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By Henry Payne of Townhall.com...

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Likewise, MSM has been mesmerized by Barack Obama's lies on the Born Alive issue.

Ready example. Yesterday Sarah Palin continued pounding Obama on his Born Alive vote, coming closer than ever to saying he endorsed letting little preborn babies like Trig die in hospital soiled utility rooms only because they were abortion survivors.

Yet, MSM simply repeated Obama's lie about his vote again. MSM has yet to investigate. From the Associated Press, yesterday...

Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attacked Barack Obama on abortion on Saturday, saying the Democratic presidential candidate has "left behind even the middle ground on the issue of life."

Palin said she and Republican presidential candidate John McCain would be "defenders of the culture of life." She opposes abortion in all cases except where the pregnancy threatens the woman's life.

Alaska's governor also touched upon common campaign themes during her speech to about 5,000 supporters in Johnstown, [PA] but she focused on children with special needs and then abortion. Palin, whose infant son, Trig, has Down syndrome, said she and McCain would make protecting such children a priority.

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"Every child has something to contribute ... if we give them that chance," she said.

Palin said it was about time that Obama was "called" on his abortion views.

"Please, it is not negative and it's not mean-spirited to talk about his record," she said.

In the IL Senate, Obama opposed legislative efforts in 2001, 2002 and 2003 to give legal protections to any aborted fetus that showed signs of life. The 2003 measure was virtually identical to a bill President Bush signed into law in 2002 that unanimously passed the U.S. Senate.

Obama and others who opposed the IL bill said the state already had a law to protect aborted fetuses born alive and considered able to survive. They contended that the proposed legislation would have undermined abortion rights in ways that the federal law would not.

Palin called Obama's ideas and votes on abortion "radical."

"In short, Sen. Obama is a politician who has long since left behind even the middle ground on the issue of life. He's fighting with those who won't protect a child born alive," she said.

"A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for activist courts that will continue to smother the open and democratic debate that we deserve and that we need on this issue of life - that's OK, that debate - at both the state and federal level," she said....

At least the AP mentioned Obama opposed the identical bill passed unanimously in the U.S. Senate. That's progress.

But...why Obama opposed Born Alive at the time is so well-documented - and absolutely not what he is claiming today - that MSM's repetition of his lie without checking the facts is astounding.

Obama was the only state senator to speak against Born Alive in the senate floor. There are pages and pages of documentation of his speeches. MSM, go to pages 84-90 here to read Obama's actual rationale, from the IL General Assembly archives, for opposing Born Alive in 2001.

Obama, at the time, did not argue there was already another law in place (which is at any rate false; read this). He did not argue that the state version would bear consequences to Roe v. Wade that the federal version did not. He argued against the constitutionality of Born Alive. He argued simply against declaring abortion survivors legal persons.

One final point: An abortion survivor is not an "aborted fetus that showed signs of life." An abortion survivor is a baby, neonate, infant, or child -- take your pick. But according to all medical and general dictionaries, s/he is no longer a "fetus."

[Photo of Palin in Johnstown courtesy of the AP]


Comments:

I love Sarah Palin!

Good for her for exposing Nobama for who he is.

The Communist News Network reported that Sarah was talking about his oppostion to the partial birth abortion ban, but no mention of BAIPA. Of course the media is covering up for Nobama on abortion and other issues.

Posted by: Joanne at October 12, 2008 9:25 AM


Barack Obama and ACORN are a part of an anti-life, criminal, and actually neo-Marxist attempt at stealing this election and subverting America.

Their Strategy (web search this title):
Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

Their Tactics (web search these words):
Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals ends justify means

Barack Obama even flew to Kenya last year using taxpayer's money, and helped the campaign of Soveit-style Marxist candidate for President, Raila Odinga. He lost and fomented rioting causing over 1,000 deaths. Odinga has made a pact with radical Islamists in Kenya, who are implementing Sharia law in their provinces.

This shows what kind of man Obama is. His mentor as a teenager was Frank Marshall Davis, a documented Communist who authored an autobiography of his sexual pervision including pedophilia.

Posted by: Arlen Williams at October 12, 2008 9:26 AM


OK so here's what it comes down to. McCain will pursue the abortion-ban fantasy. Even if he overturns R/W and vetos FOCA, the best you can do is raise the cost of some abortions by the cost of interstate travel and lodgings. Still less than just the extra food you eat during pregnancy.

Obama on the other hand is much more likely to pursue serious strategies for lowering the number of abortions and the likelihood that any given unborn baby will be aborted. Like making the country more parent-friendly. How about a medicare-type program for kids? Which, for you Trig fans out there, would most strongly benefit unborn babies with in-utero-detectable illnesses.

Even if McCain had better ideas on this, how'z he gonna get them through Congress? All he can do is clog the pipes.

So it comes down to the symbol vs the unborn babies. If you want a President who will parrot the line about The Unborn Baby, McCain's your guy. If on the other hand you want to prevent abortions and save real unborn babies from being aborted, you will vote for Obama. It's "Life" vs lives.

Posted by: JustFactsMaam at October 12, 2008 9:27 AM


Obama would rather die than prevent a single abortion. You're living in a fantasy world, Obama is the abortionist's best friend and hero.

Posted by: Doyle at October 12, 2008 9:32 AM


If abortion is murder, I really don't see how you can support Palin, who doesn't want it outlawed unless the majority of people in a state vote to ban it. She wouldn't want the legality of any other murder decided on a state by state basis, would she?

Posted by: hal at October 12, 2008 9:35 AM


My ears perked up yesterday when I heard Sarah Palin on TV talking about the BAIPA...I told my husband, "FINALLY!"

Great job, Sarah!!

Posted by: Bethany at October 12, 2008 9:48 AM


Yeah, go Sarah! Still lots of people who don't know Obama's pro-choice. You betcha. Don't let the Liberal Media cover it up!

And keep reminding everyone his middle name is Hussein. Sooner or later they're bound to realize how important this is!

Posted by: Hussein at October 12, 2008 10:11 AM


Let's elect my dentist. Drill, Baby, drill!

Posted by: ToothDecay at October 12, 2008 10:14 AM


Yes, forget about the fact that you are losing your home, can't retire or send your kids to college, and concentrate on the important stuff-Jill's 15 minutes of fame 7 years ago.

Posted by: PPC at October 12, 2008 10:19 AM


Justfacts,
That's a delusional post, I hope you're not as delusional in real life.

Hal,
Abortion is murder, and whether Governor Palin thinks the constitutional way is the way of rectifying RvW (nice try at making that sound as if it's somehow proabortion..rolls eyes), it still is murder.
So, yes, you and others like you are guilty of murder.
And unless you repent, you will face a just and Holy God with the blood of your children and all other aborted children on your hands.

Posted by: sandi at October 12, 2008 10:32 AM


PPC,
You're making it personal between you and Jill....got a crush you need to get over, me thinks.

Posted by: sandi at October 12, 2008 10:34 AM


Oh gosh, she is so darn smart, you betcha!

“In times like these with wars and financial crisis, I know that it may be easy to forget even as deep and abiding a concern as the right to life, and it seems that our opponent kind of hopes you will forget that,” Palin told a Pennsylvania crowd.

Wackadooo!

Posted by: PeachPit at October 12, 2008 10:37 AM


Jill:

The Lord said that while we wouldn't know the exact date of His return we would know the times and the seasons.

We are currently in a season of great deception, where people are so assured that Obama is the savior and he will make everything alright again. I even see Christians buying into this lie although I am not at all surprised since the great apostasy must come. The wheat are being separated from the tares, the true believers from the false. People have no courage because their hearts are not filled with truth (God's Word) and they are willing to believe anyone that says that Obama will make it all better.

When whole groups of people are willing to believe lies as is so prevalent today, we know that something big is about to happen.

God said that in the last days that He would pour His Spirit out on all flesh:
" Acts 2:16-18 16No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy."

I believe that things are going to get beyond bad in this country and the suffering so great that the only thing people will be able to do is cry out to God or, resign themselves to destruction.

In the final analysis, the only hope we have is Jesus Christ and in the end, God promises that his faithful win. I urge everyone to call out to God NOW while there is still time left. Our Abba Father is just waiting for all of you to come home.

Posted by: HisMan at October 12, 2008 10:38 AM


Very true HisMan.

Posted by: Joanne at October 12, 2008 10:45 AM


Peachpit,
Do you enjoy making a ninny of yourself?

There was nothing "wackadoo" about what Gov. Palin said.
Now, let's compare that to her counterpart, Biden.

President Roosevelt going on TV talking about the '29 crash. That man is as dumb as a box of rocks!

Posted by: sandi at October 12, 2008 10:56 AM


BEHOLD!!! The OCTOBER Suprise!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

This is it Everybody!! Get On Board!!! Spread It Far and Wide!!!

Obama May be indeed Finished!!!

Goodbye Obama!!!

Blog It! Blog It! Blog It!

