She also hunts moose and ice fishes!
She was commander of the Alaska National Guard.

I just love how McCain has pulled the rug out from under Obama, and Hillary must be fuming!

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 3:17 PM


Amanda,

But you WILL vote for someone who voted FOR letting babies die on utility shelves and THEN went on to tell people what's right and wrong? REALLY?! I think cheating on your wife is the lesser of 2 evil's here.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at August 29, 2008 3:17 PM


"Of course it would have been better to divorce first. He admits he was a jerk and as far as we know has never done anything like this since..."

Of course not. Why would he? He gets a several million dollar a year allowance for being a good boy. That kinda money possibly could have kept Bill's zipper up too.

Posted by: Amanda at August 29, 2008 3:19 PM


Well, there goes McCain's argument about Obama being inexperienced down the drain. The only worry the Obama camp has about this is her siphoning off disgruntled hillary supporters.

Posted by: Dan at August 29, 2008 3:21 PM


Amanda,

I never said you defended his actions, I asked if you have any problem with how liberals have defended his actions and how this man continues to enjoy national prominence and status in the Democrat Party?
He was elected a second term despite knowledge of his flashing Paula Jones, who was viciously trashed by Clinton's minions and liberal feminists, and enjoyed the overwhelming support of liberals,who defended him to the death, and trashed the other women who accused him. Feminists maintained a deafening silence.

I excuse no one, I only point out an interesting double standard.

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 3:25 PM


Amanda,

Clinton proved time and again nothing would keep his zipper up, not even a woman saying "no".

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 3:27 PM


I'm really happy about two positive developments:

McCain has picked the BEST POSSIBLE person to be his VP running mate, and ..... Jill has gotten back on to "administration" on her blog!!

Oh happy DAY! :D

Posted by: Doyle at August 29, 2008 3:27 PM


The only worry the Obama camp has about this is her siphoning off disgruntled hillary supporters.

...which is unlikely given that Quayle Palin is ultra-conservative to an extent certain to turn off anyone who supported Hillary for her political stances and not solely because she is a woman.

Gotta love that Palin is under an ethics investigation, too. True, under investigation isn't the same as being guilty. Too bad we won't know for sure until after the election. If she did do it, how Christian is it to abuse political power pursuing a vendetta against a family member's divorcing spouse?

Posted by: Ray at August 29, 2008 3:31 PM


Hmm. Looks like that [del] tag doesn't work here. Let's see if [strike] does. That was supposed to say, "...Quayle Palin..."

Posted by: Ray at August 29, 2008 3:34 PM


Nope, oh well. Quayle was supposed to be struck through.

Posted by: Ray at August 29, 2008 3:35 PM


Well Ray, considering I'm SURE the McCain camp knew about the situation BEFORE picking her as the VP, it may not even be the way it seems.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at August 29, 2008 3:40 PM


"...which is unlikely given that Quayle Palin is ultra-conservative to an extent certain to turn off anyone who supported Hillary for her political stances and not solely because she is a woman."

Considering that Lauren's mother, a Hilary delegate in Texas, and all of her friends, the albeit relatively small 100-1000 of them, are "pumped" for Palin, I would say that you speak too soon. We will see how it turns out over the next few weeks, but I imagine that she does pull a significant amount.

Any other Republicans actually excited?

When it was speculated it would be Pawlantey, or however you spell his name, I was happy, but bored to tears. Im actually really excited about this VP pick.

How long has Obama been a US Senator, and how much of that time period did he spend campaigning for office? Last time I checked and I may be wrong, he has been a Senator for 140 days, with a magority of that time being spent on his campaign. I wouldnt be upset over Palin's lack of foriegn policy, consider Obama has such a small amount himself. We dont even have to go the whole "Obama hasnt ever run anything significant" route either.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 3:41 PM


Ray,

Quayle served two terms in the House of Representatives and six years in the senate. He had more experience than Hillary, who was willing to put up with her husband's philandering for years to obtain her senate seat. You sure don't think she would have been elected if her name was Schultz do you?
So what are you on Quayle's case about?

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 3:48 PM


By the way, has anyone else read about Obama's "brand?"

Apparently, his senior aides are calling his "outside the box" appeal as the Obama "brand." They are worried that if he openly attacks McCain, he may come across as "old politics" which is dubbed "brand erosion," so they have been focusing on low-key, "grassroots" attacks via mailings and non-national attacking ads.

His main guy, David Axelrod, supposedly reads everything he has to say to make sure it doesnt come across as "old politics."

That sounds so refreshing to hear! It seems Obama is more concerned with appearing not like old politics than actually being not like old politics.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 3:48 PM


A 44-year-old first-term governor, with zero foreign policy experience, from a state with more reindeer than people? Suddenly Obama/Biden have the experience advantage. McCain just shot himself in the foot.

Posted by: reality at August 29, 2008 2:42 PM

The cool thing about Palin is how much she has accomplished in the amount of time she has been running the state. She is more qualified to run a gov't than Obama who has never run anything. He never got the broad base of support needed to be a mayor or governor. It was happenstance that he was elected senator. She was a mayor and a governor. She is a leader, not just one vote out of a hundred. I hope she becomes president someday. I hate the hunting thing, however. I am soft for animals.

Posted by: hippie at August 29, 2008 3:53 PM


What a hippie soft for animals??

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 3:55 PM


Reality 2:42PM

Obama is a first term senator who gave a great speech and who, as Hippie has pointed out, has never run anything.
Palin was also a mayor, she has stood up to corruption and cronyism, told Washington to stuff it, and is as Washington outsider as she can possibly be, to name a few.
To the best of my knowledge she has never been friends with terrorists, one of whom was pictured standing on the American flag.
Please tell us all of Obama's accomplishments as well as gov't, be it city or state, that he has run as an executive.

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 4:02 PM


Someone on the radio just said that if you were going to give an executive position to an employee at Mcdonalds he rather give it to a manager that had worked for two years that the guy that worked the window for 10. I think that's the difference. Being the boss and overseeing is different than just doing "your" job...

Posted by: mk at August 29, 2008 4:18 PM


I already said my piece on the Pawlenty thread, so I'll show some restraint here.

Nice choice, John.

McCain / Palin in 2008! :)

Posted by: Naaman at August 29, 2008 4:35 PM


Teaching constitutional law at a top university for eight years, serving in the IL Senate for seven years, and the US Senate for 4 years is the equivalent of just doing his job at a McDonalds window? Regarding her executive experience, the state that Palin governs has a smaller population than many major US cities.

Posted by: Ray at August 29, 2008 4:41 PM


Ray,

Please tell at what population the executive experience of a mayor and governor becomes relevant.

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 4:44 PM


I have three more things to say about McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his VP running mate:

YES, YES, YES!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Doyle at August 29, 2008 4:46 PM


It seems that analogies are lost on Ray.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 4:48 PM


Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 3:48 PM

I heard about that too! Can you believe it? It reminded me of when I worked for corporate McDonalds in Oakbrook, IL and all I heard ALL DAY was "protect the brand, protect the brand." (These were some serious kool-aid drinkers.)

I can't help but think the same thing of Obama's "followers."

Posted by: Kristen at August 29, 2008 4:53 PM


eat your heart out Amanda, Hal and all the others who wish that Palin was just not soooo right!:

DAYTON, OH, August 29, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Republican John McCain has picked first-term Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his surprise choice for a running mate, in a move hailed by conservative leaders as "absolutely brilliant" and "electrifying" conservative voters, especially women.

Gov. Sarah Palin, known for her traditional and unabashedly pro-life and pro-family views, is the mother of five children, including her youngest boy, Trig, who has Down Syndrome. She is now only the second female vice-presidential candidate in history and the first for the Republican Party.

