Vote: get free Starbucks

UPDATE, 11/4, 4a: It turns out voters can eat and drink free all day this Election Day. Commenter Becky alerted us to other specials available to those taking part in the American electoral process:

Dairy Queen is giving away free ice cream! Chik-fil-A is giving away free sandwiches or milk shakes! Ben and Jerry's is giving away free ice cream! Eat 'n Park is giving away free coffees too! Krispy Kreme is giving away donuts! (Check with your local stores first to see if they are participating.)

After more research deal finder Becky added:

Hardees is giving $1 off combo meals with an "I Voted" sticker. Shane's Rib Stack is giving away a free meal - 3-piece chicken tenders, fries, and a 20 oz. drink - to all customers who wear an "I Voted" sticker.
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Comments:

The world won't be a better place if NObama gets in.

However, regardless of the outcome, God will still be in control on Wednesday.

Posted by: Joanne at November 3, 2008 7:14 PM


God is still on he throne. Obama needs to know God.

Posted by: xppc at November 3, 2008 7:16 PM


Dairy Queen is giving away free ice cream!

Chik-fila is giving away free sandwiches or milk shakes!

Ben and Jerry's is giving away free ice cream!

Eat n Park is giving away free coffees too!

Krispie Kream is giving away donuts!

(check with your local stores first to see if they are participating)

Posted by: becky at November 3, 2008 7:23 PM


Pray, pray, pray.


Mmmmmm becky, thanks for the info!! :)

Posted by: Carla at November 3, 2008 7:27 PM


We have a righteous wind at our back."

~ Barack Obama speaking to CO supporters over the weekend, as quoted by ABC News, November 2

It might just be the green house gas emissions from all the hot air the o'bama (pbuh) has been generating.

Heard some talk from the o'bama (pbuh) about caps and targets that would result in bankruptcy from any offender foolish enought to attempt to choose this way to generate power.

Posted by: kbhvac at November 3, 2008 7:41 PM


McCain for President of the USA

Posted by: Elsa Marina Cruz at November 3, 2008 8:01 PM


Continue to pray prolifers and you are right xppc God is still in control no matter what.

Posted by: Prolifer L at November 3, 2008 8:06 PM


I have a question, I did absentee voting, can I still get a can of green beans? Because I'm out.

Posted by: Jess at November 3, 2008 8:13 PM


Me too, Jess. I had to do absentee ballot as well. I guess it just goes to show you that voting is it's own reward, or something like that...

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at November 3, 2008 8:15 PM


Well, I think they can't ask you if you voted that day, you just have to say you voted absentee and youll get the free stuff. Ben and Jerry's is free for everyone because it interfered with some laws in CA or something, lol.

Posted by: Dan at November 3, 2008 8:35 PM



Obama is on video saying he wants to establish a "civilian security force". We can't depend on our military for national security, we need a "civilian security force" that is just as well funded, just as powerful, and just as strong.
Obama's SS troops? I find this very scary.
Don't we already have police forces and the national guard?

Posted by: Mary at November 3, 2008 8:54 PM


Perhaps all of those good Christians on this site could send up a prayer for Senator Obama's grandmother, who passed away today. And at least send your well wishes to him and his family in their time of private mourning. For those who are not religious, perhaps give your thoughts and sympathies.

Posted by: Erin at November 3, 2008 9:08 PM


I do not pray for those that have already died but I will pray for Obama and his family in their grief.

Posted by: Carla at November 3, 2008 9:15 PM


i just found these other savings for those that vote tomorrow:

Hardees is giving $1 off combo meals with an "I voted" sticker.


Shane's Rib Stack is giving away a free meal--3-piece chicken tenders, fries, and a 20 oz. drink--to all customers who wear an "I Voted" sticker.

Posted by: becky at November 3, 2008 9:21 PM


Mary @8:54, that is truly disturbing. I have also heard that he wants to reduce the military significantly. I am willing to bet that this idea of his came is inspired by Alinsky or Ayers.

Posted by: Eileen #2 at November 3, 2008 9:24 PM


Eileen #2:
but it couldn't be Ayers. Ayers is just some guy from the neighborhood. he is not going to advise Nobama!