Spread Far and Wide!!!!

People Need To Know!!!

Posted by: James at October 12, 2008 11:00 AM


Sandi, let's not call names.....

One candidate is talking about our tanking GOP economy and the other is talking about abortion..hmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: PeachPit at October 12, 2008 11:02 AM


James...that is totally going to work....he's only been vetted for 20 months now...Why isn't this working? Because it is a joke!

Posted by: PeachPit at October 12, 2008 11:05 AM


Most of our economic problems were caused by the unsound anti free market policies of the Democratic Party.

Under Bill Clinton's administration, new regulations were written to force banks to lend money to people who couldn't afford to pay them back. This was the origin of today's credit crisis. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought bad loans from banks who were then able to lend money all over again and the whole problem snowballed. When Bush and McCain tried to do something about it to rein in Fannie and Freddie, they were stymied by Democratic politicians who were receiving huge campaign contributions from these financial institutions. Evenetually, the whole house of cards cam crashing down.

Also, the high price of oil and the resulting economic slowdown and rising unemployment were caused in part by the Democratic politicians' refusal to allow any new oil exploration for more than a decade. This has alao ravaged the auto industry and increase unemployment in Ohio and Michigan.

George Bush and the Republicans did NOT cause these economic problems. The Democrats did. Bush's tax cuts helped the economy grow more rapidly for a few years and helped lessen the severity of the Democrtaic oil price spike and economic slowdown. Bush tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie years ago. Bush tried to allow more oil drilling. He tried and failed to solve each problem that the Democratic Party created.

Posted by: Joe at October 12, 2008 11:28 AM


Okay, PeachPit and PPC,
Apparently you care more about your money than a right to life for the most helpless among us.

Posted by: Eileen #2 at October 12, 2008 11:47 AM


Joe, nice recitation of the Republican Talking Points of the Day. I can't wait until the end of the football season, when the coaches with a 4 and 12 record explain that it is the fault of the coaches who were there 8, 12 and 16 years ago.

Sunday's funniest headline: "Hockey Mom Booed at Hockey Game" Even putting a Flyers jersey on one of her kids didn't quiet the crowd.

New problems for Hockey Mom and First Dude:

Seems the "friends" who helped First Dude build the Palin house were contractors building the Wasilla Sports facility, who gave materials and labor to Palin in exchange for contracts on the sports complex. Apparently a lot of the lumber and other materials inexplicably "fell off the truck" in front of the Palin lot. If that sounds eerily familiar, it is the same subject as the current corruption trial of Alaska senator Stevens, even some of the same contractors.

As this develops, expect a lot more screaming about Obama being a terrorist and a baby killer.

Posted by: PPC at October 12, 2008 11:57 AM


Joe:

Good post....

Here's the truth about the bailout. The government, led by the Democrats has sold us down the river without a paddle. Let's face it, if they can legalize killing babies, do you really think any of them care about us?

The 700 billion is going to banks to buy out their bad assets. The banks however, are under no obligation to lend this money back out. Look at the bill.

So, what we have here is the people in the know, i.e., the politicians, have just bailed out their bank buddies in return for favors during probably a 15 year Depression that has just begun.

And here's why I say this. There is over 2.5 trillion dollars in revolving and non-revolving debt in this country including credit cards, car loans, etc. Don't you think it curious that no one is talking about this ticking time bomb? Most of this debt is unsecured and the 700 billion is to cover banks who are going to be hit by the massive credit card and car loan defaults that will be coming down the pike in a few months.

It is absolutely laughable that people believe that Obama can tax us out of this mess. Heck, their won't be anyone with any money left to tax. Securities will be worthless, real estate will be worthless, bonds will be worthless, Treasury notes will be worthless. Why, because no one will have any money to buy anything with. The only thing that will be worth anything will be guns and religion, the two very things Barack Obama mocked Pennsyvanians about.

Friends, watching all this happen is like watching a movie. It's so predictable and comical but at the same time so, so tragic.

It didn't have to be this way. God had another plan. However, God is not mocked. We as a country have lost our way via rampant abortion, homosexuaiity, immorality, and we are now are about to reap the whirlwind.

The best thing a person can do now is to cry out to God for mercy and protection.

The only solution to this problem is to forgive all debt. This is God's way. Of course, this will NRVER happen apart from a worldwide turn back to God. So we are all collectively screwed financially.

This is the real thing friends.

And do not be so surprised, the cries of the shed blood of innocent children have reached the Father's ears and He is bringing us to our knees in repentance:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3722098690652929884

Cry out to Him NOW. Ask Him for forgiveness.

Posted by: HisMan at October 12, 2008 11:57 AM


Yes, forget about the fact that you are losing your home, can't retire or send your kids to college, and concentrate on the important stuff-Jill's 15 minutes of fame 7 years ago.
Posted by: PPC at October 12, 2008 10:19 AM

This financial crisis has been fomented by Barack Obama's allies. It will come out, though it may provoke their army of the prolitariat to violence, as in Kenya.

Web search: Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

Posted by: Arlen Williams at October 12, 2008 12:04 PM


This financial crisis has been fomented by Barack Obama's allies. It will come out, though it may provoke their army of the prolitariat to violence, as in Kenya.

The timing couldn't have been better for O. Could the crisis have been better handled six months to one year ago? It's hard to believe no one saw this coming sooner.

Posted by: Janet at October 12, 2008 12:26 PM


Joe:

This too, they filibusted many of the judicial appointees that Bush proposed.

This is the stuff that revolutions are made of.

Posted by: HisMan at October 12, 2008 12:28 PM


Sorry, "filibustered" in previous post.

This is what will happen in an Obama Presidency just in the first year:

He will enact FOCA.
Massive military spending cuts.
He will begina campaign to demoralize the military.
Nation of Islam leader Farrakhan will become even more powerful.
He will cave into the demands of Islamic extremists and pull back from support of Israelwhich will result in even more of the loss of God's protection from our country.
As a result of the worldwide financial meltdown, he will use this as an excuse to form a one world government.
He will infuse massive amounts of cash to Planned Parenthood because more women under finiancial stress will now want to kill their babies but will be unable to pay for an abortion.
He will enact massive tax increases that will be justiifed by the rising debt of the government as a result of the Depression which will further exacerbate the problem.
The education system will be totally revised to a Bill Ayers revolutionary type curriculum.
He will enact massive welfare programs as justiifed by the state of the economy.
He will enact legislation that will criminalize descrimination against homosexuality, which will destroy the church. Underground churches will be forced to be started.
Thought crime and hate speech legislation will be enacted.
He will criminalize private education by taxing them into oblivion.
Guns and gold will be confiscated by the government.

This is just the tip of the iceberg or should I say, meltdown.

Now tell me one thing I've listed that Hal or PPC or Reality would disagre with Barack doing?

Posted by: HisMan at October 12, 2008 12:45 PM


Go Sarah Go!!! I can point my daughters to look up to a woman like you to represent the best in America. Thank you Sarah. I hope I can point to you as vice-president for the next four years.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 12, 2008 12:49 PM


BTW, I have been linking to a new blog, above. It is on Google's "blogger" site. It is called investigatingobama.blogspot.com.

I can log in to my google account and it shows I have that blog.

However, Google is not letting me administrate investigatingobama.blogspot.com.

I have heard of other, similar problems. It is apparent that Obama campaigners are actively involved in malicious behavior.

Posted by: Arlen Williams at October 12, 2008 1:02 PM


HisMan,

That's interesting you bring up revolution. I was talking to my mom today and she was talking about how the state of this nation very much distresses her and how terrible it would be for Barack Obama to be President. And I said, "Well, Mom, maybe it's time for another revolution." She said, "I'm too old for a revolution, Lizzie." LOL

But seriously, though, maybe it is time. If it is, I'm hoping for a V for Vendetta type of revolution.

"People should not be afraid of their governemnts, the government should be afraid of their people."

:)

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at October 12, 2008 1:59 PM


I was able to get Google to give my control of investigatingobama.blogspot.com back, though no explanation was provided.

I'll have a one-page Obama expose there hopefully at day's end, with links. The facts are very startling and the MSM has been cooperating to cover them up.

Posted by: Arlen Williams at October 12, 2008 2:00 PM


His Man 12:45 I have never agreed with anything you have said, in this or any other post.

I do find your paranoia mildly amusing from time to time, and expect it to become even more amusing as the Obama presidency approaches.

Posted by: PPC at October 12, 2008 2:04 PM


Now tell me one thing I've listed that Hal or PPC or Reality would disagre with Barack doing?
Posted by: HisMan at October 12, 2008 12:45 PM


Okay, these:

He will enact FOCA.


He will begina campaign to demoralize the military.
Nation of Islam leader Farrakhan will become even more powerful.

He will cave into the demands of Islamic extremists and pull back from support of Israelwhich will result in even more of the loss of God's protection from our country.

As a result of the worldwide financial meltdown, he will use this as an excuse to form a one world government.

