Still trying to spotlight all the major news articles published today on the new revelation that Barack Obama voted against identical Born Alive legislation as IL state senator that passed on the federal level overwhelmingly.
Washington Post, today, front page:
The narrative of the presidential campaign appeared to be set on the issue of abortion: Sen. Barack Obama was the abortion-rights candidate who was reaching out to foes, seeking common ground and making inroads. Sen. John McCain was the abortion opponent....
But both those impressions have been altered since the Rev. Rick Warren's Saddleback Civil Forum in CA ....Obama's hesitant statement at the forum that defining the beginning of life is "above my pay grade" took even some supporters by surprise. Since then, the National Right to Life Committee has challenged him on an obscure law that protects babies born alive after failed abortions, saying that his opposition to the measure in the IL state legislature proves he is an extremist....
"Since Saturday night, I've seen a lot of confusion in the younger Christian voting bloc because they thought they had figured this thing out," said Cameron Strang, editor of Relevant magazine....Abortion foes are now accusing Obama of being an abortion-rights extremist. In recent days, the NRLC has charged that Obama is misrepresenting his record to broaden his appeal. At issue is a measure in both IL and Congress called the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which defines as a protected human any life expelled from a mother. Abortion foes championed the cause when an IL nurse and antiabortion activist said some pre-viable fetuses were being aborted by inducing labor and then being allowed to die.
Obama, then a state senator, opposed the measure in 2001, saying it crossed the line of constitutionality and "essentially says that a doctor is required to provide treatment to a pre-viable child, or fetus."
As a committee chairman in the state Senate in 2003, Obama supported GOP efforts to add language to the act, copied from federal legislation, clarifying that it would have no legal impact on the availability of abortions. Obama then opposed the bill's final passage. Since then, he has said he would have backed the bill as it was written and approved almost unanimously the year before.
Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the NRLC, charged that Obama is trying to have it both ways because the IL bill he opposed was virtually identical to the federal law he said he would support.
Obama aides acknowledged yesterday that the wording of the state and federal bills was virtually identical. But, they added, the impact of a state law is different, because detailed abortion procedures and regulations are governed by states. Johnson and others are oversimplifying the situation, aides said.
"They have not been telling the truth," Obama told the Christian Broadcasting Network in response to a question on the matter. "And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying."...
Read the entire article below.
Washington Post
Candidates' abortion views not so simple
by Jonathan Weisman
August 20, 2008; A01
The narrative of the presidential campaign appeared to be set on the issue of abortion: Sen. Barack Obama was the abortion-rights candidate who was reaching out to foes, seeking common ground and making inroads. Sen. John McCain was the abortion opponent whose reticence about faith and whose battles on campaign finance laws drew suspect glances from would-be supporters.
But both those impressions have been altered since the Rev. Rick Warren's Saddleback Civil Forum in California on Saturday.
Obama's hesitant statement at the forum that defining the beginning of life is "above my pay grade" took even some supporters by surprise. Since then, the National Right to Life Committee has challenged him on an obscure law that protects babies born alive after failed abortions, saying that his opposition to the measure in the Illinois state legislature proves he is an extremist.
McCain's performance at the forum seemed to hearten many conservatives, not only because of his firm, uncompromising stand against abortion but his broader appeals on global warming, genocide and the embrace of causes greater than self. But the clarity that McCain exhibited at Saddleback has been somewhat diminished with his suggestion that his running mate might favor abortion rights.
"Since Saturday night, I've seen a lot of confusion in the younger Christian voting bloc because they thought they had figured this thing out," said Cameron Strang, editor of Relevant magazine, which is aimed at a new generation of evangelicals. "There's no absolutely right candidate for an evangelical, and there's no absolutely wrong candidate. They're both right, and they're both wrong."
On paper, this campaign looks fairly standard. Obama, an Illinois Democrat, is staunchly in favor of abortion rights, while McCain, an Arizona Republican, has compiled a solid record over four Senate terms of opposing abortion.
But McCain has repeatedly been at odds with the National Right to Life Committee and other antiabortion groups over his efforts to limit their ability to run pointed "issue advocacy" advertisements in the closing weeks of campaigns. Although his voting record is strictly antiabortion, he has never made religiosity or social issues centerpieces of his political persona. And his 2000 labeling of evangelists Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell as "agents of intolerance" deepened evangelical suspicions.