"That one" has more connections to more low life than we can even comprehend right now. we are all in for a world of hate if he is elected!

Posted by: becky at November 3, 2008 9:31 PM


can everyone chill out. It's a chance in parties, not a revolution. Our nation remains strong.

Posted by: hal at November 3, 2008 9:32 PM


Hal, either you are very naive or you are willfully blind. The fact that so many people have refused to question his very controversial connections and his lack of substantial accomplishments inside and outside of government, and his freudian slips; shows us how complacent we have become.

Posted by: Eileen #2 at November 3, 2008 9:44 PM


Hal,

Maybe you can explain this "civilian security force". Is this made up of civilian volunteers? How will they be armed? To what extent will they be as powerful and as strong as our military? It makes me think of the 1968 movie "Shadow on the Land" which depicted the US under a dictatorship. The force keeping the people in line, and the dictator in power, was the "Internal Security Force". What an odd coincidence.
Also, Obama plans to bankrupt the coal industry. Sure coal plants can be built, but the fine slapped on them will be enormous. We can expect skyrocketing electric rates(Obama's words) as well as massive unemployment from efforts to destroy the coal industry.
Have you ever heard a presidential candidate threaten to bankrupt a major US industry, putting millions out of work?

Posted by: Mary at November 3, 2008 10:03 PM


Eileen #2,

It is disturbing. As I pointed out to Hal, what a coincidence. "Civilian Security Force" and "Internal Security Force". To think that movie was on TV 40 years ago and I thought it was just a good movie. This could certainly never happen in the US.

Posted by: Mary at November 3, 2008 10:07 PM


I'm not a coffee drinker (don't throw rocks!), but a Starbucks hot chocolate sure would be nice. :D Even if it's 65 degrees here tomorrow.

Eh, they're probably just giving away their cheapest coffee. I'll pass the info on to my husband, though. ;)

And gosh, all these freebies make me think I ought to run all over town looking for deals! But unfortunately, I have two urchins to teach. :D

Posted by: Kel at November 3, 2008 10:39 PM


Perhaps I should clarify...it is fortunate that I HAVE two urchins to teach, but unfortunate that I cannot run all over town partaking of election freebies!

Posted by: Kel at November 3, 2008 10:40 PM



I have been reading this site for months now... and after a long journey, praying, researching--and just knowing, I am voting for Obama. Hopefully the majority of Ohio will also...


Posted by: Debra at November 3, 2008 10:47 PM


Jesus said this: "I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it".

Obama is the most ungodly man to ever run for president. He is even more ungodly than Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton's sins were sins of the flesh. Obama's sins are sins of the spirit.... much, much more evil and dark. There is a spirit of darkness that come forth from this man like I've never seen in any individual.

May he recieve his just reward for attempting to decieve the church of God, the called out, the ekklesia. May he repent of his wickedness and cry out to the Lord for forgivenss at the realization of what he has tried to do.

Pro-lifers all, pray, pray, and pray. We believers can turn this around. God can sway people's hearts in the privacy of the voting booth.

In the name of Jesus the Christ, Amen.

Posted by: HisMan at November 3, 2008 10:49 PM


I just have to know:

http://education.uic.edu/directory/faculty_info.cfm?netid=bayers

Are all of the people on there associated with Bill Ayers terrorists? Am I a terrorist for going to the University of Illinois because Bill Ayers is a professor? I'm not asking in a mean way. I honestly want to know if you think EVERY person associated with Bill Ayers is a bad person, or just Obama?

Posted by: Josephine at November 3, 2008 11:01 PM


I don't buy from Starbucks, and I won't accept a freebie from them either.

Posted by: kb at November 3, 2008 11:06 PM


Hmm, I wonder if this would include a special drink like a mocha or something. Probably not, which makes me saaaaad.

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at November 3, 2008 11:27 PM


Josephine:

Obama launched his political career from the living room of Mr. Ayers and then lied and tried to minimize the association. Why does Obama think he has to lie about this? Because Ayers was a freaking '60's radical, that's why, he was a wack job criminal. I grew up during that period and people like him, Jane Fonda, etc., etc., etc. tried to destroy this country by destroying it's foundations through acts of subversity and terrorism. Well, the rich kids got off, the spoiled pukes that they are.

