"I am absolutely convinced that culture wars are so '90s," said Barack Obama during his July 2007 speech at a Planned Parenthood Action Fund event. ""Their days are growing dark.... We're tired of arguing about the same old stuff."

Barack Obama just doesn't get it.

The eternal truth that abortion is murder will never change and we will not rest until the stench of it's pollution is totally defeated and eliminated from our land.

And who can forget the priceless moment when her daughter Piper was licking her hand and slicking back her baby brother Trig's hair?

I loved her quips and digs as well. Come on, lighten up people, your guy set himself up for them. Lowering the ocean levels, healing the planet. Was this before or after his daily stroll across Lake Michigan? The Greek temple comment was a hoot as well.
One can only imagine how Hillary feels seeing what should have been her moment of glory lost to some unknown smooth talking upstart from Chicago and some moosehunting soccer mom who runs some iceberg that isn't even part of the lower 48.
After putting up with that bum Bill for years, the name Clinton would go far, even unleashing her attack dogs to destroy the women who accused him, she gets this kick in the teeth! She must look like Ferdinand the Bull with the smoke billowing from her nose and ears.

As I watched McCain and Palin last night it struck me how much I feel like I'm voting not so much for "political candidates" as an awesome set of parent!

A war hero, man's man, dad and a savvy, cool, tough, no nonsense, mom. Throw in honesty, compassion and
a sense of humor and these two are the greatest set of "parents" I have ever seen.

With so many in America acting like petulant children, whining "I want, I want"...a little tough parenting is exactly what we need.

You want to know what hope is Mr. Obama. Look to republicans now that Sarah is on the ticket. We HOPE that America can once again be a place that the world looks up to. We hope that we will become a nation that is not afraid of a fight. We hope to become a nation that treasures it's greatest natural resource...it's children.

And we HOPE that we will become that house on the block that ALL the other kids want to hang out at.

The Comedy Central writers for The Daily Show produced a satirical "textbook" on American history called America (The Book):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_(The_Book)

It's a very funny book, in spite of being highly offensive in many ways. Hey, it's satire. Anyway ... in the chapter about the Supreme Court, the authors included a colorful guide to landmark Court decision throughout history. For Roe v. Wade, the authors sarcastically wrote that the Supreme Court declared a constitutional right to abortion, thereby settling the matter forever.

Yeah, right. ;)

Roe actually intensified the culture wars by short-circuiting the democratic process. Instead of coming to a reasonable compromise that would have satisfied most Americans -- even if that compromise would have been unacceptable to the activists on both sides -- the Supreme Court simply overturned every abortion law and gave us nationwide abortion-on-demand. The extremity of their decision, coupled with the highly-dubious call that abortion is a "Constitutional right," has cranked up pro-life passions to a fever pitch. The Court doesn't care. Subsequent Court decisions on abortion have made their opinion even more clear: Americans should shut up and accept the wisdom of the Court.

No. Not gonna happen. Abolitionists didn't accept slavery, and we're not gonna accept over a million dead children every year.

Newsflash! gasp! Cindy McCain disagrees with Palin on abortion for rape and incest.
Uh, so what?
These is a newsworthy event?

Imagine your disappointment four years from now if McCain wins and abortion is just as legal as it is now.

Hal,

I can honestly say that this is the first time when I am voting for OTHER issues. If abortion is still legal, I will still be content for other reasons.

School choice.
Offshore drilling.
Taxcuts.
Supreme court justices.

While abortion is the MOST IMPORTANT issue, this time around it is not the ONLY issue! How totally refreshing.

Plus, we'll get to be the party that goes down in history as the one that elected the first woman to the second highest office in the country.

Oh, and then we'll get to be the party that elects the first female PRESIDENT!

GO SARAH! GO MAC!

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 10:33 AM

And imagine the pro-aborts disappointment that the FOCA wouldn't have been signed.

Why would we care if FOCA is signed or not? If women in America get still have access to legal abortions, I'll be satisfied.

School choice mk? What's that?

Offshore drilling? some is okay, some is not. None of it will solve our current problems. Not a big issue.

Taxcuts. Yes, Obama.

Supreme Court justices. Obama again.

Imagine your disappointment four years from now if McCain wins and abortion is just as legal as it is now.

Such a noble, enlightened species are the human beings! The men need laws to stop them from killing each other; the women need laws to stop them from killing their babies. And the "doctors" need laws to stop them from killing their patients. What a wonderful world!

If I were an anti-choice extremist, I would be very disappointed with last night's speech, which did not contain a single word about ending abortion. If Palin doesn't even have the courage to state her extremist views in public, what are the odds she will follow through on them?

McCain/Palin will do nothing for the "social conservatives" and why would they? Every 4 years, after an elaborate and silly dance the evangelicals and social conservatives vote Republican. Since their vote is guaranteed, why would the GOP feel any obigation to them?

I was rather surprised by Palin's enthusiastic claim to be a "Hockey Mom", in view of her daughter being impregnated by a vulgar lout who plays hockey.

Palin's history in Alaska will continue to hit the media on an hourly or daily basis, and the Palin myth will be destroyed long before the election.

The voters have clearly honed in on the cynical use of a woman to promote an anti-woman agenda, and have already made their own determination as to her lack of qualifications for the office. For every social conservative brought out to vote, three independents will vote the other way, and McCain's "hail mary" pass will be intercepted in the end zone, to end the game.

Well LTL,

You're not a PLer and we're not the least bit disappointed.

Can we say "sour grapes"?

The Quote of the Convention, IMHO:

"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."

Gov. Sarah Palin

Impressive voting record of Barack Obama...

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/

Or maybe not.

I hope Palin talks abortion, i honestly do, for purely selfish reasons though.

If her views go out publicly and often, it's likely some voters will be turned off by her far right view, as overall most Americans do seem fairly moderate about abortion overall.

Secondly, I think that could lead to political gaffes on her end, not that they won't happen anyway.

Thirdly, if she focuses on abortion for whatever reason, it makes the Obama campaign look all that much better for pushing the economy issue and the need for research into renewable energy, etc.

Posted by: mk at September 4, 2008 10:37 AM

MK, don't you find that funny? Chicago just had a big boycott because of the schools. Yet they'll vote for Obama who will do nothing about the schools in Chicago and pass up a Republican who wants to allow for school vouchers to make it possible for inner-City kids to go to a better school. It doesn't make sense to me.

Obama has a voting record? Oh, wait. As your source points out, NOPE.

Do you really want the President of the Untied States doing anything with Chicago Schools? I thought we all supported local control of school issues.

I don't want the Federal Government messing with local politics. Do you?

I can't wait for Jill's disappointment when Obama wins.

Sarah Palin may excite the base, but her messy past and out-of-control brood are scaring swing voters right in to Obama's waiting arms. Grown-up voters want a responsible adult in charge, not an Alaskan Britney Spears.