Gov. Palin had been considered a wild-card for a running mate, and the choice further solidifies the appeal of the Republican presidential contender to values voters. The news comes only days after the Republican platform became what has been called the most pro-life and pro-family in Republican party history.

Representatives for the National Right to Life said they were "thrilled" to hear of the selection. President Wanda Franz, Ph.D said, "Governor Palin brings another strong pro-life voice to the Republican ticket, in sharp contrast to the pro-abortion ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden."

"Governor Palin will change the dynamics of the entire presidential race," she said. "Her admirable record of confronting corruption and living her pro-life convictions shows she is a doer, not just a talker. Sarah Palin will make history as a vice presidential candidate - and not simply because she's a woman, but because she's a woman of substance and character."

taken from lifesite news http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082904.html

Looks like American voters actually may have a "choice". Isn't that what the proaborts claim as their mantra - choice.
They can now choose to be country of life or a country promoting death. It's up to them.

Posted by: Patricia at August 29, 2008 4:54 PM


And of course since both are past their child-rearing years, and sex should only be for reproduction (right?), they shouldn't be able to have viagra either.

Posted by: Amanda at August 29, 2008 3:12 PM

Amanda, with all due respect, I'm so sick of hearing this. I don't think anyone has EVER said sex is ONLY for reproduction. It's that sex should always be OPEN TO LIFE. The end.

Posted by: Kristen at August 29, 2008 4:56 PM


Ray,

In which position did Obama or Biden ever lead a group of people?

Posted by: Jasper at August 29, 2008 4:56 PM


Well, I like her, and it seems my wife does too. So that's two votes. Actually, we were going to vote McCain anyway, but it just makes it nice that it's her. She does seem like a real person, really wholesome.

Posted by: Andy at August 29, 2008 5:03 PM


Ray-

I have a deep disdain for academics, because they are supposed thinkers rather than do-ers. I respect a practitioner of anything over a professor any day. I am also self-conscience that my young age and near PhD might lead people to beleive I'm afraid of the real world, which is why I worked for a few years and do contract work.

That being said, teaching anything, anywhere ain't experience. Casting a vote (not even creating and advocating legislation) ain't experience. Even his votes weren't real votes, but 'present' votes.

So, all the experience you claim is experience is not experience at all.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 29, 2008 5:06 PM


I has been a while since my last visit. I hope every one is doing well here.

This is indeed a good news for this country.

Although I believe that the only way we can change the landscape of abortion is by changing the hearts of individual men and women. Often, politicians say what we want to hear to get our vote. The Bush's partial abortion ban and the exceptions that would allow the procedure are embarrassing and most certainly do not value every life.

However as Jill pointed out, Sarah Palin "walks the walk"- she is 10% of those who choose not to take life away from children affected by down syndrome.

I only wish I had a chance to vote this year. But if everything goes well, I will be able to vote for Sarah Palin when she runs for the president of this great country.

Posted by: Vlad at August 29, 2008 5:10 PM


Hi Vlad,

It's nice to hear from you again, hope all is well :)

Posted by: Jasper at August 29, 2008 5:13 PM


Sarah Palin supports teaching a theory of the supernatural in science classes.

This reminds me of Mondale picking Ferraro. Since we're gonna lose anyway....

Posted by: SoMG at August 29, 2008 5:14 PM


Thanks Jasper. Yes everything is well. On the days like this it can't be otherwise.

Posted by: Vlad at August 29, 2008 5:15 PM


This reminds me of Mondale picking Ferraro.

I like your thinking, SoMG, but to me it seems more like the IL Republicans in 2004 picking Alan Keyes in a desperate attempt to blunt the Obama campaign spearhead, after he received more votes in the Democratic primary than all the Republican candidates did in theirs combined.

So, all the experience you claim is experience is not experience at all.

Disdain aside, they don't let just anyone teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School. What legal background does Palin have? And are you really saying that service in the US House and Senate, writing and negotiating legislation and controlling a budget that affects 300 million people, is unsuitable experience for the presidency?

Posted by: Ray at August 29, 2008 5:26 PM


Mayor. 9K Sarah's Appeal to Women, and Cracks in the Glass Ceiling

Sarah referred to two other women who'd put cracks in the Glass Ceiling
* Geral(D)ine Ferraro
* Hillay Ro(D)ham Clinton

In her first VeeP speech, she makes (D)z look better on the emancipation of women than (R)z ... Ann Coulter, the other (R) 'woMAN' wouldn't have made that mistake ...


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 5:34 PM


Ray: "What legal background does Palin have?"

What? So now only lawyers can become President or Vice President?

What experience does Obama have running an executive branch?

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 5:35 PM


The more people get to know Sarah Palin the more they will like her. McCain hit the jackpot with her selection. She stands for the values that made America great. She stands for life and she stands for the rights of the individual. She is feisty, independent, and strong, yet graceful and feminine. She is honest and hard working. All of these things and more say she is the right person at the right time for this job.

Now if the MSM gives just half the amount of coverage to the GOP convention as they did the Dems people will see for themselves the stark contrasts between the two parties. (As a side--does anyone seriously contest anymore that MSM has a decided bias?) One party promises to give everybody everything and take the nanny state to the max. It was embarassing to see Carter and Gore abuse the truth. And the messiah's laundry list of big government promises were a yawn.

The other party speaks to fundamental principles that are the stuff of American freedom and independence and fully recognizes the reality that a government that can give us everything can just as easily take it away. This party recognizes that the unborn have rights just like the rest of us. This is the party that recognizes that we cannot retreat from our military and geopolitical committments when times get tough, as does the fickle Obama/Biden team.

Posted by: Jerry at August 29, 2008 5:35 PM


mk, another angle on the Gustav story just occurred to me. Wasn't it the AFA that released a video encouraging people to pray for rain on the Democratic convention? How's that for ironic if the it's the Republican convention that ends up getting rained out by a hurricane? I don't presume to know what message God might be creating by such an event (actually I don't believe even slightly that God exerts influence over day to day things like the weather), but it sure is open to some interesting interpretation.

Posted by: Ray at August 29, 2008 5:35 PM


Or maybe the amount rain has nothing to do with our appeals to God?

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 5:38 PM


Mc'Cane' :
'I chose ex-beauty queen contestant Sarah, because she understands the objectification of women and the (R)ight of a bunch of old white men on the SCOTUS to control the use of her body ... She is (R) kinda woman'


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 5:38 PM


Wasnt Snerd the name of that red dude from those old Domino's commercials?

Wacky Snerd! Youre at it again! Stop stealing the pizzas!

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 5:40 PM


Welcome back, Vlad. Good to see you again! :)

Posted by: Bethany at August 29, 2008 5:40 PM


And of course since both are past their child-rearing years, and sex should only be for reproduction (right?), they shouldn't be able to have viagra either.

Posted by: Amanda at August 29, 2008 3:12 PM

Amanda, with all due respect, I'm so sick of hearing this. I don't think anyone has EVER said sex is ONLY for reproduction. It's that sex should always be OPEN TO LIFE. The end.

Posted by: Kristen at August 29, 2008 4:56 PM

kudos Kristen!
This argument is used to deflect from the topic.

Posted by: Patricia at August 29, 2008 5:57 PM


arah vs. HILLARY ...?! (R) you kidding ...?!

In fact, if Mayor Sarah is just bait for disaffected Hillary supports, Hillary has been handling disaffection caused by women with far greater assets than 9K Sarah, all her life .... Gawd, Hillary can peel the bark off most men.

Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 5:59 PM


I hear 9K Sarah's first endorsement will come from Ted Stevens. Apparently she's going to accept it at Ted's newly (R)enovated home, while speaking on t(R)aditional "valuez", entitled ... "c(R)onyism and co(R)(R)uption" .

Ted will introduce her with a speech entitled, "9K Sa(R)ah; a b(R)idge to the futu(R)e"


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 6:01 PM


Disparaging Mc'Cane's' 'Able' VeeP choice ... !? Heck! I support it!