He will infuse massive amounts of cash to Planned Parenthood because more women under finiancial stress will now want to kill their babies but will be unable to pay for an abortion.

He will enact massive tax increases that will be justiifed by the rising debt of the government as a result of the Depression which will further exacerbate the problem.

The education system will be totally revised to a Bill Ayers revolutionary type curriculum.

He will enact massive welfare programs as justiifed by the state of the economy.

He will enact legislation that will criminalize descrimination against homosexuality, which will destroy the church. Underground churches will be forced to be started.

Thought crime and hate speech legislation will be enacted.

He will criminalize private education by taxing them into oblivion.

Guns and gold will be confiscated by the government.


Posted by: hal at October 12, 2008 3:06 PM



Let's not forget Obama and Bill Ayers, you know, that guy Obama only waved to when taking out his garbage.
Of course you have people you barely know hold fundraisers for you which would explain why Ayers and his terrorist wife Bernadine Dohrn held a fundraiser for Obama.
And you certainly launch your political career from the living rooms of people you barely know as well.
What if Tim McVey had gotten off on a technicality, the only difference between him an Ayers is that McVey killed more people and is now fertilizing the soil, and McCain had held a fundraiser at McVey's home?
What if McCain had associcated with unrepentent abortion clinic bombers, holding fundraisers in their living rooms?

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 3:06 PM


Oh Mary, who among us doesn't have an ex-radical bomber as a friend?

Posted by: hal at October 12, 2008 3:12 PM


To Hal and other pro abortion people:

I have to ask.... why do you spend your time hanging out here? I mean.... its not like you are going to change any minds?

Why dont you go where you belong? There are tons of liberal blogs and forums.

Posted by: Joanne at October 12, 2008 3:15 PM


I think we might be changing some minds. Look at the recent polls on Jill's site.

Do you really think this site would be more fun without us? Don't you think we're calming some irrational fears about Obama?

Posted by: hal at October 12, 2008 3:21 PM


They are not "irrational fears" Hal. Far from it!

And if you claim you are "changing some minds" to the pro death camp, how can you still sleep at night?

By the way, Obama is an extreme radical and in no way even remotely fit to be President. I would be against Obama even if he was as pro life as Sarah Palin is.

Posted by: Joanne at October 12, 2008 3:26 PM


hal: "Do you really think this site would be more fun without us?"

Actually, yes I do. Why not let us experiment?

Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at October 12, 2008 3:29 PM


Hal,3:12PM

I hear you! But they're mostly just neighbors, I wave to when I'm driving down the street. I also have called on these unrepentent terrorists, who I barely know, to use their living rooms as well.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 3:29 PM


Exactly, Mary. And when I serve on a half dozen boards with the same terrorist, I make sure to let him know that I don't approve of his actions and goals. And I always sit on the opposite side of the table, of course.

Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at October 12, 2008 3:31 PM


hal: "Do you really think this site would be more fun without us?"

Actually, yes I do. Why not let us experiment?
Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at October 12, 2008 3:29 PM

okay, Doyle, If you can convince the other obnoxious ones to join in, I'll take a two week break to see if you all lose interest in preaching to the choir. (I do have to come back Nov. 5th, just for fun)

Posted by: hal at October 12, 2008 3:42 PM


Doyle, 3:31PM

What a small world!

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 3:55 PM


Anyone else here see religulous yet?

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 4:55 PM


Hal,

While I do not agree with much of your conclusions as I understand them, I do apprectiate your ability to disagree without being disagreeable. You seem to do much better than I and most of my fellow christian/prolifers at not engaging in ad hominem attacks with those who disagree with you, even when they do not practice the same restraint.

I hope you will continue to participate in the market place of ideas. But if you decide to take a break, I hope you enjoy some quality time with your family.

yor bro ken

Posted by: kbhvac at October 12, 2008 4:59 PM


"Anyone else here see religulous yet?"

No PIP, was it any good?

has any body seen American Carol?

Posted by: Jasper at October 12, 2008 5:32 PM


"I'll take a two week break to see if you all lose interest in preaching to the choir. (I do have to come back Nov. 5th, just for fun)"

Hal,

You don't have it wrapped up yet. Obama is ahead 5-6 Nationaly, be he is starting to lose some of the lead. McCain is back up in Ohio.

Posted by: Jasper at October 12, 2008 5:36 PM


Jasper, in some ways it was very good. He was funny and in most cases generally warm to his interviewees. It didn't seem a lot of interviews were taken out of context.

I did think however that a lot of the discussions were rather shallow for the subject matter and it was a bit one-sided- but then again I don't think it claimed to be objective. He seemed to be critical of all religions equally but he didn't mention a lot of the good that can be found in religion.

Regardless it was enjoyable.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 5:39 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syRR-Xpn1T8

Posted by: JamieNov81 at October 12, 2008 5:47 PM


OBAMA IS A "PRO" !

Obama is pro-choice. His followers can choose either sudden death (the abortion of an unborn human) or slow death (the death of a homosexual with AIDS). But pro-choice Obama will never choose this pro-life slogan: "Unborn children should have the same right to be born alive that abortionists had!" To see what else Obama chooses, Google "Obama Supports Public Depravity" [or Google "Zombietime" and click on "Up Your Alley Fair"]. (This is Nancy Pelosi's district, and SF mayor Newsom told the SF cops to NOT arrest anyone exercising the perverted "rights" Obama approves of for use on public streets where children are!) After recovering, Yahoo "God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up" and "Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right." See all of this before the "God" named in all 50 state constitutions exercises His rights and responds with quakes, hurricanes, and other bad news. fairmack

(Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and Newsom did not approve of this message!)

Posted by: fairmack at October 12, 2008 6:21 PM


JamieNov81,

Great link. Oh no! it's The Obama Kids Song!
(Singing...)

"Obama's gonna change it, and re-arrange it..."
"Obama's gonna change the world."

....and turn things upside down (?)
Where's the SNL version? That would be hillarious!

BARACK OBAMA KIDS AND HITLER YOUTH SING FOR THEIR LEADER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM


Posted by: Janet at October 12, 2008 6:54 PM


I will vote for McCain because he has the both of worlds. I can be pro life with his newly found stance on abortion and I can be pro death with his love of wars...ummmmmm...that is one tasty candidate.

Posted by: PeachPit at October 12, 2008 7:17 PM


PPC:

Truth is always viewed as paranoia by those who are ignorant, unaware, oblivious, in denial, or otherwise doomed. Let's start here: Abortion is murder and damnable.

Would you have called those who warned about Hitler paranoid? I think MOST of Germany went along with Hitler. Who do you say got it right?

I'll pray that God open your eyes. The question really is will you be able to bear the truth or is your self-deception so entrenched and so willful that you won't be able to see? I don't know and I hope not.

However, don't ever say I didn't warn you in love.

Actually my hope is that I am wrong about the immediate future, however, looking at all the signs and evidence it is becoming more and more difficult not to see what is coming. In any event, whether near or far, Christians win.

Posted by: HisMan at October 12, 2008 7:20 PM


PeachPit:

You are soooooooooooo confused. Actually, it is only a warrior who has seen war who actaully wants to avoid it at all costs.

Perhaps you've not heard of this guy Barack Obama that wants to attack Pakistan and escalate the war in Afghanistan?

At least Barack is consistent. He's doesn't mind voting for laws that don't protect babies born alive after a failed abortion and he doesn't mind supporting Planned Parenthood who actually kills innocent children.

I wonder if Barack Obama has ever held the tiny remains of an aborted child? Or looked into the eyes of a woman who just aborted her child and now regrets what she did? I wonder if he's ever looked down the barrel of an AZ-47? Has he ever been in an airplane that was shot down and crashing havng to bail out of it?

Oh right, he was a community organizer, a paper pushing lawyer beauraucrat coward.

Posted by: HisMan at October 12, 2008 7:37 PM


The more Palin has spoken, the more Obama's popularity has increased. Yes, there are other factors too, but while McCain's handlers (rightly, IMO) want to use Palin as the "attack god" versus McCain himself, this tactic is not working at all.

It's symptomatic of a campaign that, at this late date, is giving up.

Palin is a reactionary, and the bottom line is that McCain cannot entertain a hope of winning if he alienates the many moderates who are still not sold on Obama.

However, the more Palin talks, the more moderates leave the McCain camp.

Posted by: Doug at October 12, 2008 7:59 PM


Okay, a correction is due there - that should be:

"use Palin as the "attack dog.."

Posted by: Doug at October 12, 2008 8:00 PM


Religulous also had a good soundtrack.