"To be perceived as authentic on this issue, you need to have some grounding in it, and usually that grounding is faith," said Douglas W. Kmiec, a Pepperdine University professor of constitutional law who opposes abortion but supports Obama.
As McCain moves toward naming a running mate, he has not backed off a suggestion to the conservative Weekly Standard that his pick could favor abortion rights. Speculation on whom that could be has centered on former Pennsylvania governor Tom Ridge and independent Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut.
Similarly, Obama has made a show of reaching out to abortion opponents to find common ground on pregnancy prevention and adoption. He has urged evangelicals and Catholics to expand the definition of "pro-life" to include opposing torture, poverty and unnecessary war. In the Democratic primary, Obama was criticized by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign and others for being insufficiently committed to abortion rights because he did not cast some votes on the issue in the Illinois legislature.
Abortion foes are now accusing Obama of being an abortion-rights extremist. In recent days, the National Right to Life Committee has charged that Obama is misrepresenting his record to broaden his appeal. At issue is a measure in both Illinois and Congress called the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which defines as a protected human any life expelled from a mother. Abortion foes championed the cause when an Illinois nurse and antiabortion activist said some pre-viable fetuses were being aborted by inducing labor and then being allowed to die.
Obama, then a state senator, opposed the measure in 2001, saying it crossed the line of constitutionality and "essentially says that a doctor is required to provide treatment to a pre-viable child, or fetus."
As a committee chairman in the state Senate in 2003, Obama supported GOP efforts to add language to the act, copied from federal legislation, clarifying that it would have no legal impact on the availability of abortions. Obama then opposed the bill's final passage. Since then, he has said he would have backed the bill as it was written and approved almost unanimously the year before.
Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee, charged that Obama is trying to have it both ways because the Illinois bill he opposed was virtually identical to the federal law he said he would support.
Obama aides acknowledged yesterday that the wording of the state and federal bills was virtually identical. But, they added, the impact of a state law is different, because detailed abortion procedures and regulations are governed by states. Johnson and others are oversimplifying the situation, aides said.
"They have not been telling the truth," Obama told the Christian Broadcasting Network in response to a question on the matter. "And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying."
At Saddleback, McCain won plaudits from conservatives when he said that life begins "at the moment of conception," especially after Obama deflected the question.
But the inroads McCain made are now threatened by his flirtation with a running mate who supports abortion rights.
"I think that the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party. And I also feel that -- and I'm not trying to equivocate here -- that Americans want us to work together," McCain told the Weekly Standard.
Conservative commentator David Limbaugh slammed the idea yesterday, warning that McCain "would make a fatal mistake to assume that social issues, especially abortion, are ever off an equally blazing front burner for an inestimable number of social conservatives."
Abortion remains an important issue to a large portion of the electorate, but it is not the biggest. An early August poll for Time magazine found that one in five likely voters would not consider voting for a candidate who did not share their views on abortion. Twenty-six percent of Republicans saw the issue as decisive, compared with 18 percent of Democrats.
Comments:
"Black leaders from around the country will hold a Power in the Park rally and press conference on August 25, 2008, 8:30 am at Martin Luther King Park, one block from the largest Planned Parenthood abortuary in the nation.
Although black women comprise 6% of the population, they receive nearly 40% of the abortions in America. The leading abortion providers exploit blacks by placing 94% of abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.
The number one taker of black life is abortion, and it’s time people woke up to that fact. The location of this latest Planned Parenthood facility in yet another minority neighborhood is a part of the continuing fulfillment of the racist, eugenicist dream of their founder, Margaret Sanger, but it is a travesty of the American dream. Planned Parenthood’s agenda discards the principle that we are all created equal, which is the basis of liberty for all Americans.” - Alan Keyes" (AP)
Obama cannot lie his way out of his infanticide votes any longer. As horrendous as abortion is for some people, he was the only senator to vote against a law to protect babies who underwent botched abortions but were born alive.
Black Americans are outrage!!!!
Who let this far, left radical into the DNC!!!!!!!!!
