Dept. Homeland Security puts pro-lifers on terrorist watch list

Fox News reported yesterday a Dept. of Homeland Security satellite, the MO Information Analysis Center, considers "anti-abortion activists" as potential domestic terrorists according to a leaked report (click to enlarge):

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In a strange twist, Missourians United for Life has requested intervention from the ACLU....

I wonder if I'm on the list. If not, I'm hurt and am hereby showing my rightwing terrorist tendancies by posting my all-time favorite pro-life bumper sticker:

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To confirm my terrorist identify I'm also hereby notifying the Dept. of Homeland Security I'm a Christian.

[HT: moderator Carder]


Comments:

Me too! Put me on the list.

I am proud to be an anti-abortion, militant, extremist, right-wing Christian.

Abortion sucks and so does our government. There. Beat that one!

Where do I sign?

Posted by: Andrew at March 24, 2009 4:37 PM


So peaceful anti abortion activists are now TERRORISTS?

What the heck does the report mean by "mud people"? I've never heard that term.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at March 24, 2009 4:38 PM


a Dept. of Homeland Security satellite, the MO Information Analysis Center, considers "anti-abortion activists" as potential domestic terrorists according

That's smart of them.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 4:45 PM


But some say the fusion centers are going too far in whom they identify as potential threats to American security.

Uh...yeah, I'd say so.

Posted by: John Jansen at March 24, 2009 4:46 PM


Reality: "That's smart of them."

In what way does working against abortion make one a potential terrorist? Are all peace protestors potential Wheather Underground? Are all Muslims potential Taliban? By claiming this to be a "smart" move you are once again affirming that you have no cognitive abilities. I shouldnt say that I am shocked, because you have repeatedly shown yourself as brainwashed, but it is definitely still disturbing to find an American citizen who believes his/her opponents in a debate are wisely deemed potential threats.

Posted by: Oliver at March 24, 2009 4:55 PM


Straight out of the bible. Calling evil good and good is called evil.

The leftist wackos are calling raising a child in a Christian Home as a form of child abuse.

Posted by: xppc at March 24, 2009 4:56 PM


"Reality" is just a troll. I can't see him/her as being a real person with a personality.

Posted by: Bethany at March 24, 2009 4:56 PM


Jill:

This shouldn't surprise you.

HS Chief Janet Napalitano is a rabid pro-abort. The woman (and I really have a hard time calling her that) is probably more dangerous and cunning than Obama, Watch out for her.

I'm telling you believers, there is bad, bad stuff coming.

Reality:

And you were so worked up over our military tortuing terrorists with some water and Bush eavsdropping on terrorists' comunications but, you're willing to have the government classify anti-abortionists as terrorist? Wow that's consistent. Pip, do you really want to align yourself with the likes of Reality?

I guess then you won't object to having anti-abortion terrorists tortured by listening to Gloria Steinem speeches?

Man, what is the heck is in that head of yours?

Posted by: HisMan at March 24, 2009 5:01 PM


Reality,

According to attorney general Holder some of these Gitmo prisoners may be released in a neighborhood near you.

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2009 5:07 PM


HisMan,

And you were so worked up over our military tortuing terrorists with some water and Bush eavsdropping on terrorists' comunications but,

I was?

you're willing to have the government classify anti-abortionists as terrorist?

POTENTIAL terrorists, not terrorists. Reading comprehension: get some.

According to attorney general Holder some of these Gitmo prisoners may be released in a neighborhood near you.

Yeah, I read about that: 17 members of the Uighur ethnic group who have been cleared for release but who cannot return to China because they would face persecution there. So what? Would you rather we send them back to face ethnic and religious persecution at the hands of the Chinese? I thought you people supported religious freedom.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:20 PM


Okay.. lets think about this Eric Rudolph... who bombed Olympic Park in Atlanta - Anti-abortion. So was Tim Mc Veigh of the Murrah Federal Building bombing... Since you haven't gotten control of the extremists they have come to define you.

Posted by: Yo La Tengo at March 24, 2009 5:26 PM


Okay.. lets think about this Eric Rudolph... who bombed Olympic Park in Atlanta - Anti-abortion. So was Tim Mc Veigh of the Murrah Federal Building bombing... Since you haven't gotten control of the extremists they have come to define you.