Kristen,
Good point. When Obama was doing whatever it is community organizers do, he was all about reforming the Chicago Public School system. Then the Chicago Teachers Union dumped money into his campaign, and poof! suddenly reform was no longer necessary.

That has been O's pattern his entire political career. Pontificate about hope and change, but as soon as he gets himself into a position to actually implement reform, he opts for politics as usual. And that's Chicago style politics as usual, which is about as down and dirty as you can get.

MK, I hate to break it to you, but...

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/

John McCain hasn't shown up for a single vote all year.

Reality,

By "out of control brood" are you referring to Joe Biden's son who was just indicted for swindling millions and his daughter who was arrested for disorderly conduct?

Hal,
The point is that he didn't do anything about the Chicago Public Schools when he worked on the local and state level. He talked reform, but then became beholden to the CTU. Once that happened, reform was off the table. Obama is every other Chicago puppet politician in a new suit. Its the same old, same old. He's entrenched in the status quo. You are sadly mistaken if you actually believe he will reform anything.

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 11:29 AM

Gee, I hope that the president does do something about the Chicago schools. Because it's obvious that our worthless governor is not going to do anything. The schools are falling down, the kids aren't safe, and a host of other issues.

Vouchers are the best thing for those kids. My husband is a teacher and even he agrees, in fact 80% of the teachers in our district agree. Why should those kids be at a disadvantage. Our district spends $10,700/per student. It's one of the top, if not the top, districts in the state. Chicago spends $11,300 but it's a complete failure.

But you're right, Obama has better things to do than worry about the education of those students. His daughters certainly won't be attending one of "those" schools.

[O]verall most Americans do seem fairly moderate about abortion.

Yes, I'm a killer, but I'm a moderate killer. I don't kill all people; I only kill the ones I don't like. Americans believe in a woman's right to kill!

Posted by: Jon at September 4, 2008 11:41 AM

LOL! I read that too and thought "Huh?"

Moderate as in how? Like vices in moderation? I'll have a glass of wine on Monday and Wednesday and an abortion on Tuesday.

Today's Wall Street Journal has an excellent article on Palin's record as mayor and governor.

Reality 11:29 referred to Mrs. Palin's "out-of-control brood."

Mary 11:38, I think Reality was referring to Sarah Palin's son who will soon go to Iraq to serve as a soldier. You know, these American soldiers are such a lawless bunch. No discipline whatsoever.

Jon, 11:49am

How true. I can imagine what a terror little Trig is and that older loving sister of his who held him and smoothed his hair, why she really made me shudder.

"I can't wait for Jill's disappointment when Obama wins."

The real issue here is where would Obama be if the MSM were not so happily leading the charge on his behalf? The answer is that he would be down 10 to 20 points.

The electorate will learn during the coming weeks and from the debates that Obama is an angry young man that has no experience. They will learn of his condescension and his arrogance. They will learn of his extreme liberalism. And finally they will learn that Obama is a socialist in the same vein as Saul Alinsky.

An old maxim in the business world is that first class people hire first class people, and that second class people hire third class people. McCain was not afraid to bring on Palin. He wants someone of her dynamic calibre to round out the ticket. He is not afraid of her independence.

Obama on the other hand feared that the politically superior Hillary Clinton would overshadow his inexperience. He went instead for the long time political gadfly Joe Biden who will gladly take the crumbs Obama offers in return for his day in sun. This poor judgment on his part could be his undoing. Almost universally political pundits on both sides said it would have been Obama in a slam dunk with Hil on the ticket.

Bottom line: Obama does not have this wrapped up. You can bet his people are nervous as h___. The wagers among us may want to hedge their bets.

But you're right, Obama has better things to do than worry about the education of those students. His daughters certainly won't be attending one of "those" schools.

Don't be ridiculous. I've already told you he plans on spending (SPENDING??? NOT BARACK) 10 BILLION dollars on year to educate newborns!!!!

Of Course he cares about education!

Don't be ridiculous. I've already told you he plans on spending (SPENDING??? NOT BARACK) 10 BILLION dollars on year to educate newborns!!!!

Posted by: mk at September 4, 2008 12:06 PM

That's right! Silly me, I forgot. But surely you MEANT to say "...to educate the newborns he didn't kill." Correct?

Oops, my mistake. Indeed, maybe he'll only have to spend 9 million a year...considering the millions that won't need to be educated. Or maybe instead of saving the lives of those accidentally born, he can just teach them to speak Portuguese? Or read them A Tale of Two Cities!

but, Kristen, Mr. Obama detests infanticide--he just doesn't know what to call "pre-viable fetuses" or "whatever." The beginning of human life is above is paygrade.

"Gee, I hope that the president does do something about the Chicago schools."

Kindly point out the part of the Constitution of the United States that gives the Federal Government control of local school districts.

The beginning of human life is above is paygrade.

So, let's see. He doesn't know when "0" begins, but whenever it is, they had better be EDUCATED properly!

What I'd like to know is this: What IS within Obama's "paygrade" ????

Reality,

Thanks for posting John McCain's voting record!!

I checked both Obama and McCain on their voting record versus their party's stance from present back till 4/24/07.

Obama bucked his party 3 times.

McCain bucked his party 19 times.

Im sure if I kept going the ratio would keep up.

Remember guys...Obama is for change and reform! Hes stood up to his party...3 times...in 2 years...

If Obama actually pulls this out (ewwww!!!!!) we might be teaching newborns Farsi and Arabic.

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 12:12 PM

Hmm. I don't know. Maybe "promote the general welfare."

Obama probably reads that as "Give more money to those poor ignorant kids who went to those crappy schools that I had no constitutional power to make better."

Yes, he's right. He's quite the constitutional "scholar."

year and a half*

Mary and Jon,

Like it or not, Joe Biden and his family aren't tabloid trash. One of his sons is an Attorney General and a soldier, set to deploy to Iraq in October. His other son is a lawyer, and his daughter is a social worker. They're all grown up.

Sarah Palin is still raising her kids, and doing a lousy job of it. Where was she when her oldest daughter was getting knocked-up at 17? (And she's got two more younger daughters; will they be teenage moms, too?) How can she be trusted to run the whole country when she can't/won't even run her own household?

Kindly point out the part of the Constitution of the United States that gives the Federal Government control of local school districts.

Ohh. Since we're suddenly about following the Constitution,
kindly point out the part of the Constitution of the United States that gives the Supreme Court the right to write abortion law.

In fact, there was a 2 month period where McCain voted against the GOP 36 times.

Hes not for reform or anything though...

I'm not sure, but I don't think that Muslims believe in infanticide. Some would make an exception for suicide bombing.

What I'd like to know is this: What IS within Obama's "paygrade" ????