"Abortion foes" wow. It sounds like we should be hiding in dark cornors in snazzy supervillin costumes.
Posted by: lauren at August 20, 2008 8:49 PMAnon:
Isn't a shame that the first black Presidential nominee ever is willing to be an extreme pro-abort and supporter of Planned Parenthood when they are willing to accept donations that are specifically targeted against black babies? Why has Mr. Obama never expressed any outrage whatsoever against this? Why has the media never asked this question of him?
Yes, the racism of Democrats and the media is finally being exposed. They're hidden agenda; let's get blacks to vote for us so we can control the black population through legal abortion.
It's time abortion was made illegal. It's time this country turned away from this national holocaust. It's time for Christians to repent of their silence on this issue.
Black America, I call on you to finally recognize and hold accountable the racism of the Democratic Party.
Let me ask you this black leaders. Which minority has surpassed you in number? That's right, pro-life Hispanics. Stop buying into the lies of the Democrats that are killing your race.
If Democrats really cared about blacks they would be pro-life and they would establish programs to encourage black and all women to have their babies, not kill them.
My story: I am a dark skinned Italian who grew up in a black neighborhood in New York State. My best friends were black. As an adult, a lot of my freinds are black. It breaks my heart that so many blacks are destroyed by the lies of the Democratic Party. It's time for all that to change.
And Yes Anon, Alan Keyes, a black man, is one the greatest political minds in this country.
John McCain, you really want to be a Maverick? Select Alan Keyes as your running mate. If not Alan, then Mike Huckabee.
Posted by: HisMan at August 20, 2008 8:58 PMOff-topic I know but come on Usain Bolt, run hard and get a new world record.
Posted by: Doug at August 20, 2008 8:59 PMYEAH
Posted by: Doug at August 20, 2008 9:00 PMJohn McCain, you really want to be a Maverick? Select Alan Keyes as your running mate. If not Alan, then Mike Huckabee.
Oh come on McCain, don't be a piker - pick HisMan!
Posted by: Doug at August 20, 2008 9:02 PMObama voted to let living children die.
His campaign for the presidency will die the same death.
THANK YOU JILL for your braveness in speaking the truth!
Posted by: gander at August 20, 2008 9:03 PMLauren:
Make no mistake. Abortion is a sacrament in the Church of Planned Parenthood whose sacred icon really should be a dead baby nailed to a Swastika.
Posted by: HisMan at August 20, 2008 9:05 PMBy the way, Mike Huckabee would be a great VP pick after this news with his strong pro-life record.
Posted by: gander at August 20, 2008 9:05 PMNAME THE BABY BOY!
Do you believe in destiny? Do you believe in fate? Have you heard, "I was destined to be a _____? It was my fate."
When a ten-year old child dies, the parents say, "he wanted to be a ___________. That's all he thought about." That child was destined to be just that.
Does a fetus have a destiny also? Who was that child destined to be? The first woman President? The first person on Mars? The inventor of the cure for cancer or AIDS? Another Elvis? BUT WHAT IF THAT FETUS THAT WAS ONE OF THE ABOVE, ABORTED? NO CURE FOR CANCER?
NO MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THE ABORTION ISSUE YOU ARE ON, DON'T YOU WONDER WHO THAT PERSON COULD HAVE BEEN?
"How do you know that you didn't abort the next Einstein?"
Does a fetus feel pain? Why do they have loud music in the abortion room? So you don't hear the baby scream?
I can't imagine laying there and thinking that the fetus is being sucked into a machine. Isn't that person scarred for life? Depressed? Mad? Sad? Do they take out their frustrations on loved ones? They never get over it and probably wonder "what if I had the baby?"
Posted by: Steve Chavez at August 20, 2008 9:29 PMTHE "DESTINY" POST FROM ABOVE IS MY GIFT TO PRO-LIFE.
On your poster or flyer you need a picture of a fetus in the womb with a comment balloon above it and inside it says, "What's my destiny? First woman President? Next Einstein? Inventor of the cure of breast cancer?(etc.) You'll never know if you abort me!"
IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE DEBATE, THIS IS THE WAY! ALL GROUPS LISTED MUST COPY THIS NOW!