Posted by: Yo La Tengo at March 24, 2009 5:29 PM


Off-topic, but...

I'm surprised no one here has yet mentioned the ruling yesterday requiring the FDA to allow 17-year-olds non-prescription access to Plan B and to reconsider allowing all minors to have Plan B without a prescription. I would have thought you guys would be upset that Plan B may soon be available on the shelf right next to the condoms and spermicide.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032301275.html

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:30 PM


Anti Abortion activists are generally peaceful (99.9999999999999999999%). They offer love and support (which many of these women are seeking. Especially those who are in the same situation that Carla was). They are not violent (don't place people such as Jill in the same group as Eric Rudolph, please. He is/was NOT a prolifer).

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at March 24, 2009 5:30 PM


YLT, are you serious?

I can just as easily wave pro-choice terrorists in your face. Bill Ayers? Pro-choice!

OMG pro-choicers are potential terrorists!/sarcasm.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 5:32 PM


YLT,

You're not serious, right? Eric Rudolph also bombed a gay bar, along with Olympic Park and an abortion clinic. It sounds like this guy didn't like a lot of things. Why don't you call him an anti olympics terrorist or an anti-gay terrorist?
Or just simply call him a terrorist nut job, which is exactly what he is.

Tim McVeigh was anti-abortion. You mean the Murrah Federal Bldg was really a giant abortion clinic?

You're really stretching it YLT.

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2009 5:32 PM


And the FDA is making it possible for rapists and sexual abusers to continue their deadly escapades by providing the so called "emergency contraception" out in the open so ANYONE can get it.
BAD IDEA.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at March 24, 2009 5:35 PM


YLT,

If you have such an issue with terrorists then what about Obama's association with the husband and wife terrorist bomber team of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn?

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2009 5:39 PM


There's also Paul Hill, who was frequently seen protesting outside the abortion clinic alongside other "pro-lifers" before he shot the doctor and his wife.

And James Kopp, who was aided and hidden by his fellow "pro-lifers" while on the run for shooting a doctor in his kitchen in front of his wife and kids.

And Cheryl Sullenger, convicted and imprisoned for bombing a clinic, who now works alongside Troy Newman in Wichita.

And Michael Griffin, who shouted "Don't kill any more babies" before murdering Dr. David Gunn.

And Shelley Shannon, active in the pro-life movement for five years before she attempted to murder Dr. Tiller.

Face it: the anti-abortion movement has produced a lot of domestic terrorists.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:42 PM


Liz,

And the FDA is making it possible for rapists and sexual abusers to continue their deadly escapades by providing the so called "emergency contraception" out in the open so ANYONE can get it.

Rapists and sexual abusers already have ready access to condoms, but I don't see the pro-lifers demanding that condoms be made prescription only.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:43 PM


Reality, the pro-life movement is far less violent than the pro-choice movement.

Shall I list some pro-choice violence off for you and use it to justify calling all pro-choicers potential terrorists?

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 5:45 PM


Here's a list of "pro-abortion" violence for kicks, Reality.

1,251 homicides and other killings
157 attempted homicides
28 arsons and firebombings
904 assaults
1,908 sex crimes (including 250 rapes)
106 kidnappings
420 cases of vandalism
290 drug crimes
1,616 medical crimes

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 5:48 PM


Lauren,

Go for it. Let's see how many people you can name who have shot people and bombed buildings in defense of abortion rights.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:50 PM


LOL Lauren,

No names? No source? Nice try, but no cigar.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:51 PM


Pro-abortoin Byron Looper shot pro-life state senator Tommy Burkes in the eye and said "I did it man, I did it! I killed that dude!"

I guess that means all pro-abortionists just might shoot me in the eye, right?

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 5:51 PM


LOL Reality!

I thought I'd just not site my source for kicks. You guys never site a damn thing, yet you did exactly what I expected- Whined about not having a source and discounted everything I said. It's amazing how only the pro-lifers have a burden to source ANYTHING.

What would asitis say? Use Google lol!