Did you lauch your carrer from Mr. Ayers living room as well? The analogy is ludicrous and your attempt at minimizing the connection Ayers to Obama is lame.

The real question is why can't you Libs see through the lies, the facade, the deception. Are you so discontented with life in the greatest country in the world such that you desire to destroy it? Do you understand how selfish and immature that is?

Are you so ungrateful for the freedoms that you now enjoy to risk giving them up?

What happens when you all wake up and discover who Obama truly is when it's too late and the only remedy is a revolution that you helped create?

And Debra:

Who exactly were you praying to? My God, the God of the Bible, doesn't contradict Himself and He is definitley pro-life. He does not tell me to choose life in His word and then tell me to go vote for a leader who is anything but pro-life. He does not command me to not murder and then have me vote for an individual who voted against protecting innocent children who survived an abortion attemot. God would not teach you in his word that all life is precious then answer your prayers for direction by telling you to go vote for Obama. God is not a God of confusion. I suggest you reconsider who you are voting for.

Posted by: HisMan at November 3, 2008 11:43 PM


Today, Sarah Palin was cleared of any wrongdoing in "Troopergate". PPC, Reality and Hal.

You will be held accountable for your slanders of her.

Posted by: HisMan at November 4, 2008 12:02 AM


Well, sir, I don't want to argue. I can see where you're coming from.

I do, however, believe in change. Do you believe that in the forty years since his radical days that he hasn't changed one bit? I think he has, otherwise he wouldn't be such a figure in the state of Illinois as well as the University. However, I don't know him on a personal level, so I could be totally wrong. I'm just trying to understand conservatives way of thinking.


P.S. I wish Starbucks was giving away strawberry fraps.

Posted by: Josephine at November 4, 2008 12:06 AM


Josephine said, "Do you believe that in the forty years since his radical days that he hasn't changed one bit? I think he has, otherwise he wouldn't be such a figure in the state of Illinois as well as the University.

He doesn't need to bomb anyone anymore. He destroys America from within, using his influence in the state of Illinois as well as the University. Education hasn't become any less radical; as Mr. Ayers's influence indicates, it has probably become much more radical in the last forty years. Mr. Ayers and the American system of perversion (wrongly called education) are on the side of evil in the culture war. Along with the mainstream media, they are the secular humanist's answer to the authority of the Church. Politically speaking, they generally train and recruit for the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Jon at November 4, 2008 1:42 AM


Debra,

I can only hope you open your eyes in time. This guy has vowed to destroy the coal industry, produce skyrocketing electrical costs(his words), and putting millions out of work.
He talks of establishing a "civilian security force". It sound to me like his own Brownshirts.
Please Debra, the communists always vowed they would get us without firing a shot.
Obama makes his intentions very clear and so many Americans remain in their messianic trance.
I never thought I would see it happen in my country.

Posted by: Mary at November 4, 2008 5:22 AM


Debra,
Jill has the most extensive blog on the voting record and experience of Obama's far left proabortion stance that I have ever seen. You must have read it all and deemed it unimportant. Babies killed and continued to be killed under and Obama presidency. An increase in the number of babies killed in an Obama presidency. Meh. Whatev. Isn't a priority for you, then?

I can handle those that come here NOT KNOWING what Obama is really all about and changing their minds.

What I find frightening are those that KNOW all of his sordid relationships, halftruths and omissions and are STILL voting for him.

Like sheep gone astray.

Praying all day long today for McCain and Palin. God hears and answers.

Posted by: Carla at November 4, 2008 5:59 AM


Carla and Mary, Amen....will be praying hard for this country today.

Posted by: Bethany at November 4, 2008 6:06 AM


2008 presidential candidate comparison talking points

Favors new drilling offshore US Yes No
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it Yes No

Served in the US Armed Forces Yes No
Amount of time served in the US Senate 22 YEARS 173 DAYS
Will institute a socialized national health care plan No Yes
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy No Yes
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately No Yes
Supports gun ownership rights Yes No
Supports homosexual marriage No Yes
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase No Yes
Voted against making English the official language No Yes
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals No Yes
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN 0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA 28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (no changes) Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts) Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!