Posted by: Steve Chavez at August 20, 2008 9:38 PMSteve Chavez @ 9:14,
Awesome idea!
Posted by: Janet at August 20, 2008 9:48 PMTo Steve Chavez,
Since protesting for Life since 1981, I have heard every argument for and against, but your "destiny" comment is the best I have ever heard. Our tactics have obviously not worked as we are more scorned than the abortionists. All we try to do is stop this practice and we are the ones who are abused. My wife and I stand, at least once a week, around an abortion clinic which is on a main street. We get yelled at with the biggest of insults.
Your post is a gift. I will now use this on my next poster and on my new flyers. As I am writing, I am crying tears of joy. This IS the answer. Thank you!
Posted by: Will at August 20, 2008 10:04 PMNo man should be a president on these conditions such as Obamam did voting no to save a child of that should live.
Posted by: William Horton at August 20, 2008 10:07 PMAn extremist is anyone who accepts murder as an answer.
Posted by: Jon at August 20, 2008 10:08 PMSorry Doug:
I'm not yet ready to disclose Johnny's and my recent talks up here in beautiful Sedona, Arizona, the most beautiful place on God's green earth, regarding selection of a VP. While I am in consideration, Mike Huckabee IS the man.
Actually, we've been too busy tuning in to the vortex all the Democrats say is up here. We're trying to hear what they're saying in our "cone of silence" so we can think of what to say in our next debate against Boraxo Oshama. It's kind of funny, John is a SNL Conehead fan and when we tune in to the vortex, he wantsus all to wear those cone head things. After the election, I e-mail you a photo.
This so far though, Acoma says "ying" we say "yang". Duhrock says "yang" we say "ying". He says "uh, um, uh, eh, oh, em, uh, ooh", we say, "slam bam, thank you mam".
And something else we've heard on the Sedona vortex Planned Parenthood hot line to hell wire, "Obama, Obama, this is Howard, you know, Howard Dean. Look, promise me you'll never utter the words 'pay grade' again in public. Oh, and when you lie, try not to twitch that left eyebrow and lift that lower lip, I'm afraid the body language experts will out you on that. One more thing, Hillary asked me if you would consider being her running mate....how 'bout it?
Yes, and we do eat crystals for breakfast. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........
Posted by: HisMan at August 20, 2008 10:51 PMSorry Doug:
I'm not yet ready to disclose Johnny's and my recent talks up here in beautiful Sedona, Arizona, the most beautiful place on God's green earth, regarding selection of a VP. While I am in consideration, Mike Huckabee IS the man.
Actually, we've been too busy tuning in to the vortex all the Democrats say is up here. We're trying to hear what they're saying in our "cone of silence" so we can think of what to say in our next debate against Boraxo Oshama. It's kind of funny, John is a SNL Conehead fan and when we tune in to the vortex, he wantsus all to wear those cone head things. After the election, I e-mail you a photo.
This so far though, Acoma says "ying" we say "yang". Duhrock says "yang" we say "ying". He says "uh, um, uh, eh, oh, em, uh, ooh", we say, "slam bam, thank you mam".
And something else we've heard on the Sedona vortex Planned Parenthood hot line to hell wire, "Obama, Obama, this is Howard, you know, Howard Dean. Look, promise me you'll never utter the words 'pay grade' again in public. Oh, and when you lie, try not to twitch that left eyebrow and lift that lower lip, I'm afraid the body language experts will out you on that. One more thing, Hillary asked me if you would consider being her running mate....how 'bout it?
Yes, and we do eat crystals for breakfast. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........
Posted by: HisMan at August 20, 2008 11:10 PMWhat I find so funny about all these new excuses about his stance on the vote is that even if they are justified...which is certainly going to be hard to establish...even if they are...why did he not just come out and say these were the reasons to start with? Why would he say the only reason is that the wording was different?
By the way I enjoyed Jill's alternative explanation...he didnt know what he was doing and is therefore imcompetent. I think I like this one better than the indifferent to human life explanation.