Posted by: Mike at September 4, 2008 12:14 PM

For one thing, helping his buddy Tony Reszko build sub standard housing.

I'm not sure, but I don't think that Muslims believe in infanticide. Some would make an exception for suicide bombing.

Precisely, Muslim babies will be born.

This site has a cool feature. Turns out that McCain votes against his part 12% of the time. Biden and Obama each vote against their party 4% of the time.

You could put Biden and Obama together, and McCain is still more of a "reformer" and "maverick."

Mary (11:38 a.m.): By "out of control brood" are you referring to Joe Biden's son who was just indicted for swindling millions and his daughter who was arrested for disorderly conduct?

Reality (12:21 p.m.): Like it or not, Joe Biden and his family aren't tabloid trash. One of his sons is an Attorney General and a soldier, set to deploy to Iraq in October. His other son is a lawyer, and his daughter is a social worker. They're all grown up.

Oh, one of Mr. Biden's sons will be going to Iraq as a soldier, just like the Palins' son? I admire disciplined soldiers.

Ohh. Since we're suddenly about following the Constitution,
kindly point out the part of the Constitution of the United States that gives the Supreme Court the right to write abortion law.
Posted by: DeeL at September 4, 2008 12:21 PM

The Court didn't write abortion law. It doesn't write any laws. It strikes down laws which violate the consitution. Gun laws that go to far, Supreme Court throws them out. Restrictions on free speech? Supreme Court throws them out. Restrictions on the right of a couple to use birth control, Supreme Court throws them out. That's the court's job. Sometimes it makes stuff up. (like the "right to be protected from large punitive damage awards a jury imposes." They just invented that to protect Bush's friend, Exxon. Even Palin things the Court screwed that one up)

Jon :"Oh, one of Mr. Biden's sons will be going to Iraq as a soldier, just like the Palins' son? I admire disciplined soldiers"

Too bad Biden himself couldnt go...due to his "really bad asthma" that he had as a kid.

Hal: "Sometimes it makes stuff up. "

Yeah...like we said. They made up the law that abortion is federally protected on all levels.

How many of you would be happy for now if they just let the "red" states eliminate abortion? I think I could deal with that for now honestly.

Jerry,

Angry young man? Don't be silly. Does this sound angry, to you?

Barack Obama is here to unite the country for the common good, and focus on the issues that we all care about: health care, the economy, energy independence, getting out of Iraq and going after the terrorists responsible for 9/11, improving education, reducing the need for abortion, and so on.

McCain comes only to divide and conquer. He thinks the economy is just fine, the war is just fine, and the health care system is just fine. He's voted with George W. Bush more than 90% of the time.

Obama bucked his party 3 times.

McCain bucked his party 19 times.

That's because Obama's party is right on the issues, and McCain's party is wrong.

And if McCain is more willing to buck his party, shouldn't that make you nervous that the first thing he will buck is the Republican party's unreasonable and unpopular stance on abortion?

Reality,

No it shows Obama does what the Democratic Congress wants...and guess what they havent done jack for us recently either.

We need someone who is going to do what he thinks is right, not what his peers tell him to do, such as 96% Obama.

Wow Hal is back at it. Obama was very involved in 'reforming' Chicago schools -- along with friend Bill Ayers. They spent a ton of money and guess what -- they accomplished nothing.

"A comprehensive study by the Consortium on Chicago School Research, for example, concludes:

"Results suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge

He is so proud of his work in Chicago and he has absolutely nothing to show for it except getting a house for himself on the cheap. He descended from the heights of Harvard (after being yearbook editor didn't write an article) and worked among the people --- oversaw ACORN register illegals and helping machine politicians build slum housing.

How was the tennis? Did you get served on the court, just like you get served here every day.

How many of you would be happy for now if they just let the "red" states eliminate abortion? I think I could deal with that for now honestly.
Posted by: Oliver at September 4, 2008 12:40 PM

You would have many at this site who disagree with you. My modest proposal to allow abortion on demand for only the first trimester has never been accepted as a valid compromise.

If Roe is overturned, it will probably go back to the states for resolution. Most states will allow some kind of abortion (even South Dakota). Many would add some restrictions not now allowed. I could probably live with it. But, I live in a blue state.

How can she be trusted to run the whole country when she can't/won't even run her own household?

Well lets see now...Hal says she lied about being a hockey/pta mom, you say she can't run her household because her daughter made a "choice" ( incidentally you are voting for a candidate that wants to take away her ability to control her household ie: parental notification and encourage 17 year olds to have sex)...

Wow, you guys sound desperate.

Say, have you seen Obama's shoes? How can he be qualified for president when he wears the wrong shoes???

I just love that woman, Sarah Palin! I also believe she mentioned in her first speech her thanks to Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton. She also acknowledged the Anniversary of Womens suffrage. Something that Obama forgot.

And in her second speech, she took on her critics. She had a log of zingers in her speech and I loved the line about shipping the Greek temple back to Hollywood. Got 'em both with one shot.

As many in the blogosphere and some in the non 'in the tank' media are saying today, Sarah will be just fine. She is her own woman and thank God for that.

I have been visiting the Hillary clinton message boards and they are incensed with Obama. There are now at least two Sarah Palin boards mostly started by PUMAs. If you need to know what that is, google it. There is also a site to report sexist utterings of the blogs and MSM. I think everyone on this site knows what sexist means. There is also a site to debunk all the rumors various members of the nutroots and MSM are putting out. The net is the perfect place for this.

Obama is not going to know what hit him.

Sarah Barracuda for Vice President!!!!!

He's voted with George W. Bush more than 90% of the time.

At least he voted.

Sometimes it makes stuff up.

Like the right to kill unborn babies.

Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ.
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And so . . .
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So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career..

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

"You would have many at this site who disagree with you. My modest proposal to allow abortion on demand for only the first trimester has never been accepted as a valid compromise."

is your party offering this as well? you know the party platform removed "rare" from it's abortion stand.

I would agree that Mr. McCain is not the best of candidates. And I don't think that women should normally have leadership positions in the civil government. (Yes, the Iron Lady was a wonderful ruler, but I still don't know whether she should have been prime minister.) However, there's no doubt that however bad the McCain-Palin duo might be, the Obama-Bidin duo is much worse. Mrs. Palin seems to be right on most all of the issues; her only problem is that she is a woman.

I realize that very few voters think as I do, and I'm not an American, anyway. I also realize that my statement here is contentious, to say the least. So I also should say that I have a great deal of admiration for Mrs. Palin, just as I do for Mrs. Thatcher. (Is Mrs. Thatcher still alive? I think she is. Didn't she go to President Reagan's funeral?)