This movie season is going to be exciting. I mean this last year, what was good? Batman, that is about all I can think of on the top of my head. But, a lot of what is coming out looks legitimately good- that new Spike Lee movie and the new Oliver Stone movie, plus the Cohen brothers. Makes me begin thinking I need to subscribe to netflix after all.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 8:09 PM


HisMan 7:20PM

I have heard that 90% of the German people supported Hitler. Were the 10% opposing him wrong?
Oh sure, people lost their liberty, concentration camps sprang up, and ethnic groups were persecuted, but what were a few minor flaws in the stability, economic prosperity, and pride that Hitler restored to Germany? He was the Messiah, and people listened to his words, they disregarded his actions, past and present.
People sat in the post war rubble of Nazi Germany, longing for the days of prosperity and social order, when Hitler ran the show.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 8:20 PM


a VIDEO - Mike Huckabee: Global Financial Terrorism?.

Mike

Posted by: Mike at October 12, 2008 8:26 PM


Hal,
You know how I feel. Stay put.

Tonight, I hear that Hannity is doing a special on Barack. It would be interesting to watch and then discuss it on here...

Posted by: mk at October 12, 2008 8:28 PM


"Palin is a reactionary"


Doug,

why is questioning Obama's associations an attack? Many people would like to know. The Media still hasn't vetted Obama because they are in his camp.

Posted by: Jasper at October 12, 2008 8:30 PM


Mary, you are also probably forgetting the fact that Hitler was a dictator and brutally enforced his policies.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 8:34 PM


Jasper,

Come on, questioning the association of a presidential candidate with an unrepentent terrorist who wipes his feet on the American flag. Why would anyone do that? After all, Barack just waved to the guy when he took out his garbage.
We all have associcates and friends who were former bombers, right? So what's the issue?
We all hold political and social functions in the living rooms of people we barely know.
We all get great real estate deals from slumlords. We all have clergy who that we sit and listen to for 20 years, yet remain totally oblivious to what the clergyperson said or stood for.
Get off your soapbox Jasper.

The free ride Obama has gotten with the media is despicable. But what do you expect when a MSM journalist talks of getting a tingle up his leg when the Messiah orates?

Speaking of Messiah, Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, racist, anti-semite(he once called the Jewish faith a "gutter religion") who rec'd an award from Obama's pastor, has called Obama "The Messiah".

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 8:45 PM


PIP,

No I haven't forgotten. He was initially put in power by the German electorate. I'm well aware he was a brutal dictator, but he was also viewed as a Messiah who had restored order, prosperity, and pride to post WWI Germany. According to one TV special I saw, he did enjoy the overwhelming support of Germans for this reason. People were mesmerized by his oratory and charisma. His brutality would be tolerated and viewed as a small price to pay for all the "good" he did for Germany.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 8:52 PM


Mary


"In MRC’s October 9 Media Reality Check, "Media Silence on Abortion Aids Radical Obama," Rich Noyes outlined how the news media have been out to lunch on examining Barack Obama’s radical pro-abortion stance during the Democratic campaign for the presidential nomination. The report found that the network evening newscasts "barely mentioned Obama’s pro-abortion stance during the primaries — from the launch of his candidacy in January 2007 through the end of the primaries in June 2008, just 6 out of 1,289 network evening news stories about Obama (0.46%) mentioned his position on abortion; none discussed it in any detail"

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/10/10/mainstream-media-ignore-obama-s-radical-abortion-record

Posted by: Jasper at October 12, 2008 8:56 PM


Janet, 6:54PM

Scary isn't it? What's even more frightening is adults who actually do believe this, that some leader will take us down the primrose path.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 8:58 PM


Jasper,

Its certainly no secret the media has long been in the tank for Obama. Didn't the Clintons have some issue with the media favoritism as well where coverage of the primaries was concerned?

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 9:02 PM


Jasper,

One distinct memory I have growing up in the height of the Cold War was the communist vow, I'm not sure what leader it was, maybe Kruschev, that they would take the United States without firing a shot. Looks like they just might.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 9:07 PM


Mary, next year this will be our new national anthem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 9:20 PM


Joe 11:28am

Now I'm reading that Barney Frank has a boyfriend who is an executive in Fannie Mae. A little conflict of interest here?

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 9:23 PM


Mary,

yes, the problem is with the younger voting block. Our edjucation system these days puts a positive spin on socialism. It's quite sad.

All of the older voters are dying off (the greatest generation)

Posted by: Jasper at October 12, 2008 9:26 PM


We LOVE war! It is gods mission!

-Sarah and John

Posted by: PeachPit at October 12, 2008 9:27 PM


John,

What a hoot. I don't this is far fetched. We already have children singing to his glory and audiences who become orgasmic when Obama blows his nose. Before long we'll have our little red books, "Quotations of President Obama".

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 9:28 PM


I love to sniff dogs' butts!

-PeachPit

I love eating reindeer crap!

-PeachPit

I'm a little teapot short and stout!

-PeachPit

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 9:31 PM


Mary,

No surprise there. We have "educators" like Bill Ayers, the neighbor Obama waves to on occasion, teaching at one of our universities.
How many more are just like him?

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 9:31 PM


Jasper,

I meant to address that post to you not myself!!
I had a pretty rough weekend celebrating a relative's 50th. I'm too old for that.
I may talk to myself on occasion but certainly not post!

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 9:33 PM


Lies on top of lies on top of lies on top of lies, anything to get my candidate elected!

-PeachPit

Sure, Obama might be a socialist who helped to cause the banking crisis through his work with ACORN, but... but... let's blame it on the Republicans because Barry's sooo cool! Obama 4 eva!

-PeachPit

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 9:36 PM


this is hillirious.

A pro-McCain/Palin march thru Manhatten!

The good stalinists aren't taking to the patriotic americans too well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI

Posted by: Jasper at October 12, 2008 9:48 PM


John,

Speaking of ACORN, in Milwaukee there was serious concern about voter fraud after it was discovered that ACORN had hired convicted felons to collect and hold voter registrations.
They can't find law abiding citizens to work for them? Or are law abiding citizens just less willing to involve themselves in fraud?

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 9:53 PM


Mary, I heard that in Connecticut, ACORN signed up a 7-year-old girl to vote. They aren't kidding about Obama getting the "youth vote"!

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 9:56 PM


Mary,

The people in Germany also kind of wanted a dictatorship, over the "democracy" that was set up for them. I don't think we ever had the desire for a dictatorship and I think everyone here wants strict limits on the president's power.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 10:04 PM


PIP,

Post WWI Germany was in chaos. A dictatorship likely looked very good, especially when it meant prosperity, social order, and the restoration of pride. If it came with a heavy price in civil liberties and freedom, so be it.

I'm more concerned about gov't power and what Obama can do with a tax hungry congress and senate and a populace that has little regard for his background and inexperience, just his flowery oratory.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 10:13 PM


John 9:56PM

I heard a cat was signed up in Ohio. Apparently some injunction has been issued there because of suspected fraud, but I haven't heard anything more.
We're starting to look more and more like some third world backwater.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2008 10:16 PM


Cats for Obama? Change you can meow in? Hope! Change! Purrrrr!

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 10:24 PM


Here's some more Hope and Change!!

From Sarah Palin's visit to Philly, the City of Brotherly Hate:

"Outside on Broad Street, waiting for Palin to leave, one man was heard saying: "Let's stone her, old school.""

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/pds-mobsters-in-philly-lets-stone-her-old-school/

Stone her! STONE HER!! For the glory of LORD BARRY!!! OBAMA AKBAR!!!

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 10:46 PM


Interesting take on all this, I haven't seen before. See what you all think:

"I want to add, though, that this seems, to me, to point out a distinct difference between the Democratic base and the Republican base.

I think, for the most part, we see politics as the clash of competing ideas. Which is why a lot of alleged Democrats and liberals were willing to give the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt for so long. Those of us on the "angry left" (the "dirty fucking hippies" to use Atrios's phrase) were left helplessly pointing out that Bush was lying us into war, that his administration was staffed with incompetent cronies, that his proposed social security policies were presented dishonestly and were actually a big gift to Wall Street at the expense of the least among us. Eventually, more and more people came around to our view, because it got really hard to avoid--Bush and his minions didn't just represent an alternate set of proposals we could battle honestly, they represented something much more insidious, dishonest, and destructive.

People who reached this conclusion did so almost entirely on policy grounds. Bush's policies, and their results, just got so hateful and disastrous that open-minded people could no longer ignore it, which is why Bush's approval ratings are now dipping to sub-Nixonian levels.

In short, it wasn't that we hate him and therefore we look for reasons to justify that hate. For the most part, we started out giving him the benefit of the doubt and found that his actions left hating him as the only honest option.

Contrast that to the way conservatives, even allegedly "mainstream" ones, treated Bill Clinton. From the very, very beginning, they accused him of having murdered Vince Foster, of being a drug smuggler, of operating death squads in Arkansas to whack his political enemies, of somehow having committed impeachable offenses in a 1974 Arkansas land deal on which he lost money. They hated him with a passion that bordered on psychosis.

And it clearly wasn't that they hated him because of his policies, or even because they'd heard that he was a murderer or a rapist or a drug smuggler. They hated him because he was THE ENEMY.