Posted by: Oliver at August 20, 2008 11:38 PMpro-life and pro war...hypocrytes...it's ok to kill when they're grown...abortion is a woman's decision...if ur wife, daughter,sister get raped and become pregnant will you keep the baby and love the baby regardless...and how many of you so called pro life have adopted any kids...rest my case...u want to dig dirt,,go after Mccain who came close to fail the naval academy, because of his wild life...what about his wife and their dirty laundry....start to get used to having a black man as ur leader...
Posted by: charles at August 20, 2008 11:49 PMNice Charles. Thanks for contributing so much to the conversation....
Posted by: Oliver at August 20, 2008 11:58 PMChuck:
Good try.
Please see my responses to your rather old, unoriginal drool on previous posts.
Let me know if you're too lazy to look them up and I'll do it FOR you.
Posted by: HisMan at August 21, 2008 12:16 AMJill,
Great blog - I so respect your life's work on behalf of life. Have you seen this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc
Do you think it is legit? Did Obama use that kind of rationale?
Thanks!
Alex
HisMan, I can't believe it but you wrote: "And Yes Anon, Alan Keyes, a black man, is one the greatest political minds in this country."
HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAAHAAHHA ROTFL.
Seriously, what has he ever said that was original??? He consistantly parrots the right-wing party line in everything. Is there a single issue on which he disagrees with, say, William Kristol? He's as uncritically loyal as, well, Clarence Thomas.
Alan Keyes is not a "great political mind" but he is a talented vocalist. His training as an opera singer enables him to use volume and pitch control to enhance the listerners' perception of his points. By using his voice to indicate where the important parts of an argument are and in what way they are important, he is able to make more complex arguments understood. This allows him to appear more intelligent than he is. Apart from that the only remarkable thing about him is his extreme loyalty to right-wing ideology which apparently includes sacrificing his relationship with his daughter. Family values, you know.
How about you, HisMan? Will you cut your kid off if (s)he turns out gay?
Posted by: SoMG at August 21, 2008 1:51 AMI don't know, SoMG, but I'm guessing that Alan Keyes tries to be uncritically loyal to the Lord. I respect such loyalty more than I respect great intelligence. It is often more wise.
Posted by: Jon at August 21, 2008 5:20 AMAlex,
That video was awesome. Colmes kept reading that
"law" last night on the show after Jill was on and I kept wishing someone would address it! This video shows that even if there was a law, Obama wished there wasn't! Unbeleivable.
They complain if we say all babies should be given equal care after their born, because preemies viability is difficult to determine, but then balk when we say bring in another opinion.
All hail the right to choose. It overrides every other right in the world!
PHOOEY!
Posted by: mk at August 21, 2008 7:28 AMA quick reminder-
Please pick a name when commenting. Anonymous comments will be deleted. Also please take a moment to proofread before hitting post. We could do without swearing, name-calling and insults.
Thanks and Welcome!
The Mod Squad
MK,
But who is going to pay for all these medical expenses to keep these babies alive?!!
Sick of that one too.
Posted by: Carla at August 21, 2008 7:42 AMstart to get used to having a black man as ur leader...
I'm black, I've had black parents, grandparents tell me what's right all my life. My husband's black, my kids are used to him "leading" them. We are quite used to it. Still not voting for Obama. Regardless of what race he is (because it doesn't matter), his stance on abortion and sex without responsibility has done nothing but harm "my" people.
FWIW, I find it incredibly distasteful the notion of voting for or against someone on the basis of race.
Posted by: Pansy Moss at August 21, 2008 8:05 AMCarla,
I guess putting a price on someones life is just a small step after making a law that totally trashes the same life.
How can we be surprised when people balk at the expense of keeping a human being alive, when just moments before they were attempting to kill it?
Posted by: mk at August 21, 2008 8:53 AMNothing SHOULD surprise me anymore, I guess. And yet, it does.
Posted by: Carla at August 21, 2008 8:59 AMAgreed, Pansy
Posted by: carder at August 21, 2008 9:34 AMI'm not yet ready to disclose Johnny's and my recent talks up here in beautiful Sedona, Arizona, the most beautiful place on God's green earth, regarding selection of a VP. While I am in consideration, Mike Huckabee IS the man.
HisMan, great post and I appreciate your humor. I haven't been paying attention to any of the Vice-Presidential stuff, but if Huckabee is getting serious consideration I'd be surprised.