Please consider all these points very carefully before voting.

2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

ISSUE JOHN McCAIN
BARAK OBAMA

Favors new drilling offshore US
Yes
No

Will appoint judges who interpret the law: NOT MAKE NEW LAW
Yes
No

Served in the US Armed Forces
Yes
No

Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS
143 DAYS

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
No
Yes

Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
No
Yes

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
No
Yes

Supports gun ownership rights
Yes
No

Supports homosexual marriage
No
Yes

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
No
Yes

Voted against making English the official language
No
Yes

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
No
Yes

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN


0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.



OBAMA


28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)



DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN


15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)


Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250



OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)


Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!



INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN


- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA


Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.



NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!





You can verify the above at the following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/

Posted by: Bethany at November 4, 2008 6:11 AM


Mary @8:54, that is truly disturbing. I have also heard that he wants to reduce the military significantly. I am willing to bet that this idea of his came is inspired by Alinsky or Ayers.

Posted by: Eileen #2 at November 3, 2008 9:24 PM

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Mary & Eileen - check this out:

http://www.thrufire.org/2008/10/something-scary.html

When something is completely audacious, it becomes "unbelieveable" to most people.

If we're to know them by their fruits, then the question needs to be - on what kind of tree are they on.

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at November 4, 2008 6:30 AM


Posted by: Carla at November 4, 2008 5:59 AM

The reason why Debra can make that decision is that she truly doesn't know abortion. She may know of it, but she doesn't really "know" it. She sees it as some sort of abstraction, even if she had one herself.

Eduardo understands what abortion is about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJpK4whgeK4&feature=related

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at November 4, 2008 6:41 AM


Bethany, I already found a falsehood within your post, so I pretty much stopped reading.

Neither candidate supports homosexual marriage, end of story. Obama supports civil unions, yes, but its far from marriage in terms of federal recognition.

and HM-

That second probe was performed by a committee that answers to Palin if I remember correctly. Who's going to rat out their boss and risk their job, or risk not being carried along if there's an opportunity to do so? I'd certainly say the committee has an ulterior motive to find her clear of wrong doing.

No charges were being pressed for her ethics violation regardless if I remember correctly, it simply goes down that she has been found guilty of ethics violations, unfortunately like many politicians in Alaska.

I hope the Dianne Wilkerson case here ends up going to trial, and I do hope she is held accountable. What she did was inexcusable as well. Ugh.

People say all politicians are corrupt, but some are definitely worse than others.

Posted by: Dan at November 4, 2008 9:08 AM


Today, Sarah Palin was cleared of any wrongdoing in "Troopergate". PPC, Reality and Hal.

You will be held accountable for your slanders of her.
Posted by: HisMan at November 4, 2008 12:02 AM

Please point out one thing I ever said about Governor Palin that is untrue? Held accountable? That sound serious.


Posted by: hal at November 4, 2008 9:28 AM


Dan,

Please read my pevious posts. They should make your skin crawl. Please my friend open your eyes. This guy is a sociopath. I've known enough of them that I can recognize one a mile away. The most manipulative, charming, and cunning people on this planet. And often the most dangerous.

Posted by: Mary at November 4, 2008 10:43 AM


Dan said, "Obama supports civil unions [for homosexuals]."

What's this you say, Dan? A union? Of course, it's a civil union: the civil government is recognizing it. But what kind of union is this? A mother-fetus union? A family re-union of brother and brother or sister and sister? A labour union of fellow employees, perhaps?

Or do you mean a sexual union? Isn't that--when recognized as permanent by the civil government--what most people call marriage? Sure, the civil government might currently recognize "civil unions" as a separate category of marriage, but marriage is what the government is recognizing. So, as but a step in the incremental homosexual agenda, homosexual and heterosexual marriage are distinguished.

"Homosexual marriage"--how dare we put vice and virtue side by side, as if the are the same thing! But marriage is a civil union, the only proper civil sexual union.