Reality 12:21PM

Get a grip will you? Tabloid trash? Please name all the disreputable members of Sarah's family.
I know, Trig and his loving older sister. Don't they just give you nightmares?
Her soldier son going to Iraq, just like Biden's son. Her non-pregnant daughter. She has a pregnant daughter. Gasp!! Now that's a first!! I'm speechless about that one!! Where was her mother? I know, one can watch a teenager 24/7. I did it all the time. I'm sure as a teenager you were never out of your mother's sight and were a candidate for canonization.
By the way Reality, where was Hillary when Bill was being serviced by Monica in the oval office for what, 2 years? When he fondled Kathleen Willey at the White House. Talk to Hillary about running one's own household.

Didn't Biden ever teach his daughter to properly conduct herself in public? Maybe she could have avoided arrest. And that son of his, along with Biden's brother swindling his employer and investors out of millions. Gracious it must run in the family!
Oh, and Obama's questionable dealings with Tony Rezko, convicted felon and slumlord.
Dispense with the sanctimonious chest pounding Reality, you're making yourself look foolish.

Hal, 12:36PM

Please show us where in the Constitution where, like guns and free speech, there is anything said about abortion.

"Too bad Biden himself couldnt go...due to his "really bad asthma" that he had as a kid."

I agree Oliver. I think we should ship all our sick off to Iraq so we don't have to deal with them anymore. I love how sensitive you are to the physically disadvantaged. Maybe Biden could take Trig with him?

And not that anyone cares about such beautiful, majestic creatures as wolves but Palin is 100% for killing them all anyway possible. She even gives a bounty for wolf parts people bring to her. I guess she's prolife only when it suits her. Yeah she's so happy she got to have her baby, but lets rip wolves, mother, father and cub to pieces for our own pleasure. Nothing brings Palin more joy then to see a beautiful creature brutally killed!

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/rnr/825962218.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/187170/alaska_pays_bounty_to_kill_wolves.html?cat=37

I love how it says people must kill wolves to protect other species. Because of course without human intervention the entire ecosystem would collapse. Talk about playing God. Seesh.

The left wing, liberal Democrats all HATE Palin's guts and can't stand the sight of her. Check out the blogosphere and the MSM's comment from all over the 'net. It's dripping with vile curses of her and her family. You can actually hear the gnashing and grinding of teeth as you read the comments.

Then, IMHO, she must be doing something right
and precisely because, she is somebody that they are NOT.

I have to agree...Michelle and Hillary must be fuming mad because Sarah stole the women's political spotlight from them.

Hal (12:49 p.m.): If Roe is overturned... I could probably live with it.

So could many more babies. Mr. Obama's waiting arms (cf. Reality 11:29) are only for voting Americans.

Jill,

I think one of the most remarkable sides to her speech that she did not say a word about her pro-life stand. She did not need to say a word, her family spoke it laud and clear.

We have had good share of politicians that said a lot but accomplished little.

I certainly think she performed well above her "pay grade"!

Barack Obama is here to unite the country for the common good, and focus on the issues that we all care about: health care, the economy, energy independence, getting out of Iraq and going after the terrorists responsible for 9/11, improving education, reducing the need for abortion, and so on.

Health care: At what cost to the American economy?

The economy: Tax us to death and then what? Grant us stipends? Da, Commrade!

Getting out of Iraq: Surrender while we're winning?

Going after terrorists? How? Sending an invitation for a night in the Lincoln bedroom? Yelling "Come out, come out wherever you are." and hoping they answer?

Improving education: Ha. You're not from Chicago are you?
Obama's for Teachers' Unions, not for education.

Reducing the need for abortion: By partnering with Planned Parenhood? PP deliberately targets teenagers and ENCOURAGES sexual behavior. They have no desire to reduce abortion, it's their bread and butter.

Hal wrote:
Restrictions on the right of a couple to use birth control, Supreme Court throws them out.

Kindly point out the "birth control clause" in the Constitution.

For what it's worth, I think people should have the right to use non-abortifacient birth control. That seems like an area of private morality in which the government should not intrude. I oppose sodomy laws for the same reason.

But the Constitution does not contain either a "birth control clause" or a "sodomy clause" anywhere within its text.

Hal also wrote:
Sometimes it makes stuff up. (like the "right to be protected from large punitive damage awards a jury imposes." They just invented that to protect Bush's friend, Exxon. Even Palin things the Court screwed that one up)

Ooh, let me play!

Sometimes it makes stuff up. Like the "right to kill children who are inconvenient." They just invented that to go along with the libertine attitudes of the times. Even pro-choice legal scholars think the Court screwed that one up.

Here's a fascinating article about pro-choice legal scholars who think that Roe was wrongly decided:
http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2005/11/roe-was-wrong/

The "right" to abortion came from the "right" to birth control. Neither of these "rights" is actually mentioned in the Constitution.
The "right" to birth control came from the "right" to privacy. Neither of these "rights" is mentioned in the Constitution.
The "right" to privacy came from a broad interpretation of several rights which actually are in the Constitution, such as the right to prevent unlawful searches (Fourth Amendment) and protection from unlawful quartering of troops (Third Amendment).

In other words, the "right" to abortion is at least three steps removed from any of the actual rights in the Constitution. In addition to being fundamentally unjust, Roe is also really bad law.

http://animalrights.about.com/b/2008/08/29/mccains-vp-pick-sarah-palin-no-friend-to-animals.htm

"Palin announced a $150 bounty for wolves. Why? Because wolves prey on moose and caribou, two favorite targets for hunters in Alaska. So Palin instituted a program to encourage hunters to kill wolves so that there would be more moose and caribou for hunters to kill."

Obama,
Don't people usually right their memoirs after they've accomplished something?

RSD, maybe that explains why the Right is so hateful to Obama. He's doing something right and is everything they're not.

http://animalrights.about.com/b/2008/08/29/mccains-vp-pick-sarah-palin-no-friend-to-animals.htm

"In addition, Palin has sued the Bush administration to delist polar bears under the Endangered Species Act because the protection of polar bears interferes with drilling for oil and gas."

So if a baby gets in the way of what I want I can kill it? She's saying, "Screw what's right or wrong, I want money and nothing is going to stop me!"

Wow she's Cruella DeVille!

"I love how it says people must kill wolves to protect other species"
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What if the wolves were killed to save cattle?

Hi Jess..long time no ribbing....

Are you a vegetarian, Jess? I'm a Christian.

Jess --

You remind me of the silly lady here in Chicago that decided she wanted to pet a cute sleeping wolf. It latched onto her hand and the zookeepers had to shoot the wolf. The woman lost her hand and we all lost the wolf.

Wild animals are not cute little pets. If you have one on your property it can harm children and any livestock or game your family may depend on.

Jess --- Alaska is not the little bubble you life in. Also wolves love little hamsters, I'm sure -- they are so tasty.