It's another example of (R) (D)iversity to go along with "A Log in 'THE' Cabin" RepubliCONs .

Any (R) VEEP candidate that has to use (D) women to (D)emonstrate (D)iversity can not be all bad .... (R)ight!?


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 6:03 PM


I think the courage shown by (R)z supporting Mc'Cane's 'Able' choice of unknown and untested '9K Sarah' is admirable.

In fact they deserve a name in their honour. Given the political 'environment' and the inevitable match up with Hillary, I hereby nominate "Palin-Bear-(R)" as their moniker


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 6:06 PM


Snerdly:

Welcome wacko!

Posted by: HisMan at August 29, 2008 6:26 PM


How's that for ironic if the it's the Republican convention that ends up getting rained out by a hurricane? I don't presume to know what message God might be creating by such an event

Dang! I thought Bush controlled the weather.

Posted by: DeeL at August 29, 2008 6:32 PM


HisMan: "... Dang! I thought Bush controlled the weather."

SG: The "W"eather and ta(R) babies ...


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 6:38 PM


Quiet! ... In fact there seems to be a bit of a "Pal in" the place ...


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 6:51 PM


From "Fred K"

More background from Gregg Erickson, Columnist and Reporter, Anchorage Daily News and Editor at Large, Alaska Budget Report :

About her strengths and weaknesses: “She is smart, vivacious and energetic; she tends to oversimplify complex issues, has had difficulty delegating authority, and clearly has difficulty distinguishing the line between her public responsibilities and private wishes. She is under legislative investigation on this, the so-called “troopergate” issue, in which she is said to have used improper influence to try to get her sister’s ex-husband fired from the state troopers."

About her approval ratings: “Her approval ratings are high–65 percent, or so–but down from 80 percent earlier in her term. Most Alaskan’s haven’t watched her as closely as most reporters or legislators. If you took a poll of reporters and legislators I expect her approval rating would be down in the teens or twenties."

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 6:53 PM


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10521836

The above article dated September of 1999 confirms the rate of abortion for Downs babies to be 92%. This article is posted to the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a governmental center (note the .gov in the address).

Another article dated November 10, 2005 discusses a new screeening test to determine if the child has downs even earlier in the pregancy (in the first trimester). The disturbing results from this test is the 5% FALSE POSITIVE results of the test. This means 5% of the BABIES COULD POTENTIALLY BE ABORTED WHO DO NOT HAVE DOWNS. This is so sad, parents so hell bent on finding out if their child has
Downs and having an abortion if the test comes back positive and the child may not actually have Downs.

Here is the link for the second article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110902079.html

So for all of you looking for the data on the abortion rate of Downs children, here it is. And how chilling those numbers are.

Posted by: lovethemboth at August 29, 2008 6:54 PM


Well, Obama should go down to New Orleans and like the mighty Moses, part the wind, command to waves to subside, then go suck his thumbs.

Posted by: HisMan at August 29, 2008 7:59 PM


And are you really saying that service in the US House and Senate, writing and negotiating legislation and controlling a budget that affects 300 million people, is unsuitable experience for the presidency?

Absolutely. Presence on a glorified committee where he failed to bring about any of his beloved change is no way preparation for the presidency.

And teaching any topic in college isn't laudable, despite the prestige of an institution. Those who can, do...and those who can't, well, they apparently run for public office and schmooze their way in.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 29, 2008 8:00 PM


Don't forget in the 3 years Obama has served in the senate, 2 of them were spent running for President. During that time, Governor Palin was running a State, a budget and cleaning up corruption.

Posted by: Jasper at August 29, 2008 8:23 PM


Jacq: "... And teaching any topic in college isn't laudable, despite the prestige of an institution. Those who can, do...and those who can't, well, they apparently run for public office and schmooze their way in."

SG: ... errr ... 'Admiral' sentiments there Einstein ... Sheesh!

So the '(R)-Goo-ment' you (R) trying to 'float', as it were, is; Because he failed at the inconsequential profession of professor, he then has to go for the Ultimate Level ... POTUS

Failure ... Who knew it was such a career accelerator ...?

Speaking about the other side of the equation, you know ... 'Competence', a thing which creates those career impediments ... like Success ...

* Obama out raised every candidate
* conducted a savy outsider campaign that unseated a Clinton coronation
* drew 80,000 soul to see him in person
* drew 38,000,000 TV viewers

All Successful signs of Failure ... apparently


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 8:32 PM


a few decades back a Chicago researcher tried a 'different' approach. He injected a little amount of bone marrow cells from a healthy donor into a child-fetus with abnormal DNA. Usually with this genetic disorder the infant dies within the first year post-birth max.

After following the child for 5 years of good health, he pronounced the girl 'cured' ... the very fist time that I've ever heard that of a genetic disorder.

In an interview he said that the technique could be used on many disorders because the implanted cells 'teach' the faulty cells how to produce the proper way.

I've always wonder if this would help DS children! I have never heard a reference to it again.

Posted by: John McDonell at August 29, 2008 8:44 PM


Jasper: "... During that time, Governor Palin was running a State, a budget and cleaning up corruption."

SG: Corruption ... ? The family value of t(R)oope(R)gate aint over yet.


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 8:59 PM


Snerd,
Welcome to the blog. I am respectfully asking you to try to to make a little more sense in your posts. The R's and D' and whatever cryptic communications you've got going there is hard to follow. Incoherent, actually.

We welcome your opinion, just make sure we can make sense out of it.

Posted by: carder at August 29, 2008 9:04 PM


Snerd: "I hear 9K Sarah's first endorsement will come from Ted Stevens. Apparently she's going to accept it at Ted's newly (R)enovated home, while speaking on t(R)aditional 'valuez', entitled ... "c(R)onyism and co(R)(R)uption'."

Keep it up, (D)ouchebag.

Posted by: bmmg39 at August 29, 2008 9:08 PM


That's not what I said at all. I also never said he failed as a professor. I said teaching college is a refuge for the book-smart socially retarded who are afraid of the real world, and thus, does not count as experience when applying to run the free world.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 29, 2008 9:13 PM


lovetheboth: did you know that in Canada, the CMA now recommends that ALL pregnant women undergo testing for Down Syndrome?
It's very rare to see any Down Syndrome children these days although I met the uncle of one of my daughters friends (he has mild Down Syndrome) and then I met a young boy about 10 in Chapters sitting on the floor reading a book and who was very friendly!
Fortunately for me, my doctor never required me to undergo testing even though my youngest child was born when I was 39. it would never have occurred to him to test my baby for Down Syndrome.
What has our society come to?

Posted by: Patricia at August 29, 2008 9:20 PM


Trigg???

I have no problem with people having boatloads of kids if they want. But please, give them real names. This kid will have enough problems without being named after a type of math he'll never be able to do.

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 9:22 PM


Considering the fact that Palin's Dr. urged her to abort I am very thankful that he is alive and his name is Trigg.

Posted by: Carla at August 29, 2008 9:25 PM


Jacqueline,

So why do you continue to aspire to become something that you despise? If you hate people with PhDs, won't you hate yourself when you have one? Why don't you quit school and just work at a blue collar job if you don't want to be seen as an "academic"?

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 9:28 PM


Trig is a family name. That beautiful boy was named after a great uncle.

Posted by: DeeL at August 29, 2008 9:31 PM


JKeller: "This kid will have enough problems without being named after a type of math he'll never be able to do."

That is cruel. He will love is name and not think a thing about it. He won't have "enough problems;" he has a loving family who adore him and will probably be one of the happiest kids in the world. The biggest problem individuals with Down syndrome face is the cruelty of others who are ignorant of their dignity (like who think it is ok for their mothers to abort them).