Posted by: Jon at November 4, 2008 10:55 AM


Mary - did you see that video with Larry Grathwohl on my site?

Do you also know about Osawatamie?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/03/carry-me-back-to-osawatomie/

Also Barbara Curtis at Mommy Life has a pretty thorough roundup of news.

http://mommylife.net/

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at November 4, 2008 10:56 AM


Jon-

Unions do NOT provide the same benefits as marriage at current time.

Posted by: Dan at November 4, 2008 10:58 AM


The governmental institution that is called "marriage" ought to be abolished.

The term "marriage" is a religious term and ought to be relegated BACK to the religious realm and out of secular affairs.

Couples (both straight or otherwise) comprised of consenting adults ought to be able to get a legal civil union/partnership in order to obtain the legal benefits (next of kin, be covered by partner's insurance, tax breaks, etc) and if they so choose- can go get "married" in addition in order to recognize their beliefs of the religious aspect that is "marriage".

Posted by: Rae at November 4, 2008 11:01 AM


Dan 10:58, that's not what I had heard, but if you're correct, then at the current time is a key phrase.

Anyway, you're still wrong. To speak of a homosexual civil union is to speak of a homosexual marriage. Ya, sure, heterosexual marriage might result in more benefits--but that's the next step, of course. Equality!

Posted by: Jon at November 4, 2008 11:08 AM


Rae 11:01, as far as I know, secular humanism is not yet officially the American state religion.

Posted by: Jon at November 4, 2008 11:12 AM


@Jon: I'm not discussing secular humanism, nor am I a secular humanist. And as far as I know, Jon, Christianity is NOT the official American State religion either, nor should it ever be.

Posted by: Rae at November 4, 2008 11:14 AM


"Homosexual marriage"--how dare we put vice and virtue side by side, as if the are the same thing! But marriage is a civil union, the only proper civil sexual union.
Posted by: Jon at November 4, 2008 10:55 AM

"Vice" and virtue. Since when is committed love a vice?

Posted by: Hal at November 4, 2008 11:25 AM



As I understand it, a civil union gives all the rights that "marriage" does, for hospital visitation, legal purposes, etc.

Marriage involves a religious witness, civil union doesn't.

Is this correct?

Posted by: Janet at November 4, 2008 11:55 AM


Hal, committed love between a husband and wife is not a vice so long as it remains subservient to both spouses' love to God. Lust, however, is always a vice. Homosexuality is an expression of lust.

Posted by: Jon at November 4, 2008 12:03 PM


Rae 11:01 expresses what seems to me to be the current version of secular humanism in the United States.

And I'm not so sure that Christianity has never been the official state religion in the United States. I could be wrong, but the founding fathers took Christianity for granted. Do not some American coins proclaim, "In God we trust?" And was not that God supposed to be the God of the Bible? Read some of the influential Americans of the past, e.g. the first president or one or both Websters, and you will quickly discover how highly they regarded the Christian religion--and its necessity for the good of the country. Certainly the heritage, not just of the United States, but of Western civilization, is to a large degree Christian.

Separation of church and state does not mean separation of religion and state. Obviously, it cannot mean separation of religion and state. Religion affects all of life, culture and government too.

Religious freedom does not mean today what it did several hundred years ago. Freedom of religion had to do with different competing strains of Christianity--not Christianity, Mohamedism, and secular humanism.

Posted by: Jon at November 4, 2008 12:17 PM


Jon at November 4, 2008 11:08 AM

And we always have to remember that some are more equal than others.

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at November 4, 2008 12:44 PM


I never thought I would see it happen in my country.

Posted by: Mary at November 4, 2008 5:22 AM

No, Mary, it's not just your country. It's mine and millions more, too. Tell me, did you fail kindy - you know where they teach sharing?

Posted by: phylosopher at November 4, 2008 3:24 PM


Couples (both straight or otherwise) comprised of consenting adults ought to be able to get a legal civil union/partnership in order to obtain the legal benefits (next of kin, be covered by partner's insurance, tax breaks, etc) and if they so choose- can go get "married" in addition in order to recognize their beliefs of the religious aspect that is "marriage".