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 5:54 PM


Reality,

Several years ago Paul Hill was invited onto a news program as a "representative" of the PL movement. National Right to Life pleaded with the network not to put this man on the air. NRTL said he was deranged, dangerous, had threatened people's lives and giving this man any media attention was only feeding his sick fantasies, as well as endangering people.
Also, he was NOT a PL leader or spokesman, in fact, no one had ever heard of him.
NRTL would send a legitimate PL spokesperson.
Oh no, the news program wanted a nutjob like Hill to "prove" PL people were dangerous.
The rest is history.
Kind of ironic, don't you think, that it was PL people desperately trying to keep someone from being killed by a nutjob like Hill and the PC media actually putting people in danger?

Tell me Reality, what do you think of Obama associating with the terrorist bombers Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn?

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2009 5:54 PM


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Looper

A Republican who shot a Democrat in order to win a stater senate race? That doesn't sound like a "pro-abortion" murder to me.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:55 PM


Here's the source, btw. I just wanted to prove a point.

http://abortionviolence.com/0.HTM

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 5:55 PM


Reality, he was pro-abortion. You're dragging up the tangental beliefs of terrorists in order to prove your points, yet pretend that the vocal pro-abortion postions of your sides wackos are off limits.

Nice double standard.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 5:58 PM


Mary,

If Paul Hill was not part of your movement, what was he doing protesting outside clinics with you guys?

I know you don't like it, but Paul Hill (and everyone else on my list) most definitely identified as a pro-lifer, and that is why the Department of Homeland Security is correct in stating that people who identify as pro-life are potential terrorists.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 6:01 PM


Lauren,

You're dragging up the tangental beliefs of terrorists in order to prove your points

I think you have that backwards. The wikpedia article doesn't even mention the guy's position on abortion. The murder had nothing at all to do with abortion politics. The guy was a Republican who murdered his Democratic opponent because he wanted to win a Tennessee senate seat.

I listed several people who were/are active in the "pro-life" movement, and whose terrorist activities were motivated by their anti-abortion beliefs. Nothing tangental about that.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 6:06 PM


Reality, well about 5 abortionists brutally killed their wives. Since there is no question that they are "on your side" should we send out a warning that pro-choicers are potential wife beaters?

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 6:06 PM


Well if the Wiki doesn't mention that he was a radical pro-abortionist he must not have been one!


You never answered the questions about muslims or anti-war activists.

Are all muslims potential terrorists?

Are all anti-war activists potential terrorists?

Are all animal rights activists potential terrorists?

Are all environmentalists potential terrorists?

Are all pro-abortionsits potential wife abusers?

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 6:09 PM


Reality,

I can just as easily ask you if Obama was not associated with terrorist bombers, then what was he doing in the home of Bill Ayers?

Paul Hill could protest anything he wanted. He was not a PL leader or spokesperson, and no one had ever heard of him. He was picked because he was a nutcase and just the guy this program was looking for to "prove" a point.

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2009 6:12 PM


What about pro-abortion activist Elieen Orstein Janezic. She's one of yours who killed a couple of pro-lifers.


In 1993, pro-abortion activist Eileen Orstein Janezic murdered 51-year old pro-life activist minister and radio talk show host Jerry Simon. After killing Simon, she held police at bay with a pistol for six hours while spouting quotes from Anton LaVey's "Satanic Bible." On October 27, 1994, a jury found her guilty of murder and sentenced her to life in prison. During trial, she admitted that she had shot Simon to prove her love of Satan.

World Magazine, September 18, 1993; "Pro-Life Leader, Pastor Murdered by Avowed Satanist


Are you a potential terrorist now, Reality?

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 6:14 PM


Reality,

Paul Hill was deranged. He could call himself anything. Deranged people walk our streets and do despicable things for "reasons" only they know or understand.

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2009 6:15 PM


Jill,
I would like to purchase several of those bumper stickers. Could you please tell me where I can purchase them?

Cynthia*

Posted by: Cynthia* at March 24, 2009 8:30 PM


Only now you publish this? Where have you been for the past two weeks, while 2008 political candidate supporters were working to have the content expunged? As a result, Director Britt apologized publicly in writing to Paul, Barr, and Baldwin. But Jay Nixon didn't - he still maintains the document's correct and appropriate. That means the Governor maintains that you are terrorists still.