Obama advocates killing newly born babies -- and you think he's okay. Hamsters over humans seems to be your priorty. So sad.

Jess 1:12PM

I can remember when Western ranchers were just as anxious to be rid of wolves and coyotes, shooting every one of them on site.
These "majestic" animals can be very destructive to livestock, family pets and people's livelihoods. This may be the situation in Alaska.

We think of elephants as so majestic and beautiful, which indeed they are. If you're an African villager who's had his home and crops, and maybe a few loved ones trampled by one, you may have a different perspective.

By the way Reality, where was Hillary when Bill was being serviced by Monica in the oval office for what, 2 years? When he fondled Kathleen Willey at the White House. Talk to Hillary about running one's own household.

Well, we know she wasn't at home baking cookies. : )

I agree Oliver. I think we should ship all our sick off to Iraq so we don't have to deal with them anymore. I love how sensitive you are to the physically disadvantaged. Maybe Biden could take Trig with him?

Oliver, I do believe we need a repeat of the definition of courage.

I have one only one thing to say on that issue:

Navy Seal Michael Monsoor,

are you kidding me Hal? you want to talk about hate and anger? Go read the Daily kos.

About it's founder Markos Moulitsas:

Markos's dailyKos is possibly the busiest political site on the Internet, but it's also a center for pessimism and defeatism toward the United States. The site purports all bad news as proof that Bush's presidency is not working, and it spins any good news into bad news. Markos is also crude, as he expressed his lack of sympathies for four American contractors who were shot, dragged, and hanged in the Iraq War: "They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them."

Jess --

Maybe you aren't out of line.

You adore hamsters and they generally eat their own. Maybe you should think about some new role models.

Jess displayed her compassion thusly:
And not that anyone cares about such beautiful, majestic creatures as wolves but Palin is 100% for killing them all anyway possible.

I seriously doubt that Sarah Palin wants to kill all of the wolves, but anyway....

Palin Plan = dead wolves
Obama Plan = dead babies

Palin seems like the better choice to me.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/8/31/22337/7183

Watch the video if you have any guts!

RSD, if a wolf eats a cow it eats a cow to survive. If a person eats a cow to survive that's fine to. If a person eats a doped up, tortured, mutilated, diseased, sick, cow because they don't want to go a full half hour without their big mac then that's just sick.

Jess 1:19PM

The population of polar bears is increasing. Arctic life is, at best, a brutal struggle to survive. These bears aren't going to be affected by drills. They have vast expanse of land to roam.
Also Alaskan wildlife congregated near the oil pipes and rigs because they're warm, and reproduced even more. I mean, wouldn't you prefer not to make love in the snow and cold?
Also, that picture of an Alaskan bear frolicking on an oil pipeline was precious.

Naaman, you are this "average Joe"'s hero.

If you bothered to read the whole article Naaman you would see Palin is out to kill every wild animal. And eventually all the domestic ones will end up in her stomach. Speaking of which I heard a young child's diet can effect the severity of Down Syndrome. But Palin won't care. It seems the sicker her baby is the more attention she can get.

"RSD, if a wolf eats a cow it eats a cow to survive.."
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What about if a wolf eats a person to survive, is that acceptable, too?

What if that person is you?

Save the wolves! Kill the babies!

Of course, there were Romulus and Remus.

Jess,

I think it's not that we don't take your animal advocacy seriously. It's just hard to do when you make a statement like this:

So if a baby gets in the way of what I want I can kill it? She's saying, "Screw what's right or wrong, I want money and nothing is going to stop me!"

Only you're talking about bears! On a pro life site, no less, yet you're okay with the slaughter of innocent babies.

That said, if it is true that Sarah Palin is perpetuating the killing of wolves for the sole purpose of making her own personal hunting experience better, then I too would be upset. I promise I'll keep an open mind, and perhaps this will be the flaw that makes her human instead of a superstar in my eyes.

But you have to promise to think about how hypocritical you sound opining about animal life when we are trying to save human lives...

Fair?

"RSD, maybe that explains why the Right is so hateful to Obama. He's doing something right and is everything they're not.

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 1:18 PM"
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I would agree to "he's doing something" and "is everything they're not".

I have one only one thing to say on that issue:

Navy Seal Michael Monsoor,
Posted by: mk at September 4, 2008 1:23 PM

Awesome!

". Speaking of which I heard a young child's diet can effect the severity of Down Syndrome. But Palin won't care. It seems the sicker her baby is the more attention she can get."
Posted by: Jess at September 4, 2008 1:30 PM

Yikes! Jess, come now, enough already...

Jess,

I happen to have a soft part in my heart for wolves, there is a wolf sanctuary a couple towns over from me that we visit once in a while. Do you know there is not one reported case of a wolf killing a human. The whole pact helps to raise their young. I regret wolves being compared to abortionists too.

Wolves are not endangered in Alaska, and mild, usually temporary measures are taken to reduce their them from certain areas, only in cases where the prey population is low...

MK --- Yes, Navy Seal Michael Monsoor is someone to truly admire and honor. Real guts, real honor, real heroism. He and so many more have willingly put their lives on the line for others and we must never forget that.

The proabortion minions seem to look at the world differently, they end the lives of others to ensure their own comfort. Caring for animals over people. Caring for their own lifestyle over honor. Seeing children as burdens or punishment -- so sad. True cowards who stand in such sharp contrast to those risking their lives or making sacrifices for others.

Jasper-

Are you referring to Wolf Hollow?

I used to love that place, lol. Who knew wolves like cheese?

If not I just created another branch of discussion, but eh.

Jess wrote:
If you bothered to read the whole article Naaman you would see Palin is out to kill every wild animal.

Um, what? I read the article -- and the other two articles -- and I didn't see anything about Governor Palin's mad desire to exterminate all wildlife. At the very worst, the articles you linked claim that:
* Palin wants to kill wolves
* Palin wants to kill caribou and moose
* Palin wants to take polar bears off of the endangered species list

I think that some of those claims are a bit overrated, but let's take them at face value for a moment. Even so, that would mean the Governor Palin wants to kill four kinds of wild animals. I'm no biologist, but I think there are more than four kinds of wild animals in the world. For example, none of the articles mention whether or not Palin plans to wage war on the platypus....

Jess 1:30PM

That's appalling and uncalled for. That child looks well loved and cared for. How do you know for a fact the Palins have not researched on the best way possible to feed and care for their son?

LB 1:24pm

Excellent point. Animals are brutal to each other, eating their young, eating each other alive, stealing food from each other, etc. Nature is very cruel and a brutal struggle for survival, not a Disney cartoon.

By the way, I understand vegetarianism actually kills millions of our furry friends. When fields are plowed to grow vegetables guess what?
Animals get sliced up.

Why would we care if FOCA is signed or not? If women in America get still have access to legal abortions, I'll be satisfied.