And this is my point. The conservative base doesn't see politics as a clash of competing legitimate ideas. It sees politics, and everything else, as a clash between good and evil. When George W. Bush said "you're either with us or you're against us," he wasn't just talking about that one moment in history. Conservatives think that about literally everything.

During the Cold War they were able to conveniently structure their worldview along capitalist vs. communist lines. When that ended, they had ten years to wait for al Qaeda to offer them a new group to hate. So they spent the 90s adrift. And, rather than adapt to newer, more complex realities and engage in an honest debate with Democrats and liberals about how to move forward, they just cast American politics in the same tribalist terms.

They hate Bill Clinton because, to them, the whole world is a Saturday morning cartoon, populated by Good Guys and Bad Guys. They see the world like I did when I was 5. And their identity as Good Guys requires them, at all times, to be fighting against some historic and unprecedented EVIL FORCE. After the cold war, they conveniently and suddenly had a Democratic president to hate. So, they believed all that sh*t about him not because they found it plausible, but because it conveniently fit into their need for the opposition not just to be the opposition, but to be THE BAD GUY.

In short, it had nothing whatsoever to do with policy (Clinton actually agreed with them on a number of issues, like welfare reform). They hated him because that's how they feel about the enemy, and all those ridiculous slurs fit neatly into their need to justify their hate.

So no, there is no equivalence. The difference is categorical. We feel that a lively and engaged and honest policy debate is essential to effective governance. They feel that He-Man needs to crush and defeat Skeletor.

Conservatism in the 1990s had a distinctly anti-authority slant. The fringe of that movement was utterly convinced that Clinton was a tyrant who was going to come take their guns away and make them bow down to the UN or something. Somewhat more "mainstream" conservatives, at the very least, felt that it was the epitome of patriotism not just to disagree with Clinton, but to absolutely loathe and detest him, to regard him as illegitimate despite his having twice been legitimately elected president.

And then, bizarrely, after a Republican got "elected" president, they did a 180, and became hardcore authoritarians, regarding any criticism of the new president, however mild, as not only unpatriotic, but treasonous. the "good guy/bad guy" lines were redrawn: Bush was the Good Guy. Al Qaeda was the Bad Guy--and so was anybody who said anything bad about Bush the noble hero and his quest to vanquish the Bad Guys.

As usual, there is no such thing as legitimate disagreement. It's always good vs. evil.

And the hateful, Munich-beer-hall style crowds at McCain/Palin rallies is a sign of how this is going to manifest in the Obama/Biden administration. It'll be the 90s all over again but with a "terrorist" flavor.

To these crowds of crazy-base-world conservatives, Barack Obama is the Bad Guy for the same reason Bill Clinton is--he's the opposition, and there is no such thing as legitimate opposition. He has a Muslim-sounding name, which feeds nicely into their preexisting framework of Muslim Bad Guys, but even if he didn't, they would still be calling him a "terrorist" because to them, "terrorist" is simply a synonym for "Bad Guy." And any Democrat about to be elected president would by definition play that role for them.

I don't know exactly why they always see things this way. Maybe tribalism is built into our genes by evolution (in ancient times it made us more likely to protect our own genetic line, and thus those genes survived). Maybe fundamentalist Christianity has something to do with it, casting the universe as it does in stark good vs. evil terms (witness the rumors that Obama might be the antichrist).

I suppose we can congratulate ourselves on having, to a much greater degree, transcended our tribalist evolutionary roots and come to see the world in more nuanced terms, as a clash of competing ideas rather than a war between GI Joe and Cobra. Because there is absolutely no equivalence. We are not like them. (And, to their credit, some conservative intellectuals, like David Brooks and Christopher Buckley, have begun to acknowledge that the intellectual conservatism of decades past has been replaced by lizard-brained reactionary ignorance--Buckley has even endorsed Obama).

They are the small-minded thugs. We strive to be ruled by the better angels of our natures. Keep fighting the good fight. This time at least, we're about to win."

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 10:55 PM


Hey PIP, thanks for copy-pasting that load of complete horse crap. Here are some good photos for you:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/quixoticlife/

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 11:07 PM


John L.,

Re: Flicker photos
Oh, I bet their parents are proud!
What dorks.

. . . . . . . . . .

PiP,

When's the last time you saw hate-filled crowds in Beer halls in Munich?

Posted by: Janet at October 12, 2008 11:23 PM


Sarah Palin,

You go, girl! God bless you!

Posted by: Janet at October 12, 2008 11:25 PM


PIP,

what are your thoughts on Che Guevara?

http://porcupinerim.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/james-burge_che_guevara_and_associate.jpg

Posted by: Jasper at October 12, 2008 11:26 PM


Janet,

I didn't write the article. But, I am taking a holocaust class, so I've seen my fair share of film and photos.

I read it, thought it was interesting, and might be something different to read in the midst of obama-is-evil posts, ya know? Doesn't hurt to read other perspectives. :)

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 11:28 PM


Here are the three stages to liberalism:

-Deny morality. As in the stinking pile of nonsense that PIP copy/pasted, liberalism starts by denying that anything can be defined as good or evil. Rather, everything is "gray".

-Once the victim of liberalism begins to doubt morality, he will begin to doubt everything he has ever been taught. Verily, he will begin to doubt even his own mind and senses. The indoctrination is nearly complete. Now that he has been emptied of everything that once made him a human individual, he can be filled with something else.

-The final stage of liberalism is to take those who have had their individualism crushed by having their faith in orthodoxy, tradition, and morality destroyed and teach them a new morality and a new reality. In this liberal reality, George Bush is truly evil, but not Islamic fascists - they are merely lashing out against Bush's evil policies. Those who oppose the great Obama are also evil. That means John McCain is evil, and Sarah Palin is evil. That makes it OK to do or say anything to make sure that McCain and Palin are defeated, no matter how dishonest or downright crazy.

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 11:32 PM


"Doesn't hurt to read other perspectives. :)"

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 11:28 PM

Agreed. That's why I do in fact own a book by Ann Coulter (though I do lament I bought it new rather than used from a yard sale. Kinda disliked giving her more money)

Posted by: Dan at October 12, 2008 11:33 PM


Jasper,

You can't just post random pictures of office hangings like it means anything.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 11:35 PM


"Doesn't hurt to read other perspectives. :)"

Reading too much stupid stuff may cause brain damage.

Posted by: John Lewandowski at October 12, 2008 11:35 PM


Dan,

me too, only it's not Coulter, it's John Stossel. A little less radical but a conservative libertarian nonetheless. From what I read I do believe he was being honest so I respect him for that.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 11:37 PM


I also do intend to read shut up and sing at some point- it's on my reading list. I have how to talk to a liberal on my reading list- I tried to read it but it was a bit disgusting, so I didn't finish it, but it is still on my reading list for possible future.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 11:41 PM


PIP-

Ah, I have Godless. I find her writing to sensationalist for my liking to be honest, and I also think it seems pretty bitter and just plain old angry.

I must say I love reading political writing/commentary. I find it fascinating. Kinda want to write a book of my own one day, but I kinda lack the dedication right now. I'm hoping that maybe I can do it by the time I reach my senior thesis though.

Posted by: Dan at October 12, 2008 11:44 PM


Dan I totally agree.

I do find her bitter and angry, which is why I was pretty disgusted. I'd rather talk about something you know...rationally. How To Talk started up saying thinks like "liberals like movies like the Sixth Sense..." and I was just like what? this is retarded.
At least Stossel, I disagree with his political leanings, but he presents his data with how he sees it and he does so respectfully and I appreciate it. I actually inherited it from a friend.
I have no idea about Ingrams style but I'll borrow first before buying, just in case :P

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 11:50 PM


PIP.

Let'a float your boat for ya.

A W80 nuclear warhead exploded in San Francisco harbor killing hundreds of thousands. It appears the warhead was dialed up to 150kt.


President Obama suspects disaffected Americans working within the military/civilian network is the probable cause of the unprovoked use of a WND.


A presidential order has been issued for martial law authority, and arrest of American citizens has begun.
Who do you think did it PIP? Which Americans are the suspects?

Some experts outside the government have given a different decision on who is behind the terrorist attack on a blue city. These experts believe it was a terrorist attack by jihadist connected to OBL.

This pov was denied by President Obama and the arrestof American citizens, with no immediate charges brought before a judge, continue.

What do you think, who did it if it was a American sponsored WND attack, PIP?

Posted by: yllas at October 12, 2008 11:53 PM


yllas, seeing as your post made absolutely no sense, I think I'll put you on "Ignore mode' with Mr. John. See ya!

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 12, 2008 11:56 PM


PIP-

Agreed, it doesn't seem to make sense at all.

Posted by: Dan at October 12, 2008 11:58 PM


Dan,

hows your blog going?

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 13, 2008 12:06 AM


PIP, your such a coward.
Given the fact that thousands upon thousands of nuclear weapons have been manufactured for fifty years, it's a matter of time that a nuclear warhead is exploded upon a American city.