So this is how you get your 2-week old news? From Fox? The channel that disinvited Republican Presidential candidate Paul from participating in the Presidential debate on Fox? You appear dysfunctional, Stanek. Why don't you ask the real question? What are Napolitano and the other 69 Fusion Centers publishing right now about you?

Posted by: Robert at March 24, 2009 9:20 PM


Robert, there is a link to send Jill stories. If you see something that is important to the Pro-life movement, I'm sure she'd love for you to send her the tip.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2009 9:45 PM


LOL Lauren,

No names? No source? Nice try, but no cigar.

Posted by: reality at March 24, 2009 5:51 PM

Hey Reality, if you Google ;) the list you'll see it come straight off www.abortionviolence.com

Looks like someone went through crime reports and tallied up any crime that were committed by someone who happened to be pro-choice!

Posted by: asitis at March 24, 2009 10:47 PM


YLT,

You're not serious, right? Eric Rudolph also bombed a gay bar, along with Olympic Park and an abortion clinic. It sounds like this guy didn't like a lot of things. Why don't you call him an anti olympics terrorist or an anti-gay terrorist?
Or just simply call him a terrorist nut job, which is exactly what he is.

Tim McVeigh was anti-abortion. You mean the Murrah Federal Bldg was really a giant abortion clinic?

You're really stretching it YLT.

Posted by: Mary at March 24, 2009 5:32 PM


If you read this site you notice a tone of gay-baiting and bashing that is not uncharacteristic of Mr. Rudolph's disgust with gay men and lesbians, occasional links to the Ellen show aside. It's not hard to see how one bigotry goes hand in hand with the other - both homophobia and anti-choice ideas are held by a large percentage of fringe christians and not so fringe christians. Combine with an unhealthy dose of millitancy and\or mental illness and you've got a mad-man\mad-woman in the making.

Posted by: Yo La Tengo at March 24, 2009 11:16 PM


Face it: the anti-abortion movement has produced a lot of domestic terrorists.

Face it: the pro-abortion movement has produced millions upon millions of dead babies.

Ahh, good evening YLT. Everyone who disagrees with you is mentally disturbed. You never stop banging that drum, do you?

It's not hard to see how one bigotry goes hand in hand with the other

Glad to know you understand the concept of bigotry, even though you fail to admit your own.

Posted by: Fed Up at March 24, 2009 11:26 PM


Hey Reality, if you Google ;) the list you'll see it come straight off www.abortionviolence.com

It's not like Lauren was hiding it...she posted the link above (5:55)

Posted by: Bethany at March 24, 2009 11:36 PM


It's not hard to see how one bigotry goes hand in hand with the other

...says a bigot.

Posted by: Bethany at March 24, 2009 11:37 PM


Bethany, you've got some porn spam on the plane crash thread, FYI

Posted by: Fed Up at March 24, 2009 11:39 PM


Let's not worry, guys, if they label us as extreme. This is not about us. This is about children's rights. This is about valuing all people regardless of what they are. Guys- I am irritated too, but we have got to stop worrying about whatever the pro-choice propaganda says about us and say, "No, no more. This isn't about whether or not we have a positive image. I couldn't care less what the flipping Department of Homeland Security has to say about me- this is the same department that pegs innocent men as terrorists and throws them away and locks away the key on the basis that they are Muslim."

Come on, guys, this is annoying, but we work through it and we keep our eyes on what matters: freedom, justice, and not whatever the anti-freedom and anti-justice fear-mongers have to say about us. :).

Posted by: Vannah at March 24, 2009 11:42 PM


Thanks, Fed up... I'll take care of that now! :)

Posted by: Bethany at March 24, 2009 11:44 PM


YLT 11:16PM

Again, you're really stretching it. While I personally have no strong feelings for or against gay people, I have never seen anyone on this blog advocate the bombing of gay bars or for inflicting harm on gay people.
I also haven't heard anyone express disdain for The Olympics or federal buildings.

Speaking of a mad man/woman, what was Barack Obama doing in the living room of the husband and wife terrorist bomber team of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn?