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 10:59 AM

no big surprise here!

Sarah Palin is still raising her kids, and doing a lousy job of it. Where was she when her oldest daughter was getting knocked-up at 17? (And she's got two more younger daughters; will they be teenage moms, too?) How can she be trusted to run the whole country when she can't/won't even run her own household?

Posted by: reality at September 4, 2008 12:21 PM

Where was Sarah, you ask? Well, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't in the same room with them. Even as a Mom, you can't be EVERYWHERE. I'd love to meet your children, because they must be in line for the Children of the Year Award. Are you interested in the V.P. job? Apparently you are more qualified than Palin?
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One of my favorite quotes from Sarah:

While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for. That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay. :o)

By the way, I understand vegetarianism actually kills millions of our furry friends. When fields are plowed to grow vegetables guess what?
Animals get sliced up.

Posted by: Mary at September 4, 2008 3:13 PM

Eewwwwww!

If you bothered to read the whole article Naaman you would see Palin is out to kill every wild animal. And eventually all the domestic ones will end up in her stomach. Speaking of which I heard a young child's diet can effect the severity of Down Syndrome. But Palin won't care. It seems the sicker her baby is the more attention she can get.

Posted by: Jess at September 4, 2008 1:30 PM

Jess this is really nasty. I'm surprised at you. I don't think this is what you really meant is it?

Mk: "Oliver, I do believe we need a repeat of the definition of courage."

It may be beneficial. What is more interesting to me is that the reasoning was not that Biden had bad asthma, but that he had it as a child.

Besides, anyone knows that many cases of asthma are a poor excuse not to have to run a mile in Gym Class. His inability to breathe properly doesnt seem to limit his viscious speeches. (I wont even go the pun route on this one...)

Like it or not, Joe Biden and his family aren't tabloid trash. One of his sons is an Attorney General and a soldier, set to deploy to Iraq in October. His other son is a lawyer, and his daughter is a social worker. They're all grown up.

Sarah Palin is still raising her kids, and doing a lousy job of it. Where was she when her oldest daughter was getting knocked-up at 17? (And she's got two more younger daughters; will they be teenage moms, too?) How can she be trusted to run the whole country when she can't/won't even run her own household?

Posted by: reality at September 4, 2008 12:21 PM

Like it or not, Biden doesn't live by the values that he professes to have. Zero integrity.

What a pile judgemental crap the rest of your post is! Don't you DARE call anyone on this BB judgemental when you've dished a full load here today!

What values doesn't Biden live by?

Hal
he's supposedly a member of the Roman Catholic Church yet he's vehmently proabortion. He promotes abortion through his political and personal support of abortion which is against the teachings of his faith and yet he presents himself at church as though he's in communion with the faith (which he is most definitely NOT).
I don't expect you to understand, hence that's all the explanation I'll give YOU.

For others: check out Ann Coulters webpage:http://www.anncoulter.com/
She has a great piece on Palin!

Biden considers hard work a value, and he himself trumpeted his Dad's advice that "when you get knocked down...you have to get back up," yet Biden supports the ultimate Nanny State.

Bobby can answer better than I, but I think Biden is, in fact, a member of teh Roman Catholic Church (not "supposedly"). I don't think you are in a position to determine whether he is or is not "in communion with the faith." YOu said he doesn't live by the bvalues that he professes to have. Has he ever professed to value anti-choice laws? Many American Catholics don't accept every aspect of Roman Catholic idealogy. Some support the death penalty, some support the Iraq War, some use birth control, some eat fish on Friday, some allow other people to make up their own minds on issues like abortion and would like the government to stay out of it.

Yeah but why does he talk about hard work and determination being the way through tough times, but supports a Nanny state?

Hell why does anyone support such a thing anyways...they probably want the higher taxes and larger number of programs to help hide their "pork."

Hal: I don't need Bobby to tell me what I already know. Thank-you.
I was being facetious Hal. Biden is a member of the RC faith but I used the qualifier because really he is not - he is what we term a "cafeteria Catholic" who picks and chooses his beliefs. Maybe other faiths do this, but Catholics can not.
In order to receive Holy Communion one must be in a state of grace with no mortal sins on their soul (that they are aware of) since we believe that we are truly receiving Christ. The RC teaching on abortion is quite clear and leaves NO room for doubt: that it is a serious sin and any person who has an abortion or in any way participates in abortions (and this would include supporting legislation or who publicly STATES that he is proabort whic Biden has done) cannot receive Holy Communion.
Biden is a fraud. He should quit the Church if he doesn't believe in what the faith teaches. At the very least he should NOT present himself for Communion. He injures the body of Christ immeasurably.

"...any person who has an abortion or in any way participates in abortions (and this would include supporting legislation or who publicly STATES that he is proabort whic Biden has done) cannot receive Holy Communion."

If it were so simple, I'm sure he would be denied Holy COmmunion by his Priest. Obviously, it's more complicated than you state.

Many American Catholics don't accept every aspect of Roman Catholic idealogy. Some support the death penalty, some support the Iraq War, some use birth control, some eat fish on Friday, some allow other people to make up their own minds on issues like abortion and would like the government to stay out of it.

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 4:44 PM

Hello! Earth to Hal! They AREN'T Catholic then!

I can SAY I'm French, it doesn't make it true. Heck I can even parlez le français, still doesn't make me French, or even Canadian. Get it?

If women in America get still have access to legal abortions, I'll be satisfied.

Is that the only thing that matters? The entire world can go to Hell in a handbasket, but there are still guys out there legally shredding babies for a living. So all's well with the world.

The entire world can go to Hell in a handbasket,

Posted by: Christina at September 4, 2008 5:15 PM

That's funny. I was just at Target looking at cards and saw one with Obama on the front presumably as President. On the inside of the card it said "Where am I and why am I in a handbasket?"

If it were so simple, I'm sure he would be denied Holy COmmunion by his Priest. Obviously, it's more complicated than you state.

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 5:10 PM

It is quite simple in Biden's case because he is an unrepentant, diehard PUBLIC proabort. And yes this should have been done by both the parish priest and the Diocesan Bishop. He should have been asked to recant his public support of abortion. Unfortunately, there is much negligence with regard to Catholic politicians but this seems to be changing.

The MP in my riding was approached by our parish priest about his proabort voting record (he also refused to vote to raise the age of sexual consent from 14 to 16). After much discussion, he left as our pastor told him emphatically that he could NOT present himself for Holy Communion.

I'm done with this topic. bye

Christina, I don't mean it's the only thing. If you see the context of my post, I meant it's the only part of the abortion debate I care about. I don't care about FOCA if abortion is still available and legal. I don't know anyone who cares about the FOCA, it's as much a non-issue as infanticide.

"Jess --

Maybe you aren't out of line.