Posted by: Eileen at August 29, 2008 9:33 PM


Carla,

She chose what she chose. I doubt the doctor was chasing her around the room with a knife. If her prerogative was always to carry out any pregnancy no matter the risk, then little Trigg's life was never in any danger.

People don't have to take their doctor's advice like its set in stone. That's why you see people seeking second and third opinions on prognosis's and signing themselves out of the emergency room AMA. If you are the type that would not even think about abortion you can say "Thank you for your opinion, but I'm going a different route".

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 9:37 PM


Snerd Gronk,

I am light-years away from being able to grok your posts...

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at August 29, 2008 9:38 PM


Eileen,

How is the truth cruel? Just because you don't like it? I suppose you think people with Downs can be rocket scientists if people just love them enough? In reality most people with DS do have problems that do include people making fun of them but is not limited to just that. Excuse me if my comment wasn't PC.

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 9:47 PM


When I first heard about this nomination, I thought it felt like Geraldine Ferraro. Now it's starting to feel more like Harriet Meirs.

Posted by: SoMG at August 29, 2008 9:47 PM


Wow, JKeller...aren't you the compassionate one.

I think Trig is an adorable name, but even if I didn't I wouldn't make snarking comments about it.

As for him having "enough problems" how many DS people do you know? I doubt many if that is the way you automatically view their lives.

Posted by: Lauren at August 29, 2008 9:48 PM


The DS people I know are people who are ill-equipped to pursue a higher education after being passed through high school, have to work at below minimum wage jobs that are specifically designed for them while having to be cared for (as in, they are unable to live independent lives) their entire lives by their parents, or upon the deaths of their parents, other people. One has a serious heart condition. Sure, they are overall lovely people who no doubt have loads of people who love them regardless. But they do have limitations, which I defined as "problems".

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 10:01 PM


JKeller,

what do you propose we do with these "undesirables" you speak of?

Posted by: Jasper at August 29, 2008 10:12 PM


JKeller, of course they have limitations, that's not what I was commenting on. Your comments are cruel, and you show your ignornance.

Posted by: Eileen at August 29, 2008 10:17 PM


So why do you continue to aspire to become something that you despise? If you hate people with PhDs, won't you hate yourself when you have one? Why don't you quit school and just work at a blue collar job if you don't want to be seen as an "academic"?

Don't annoy me with placing words in my mouth. I don't hate people with Ph.D.'s. I don't aspire to become what I despise. I don't despise professors, but I don't think that teaching college is real-world experience in governing.

Obtaining a Ph.D. and using it in the real world is wonderful. Obtaining a Ph.D. to avoid the real world (i.e. stay in college) is what I abhor. Have you ever been forced to spend time informally in the presence of professors, by working with them rather than being lectured? So many are often impotent at anything other than academia, which is why they must bed down there.

By the way, my doctorate is a way to gain credit/legitimacy for the research needed to reform the law I've dedicated myself to overturning. Many, many people get PhD.'s and use them in the real world. However, many get PhD's to be the at the top of a small heirarchy, to feel good about themselves without needing to accomplish anything in the real world.

By the way, one can not have a doctorate and not be blue-collar. It's possible to kick butt with no degrees, and an advanced degree. I'm not saying that people are better off uneducated, but that education and teaching college doesn't equal experience needed to run a country.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 29, 2008 10:20 PM


Patricia, do you disagree with testing for Down Syndrome? Why not acquire the information? If yer gonna raise a DS patient the sooner you start getting ready the better.

I love how RTLs talk about the fact that we have greatly lessened the occurrence of a dread disease as if it were a bad thing.

Governor Palin's decision is very touching but she can afford to hire specialized daycare.

Posted by: SoMG at August 29, 2008 10:22 PM


If people are willing to take on the emotional and physical burden of responsibility for a lifetime of care for their child, then I have no qualms with people bringing DS children into the world, in fact I applaud them for it.

Trigg is an odd name, I commented on the oddity of it, and suddenly I'm the "Bludgeoner of the Handicapped".

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 10:24 PM


"I love how RTLs talk about the fact that we have greatly lessened the occurrence of a dread disease as if it were a bad thing."

Killing 80-90% of the people with a disease is not the same as lessening its occurrence.

Posted by: bmmg39 at August 29, 2008 10:33 PM


Actually, JKeller, you commented on the "problem" that was this child's name, as though the child doesn't have enough "problems" to deal with. You probably WERE one of the jerks to make fun of a child like this so that they have to deal with those sorts of "problems." Can't make fun of much else, so let's make fun of the kid's name right?

Grow up.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at August 29, 2008 10:34 PM


Jacq: "... By the way, one can not have a doctorate and not be blue-collar. It's possible to kick butt with no degrees, and an advanced degree."

SG: Are there any prerequisites to get into your particular degree program ...?

Jacq: "... I'm not saying that people are better off uneducated, but that education and teaching college doesn't equal experience needed to run a country."

SG: You're providing yourself as evidence for the ills that plague the education system, I take it.


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 10:36 PM


Yes, I've spent time socially with my professors (who use their education both in the real world and in the university teaching), and I've found them to be fun and interesting. Perhaps your professors are all old codgers and you are making a snap judgement of all professors based on the boring-ness of yours. Perhaps mine are simply cooler than most which renders me unable to understand your feelings about yours.

Some people specialize in things that make it nearly impossible for them to have a job that is not a teaching position at a university. This does not mean that they're "hiding" from the real world. Their position allows them access to resources for research that they would have to be extremely independently wealthy to access in the "real world". In exchange, their findings a lot of times makes the lives of those of us who live in the "real world" better. I see no reason to begrudge them for that.

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 10:38 PM


JKeller: "Trigg is an odd name, I commented on the oddity of it, and suddenly I'm the "Bludgeoner of the Handicapped"."

Yes JKeller...you said "What an odd name guys!!!"

Dont play dumb...oh wait maybe you arent. If that is the case, consider this a lesson in social tact.

You pointed out that the name was bizarre (right after making a derogatory remark about someone who has 5 children as a "boatload") and then proceeded to point out the "idiocy" of DS people by making a pun. This is the sort of thing people find insulting, for future reference.

SoMG: "I love how RTLs talk about the fact that we have greatly lessened the occurrence of a dread disease as if it were a bad thing."

No we havent lessoned the occurance of it. We now just kill the people who develop it. Surely you would consider it a bad thing if we went around and "lessoned" the occurance of AIDS by killing anyone who may have it?

The doctors told us my son would probably have DS, and then they said he would probably have Spinda Bifida....neither happened.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 10:44 PM


Elizabeth,

Now who's jumping to conclusions? You sure do presume to know me extremely well after talking to me for 5 seconds on the internet.

"This (person) has enough problems.......yadda yadda" is a figure of speech used frequently. I'm sorry if you guys get so easily freaked out by semantics. I'll try to be more painstakingly literal in the future.

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 10:46 PM


"Some people specialize in things that make it nearly impossible for them to have a job that is not a teaching position at a university."

Yeah...law. Who could get a job in that proffesion. You know what they always say...get a law degree and you are going to have to be a teacher!

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 10:46 PM


Oliver,

What is derogatory about saying I see no problem in people having as many children as they desire?

(I'll refrain from using the word "boatload", because, as another figure of speech, I know how it freaks you people out. But I still don't see how it could be considered derogatory. Perhaps you just don't understand the meaning of the word derogatory.)

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 10:50 PM


JKeller :"Now who's jumping to conclusions? You sure do presume to know me extremely well after talking to me for 5 seconds on the internet."

She said probably dude.

You insulted a DS baby. What can of reaction do you expect to garnish from just about anyone?