The cat is outta the bag since 1945, and it is morally acceptable to use such weapons.

When one brings you a situation which is going to occur in this nation, you do exactly what a typical coward does, ignore a simple question concerning a inevitable event in American history.

What is Obama going to do, considering that those nukes have been left laying about on some tarmac in the USA already. Gates fired the top brass who allowed such activities.
Which Americans would be the usual suspects in your tiny mind PIP?

Or are you a simple minded, brainwashed little girl, spouting off talking points of a unqualified Presidential candidate who should be asked what his response to domestic terrorism should be? You know a modern day Bill Ayers attitude.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 12:10 AM


Dan-

LOVE the convo with Danny C on your first post. Way to start it up!

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 13, 2008 12:15 AM


Tell me PIP the dreamer, do you believe that no nuclear weapons will be used against American soil in your lifetime?

A simple yes or no will do dreamer.

Considering the fact the America has murdered soo many millions around the world since its conception, and blood revenge is natural, are you really unable to answer a simple existential question, from being a typical coward towards questions touching upon the most basic decisions a president must contemplate daily?

Oh, I see you leave the thinking to Obama.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 12:19 AM



Today Jill Stanek was detained by the FBI with other right wing extremist propagandist writers at WND.


When asked for the reason for detaining Stanek, the special task force implemented by President Obama replied "It was to protect Stanek, since a right wing pro lifer is being detained by the government in the nuclear WND attack upon San Francisco.Also, Americans are lynching such "political types" in the streets daily.

And what do you do PIP? Immediately contact the task force and defend or convict Stanek for being involved in the right wing pro life movement associated with a WND attack upon American soil?

Afterall, who else, and what type of American would mass murder those homosexuals in San Francisco but a right wing homophobe? Right PIP, the cowardly dreamer.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 12:30 AM


Come on you dreamer PIP, answer the questions put to you. Afterall, only a right winger can do such acts. Look at McVey, a ex-military, gun show dealer, seeking revenge upon the government that made him lose all humanity by running over those Iraqi's in a Abrams tank. At least he had convictions and courage, turning upon those that made him into a killing monster, did he not PIP?

And what are you made of, PIP the dreamer? Why cowardness and a ability to not think for yourself unless Obama moves your lips for ya.


Obama is only doing what is obviously apparent to millions of Americans. Name one left wing terrorist who murdered fellow Americans for some "cause"? None, that's the number, and you know I'm right you typical product of leftist educated propagandist.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 12:45 AM


It's a wonder yllas has yet to be banned IMO, all that seems to come out of her posts is insults and unrelated/often nonsensical posts.

PIP-

Yeah, Danny C is an interesting character, I hope he sticks around. He's generated a fair amount of discussion.

It's been going well, trying to figure out what article I'm going to write tomorrow though

Posted by: Dan at October 13, 2008 1:01 AM


Where do all these Democrats get off saying abortion is a non-issue. They would wish it into a non-issue if they could because it cramps there drive for lust. They say they care about all life issue and that because of the Republicans (which is total BS) we have more wars like Iraq..... News flash, 46,000 human beings were killed in Illinois alone last year. But that doesn't sit well with the devils little helpers who have a political platform to keep building baby killing fortresses throughout our society and keep the killing legal. They are so frickin phony tat they even manage to fool themselves.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 13, 2008 1:03 AM


Sure Dan.

A domestic terrorist attack, using a American nuclear warhead upon San Francisco, and your sock puppet, PIP, is unable to answer who be da suspects, since it was a American W80 warhead.


Tell me Dan, are you a dreamer too? Do you believe that no nuclear weapons will be used against American soil in your cowardly lifetime?

If a American nuclear warhead is used against a American city, who would be the most likely suspects, since it was secured against foreign terrorist by the Bush, and of course the Obama presidency?

I'm with Obama, a right wing American did it. It's obvious Dan.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 1:21 AM



Now, here is the point you dispicable examples of political toadiness PIP and Dan.


As soon as I accused, and set up a scenario of a American destroying a American city, you didn't denounce me in any way. Accusing Americans of terrorism is a acceptable way of thinking to you cowarldy Dan and PIP.

You are puppets of left wing propaganda unable to answer questions which gave you a opportunity to defend Stanek at a minimum, and all Americans against such blood libel.

Another words, Hitler,Stalin, to Mao has always found such cowards as PIP and Dan, the most easy to convince of a crime committed by the oppposing political opposition. Such as the Reichstag fire to the show trials of the USSR, to the Red Guard purges of Mao to eliminate political opposition.

Congratualations you stooges, PIP and Dan. You get a A for being students of a education system that allows you to be left answering my post libeling Americans with such heavy hitters as; "It's a wonder yllas has yet to be banned IMO, all that seems to come out of her posts is insults and unrelated/often nonsensical posts."


Here's a hint Dan and PIP, it wasn't about you dude and dudette. It was about you accepting the dispicable charge that a American can mass murder fellow citizens. You reply with a post which are actually soo narcissistic in reply(she called me a coward), that it sickens one to even have to write this post, in a hope you understand the depths of your narcissism.


It wasn't about you Dan, and that dreamer PIP.

You epitomize what propaganda can do to a mind open to being propagandized into not being able to defend your nation.


When I hang you on a situation where your hero Obama is arresting Stanek, you allow that libel to stand. Think it's not real? Why go read WND and their story on

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Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 1:53 AM


Here Dan.

I accept that I should be banned from this site, but you serve a purpose to Mk.,et al. Your able to get MK's confidence easily, since MK already wrote she would leave this site if it was "only pro life posters". Which translates into allowing anti-Catholic bigots, pro child molesters, pro abortionist, a certain forgivness factor for such sinners and sodomites. Trouble is, there is nothing to forgive, and all to pursue in insulting pro lifers who post here into infinity.

Pro life posters are not important at this site, unless they have a dream to evangelize a confidence man such as you Dan.

Here's a prediction cowardly Dan, within a year of Obama ascending to his throne, Stanek will be gone. Unable to get sustain this site by financial and evangelical reasons.

But, nothing changes in the heart of cowards, who allow a person to libel their fellow Americans accused of mass murder by nuclear means. That being you Dan, and PIP the dreamer.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 2:10 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related

Posted by: mk at October 13, 2008 6:01 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related

John McCain in 2006.

ALL the democrats voted no.

Oh, except one. That one. He didn't vote. Why am I not surprised?

Posted by: mk at October 13, 2008 6:07 AM


"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-- Barack Obama

"Life's tough...it's even tougher if you're stupid."
-- John Wayne

Posted by: Eileen #2 at October 13, 2008 6:54 AM


I agree with Dan, and I'd also add that I am surprised John L isn't banned yet or James for spamming.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 13, 2008 7:53 AM


Michael Barone: The coming liberal thugocracy:

Obama's Chicago style thug tactics against free speech:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/

Posted by: Jasper at October 13, 2008 8:31 AM


Even if an abortion survivor was "still a fetus", (s)he would still be a human life worth protecting. This would be the same individual human life whether in a fetal, infant, toddler, schoolchild, teenager, twentysomething, etc. Palin's language seem to imply that "just a fetus" legitimizes dehumanizing, objectifying and destroying anyone in that stage of development. What's up with that?

Palin says that abortion is OK if it is to save the life of the mother, thus parroting the proabort lie that murdering children is somehow therapeutic for their mothers, which it isn't. Infanticide of an ex-utero child would be much safer, at least physically, for the mother.

Even honest proabortion doctors admit this much. The only clear case in which a growing unborn child presents a threat to the mother's life is that of an ectopic pregnancy; in that case, of course, it is necessary to remove the child from the mother and it is still medically impossible, at that early stage of development, to save the life of the child. Perhaps further technological advances will change that, too; but it isn't quite the same thing as an induced abortion, which has as it's main objective the killing of the child. In the meantime, technological advances have already made it possible for a skilled obstetrician to bring virtually any woman and child safely through any other type of difficult pregnancy.

Rhetoric aside, I don't expect McPalin to do much, if elected, to stem the bloodbath of America's preborn. McCain's pro-death voting record aside, it seems extremely naive, at best, to expect any committed member of the Council on Foreign Relations to do anything substantive in this regard, seeing that the CFR is committed to bringing about a One World Government. All globalists are committed to drastic population reduction to a number far lower than the world's present population; this is probably why "W" said that the US wasn't "ready" to overturn Roe v. Wade. An odd remark for such a purported advocate of a "culture of life", seeing that none of Roe's victims were "ready" to die. The majority of them had barely begun to live. Of the others, many of them found themselves much readier to die after their children had been killed; and of those, not all are given a choice...in any case, W's remark makes sense in view of the fact that he is a member of the CFR, so his first loyalty is to their agenda. Obama and McCain are no different in this very crucial regard. I'll be voting for Chuck Baldwin; anyone else interested in change for the better can learn more at baldwin08.com.