Posted by: Doug at August 21, 2008 9:58 AMEven Huffpo (The Huffington Post, a weblog/site run by Arianna Huffington) has had some articles about BAIPA, of course the two I've seen they called it a 'smear'.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/20/obama-infanticide-smear-g_n_120138.html
and
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/04/the-next-smear-against-ob_n_116891.html
Both articles were written by Seth Colter Walls, whoever that is, but he sounds like an apologist for Obama just from a google search.
Anyway, I wanted to state that even the Huffpo crowd is questioning Obama. The comments on both articles is fairly critical (1 or 2 in 10) are believing the charges. I must point out that Huffpo is probably the more reasonable of the 'liberal' sites at least as compared to DU and Kos. Most of the comments are the usual bashing of religion, especially the religious right, and chanting a womans right to choose, bla bla, but some are actually thought provoking, such as:
"The facts seem to support his opponents on this and his campaign has now completely back pedaled on their repeated incorrect claims the Illinois bill didn't match the US Senate bill since it does. His official claim in now that he was working against some now identified package of bills of which this bill was a part. He is a Harvard educated law professor, he should be able to fully explain exactly what he believes, why he voted the way he did and make his case to all of us. Why doesn't he?"
and
"What exactly is Obama's reply. Is he for or against life support for accidently living aborted babies?
The devaluing of life in this country is becoming scary. Except for rape, incest, or profound danger to the mother... there should be profound difficulty involved in getting an abortion. I hesitate being for eliminating it all together... but... children are not inconveniences they are gifts. In regards to economy or public welfare... more abortions do nothing positive."
End of story:
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/08/bornalive.html
Complete and detailed history of the "controversy"
Posted by: Hal at August 21, 2008 11:37 AMI don't know. Hal. Look like Zorn is as obfusactingly inaccurate as Obama. Look at my post above and see what real thinking Americans say.
Posted by: Andy at August 21, 2008 1:11 PMWhat is inaccurate in Zorn's summary?
Isn't Zorn a real thinking American? Isn't Obama?
Posted by: Hal at August 21, 2008 1:16 PMHal Thanks for the Zorn article, which fully addresses the "controversy". Those who are willing to listen and reason will view this as the "end of the story".
Those who refuse to reason and listen will continue to scream "infanticide", and there is nothing anyone can do to change their minds.
Lauren, you were right in this statement except the word black should preceed baby...
Make no mistake. Abortion is a sacrament in the Church of Planned Parenthood whose sacred icon really should be a dead baby nailed to a Swastika.
While abortion is a crime against the unborn of all races, it should be noted that it is especially directed at the black community.
My heart and soul weeps for those that are unable to weep.
Posted by: Ed at August 21, 2008 2:04 PMSorry, I didn't mean inaccurate; read obfusactingly confusing, instead. That better.
OK, dude, I followed your link, now follow mine (to the Huffpo) and see what real people think.
Posted by: Andy at August 21, 2008 2:52 PMwho defines "real people?"
Here's a good link I got from your link:
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/08/19/fact_check_born_alive_1.php
Thanks Hal but I already have that one. I count at least 4 different reasons Barrack gave for that faux paus: 1-> Threaten Roe V Wade, 2-> Cause more inconvenience to women/doctors, 3-> There was already a federal bill and 4-> It was unconstitutional.
Which one does he prefer?
Or is he going to offer more?
Give it up Hal, the man is a sleaze.
Posted by: Andy at August 21, 2008 4:52 PMThose seem like four good reasons to me.
Posted by: Hal at August 21, 2008 7:22 PMHal,
Since when do you care about reasoning?
Posted by: Oliver at August 21, 2008 11:15 PMOne day in the future people will say:
"JILL STANEK's excellent work on Barack Obama's opposition to a bill promoting infanticide and her exposing his rejection of this bill was the turning point of the 2008 election."
Posted by: Ezek13:19 at August 22, 2008 2:10 AMHal,
Thanks for the link to the Zorn article. It is so much fun (laughable really) to see people trying to paint Obama's positions on abortion as something other than extreme...lol I can't wait to see if my post makes it past the moderators.
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Jill Stanek is a nurse turned speaker, columnist and blogger, a national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.