You apparently are the kind of person that can insult a child like that. I think its safe to speculate that you would do so in other cases.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 10:51 PM


Like I said, JK, grow up. Can't make fun of anything else, so let's make fun of the DS kid's name, right? I don't need to know much more about you then THAT.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at August 29, 2008 10:51 PM


(I'll refrain from using the word "boatload", because, as another figure of speech, I know how it freaks you people out. But I still don't see how it could be considered derogatory. Perhaps you just don't understand the meaning of the word derogatory)

Lets see. Did she actually have a "boatload?" Thats what we call a hyperbole. By the way, the definition of "derogatory" is specfically "expressive of low opinion."

When you use hyperboles...it is often an expression of low opinion. I think it fits. Then again, what would I know? JKeller has obviously proven to be a very savvy and inteligent poster thus far!

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 10:54 PM


Hah... I love the compassion of you pro-abortion liberals on here. You say that Palin is a dummy like Dan Quayle, Palin has no experience, Palin gave her kids dumb names. Are you for real? Are you copy/pasting direct from the DNC sludge pits or what?

Let's look at Obama's great "experience". First he got good grades in school. Wow, impressive! Nobody ever got good grades in school before! Then with his good grades he went door-to-door selling crazy as a community organizer in Chicago. Then he was a professor who taught a class on "How to Destroy the US Constitution With Judicial Activism", or something like that. And then he got elected to the state senate, where he fought in favor of leaving "the least of these" on tables to die alone. Finally he was elected to the US Senate in a dark blue, Democrat majority state, running against Alan Keyes, who, God bless him, is a great activist but makes for an unbelievably bad politician.

And, of course, Obama also made a dishonest speech at the 2004 DNC which he has now completely repudiated through his actions, especially the act of choosing the disgusting partisan hack and 36 year Washington DC chairwarmer Joe "Hair Plugs" Biden as his VP.

You call that experience? Even Hillary recognized that Obama has no experience. Heck, even Biden himself said that McCain would make a better president than Obama! Follow Biden's advice, liberals! VOTE McCAIN!

I'd put Palin's handful of years as the mayor of a small town and governor of a low population state over Obama's supposed "experience" any day.

And another thing you're forgetting/ignoring is that Palin is running for VP. She'll have plenty of time to gain in experience as she is in DC for 4 or 8 years. Obama is absolutely not ready to lead on Day 1. What's he going to do, let Biden run the show for him, like you guys are always saying Bush did with Cheney? C'mon, what a joke.

I look forward to the continued misogynistic comments for you "pro-woman" liberals, though. They are very entertaining.

And let me also say that I am absolutely THRILLED with the choice of Palin as McCain's VP, as are all of my conservative associates in Pennsylvania. She was our first pick, and we are very, very happy that she ended up on the ticket, a ticket which we will now gladly vote for!

Posted by: John Lewandowski at August 29, 2008 10:57 PM


Yeah Im actually finding myself pretty psyched as well. I didnt even vote last election. I am almost considering getting a sign. I just dont want anybody to thrash my house/car here in Austin...

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:00 PM


Yeah, ummmm, I never insulted the kid. He didn't pick his name, right? He's probably a pretty sweet kid. But he has an odd name. Like little Apple Martin. The difference is her name is fair game to be snickered at in passing.

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 11:05 PM


I am very excited about McCain's pick. She is a great role model for everyone especially girls. She was a highschool athlete (state basketball champs) and participated in a beauty contest. She did the PTA, ran a business, served on town council, city mayor and stood up against her own party to win an election to governer against an incumbent. And she is truly values life and unabashedly proclaims it!

Talk about a positive. She is a mother and a leader. She is a real live feminist who is a doer not just a talker.

The left (supposed feminists) will be her worst critics; their criticism will demonstrate to real women the truely elitist, mean-spirited nature of the traditional feminists (NOW). As they seek to discredit and attack a more common woman -- they will erode their own support.

Today was a good day!

Posted by: LB at August 29, 2008 11:11 PM


JKKeller 10:01PM

Sure sounds like a few "normal" people I could name.

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 11:15 PM


JKeller: "Yeah, ummmm, I never insulted the kid. He didn't pick his name, right? He's probably a pretty sweet kid. But he has an odd name. Like little Apple Martin. The difference is her name is fair game to be snickered at in passing. "

I wish there was a way to speak in slow motion. Does all caps work? Probably not.

It wasnt your insult to the name. It was the insult to his inteligence through the use of a belittling pun. If you really dont know what you did wrong, I feel sorry for you, but you should know from now...its not cool to make fun of mentally handicaped people.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:16 PM


By the way JKeller, what are the ratios of the sides of a triangle in the two common special right triangles?

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:18 PM


Just look at it this way. Sarah Palin got to be where she is by being Sarah Palin. Hillary got to where she is by being Mrs. Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 11:22 PM


Mary,

I wouldnt say that exactly. I am definitely not a Hilary fan, but I would say that she probably deserves to be a Democrat in congress as much as many others in there at least.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:25 PM


Mary --

Bravo!!!!!

Posted by: LB at August 29, 2008 11:25 PM


It's not an insult to call a spade a spade. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but people with DS have below average intelligence, so it's not an insult to state it as a fact.

But seriously, best of luck to little Trigg in his life. I hope his mom can continue on as governor of Alaska once she is defeated in her quest for the vice-presidency to provide him with a all he needs in life.

I'm out, people. (To you literalists it means I'm leaving for the night)

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 11:27 PM


Does this mean you dont know how to use even basic Trig yourself JKeller??? It cant be!!

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:29 PM


It means that I didn't see your comment because it was farther up the page.

The ratio of the sides of a 45-45-90 triangle is 1:1:(square root)2, while the ratio of the sides of a 30-60-90 triangle is 1:(square root)3:2.

Now I'm out. Unless you want me to dance for you. But feel free to invoke the double standard and make fun of me as much as you like while I'm gone.

Posted by: JKeller at August 29, 2008 11:39 PM


JKeller: "It's not an insult to call a spade a spade."

LOL!! Im sure you get a lot of great responses when you tell people "I dont find your very attractive" or "you sir are very overweight!"

How about "YOUR SMELL OFFENDS ME!!"

Hey, its calling a spade a spade right? Whats worse...a moron who insults DS infants based on their speculated inteligence or a moron who doesnt admit when hes wrong after insulting a DS infant?

By the way, I am glad that you mom didnt call you Trig, it would have been so unfortunate.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:39 PM


JKeller you are heartless --- hopefully you will rethink you attitude toward other people. Yours is a cold, cold world....

Sleep well, though.

Posted by: LB at August 29, 2008 11:40 PM


Jkeller,

I was just wondering if it makes you feel better inside that you shared the "truth" with everyone. It's called tact. Get some.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at August 29, 2008 11:41 PM


On August 10, Karl Rove went on �Face The Nation� to argue that Senator Obama would make an �intensely political choice� for Vice President without regard for the �responsibilities of president.� At the time, Rove believed Obama would choose Tim Kaine, and argued against him by saying this:

ROVE: With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he�s been a governor for three years, he�s been able but undistinguished. I don�t think people could really name a big, important thing that he�s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it�s smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona; north Las Vegas or Henderson, Nevada. It�s not a big town. So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I�m really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 11:41 PM


Okay, JKeller, tell me then. If you have a circle inscribed in an equilateral triangle, what is the probabilty of selecting a point located in the bottom left portion of the triangle where it does not intersect the circle. (The portion is defined by the minor arc that is created by the points where the circle "touches" the triangle and the line segments coming from those same points to the angle that is inbetween those same points.)


How about this easy one? What is the area of a square if you know the diagonal of the square is 5? What is the area of an equalateral traingle if you know that one side is equal to 5?

You arent too stupid right?

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:45 PM


Snerd,

So...Karl Rove says so, therefore it must be the truth?

I liked you better when you talked like a robot.

Also, is your name an anagram, because I dont see it and its driving me crazy!