Posted by: jtm at October 13, 2008 8:39 AM



Ah, the teachers pet,PIP is admiting to being unable to think without Dan being in agreement.


John L. offers more intellectual integrity at this site then you PIP. In fact, I do by admiting that I should be banned from this site.

Tell us dreamer, offer to this board one reason why you think you should be banned from this post board?

Tell me PIP the dreamer, do you believe that no nuclear weapons will be used against American soil in your lifetime?

A simple yes or no will do dreamer.

Are you unable to think from fear,the natural emotion of cowardness, put into every person, that paralyzes reason, such as you PIP the dreamer?

The day will come in your lifetime where a nuclear weapon(s) will be used on American soil, and you only read words which concern your emotional arena circling yourself PIP, the dreamer.

Which American political party will be the obvious suspect under the party hack presidency of Obama PIP?


Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 8:40 AM


John L might be one of the funniest, wittiest writers of our time! The way he attributes fake quotes to posters is exactly what I did with John "The Coward" McCain and Caribou Barbie. See how I got those in there? He invented that.

I suggest one thing for McCain supporters. Get your support groups together now. Console each other each and everyday....and worry about the unborn while our born suffer everyday...

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 8:46 AM


PIP,
If there was justice, all baby murderers would be banned, not only from this site, but from walking the streets as free people.
While some think coddling the un-repentent is worthy of respect, in all truth, it's a sickening view. God doesn't coddle the un-repentent, He leaves them to their own devices and once this life is over they will reap the death they sowed, for enternity.

You're a great example of the brainwashed youth of America.
The ACLU and other communist sympathisers knew if they just got into the education system, there would never be a need to overthrow this government.

Ayers and the like have had great success, only God can stop them at this point.

Posted by: sandi at October 13, 2008 9:05 AM


Every woman that has an abortion needs to be locked up as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 9:15 AM


I suggest one thing for McCain supporters. Get your support groups together now. Console each other each and everyday....and worry about the unborn while our born suffer everyday...

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 8:46 AM

What a party hack. A toady posting the party line. Obama is not going to have any effect on economics set in motion by a generation failing to pay what they borrowed. And you might be one of those deadbeats Peach Pit. But, I bet your going to reply your not of course.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 9:17 AM


Yilas, I suggest the McCain Supporter Who Wanted A Different GOP Candidate Group or you might want to choose the I Hope McCain Leaves Cindy for Sarah group...both are excellent choices.

McCain will start one of his own titled War: What is it good for? Everything!

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 9:21 AM


I love that if you are young and liberal you are "the brainwashed youth of America." Like we can't possibly come up with opinions by ourselves. Thanks for your concern sandi, but I'm just fine where I'm at.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 13, 2008 9:22 AM


A pro-McCain/Palin march thru Manhatten!

The good stalinists aren't taking to the patriotic americans too well...

LOL Jasper, thank you for that video! It has been an awful two weeks and I needed some comic relief.

"Area intellectuals?" Did people flash their diplomas along with their middle fingers? And tell me, what is the number of PhD's in that ten block radius? Oh but my favorite part was: "Fact: Islamic radicals would be more welcome on the Upper West Side than American patriots." wtf?

Anyway, there are plenty of Republicans in NYC. The Upper East Side would probably be the best place to find them, but they do tend to be socially liberal Republicans so a lot of them are bunkered down right now, ashamed of what their party has turned into. That's not a judgment I'm making -- I'm not saying they should be ashamed -- it's just what I've heard/seen from them.

There are jerks everywhere. Personally I'd rather have someone flip me the middle finger because I was marching in a McCain rally, than key my car for its Obama sticker. Which happened to someone in the charming, patriotic, "real America" town my boyfriend comes from. Jerks are jerks, no matter who they're voting for.

Posted by: Alexandra at October 13, 2008 9:23 AM


Every woman that has an abortion needs to be locked up as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 9:15 AM

Every women should be locked up with peach pit until peach pit finishes propagandizing those women for the O.

After which they will be offered another car loan, student loan, or mortgage for their American dream, which leads to another round of demanding another loan by Oboma's magic money machine.

Here's a hint.

To all those silly under 35 year old strivers, Oboma has already stated that education, home ownership is a right of citizens of the USA..

Being that your generation has stolen "debt money", by failure to honor your word and signature on those debt money obligations, the pension/IRA/stock market shares of your parent(s) investments, which were put up as a security on your word to pay your debt money, your going to get your reward by being sheared as you approach retirement age too.

Oboma has declared he will allow the same market conditions to continue under his reign. And for a striver, such as Peach Pit, it makes good sense to steal from her parent(s) first, others, and any person with a dollar more then her name posseses in debt money.

It's the American dream, since Peach Pit became aware of her economic rights as a child with her mouth watering at some want or desire, and not having the debt money to secure that want. Say, like a bag of Lay Potato chips at her local mini mart which demanded some of her money in return for those fryed potatoes in a bag.

Then again, Peach Pit never stole a thing in her life. Just as those that stole that debt money given them by a bank in the form of a debit card, which produces for banks a $19.2 billion stream of income(which is illusionary deby money too), from betting on Peach PIT being a deadbeat about debt money payments. Or in parlance understandable to a Obomanomic stooge; writing a hot check.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 9:57 AM


I love that if you are young and liberal you are "the brainwashed youth of America." Like we can't possibly come up with opinions by ourselves. Thanks for your concern sandi, but I'm just fine where I'm at.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 13, 2008 9:22 AM

Slowly, very slowly, you will realize that you never had a original thought in your life PIP the dreamer. You are a mental/conscience/invention/product of those that lived before you, feeding you every thought known by them, and transfering that knowledge into your personal piece of meat, teeming with non-aware electrical impulses forming your consciousness.

Such a child, frozen in fear, unable to answer a simple question put to you about the most existential threat to your existence by fellow Americans using WMD's on their own nation.

Another example of having no formed opinion until the O speaks on such matters, PIP the dreamer?

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 10:13 AM


Alexandra,

One of my friends had her car keyed and her McCain sticker ripped off. It happens to both sides. People need to grow up, this is America and people can vote for whomever they want to and shouldn't have their cars vandalized for it.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at October 13, 2008 10:17 AM


I would leave too if there were only pro-life posters. I mean, what exactly would be to discuss? You're pro-life? HEY, me too! :high five:

That would get kinda boring after a couple of days.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at October 13, 2008 10:21 AM


Yilas makes too many assumptions.

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 10:27 AM


Yilas, I suggest the McCain Supporter Who Wanted A Different GOP Candidate Group or you might want to choose the I Hope McCain Leaves Cindy for Sarah group...both are excellent choices.

McCain will start one of his own titled War: What is it good for? Everything!

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 9:21 AM

Written as a typical coward Peach Pit. Remember, Democrats have used more Americans as cannon fodder then any Republican administration known to the history of the USA.

60 million dead from being a typical failed stateman, named FDR. 500k soldiers from lying that he was not going to send their son's off to die in some foreign nation's soil.

Care to discuss that lying Democrat president named Wilson Peach Pit?

Here is a scenario for ya Peach Pit.

A terrorist attack is launched on the USA, a new president, the O, has been notified that the evidence points to the nuclear warhead that detonated in San Fran bay, was manufactured by the USA.

Who should be suspected of such a brave political statement of opposition, to the O's administration?

Or should the O, actually find another source for the use of a terrorist WMD on a American city?

Should your single letter god, known as O, lie to the American public Peach pit?

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 10:32 AM


Yilas makes too many assumptions.

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 10:27 AM

I assume your another deadbeat under, or close to 35 years of age, Peach Pit. Afterall, who you gonna blame for the financial crisis begun by Carter in 1977, and is bearing fruit in those under 35 year old consumers of debt money. Which was swapped for daddy and mommy's retirement savings,etc.

But of course your not one of those deadbeats, it's always someone else who writes a hot check, or continues their education for 10 years and beyond, knowing they have to pay off what they borrowed the minute they stop going to be edumacted.

In fact, you have never known a person that has failed to honor their signature on a "securitized loan" to this day. Which makes me wonder why would you vote for the O, since you have no idea of the personality and integrity of those millions of deadbeats which must exist if one is to believe the appeal of the O. Which is to allow them to be given "another chance" to wipe out all the economic worth of those older suckers then you Peach Pit. Such as your parent(s).

Which brings up a ethical question Peach Pit. If your parent or family member is unable to continue living in their dream house, by being wiped out by the deadbeat generation, and your sucking off their teat for at least 18 years of age, what would you do for those victims of Obomanomics as they become dreamless?

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 10:52 AM


Again, Yilas makes way TOO many assumptions when writing.

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 10:54 AM


BTW, Peach Pit.

Studies have shown that liberals give the least to charity. Being your a stooge for liberals, and for the O of change, one might assume, no actually know, what would befall a parent of you, Pit, and the economic failure brought on by the deadbeat generation they raised. Call the Adult Services dad or mom.