Posted by: Rae at November 4, 2008 11:01 AM

Yeah Rae!!! Exactly!

Posted by: phylosopher at November 4, 2008 3:32 PM


Please read my pevious posts. They should make your skin crawl. Please my friend open your eyes. This guy is a sociopath. I've known enough of them that I can recognize one a mile away. The most manipulative, charming, and cunning people on this planet. And often the most dangerous.

Posted by: Mary at November 4, 2008 10:43 AM

Lies always make my skin crawl, Mary. Except, of course when the lies are sooo outrageous, it makes me laugh to think that the liar could be so .... to think that anyone would believe them.

Posted by: phylosopher at November 4, 2008 3:35 PM


For the umpteenth time Chris, many of the founding fathers were deists. Which was the logical position pre-Darwin. They were also children of the Enlightenment.

Posted by: phylosopher at November 4, 2008 3:38 PM


Janet-

No. You can have a Justice of the Peace marry you, priests just are also afforded the ability to marry couples under state laws.

Posted by: Dan at November 4, 2008 4:30 PM


"You can have a Justice of the Peace marry you"

Do you mean "witness", not "marry" Dan? As we understand it, the man and woman confirm the sacrament of marriage on each other and the priest only acts as an official witness of the church. Perhaps I"m being too technical here and it's a moot point... just wondering how you see it from a states POV.

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at November 4, 2008 4:35 PM


Dan:

Jon-
Unions do NOT provide the same benefits as marriage at current time.
Posted by: Dan at November 4, 2008 10:58 AM

Dan, Obama supports making them have the exact same benefits as marriage. Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8

Quoting Barack Hussein: "I would have supported, and would continue to support a civil union that provides all the benefits that are available for a legal sanctioned marriage".

In 2006 Obama opposed a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

Also, please read this article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/23/opinion/main4124256.shtml

That Obama supports same sex marriage is NOT a falsehood.

Posted by: Bethany at November 4, 2008 5:07 PM


Phylo 3:24PM

LOL. Whatever.

Phylo 3:35PM

Visit Youtube.com and search "obama security forces".

Also, visit rushlimbaugh.com, click on the 11/3 tab and you can read for yourself what Obama said concerning the coal industry.

Posted by: Mary at November 4, 2008 5:09 PM


Rae,

how about if 3 people want to get a civil union? would that be ok too? why not, right?

Posted by: Jasper at November 4, 2008 5:50 PM


Rae,

how about if 3 people want to get a civil union? would that be ok too? why not, right?
Posted by: Jasper at November 4, 2008 5:50 PM

yoi know what Jasper, I wouldn't feel that my marriage was threatened by that, or that society would crumble.

Posted by: hal at November 4, 2008 6:51 PM


@Jasper: Honestly- I wouldn't care so long as it was a consensual relationship and all the partners involved were fine with it and all the partners are treated with equally and lovingly.

Posted by: Rae at November 4, 2008 8:35 PM


How about three people and a dog?
How about three people, a dog, and a bicycle?

How about if one of the three people is a child?

Posted by: Jon at November 5, 2008 12:29 AM


Jon, what part of "consenting adults" do you not understand? I realize I didn't say it above, but I didn't think anybody would be STUPID enough to not understand that that's what I meant.

Bicycles cannot consent. Children cannot consent. Dogs cannot consent.

End of story.

Posted by: Rae at November 5, 2008 1:11 AM


Rae, people who are stupid enough to think that homosexuals can marry are stupid enough to think that children, dogs, and bicycles can marry.

Also, children and dogs can consent. Some mechanics might even speak of consenting bicycles.

Also, dogs exist as both adults (the females are called bitches) and children (puppies).

But from the beginning of history, marriage has been defined as the union of a man and a woman.

The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Gen. 2:18

Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman,'
for she was taken out of man."
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Gen. 2:22-24

Posted by: Jon at November 5, 2008 10:39 AM


Some mechanics might even speak of consenting bicycles.

Well now...

Posted by: Doug at November 5, 2008 7:00 PM