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:48 PM


Oliver,

We'll never know since Hillary never ran for office on her own merits, only her name.
If she, a non resident of New York, was named Hillary Smith and ran for New York senator she'd have had as much likelihood of being elected as I would. Let's not kid ourselves, being married to Bill has gotten her where she is today.

Posted by: Mary at August 29, 2008 11:48 PM


Snerd--

Your posts are totally unintelligible --- maybe totally unintelligent -- but it's hard to tell.

Then again if you are Mortimer Snerd -- you are doing pretty well :)

Posted by: LB at August 29, 2008 11:49 PM


I think Snerd is SoMG. He just got bored.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:51 PM


It cant be an anagram I dont think...too few vowels and too weird of consonants.

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:52 PM


Mc'Cane' selects Palin to go after the disaffected Hillary voter and ...

NEWSWEEK's Karen Breslau: "... Palin talked about... her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but she didn't like Clinton's "whining.")"

Nice!


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 29, 2008 11:56 PM


Snerd!!!! *shakes fist*

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:58 PM


You made a logic misstep though.

You make an assumption about McCain's choice of Palin and then when you find evidence that runs contrary, instead of considering the possibility that your original assumption is false, you make another assumption that McCain is contradicting himself.

Posted by: Oliver at August 30, 2008 12:02 AM


Snerd appears to be some sort of weird teletype service from the Obama basement....

Night all!

Posted by: LB at August 30, 2008 12:02 AM


Are there any prerequisites to get into your particular degree program ...?

I hope you're joking, but I'll indulge you anyway: It's kind of difficult to get into any doctoral program without a master's degree. Some allow for students to enroll right after college, take the equivilent of a masters in hours but skip the masters, mine does not. Doesn't really matter, I got my masters in a different (yet related field) and practiced in the real world for a few years anyway. But the answer is yes, you must have an advanced degree in a related field to be considered, and even so, the slots are limited and very competitive. My program is the number 1 in the southwest, top 10 in the nation. Why do you ask? Do you assume me uneducated because I am not in awe of professors? You'd assume wrong, obviously, implied by the fact that I'm 2 semesters and one dissertation shy of my doctorate.

Perhaps your professors are all old codgers and you are making a snap judgement of all professors based on the boring-ness of yours.

Actually, on the contrary, many of mine are quite young and have done nothing but college for their entire adult lives, only to get a job at a college. I'm not saying some of them aren't very cool, but a disproportionate number of them are social retards who obviously couldn't survive outside of the campus.

The old codgers who have paid dues in reality and retire to teach are really the ones most qualified to teach. They are the ones that can do what they train others to do. I wish I had more old, boring professors.

***Note: Spending time with professors as a student is very different from spending time with them as colleagues. I didn't develop my distaste for these types of profs until after I finished my masters and worked in the real world for a while.

SG: You're providing yourself as evidence for the ills that plague the education system, I take it.

Somehow, because I don't awe over people with fancy degrees, I am evidence of the ills that plague the education system? Okay, if such ills are the fact that I don't see professors as a group of elites and certainly won't view my doctorate as imbuing me with instant clout. I know that bums out those that get such degrees for the clout, but those are the people that are otherwise worthless.

Why so offended? Are you a post-doc professor who is pouting that I don't idolize you?

Some people specialize in things that make it nearly impossible for them to have a job that is not a teaching position at a university.

If there speciality is so useless that it can't be turned into something productive, I rest my case.

Yes, there are some people who use professorships to subsidize their real world work and aren't afraid of reality. I'm merely talking about those who are. Some of the most awesome people I know are called to be professors. They could do a number of other things, but it's what they were meant to do. Good for them. I'm talking about the professors who are professors because they can't do anything else.

But we digress. My point was that teaching college is not experience that translates into running a country.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 30, 2008 12:04 AM


Jacky, dont waste your breath. JKeller "cant" see how pointing out somebody's flaws, in this case a DS infant, can be insulting. Clearly, he is an idiot.

Posted by: Oliver at August 30, 2008 12:09 AM


I have to celebrate the choice of Gov. Sarah Palin, as a Pro-life African American I am thrilled to see this woman on the ticket. She is a fiscal and moral conservative who knew that her precious baby did not deserve a death sentence because he had a medical condition. He is perfect the way God made him and deserved to be loved and cherished, although he may need more help than other children. Shame on all the pro-death people who have spewed out such venomous comments about Gov. Palin and her baby. Shame on Barack because he would have left Trig to die in a dirty utility room like the Downs baby that Jill held and cuddled until he died years ago. God help you pro-death people and the USA.

Posted by: ForLife at August 30, 2008 12:10 AM


SG: Are there any prerequisites to get into your particular degree program ...?

Jacq: " ...I hope you're joking, but I'll indulge you anyway: ..."

SG: Ahhhh .... '(R)' there any such things as rhetorical questions in that Southwest school ...?


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 30, 2008 12:17 AM


Also dont trust Snerd. As soon as you do, hes off with the cheesy bread.

Posted by: Oliver at August 30, 2008 12:25 AM


Snerd,

Your comments indicate that you're not exactly the brightest crayon in the box. Thus, you could have very well been serious, so I thought I would help you out a little.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 30, 2008 12:25 AM


SG: You're providing yourself as evidence for the ills that plague the education system, I take it.

Jacq: ... Okay, if such ills are the fact that I don't see professors as a group of elites ...

SG: Hmmmm .... So its a discipline that exists in a syntax free zone ....?

And apparently one clearly is not trouble by the relationship between the development of language and the development of thought ...


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 30, 2008 12:27 AM


Hey, Oliver-

I am excited about meeting Anna tomorrow! After the shower you can add to your ever-growing collection of awesome baby stuff!

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 30, 2008 12:27 AM


Terry Jeffrey discussed Obama's position on BAIPA perfectly (on EWTN) and just obliterated Obama. Hopefully many Catholics were watching this...

Posted by: Jasper at August 30, 2008 12:29 AM


"And apparently one clearly is not trouble by the relationship between the development of language and the development of thought ..."

Clearly not trouble? I dont get it Snerd! HELP EXPLAIN IT TO ME!

Posted by: Oliver at August 30, 2008 12:30 AM


You have disapointed me Snerd...

Posted by: Oliver at August 30, 2008 12:35 AM


Oliver's-Twist: "... Clearly not trouble? I dont get it Snerd! "

SG-editorial-'Enhanced'-version: "... Clearly not trouble(D) ...

Oliver's-Twist: "... I dont get it Snerd! "

SG: Co(R)(R)ect ...!

One of the questions about this relationship is the effect that language has had on the way thought (and therefore our immediate experience), has been created ... Would our thinking-experience be different without language, for example?


Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 30, 2008 12:54 AM


For Life:

Very Well said.

I have a few black friends that I thought were pro-life but are voting for Obaba sinply becauae he's black. It' sad.

We know that racism and sexism has ended when we can select a candidate not based on their color or gender, but on the content of their character.

Posted by: HisMan at August 30, 2008 1:06 AM


SG: You make an interesting argument ... You argue for the credibility of the course you are taking ...

Jacq: "... It's kind of difficult to get into any doctoral program without a master's degree. Some allow for students to enroll right after college, take the equivilent [sic] of a masters in hours but skip the masters, mine does not. Doesn't really matter, I got my masters in a different (yet related field)... you must have an advanced degree in a related field to be considered, and even so, the slots are limited and very competitive. My program is the number 1 in the southwest, top 10 in the nation.

SG: And you argue that those who instruct in such an institution and instruct such courses only, are somehow deficient

It seems to me that either the course has credibility because of the instruction, or if the instruction is deficit then so is your education ...

Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 30, 2008 1:10 AM


Rapper Ludacris:

"Better yet put me in office, make me your vice president, Hillary hated on you, so that bitch is irrelevant...Paint the White House black and I’m sure that’s got ‘em terrified, McCain don’t belong in any chair unless he’s paralyzed....."