Typical liberal.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 11:05 AM


Way TOO TOO many assumptions from Yilas.

McCain loves leaving kids fatherless and motherless.

Bomb bomb iran! My grandkids won't even pay for this war, let's have more!

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 11:08 AM



Still waiting stooge Pit.

A terrorist attack is launched on the USA, a new president, the O, has been notified that the evidence points to the nuclear warhead that detonated in San Fran bay, was manufactured by the USA.

Who should be suspected of such a brave political statement of opposition, to the O's administration?

Or should the O, actually find another source for the use of a terrorist WMD on a American city?

Should your single letter god, known as O, lie to the American public Peach pit?

Your such a stooge and rank propagandist for the O. That given a chance to answer a question concerning national security matters, you go silent and obviously are imitating the O method of silencing his opposition, by avoiding a answer to what is easily assumed in matters of national security, as a future event.

Or are you a dreamer too Peach Pit?. Do you believe that no nuclear weapon's, are going to be detonated on USA soil, while you live out your cowardly life Peach Pit?

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 11:16 AM


I'm not very presidential so I don't really know what O would do but I doubt find another source. What would Yilas do? I mean Jack Bauer. If you know that we will be attacked, why not tell anyone! Go tell someone Lassie, I mean Yilas!

I'm just glad McCain has done all he can as Senator to stop another attack. He knows how to get bin laden, the man responsible. But he's waiting...McCain is the coward here. Says he knows how to win wars? Well here is one way not to win...GET CAUGHT!

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 11:26 AM


Way TOO TOO many assumptions from Yilas.

McCain loves leaving kids fatherless and motherless.

Bomb bomb iran! My grandkids won't even pay for this war, let's have more!

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 11:08 AM

I could care less if Mccain is president Peach Pit.

But, your grandkids parent's have taken your investments and stuck them in their pockets as a house foreclosure, car default again,, and student loans not payed off.

Oh, wait, your children are not those millions of deadbeat genners, who have no integrity or honor when they signed their name on a paper with no intention of honoring that debt money. O is going to relief them of the last vestige of integrity you never taught them from being a typical liberal ignoring direct questions being asked you PP.

Posted by: Anonymous at October 13, 2008 11:30 AM


I'm not very presidential so I don't really know what O would do
Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 11:26 AM

Well, you are one simple minded stooge Peach Pit.

Just as I thought, unable to answer a direct question concerning what is considered a future event in the history of the USA.

What makes me know your a stooge is that the nations sponsoring terrorism have already been told the answer to a nuclear detonation on American soil. And your such a weak minded, fear filled stooge, you'll vote for the only American that would easily blame another American for such a terrorist attack on the USA. THE O.

Come on PP, I state that O will demand the arrest of fellow Americans if a nuclear manufactured weapon is detonated on a liberal city of the USA.

Who are the usual suspects PP?

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 11:41 AM


yllas-

is it that far fetched to think an American could perform such an attack? Evidence points that to certainly being a possibility, as well as the possibility of there being a terror cell in the area that got its hands on a nuke, or a variety of other possibilities. An American could do it just as well as a foreign or terrorist agent.

Posted by: Dan at October 13, 2008 11:48 AM


yllas-
The president ought to demand arrests if there is evidence that someone has connections, was aware of the coming attack, etc. Reliable intel should be followed, recognized faulty intel, however, should not.

Posted by: Dan at October 13, 2008 11:50 AM


Maybe the gargae of Yilas's house should be looked into...just making a sweeping assumption here...

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 12:49 PM


PiP @ Oct 11:11:28 PM,

Janet, I didn't write the article. But, I am taking a holocaust class, so I've seen my fair share of film and photos.

I read it, thought it was interesting, and might be something different to read in the midst of obama-is-evil posts, ya know? Doesn't hurt to read other perspectives. :)

I didn't realize the analogy of the beer halls was to Hitler's time. I get it. Since you mentioned the Holocaust, do you see a resemblance between the Obama's Children video made in California, and the Hitler Youth video footage? I think it's startling myself.

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

Eileen #2,

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-- Barack Obama

"Life's tough...it's even tougher if you're stupid."
-- John Wayne

Lol. Change for hope for change and hope for a new world. Maybe they should check out Mars.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Dan,

I have a few ideas for your column:
1) BAIPA - Should anyone care?
2) Truth vs. Hypocrisy? Which should the Church be most concerned about?


Posted by: Janet at October 13, 2008 3:59 PM


Maybe the gargae of Yilas's house should be looked into...just making a sweeping assumption here...

Posted by: PeachPit at October 13, 2008 12:49 PM

It is a fact, not a assumption, that those under/at 35 years of age, are the generation that has primed the pump for today's financial crisis.

The deadbeat gen.

But, the best of Peach Pit; I'm not very presidential so I don't really know what O would do. What a brain you are PP.

And soon those deadbeats might have to clean their foreclosed house and garage of the wants and wishes that they payed for by Peach Pits 401k or other financial instruments auctioned and secured to the deadbeat generation.

Then again, maybe Peach Pit is one of those that drove the S&L crisis of the 80's. Which is where those children of today learned the integrity of their parent(s).

But for a rank propagandist such as PP, the O is going to wash away the debt crisis by taking what little PP has left in some 401k,mutual fund, savings, etc, after he gets in office. What a tool you are PP.

Afterall, Rezko is a prime example of how one steals/misrepresents the loans from and to a GSE, or more directly, insured loans by the FHA.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 4:59 PM


is it that far fetched to think an American could perform such an attack? Evidence points that to certainly being a possibility, as well as the possibility of there being a terror cell in the area that got its hands on a nuke, or a variety of other possibilities. An American could do it just as well as a foreign or terrorist agent.

Posted by: Dan at October 13, 2008 11:48 AM

And which Americans would be the suspects in such a attack upon the USA? The right or left wing of the political spectrum stooge dude?

The president ought to demand arrests if there is evidence that someone has connections, was aware of the coming attack, etc. Reliable intel should be followed, recognized faulty intel, however, should not.

Posted by: Dan at October 13, 2008 11:50 AM

And of course it has to be a American in the world of the O, and you Dangerous Dan, the stooge dude.

Again, my point is for you to deny my post that accuses a American of such mass death of fellow Americans. You are such a easy mark for propaganda, and anti-Americanism, which is the first thought of the O. To avoid a nuclear weapon being being used on a terrorist nation at all cost. That cost includes using fellow Americans as the source of any terrorist action during his reign.

Posted by: yllas at October 13, 2008 5:14 PM


Janet, 3:56PM

Obama's children, and Hitler's children, and Lenin's children, and Stalin's children, and Mao's children and Jong's (N.Korea) children.
All children praising the "great leader" who will lead us down the primrose path.
A very unnerving video, not to mention the mentality behind it.

Posted by: Mary at October 13, 2008 6:15 PM


Janet,

On Rush Limbaugh's website there's a video of the "Obama Youth". I think you can see it on YouTube. Dressed militarily, they march on command in formation and recite their tributes to Obama, without whom apparently they would have aspired to nothing. This just keeps getting worse.

Posted by: Mary at October 13, 2008 6:25 PM


"I think it's startling myself."

Yes, it is pretty frightening--I think most people can agree with us here.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 13, 2008 6:44 PM


Janet,

My apologies. The video is on the Oct. 7 show and you may not be able to access it. You should be able to access the video on YouTube.
These boys do everything but goosestep.

Posted by: Mary at October 13, 2008 6:55 PM


why is questioning Obama's associations an attack?

Jasper, didn't say it was. The fact remains that Palin is a reactionary and has been used by the McCain campaign as an "attack dog" (nothing new about doing it) and it has not worked well at all.

Posted by: Doug at October 13, 2008 7:28 PM


Doug

Palin is a realist, not a reactionary.

If the press did it's job and stop covering for Obama, Palin wouldn't have to discuss his bad record and accociations.

Posted by: Jasper at October 13, 2008 7:38 PM


Jasper, there will always be people way out in the fringe (on both sides) that think that kind of stuff....

Posted by: Doug at October 13, 2008 10:19 PM


Jasper 7:38PM

Amen and thank you. That's exactly the issue. If the media would do their job Palin wouldn't have to do it for them.
We have a media that hasn't even made a pretense of objectivity. That's the real problem.
The reaction of the left is typical of when anyone goes after them or their candidate. Snivel, ring their hands, and whine about "attacks". I still remember Bill Clinton pouting about being picked on during the Lewinsky scandal. The lapdog media immediately fell into line.
Where was all this "concern" when Sarah Palin and even her children were so viciously attacked? Did she snivel and whine about it?
Obama's qualifications and past assocications are long long overdue in being questioned and challenged.
Obama would have never survived the scrutiny Palin did and is still being subjected to.
Obama and the left need to follow Palin's example and grow a pair.

Posted by: Mary at October 14, 2008 12:57 AM