You adore hamsters and they generally eat their own. Maybe you should think about some new role models."

They don't generally eat their own. Plus they have like 11 babies every few months. I'd bet you'd be singing a different tune if you gave birth to 11 babies every few months. Look, a hamster has all these babies, and they make them a nice home, gather them fluffy bedding and take good care of them (the ones they don't eat). And the ones they do eat are either dead or dying or the mom hamster has been harassed to the point where she goes crazy and tries to protect her young the best she can.

And hamsters are soooo cute.

Patricia, you have to understand, I see humans and animals as equals. Some of you think that's crazy but I don't.

http://www.feralchildren.com/en/index.php

"Jasper-

Are you referring to Wolf Hollow?

I used to love that place, lol. Who knew wolves like cheese?"

Dan, yes it's wolf hollow in Ipswich. They give them roadkill to eat as well...

"I see humans and animals as equals. "

Jess,
Would you rather have your hamster die or a family member? If you had to choose....

Jasper there are one or two family members who I'd rather have go before my hamster. Possibly my anti-semitic uncle. My hamster has never said anything bad about Jews.

wow.

Jasper, if my hamster and Dr. Tiller were in a river, drowning, which one would you save?

Jess,

your comment at 1:30 is very cruel, are you in a bad mood today?

Jasper I feel very passionately about animal rights.

Maybe as passionately as you feel about unborn babies rights.

"Jasper, if my hamster and Dr. Tiller were in a river, drowning, which one would you save? "

Tiller. Then after I saved him, I'd let him know about the crimes he commited.

And what if he went on to kill more babies Jasper?

Jess --

I find you the equal of a hamster -- at least in the brains category. Sounds like you enjoy them eating their young. Very nice.

We had a hamster we found cute and amusing, Fat Tony. He in no way was equal to any human in my life, even those that I disagreed with. But I imagine if you find them your equal, they are the perfect company for you.

I do also find you amusing and sometimes you say cute things. Now go run on your wheel.

I have many things to say to you LB but I'm too busy hoarding my bedding and gnawing on some pellets : )

Patricia, you have to understand, I see humans and animals as equals. Some of you think that's crazy but I don't.

Posted by: Jess at September 4, 2008 5:51 PM

But Jess do you believe that humans have immortal souls? Don't you believe that we are made for something more than just this life on Earth?

BTW the dialogue between you and LB is hilarious. Are the pellets tasty?

Oh wow, that site you linked to Jess, is really, really out there.

From the site:

"Part of being a human is being brought up by humans. If you're not brought up by humans, are you completely human?"
(Language and Communication Science Professor James Law, London's City University)"

Undoubtedly, the lack of normal developmental stimuli has a devastating impact on the development of the human brain. Feral children would not be classified as human using any of the traditional criteria.

However, generally speaking, we now accept as human someone who is clearly genetically human, regardless of their intelligence, abilities or skills.

Wow, that is just sad. They don't consider them human beings because they aren't "intelligent enough"?

Also... the stories are very difficult to believe, and the site itself says:

"Are any of these stories true? The evidence for many is virtually non-existent.Some, such as The Lobo Girl of Devil's River are quite possibly merely folk tales. In The Mother Wolf, the final chapter of his PhD thesis, Paul Williams questions whether any child has really been raised by animals. "

LTL:

Sarah Palin doesn't have to state her pro-life views, she lives them, she walks the talk.

Haven't you been listening to your left wing socialist media wack jobs?

Hal,

I don't know anyone who cares about the FOCA, it's as much a non-issue as infanticide.

As I understand it, if FOCA were made law, it would take away or nullify all parental notification laws currently being enforced by individual states. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes Patricia and I think animals have immortal souls as well.

And the pellets are fine, but not as tasty as the sunflower seeds!

"Patricia, you have to understand, I see humans and animals as equals. Some of you think that's crazy but I don't."

You may go ahead and believe it if you like, Jess, but that doesn't make it true. :)

Actually, Jess, I think that once most people see abortion for what it really is and the law changes then you will see less cruelty to animals. If a baby in its mother's womb isn't safe then nothing is.

Jess, after Adam and Eve sinned, God gave them fur clothes to wear (the fig leaves didn't do a good job). I think that He was saying, "You've made a mess of the world I gave you to rule over, and now you must suffer the consequences. The world is much more cruel because of you. The wages of sin is death."

After He punished their descendants with the Flood--God killed everybody except Noah's family--He told Noah that it was okay to eat meat. At the same time, he told Noah that any animal or human being that killed another human being should itself be killed. Human life is special, He said, because God had made human beings to resemble Himself.

By the way, I am against cruelty to animals. There were also Old Testament laws that prevented cruelty to animals in Israel.

"Do you really want the President of the Untied States doing anything with Chicago Schools? I thought we all supported local control of school issues.

I don't want the Federal Government messing with local politics. Do you?

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 11:29 AM"
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Excuse me brainiac. The point is that most money for schools comes from the Feds and they therefore have a ton of control on how it is used be it Chicago or Dallas.

McCain wants to give that money and put the control of it back where it belong's - to the parents via school choice.

In other words, if a school it performing poorly, the parent can choose to send them elsewhere, and not be locked in by school district boundaries. If the child has special gifts, let's say in art, where in most public schools this is not emphasized, they could send their child to a school that emphasizes art or any other talent. It's called Charter Schools and it is working great here in Arizona.

This pretty much gives the power to parents who have talented kids but can't afford to send them to private schools. You got a problem with poor people having the same amount of power as wealthier people regarding whre to send there kids to school?

McCain was right tonight by saying this was the "civil rights issue" of our day.

And who do you think opposes this the most? You got it, the NEA, a front for the DNC by people who are more interested in job security than what is best for our kids. And in what other part of our society is competition and merit based on performance not used. Oh, right, the Democratic Party.

This is a no-brainer I think even you can understand.

It's United Sattes Hal, not Untied States, although I can understand thd Freudiain slip.

"The Court didn't write abortion law. It doesn't write any laws. It strikes down laws which violate the consitution. Gun laws that go to far, Supreme Court throws them out. Restrictions on free speech? Supreme Court throws them out. Restrictions on the right of a couple to use birth control, Supreme Court throws them out. That's the court's job. Sometimes it makes stuff up. (like the "right to be protected from large punitive damage awards a jury imposes." They just invented that to protect Bush's friend, Exxon. Even Palin things the Court screwed that one up)

Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2008 12:36 PM"
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Yes Hal, and the SC can also overturn previous rulings as well.

Jess, I'm glad you enjoy the pellets! How about the wheel? Must keep you in very good shape!!

Well, I don't believe that animals have immortal souls although I have to say that I'd really love it if there were golden retrievers in heaven!

I hold to the Christian view that we are stewards of the earth and that God put these things on the earth for us to use wisely. I don't believe in placing animals before or on the same plane as humans.