Obama on Ludacris(in Rolling Stone mag):

Ludacris is one of several “great talents and great businessmen”, “the genius of the art form.”

Posted by: Jasper at August 30, 2008 1:13 AM


How about this easy one? What is the area of a square if you know the diagonal of the square is 5? What is the area of an equalateral traingle if you know that one side is equal to 5?

You arent too stupid right?

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:45 PM"

Answers:

1) 12

2) 10.8253

Posted by: HisMan at August 30, 2008 1:14 AM


HisMan for VP ...!

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 30, 2008 1:20 AM


38,000,000 watch Obama's acceptance speech ... How many will watch Mc'Cane's'?

Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 30, 2008 1:37 AM


As exciting as this news is, we now have to deal with the inevitable: Every liberal idiot celebrity bashing Palin ad nauseum.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2008 2:02 AM


Hi Anonymous.

I agree. Am about to email Oprah and see if she has the guts to have Palin onher show.

Please post a name next time.
Thanks.

Posted by: carder at August 30, 2008 5:53 AM


Mary,

Just look at it this way. Sarah Palin got to be where she is by being Sarah Palin. Hillary got to where she is by being Mrs. Bill Clinton.

Actually, I'm starting to think that Bill got where he is because he's MR. Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: mk at August 30, 2008 7:43 AM


Snerdly:

Not a chance. Too many skeletons.

Posted by: HisMan at August 30, 2008 7:51 AM


I'd rather have Michael Palin of Monty
Python as VP than Sara, an anti-choice
fanatic. At least he'd be amusing.
I would NEVER vote for any anti-choice
politician.

Posted by: Robert Berger at August 30, 2008 8:09 AM


Ooooh!! I love Michael Palin!! Maybe they are related??
I also love that anyone who lives out values that are disagreed with is a fanatic. :)

Posted by: Carla at August 30, 2008 8:14 AM


Just emailed Oprah. Let's see if she's willing to interview "out of the box".

Posted by: carder at August 30, 2008 8:30 AM


Oliver @ 11:51 PM

Oliver - Snerd is not SoMG.

Additionally, it appears Snerd cannot vote in the US election.

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at August 30, 2008 8:30 AM


She's pro-life and that's wonderful. But so is Mike Huckabee and he had more executive experience than she did. Inexperience aside (and that's a huge feat), what does this choice say about McCain's judgment? A 72 year old with four bouts with cancer chooses an unknown governor and former small town mayor to be "ready on day one" if necessary to succeed him, in a post-9/11 world. PALIN will sit across from Putin and Medvedev? PALIN will handle a nuclear armed Pakistan? This isn't bold and risky; it's reckless. I am disgusted by his arrogance and clear disdain for the office. Putting Country First? My ass. He's putting an election first. Palin is the crappy gift you get that you pretend to love. Let's not be so myopic as to think that just because she's staunchly pro life, which is wonderful, that she's the best pick. She's not. I can think of few people who would be worse. John McCain may have just handed the election to Obama/Biden.

Posted by: voxoverguy at August 30, 2008 8:39 AM


Hisman,

That was for JKeller...

I guess he can answer the "trig" probability question for me.

Posted by: Oliver at August 30, 2008 9:26 AM


A 72 year old with four bouts with cancer chooses an unknown governor and former small town mayor to be "ready on day one" if necessary to succeed him, in a post-9/11 world. PALIN will sit across from Putin and Medvedev? PALIN will handle a nuclear armed Pakistan? This isn't bold and risky; it's reckless.

It's not like Palin will be on her own. You think Bush is on his own? These guys have specialists in everything, from the countries, the customs, and the issues at hand. In the meantime she will learn by doing - the best way to learn.
BTW, Obama already did his victory tour of Europe - except it was a little presumptuous.

Similarily if Obama dies, Biden for president? yuck.
This is a man who has absolutely NO moral principles. Pretends he belongs to a faith but doesn't follow any of it's teachings. Integrity -absolutely NONE.

Posted by: Patricia at August 30, 2008 9:30 AM


38,000,000 watch Obama's acceptance speech ... How many will watch Mc'Cane's'?

Snerd

Posted by: Snerd Gronk at August 30, 2008 1:37 AM

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I watched it and there's NO WAY I'm voting for him.

Who'll watch McCain's acceptance? Maybe the other 262 MILLION Americans that DIDN'T watch Obama.

Posted by: Kristen at August 30, 2008 9:34 AM


Snerd: "One of the questions about this relationship is the effect that language has had on the way thought (and therefore our immediate experience), has been created ... Would our thinking-experience be different without language, for example?"

Of course it would be different. I believe however that you are trying to link inteligence with grammar, or even eloquence. In my experience dealing with inteligent people, including my Grandfather with his 170+ IQ, much of the time these inteligent people actually struggle to express their thoughts properly. In my experience dealing with eloquent people, much of the time these eloquent people have no substance.

I think those who are eloquent, excell in order, or use their inteligence largely, to be eloquent.

Of course, I have only met "some" people, but of the hundreds of eloquent and inteligent people I have met, it seems to be that it is often one or the other.

Posted by: Oliver at August 30, 2008 9:39 AM


Snerd-

And you argue that those who instruct in such an institution and instruct such courses only, are somehow deficient

It seems to me that either the course has credibility because of the instruction, or if the instruction is deficit then so is your education ...

Try to keep up. The issue is not whether professors can teach, but whether they can can anything else. Furthermore, if they can do anything else, how does teaching prepare them for running a country? You seem to want to avoid this and talk about me. Methinks you have a crush on me. Good luck with that.

FYI: Both the university I got my masters in and the one I'm currently attending are top-ranked based on alumni success. It was fantastic. I was well-prepared to succeed and I did. But there are other traits besides education that are required for success: Leadership skills, decisiveness, tenacity, talent, calculated risk-taking, networking...skills which are integral in the business world which are not imperative in the classroom.

Posted by: Jacqueline at August 30, 2008 10:44 AM


It's so much FUN watching the Obama crowd play the lack of experience card... what a stroke of genious for McCain to oick a VP who would make the Obama camp try and bring the experience issue to the forefront. Sarah Palin was a great choice for this election and the additional experience she gets as VP will groom her to be the first woman president of the US.

Posted by: truthseeker at August 30, 2008 11:32 AM


I actually find it hilarious that pro-Obamaites are "insulted by Palin's lack of experience" but are enthralled by Obama, the radical, socialist, community activist turned IL. quick track legislator turned U.S Senator with Emil Jones calling the shots, who sat in the pews 20 years being "mentored" by Jeremiah Wright and soaked in "G-- D--- America" (he never would have stayed if he didn't agree), who has zero executive experience and has such a thin resume that if he were not African American he would have NEVER been a presidential candidate, now they are angry that a white woman is McCain's VP candidate because she is a young, vibrant, prolife woman. Talk about a bunch of hypocrits. And you want to know what it really comes down to? What they are really angry about is not her lack of experience (she has more executive experience than Obama actually) it is because she is a woman who is PROLIFE instead of pro-death and has 5 kids, including a DS baby to prove it. This is Obama and the pro-aborts worse nightmare come true. They were taken off guard because their whole game plan for attacking McCain and a white male VP has been destroyed. By the way, when she says God Bless America she really means it, her oldest son is headed to Iraq on 9-11.

Posted by: Prolifer L at August 30, 2008 12:22 PM


It's so much FUN watching the Obama crowd play the lack of experience card...

Truthseeker, the point is that McCain's been the one doing that.

I'm not saying that "experience" is necessarily a requirement. Look at all the "experienced" people we've had in the Presidency and in Congress....

Posted by: Doug at August 30, 2008 1:30 PM


I'm certainly not "angry" about Palin. I'm not saying she's a "bad" person at all; the question is what benefit or detriment will she be to the McCain campaign.