Posted by: Mary at March 25, 2009 8:23 AM


Pro-lifers are "potential" domestic terrorists...

hmmm....makes one think...as FEd Up stated: "the pro-abortion movement has produced millions upon millions of dead (American) babies"

Now, I wonder who is the REAL domestic terrorist that should be on the Homeland Security watchlist?

Posted by: RSD at March 25, 2009 10:03 AM


I'm sorry- I just noticed the section that says, "Many consider Jews to be satanic." Wow, I don't even know how to answer that. It's one thing to try and hold all pro-life activists responsible for the violent acts of one, and it's also another thing to try and deflect attention from the true victims of abortion (which is wretched), but to make some mythical war between Christians and Jews is just...stupid.

Posted by: Vannah at March 25, 2009 10:37 AM


While I am pro-choice, I think this is terrible. Not every pro-lifer is a potential terrorist, and to brand you guys with that label is just disgusting.

"And the FDA is making it possible for rapists and sexual abusers to continue their deadly escapades by providing the so called "emergency contraception" out in the open so ANYONE can get it.
BAD IDEA."

Um, the hell? How does allowing people access to emergency contraception help rapists? Wouldn't it help the victim who doesn't want to get pregnant against her will?

Posted by: Chris at March 25, 2009 11:04 AM


Chris, it could help older men who rape young women cover their crimes. The young woman would otherwise have to go to the doctor who could intervene on her behalf.


Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2009 11:19 AM


This makes me mad. Did you guys know that there is at least one record where a proabortion person bombed an abortion clinic to get the pro-lifers in trouble?

Posted by: Elizabeth at April 16, 2009 11:16 AM


If the Dept of Homeland Security considers all pro-lifers to be a potential terrorist, then should pro lifers (since they consider abortion to be murder) consider all pro-choice advocates to be a potential murderer? I'm just a lowly webcomic artist, but even I can see the basics of bigotry in these stances. What if a government organization decided that anyone African American was a potential gang member? Some folks might not think this a serious point until they realize that at this time it would target the President of The United States!

I'm pro-life, I'm pro-Christ, and I'm conservative. I have killed no one. I do not plan to kill anyone. I may not agree with the current administration, but I respect the President for the office he holds.

Does that sound like a terrorist?

Posted by: RG at April 16, 2009 12:08 PM


All too often we seem to adhere to our inability to distinguish people as individuals. It is much easier to associate all people who hold a similiar belief. After 9-11 our country has been on a downhill slide in this regard. At what point does someone figure out that most anti-abortionists favor a certain color or perhaps a certain food. At that point shall we liken all these people in all regards. It doesn't matter if the person in question abhors violence. It seems much more simple to put people in associated groups and hold them responsible for the actions of others with similiar likes or dislikes.

I am left wondering how much damage we've done ourselves by neglecting spiritual growth in favor of independent wealth. Will we realize our mistakes before we cross the threshold into oblivion.

Posted by: Carlo at April 16, 2009 10:51 PM


The prolife movement is just that...pro life. We could no more kill an abortionist as assist in an abortion itself. Have you ever heard of consistency? I know it is hard to believe that there are any such people where the end justifies the means, however, by the logic of those thinking that certain individuals should be placed on the watch list I offer that as people in this country we should all be considered terrorists by that logic. And if we all are, the gestopo has its' work cut out for it :)

Posted by: carmelboy at April 19, 2009 8:16 PM


There are some crazy people posting here--a man was just murdered, supposed Christian groups all over the country are celebrating,

the incitement was just as bad as a crowd yelling KILL at a mentally disturbed guy beating someone. The crowd is just as guilty as the killer.

Everyone posting here should expect their IP address to be taken by the HS investigation under the FACE law.

Incite-on

Posted by: jeff at June 7, 2009 1:24 PM


"supposed Christian groups all over the country are celebrating"

What are some of the Christian groups that are celebrating, Jeff?

"The crowd is just as guilty as the killer."

What crowd?

"Everyone posting here should expect their IP address to be taken by the HS investigation under the FACE law."

You posted here. Does that include you?

Posted by: Bobby Bambino Author Profile Page at June 7, 2009 1:32 PM