HisMan,

We have to keep in mind the Supreme Court sanctioned slavery, segregation, the second class status of black Americans, and the imprisonment of American citizens in concentration camps during WW2.
Its obvious this court has made rulings that can only be described as despicable, yet we treat them like the gods of Mt.Olympus.

This one really stands out:

"How can she be trusted to run the whole country when she can't/won't even run her own household?

Well lets see now...Hal says she lied about being a hockey/pta mom, you say she can't run her household because her daughter made a "choice" ( incidentally you are voting for a candidate that wants to take away her ability to control her household ie: parental notification and encourage 17 year olds to have sex)...

Wow, you guys sound desperate.

Say, have you seen Obama's shoes? How can he be qualified for president when he wears the wrong shoes???"

Posted by: mk at September 4, 2008 12:50 PM

Doyle,

LOL. How can she be trusted to run the country when she can't/won't even run her own household?

Couldn't this same question be asked of Hillary Clinton, who's husband was romping with an intern for 2 years and who sexually assaulted a woman at the White House? My goodness how could Hillary not know? Didn't she keep her husband under observation at all times? What kind of wife was she?

I haven't read every comment left on this page, but I do have to say that I am shocked at just how different some people are seeing the issues.

No questions asked, I will be voting with the McCain/Palin ticket. McCain was already guaranteed my vote, but choosing Palin certainly didn't hurt anything in my opinion.

Anyway, how is it that the left is seeing the issues so dramatically different than the right? Anyone who has taken the time to research the issues and the candidates should know that Obama is not the end-all, be-all of any of the key issues. I've seen a few posts stating that Obama is the guy to turn to for tax-cuts. Really? The left is not known for tax cuts, in fact, quite the opposite. Anyone who believes that only the richest of the rich will be affected still has some homework to do and will be sorely disappointed when they, themselves, are facing the tax hikes should Obama get elected.

It saddens me that so many people seem to be sold on Obama because he's charismatic and a great speaker. Turns out that my boss is both charismatic and a good speaker, but trust me, he is not qualified to be the President of the United States.

This election is critical, maybe more so than any other election in recent history, and it certainly will be a historic election regardless of who wins. We'll either have a half-black President or a woman as V.P. Speaking of history, look at history as an indicator for the future. It really does speak for itself. We all need to be educated on the candidates and the issues or we're sure to bring this country down in the process.

Vote your heart, vote your conscious, but please don't vote on blind faith. Learn the issues and the candidates. I have faith in the American people, even if the decision made in this election isn't one I agree with.

Mary,

I had not seen your post before I added my last one. The Supreme Court doesn't "sanction" anything. Their sole responsibility is to apply the Constitution to current questions of law, and I don't think ANYBODY looks at the Supreme Court as if they were the Gods of Mt. Olympus. I firmly believe that the only thing that the majority of Americans care about in regards to the Supreme Court is whether or not justices are going to uphold the Constitution or legislate from the bench. When the justices do the right thing (and the only thing they are meant to do, ie. apply the Constitution to present-day questions of law), we respect them, but certainly don't treat them like Gods of any kind.

Crista,

You can call it santioning or whatever you want, but the Supreme Court justices ruled that black Americans could not be citizens, that segregation was legal, and that Roosevelt could put American citizens in concentration camps because of their Japanese ancestry. No where in the Constitution did it say black people could not be citizens, that segregation was acceptable, or that American citizens could be deprived of their property and businesses and put in concentration camps.

This kind of power given to 9 people to interpret the Constitution any way they please is frightening, and treating them like the gods of Mt. Olympus.

Aside from the national election, abortion is a HUGE issue in Colorado this election, thanks to Amendment 48. If it passes, that measure would give fertilized eggs all the legal rights of persons.

The Coalition for Secular Government ( http://www.seculargovernment.us ) just published an issue paper on it "Amendment 48 Is Anti-Life: Why It Matters That a Fertilized Egg Is Not a Person" by Ari Armstrong and myself. It's available at:

http://www.seculargovernment.us/docs/a48.pdf

The paper discusses some of the horrific implications of this proposed amendment, including its effects on the legality of abortion, birth control, and in vitro fertilization. It also offers a strong defense of abortion rights based on the biological facts of pregnancy.

Mary asks: "Couldn't this same question be asked of Hillary Clinton, who's husband was romping with an intern for 2 years and who sexually assaulted a woman at the White House? My goodness how could Hillary not know? Didn't she keep her husband under observation at all times? What kind of wife was she?"

Yes it seems that proaborts get amnesia when you ask qeustions like that, Mary.

I do take strong exception, however to anyone saying that a teenage prgenacy is "evidence" that a household is "out of control". And when that is coming from a proabort, it makes you wonder why they suddenly become Puritanical, doesn't it?

Could it possibly be that there is just a hint of demagoguery going on here? Or maybe they're just ordinary hypocrites?

Diana,

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no "defense of abortion rights based on the biological facts of pregnancy". Science does not deal with moral questions.

And the title "Why It Matters That a Fertilized Egg Is Not a Person" betrays yet another blatent falsehood, since in the vernacular sense every human body is a person, and always has been. The fact that our courts have arbitrarily ruled that the legal sense of that word doesn't apply to unobrn humans does not change the meaning of that world in the vernacular.

The extreme lack of reasoned support for abortion is yet another bit of evidence for it's moral bankruptcy. I feel sad that anyone would actually bring such a transparent hoax into the public arena for the purpose of justifying the slaughter of innocent babies.

"Amendment 48 Is Anti-Life: Why It Matters That a Fertilized Egg Is Not a Person"

Scientifically, unequivocally false. Please feel free to head to a library and check out any textbook on science, biology, human development, or any other branch. You will see that a human being's life begins at fertilization. As an agnostic, I can't prove that God exists, but the personhood of a human embryo HAS been proven, and several times, at that.

"I see humans and animals as equals. Some of you think that's crazy but I don't.

Posted by: Jess at September 4, 2008 5:51 PM"
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Sorry, Jess...I, for one, don't THINK that's crazy, I KNOW it is.

Jess's position isn't crazy at all -- so long as she includes unborn human animals along with everyone else.

Ahhh. But she doesn't.

And she doesn't seem to recognize God, either, at least not from what I've read of her. So if people and animals are equal--and there is no God--then people and animals are gods. She is reverting to nature worship, the religion of the Canaanites.

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Sarah Palin was my number one choice for VP for the last 5 months or so. I never in my wildest dreams thought McCain would pick her.

One thing I like about her is she's completely feminine. She's feminine in a dress giving a speech, and she's feminine in jeans skinning a moose.

She's ethical (despite news snippets to the contrary), fertile, strong, smart, cute as a button and she lets God control her life.

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