Biden may have helped Obama, but it wasn't much. Polls don't necessarily mean diddly, especially this far from the election, but things have see-sawed back and forth, basically from it being a toss-up to Obama have a significant lead.

So, this coming week should show us what impact Palin has.

Posted by: Doug at August 30, 2008 1:41 PM


Wasn't it the AFA that released a video encouraging people to pray for rain on the Democratic convention? How's that for ironic if the it's the Republican convention that ends up getting rained out by a hurricane?

Ray, have to laugh....

Posted by: Doug at August 30, 2008 1:43 PM


Ted will introduce her with a speech entitled, "9K Sa(R)ah; a b(R)idge to the futu(R)e"

Snerd, actually to Palin's credit, she saw the "Bridged to Nowhere" pork-barrel project for what it was.

Ted Stevens and Representative Don Young should be ashamed, but Palin did okay on the bridge.

Posted by: Doug at August 30, 2008 1:59 PM


Doug,

Rasmussen shows only a 4 point Obama lead and "bounces" almost always occur after conventions. Obama and McCain have been tied for the most part until then.

Posted by: Mary at August 30, 2008 3:12 PM


PL L 12:22PM

You must always remember that Obama, even though a 20 member of that church, was totally clueless as to what his pastor taught and believed.
If it was McCain making the same claim we'd never hear the end of his senility and questionable mental capacity.

Posted by: Mary at August 30, 2008 3:18 PM



I meant to say a 20 year member

Posted by: Mary at August 30, 2008 3:19 PM


Yes, I know Mary. McCain would be racist, bigoted and a member of the KKK for sitting through one church service where someone accused the U.S. government of infecting white people with the AIDS virus to commit white genocide, or called the President "the oppressor" who conspired to kill whites during Katrina but Obama gets a pass on sitting under "Black Liberation Theology" for 20 years. He is an "experienced statesman" that deserves to be elected President of all of the people of the U.S (however if you remember Wright his mentor called him just "a politician who will say anything to get elected", after Obama threw him under the bus). People wake up, if the tables were turned around in this situation, John McCain could never be considered a candidate for any public office let alone the presidency. The liberal agenda does not want to bring the people of this nation together but they want to actually silence anyone who stands for Biblical principles. I am praying for Jill and all the pro-lifers because they are going to fight her with everything they have got to discredit her and everyone like her who stands for LIFE.

Posted by: Prolifer L at August 30, 2008 3:56 PM


Miss Congeniality had about a 2 hour honeymoon. Obviously she is ridiculously unqualified,as the two major Alaska newspapers have already opined, but that is is the least of her problems.

Her support of banning abortion even in the case of rape, and forcing women to bear their rapist's child will soon explode in the MSM, and will topredo McCain's chances.

Posted by: LTL at August 30, 2008 5:40 PM


Torpedo.

Posted by: LTL at August 30, 2008 5:42 PM


"Rapist's child" is a horrible phrase. A friend of mine got pregnant as a result of rape. She continued the pregnancy, had a son and named him Daniel. He is her son, NOT a rapist's child!!

Posted by: Carla at August 30, 2008 7:12 PM


LTL,

Since you have such "concerns" about Palin being unqualified for the vice presidency, would you list for us Obama's qualifications to be president. Also, what qualified Hillary, other than 8 years in the white house and a term in the Senate thanks to the name Clinton, to be president?

Posted by: Mary at August 30, 2008 9:06 PM



I understand Angelina Jolie's adopted Ethiopian daughter is a "rapist's child". I see only a strikingly beautiful child, every bit the innocent victim her mother was. A child greatly loved and cherished. Her own mother allowed her adoption so as to give her daughter a better life.
I wonder how many of us descended from a "rapist's child".

Posted by: Mary at August 30, 2008 9:10 PM


Mary:

Great point about Hillary. She has done nothing as a New York State senator. In fact, things have gottten worse there during her term in office.

Economically, the State of New York, as a whole, is a ghost town. An economic disaster of Katrina proportions that never, ever gets talked about because the liberal New York media covered for her.

I am sure this would have become a major, major issue in the campaign if she had gotten the nod.

Posted by: HisMan at August 30, 2008 11:03 PM


Most of the comments by pro-aborts about Sarah Palin are actually expressions of fear.

What do they fear?

A women, not a man, that could crush them.

We've got pro-aborts exactly where we want them, running and scattering like rats when the lights are turned on.

Posted by: HisMan at August 30, 2008 11:08 PM


HisMan 11:03PM

Thank you. One can only imagine that Hillary looks like Ferdinand the Bull with the smoke billowing from her ears and nose. First Hillary loses out on what should have been her coronation tp some unknown, inexperienced upstart from Illinois. He didn't even vet her for VP, a humiliating slight for her but a wise move on his part not to give the Clintons a foot in the door.
Now Sarah Palin, some unknown moose hunting Alaska governor is in the limelight, a woamn who far outshines Hillary in background and credentials.
Poor Hillary is yesterday's news. It couldn't happen to a nicer person.
To think of how she put up with a philandering husband and public humiliation for all these years just to get this kick in the teeth.

Posted by: Mary at August 31, 2008 7:01 AM


"Okay, JKeller, tell me then. If you have a circle inscribed in an equilateral triangle, what is the probabilty of selecting a point located in the bottom left portion of the triangle where it does not intersect the circle. (The portion is defined by the minor arc that is created by the points where the circle "touches" the triangle and the line segments coming from those same points to the angle that is inbetween those same points.)


How about this easy one? What is the area of a square if you know the diagonal of the square is 5? What is the area of an equalateral traingle if you know that one side is equal to 5?

You arent too stupid right?

Posted by: Oliver at August 29, 2008 11:45 PM"

I answered the last two questions for JKeller and here's an attempt at the first question if I understand it correctly.

At = Area of Triangle
Ac = Area of Circle

Probability = (At-Ac)/3

where At is assumed to be 1.

Posted by: HisMan at August 31, 2008 10:17 AM


HisMan, yeah, it'd be the area of the triangle minus the area of the circle, then divided by three, regardless of what we assume the area of the triangle to be.

Oliver, a most excellent question, and to solve it I drew some more lines to subdivide the triangle and circle both.

I get a little less than a 1 in 7 chance, a little more than 13% probability.

Been a long time since I had to think of anything like that; to say I'm rusty is an understatement. But a lot of fun - thanks.

Posted by: Doug at August 31, 2008 12:25 PM


How about this easy one? What is the area of a square if you know the diagonal of the square is 5? What is the area of an equalateral traingle if you know that one side is equal to 5?


Answers:

1) 12

2) 10.8253


Hisman, #2 sounds right to me, but isn't the area of the square going to be 12.5?

Posted by: Doug at August 31, 2008 12:51 PM


I don't like Sarah Palin. Honestly, I think she was picked mostly for the fact that she is a woman. Whatever.

Also, there were at least three strikes against her when I read a little about her positions.

1) She is anti-abortion - you know my reasons.
2) She is against gay marriage, and no one should prevent two people in love from being married because SHE thinks it's not right.
3) She thinks creationism should be taught in schools alongside evolution, which I think is bull.

Posted by: Stephanie at August 31, 2008 7:41 PM


Stephanie, interestingly, those were the three things that made me immediately love her. :) You got them in the right order too!


Posted by: Bethany at August 31, 2008 8:15 PM


Bingo, Stephanie!!
Hi Bethany!!

Posted by: Carla at August 31, 2008 9:23 PM


Hi Carla! :)

Posted by: Bethany at August 31, 2008 10:19 PM


Mary, Obama has usually had a lead in the polls, with McCain getting a slight lead a handful of short-lived times. See the oscillator at the bottom.

This is not lost on McCain's campaign managers, and they were willing to really roll the dice and pick Palin. We should see how she affects the mix this week.


Posted by: Doug at September 1, 2008 6:53 PM