It's been obvious for years that embryonic stem cell research is a waste of effort, as well as being unethical. Adult and umbilical cord stem cells have yielded all the benefits seen thus far.
But the Lefties still need this hoax to pretend that good can come from their killing.
In the same manner, they need the global warming hoax to further their agenda of economic destruction, dependency of people on the government, and their retention of power.

He is pushing it because it represents something more than the prospects of anything being gained in the near term. Proponents of embryonic stem cell research know they have nothing to offer compared to the tremendous strides currently being made with cells from morally licit sources. What they are looking at is 10 or 20 years down the road, perhaps for a kind of "fountain of youth" magic bullet, or even yielding insights into creating perfect designer babies.

Another big push behind this is big money. Big money to big universities and big research firms who in turn donate big money to the campaign coffers of their sources of funding.

What embryonic stem cell research involves is the deliberate destruction of a human being for the purposes of research. Haven't we already been down this road in the Gulags and concentration camps of the twentieth century? That, in and of itself, should be an automatic disqualifier. But in this age of moral relativism it is OK to do these things because we cannot think clearly enough to understand the depravity of our actions.

Nevertheless, those in charge of our vast federal resources are now placing themselves squarely behind this research. Of course our objections will fall upon deaf ears, but it may behoove those who are pushing this to consider the fact that with the development of any technology, there is the principle of unintended consequences. What will be the perverted results of embryonic research gone wrong? We may not have to wait too long to find out.

If it's really "yesterday's science," then what are you worried about? The funding will be available, and no one will apply for it.

Making the funding available doesn't force anyone to use it. Of course you know that, and you know that it isn't really yesterday's science, so you know that scientists WILL apply for that funding and WILL make more breakthroughs, exposing your foolishness for what it is.

No the $ will be wasted on research that will NEVER produce a cure. There are already breakthroughs with adult stem cells and umbilical cord blood cells that are actually helping people. I read about a little boy whose family took him to china for a treatment with umbilical cord blood cells for his Septo Optic Dysplasia (a disease that causes blindness). If the USA would wake up and realize that ESCR will never produce a cure, and concentrate on real results, then families like this little boy's won't have to go to CHINA for the treatment.

Making the funding available doesn't force anyone to use it.
Posted by: reality at March 2, 2009 7:43 PM

reality, there will always be people willing to take the money. Some people even kill for money.

ummmm, the whole 'pro-life' edifice is being looked at from a new perspective. Brace yourselves: http://web.mac.com/charlesgregory/ABORTICENTRISM/RESPONSIBLE_Right_to_Life.html

I know this off-topic, but this is an issue of great concern:

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I'm feeling a bit embarrassed that I took the bait- don't make the same mistake as I and waste even five minutes on the ramblings at the 5:57am link. cgregor - if you think this is a "new perspective", you've not been around this issue long enough.

As the coordinator of a pro-life agency that has been helping women and families for almost 25 years, I really have no time for veiled pro-abort criticism which accuses the pro-life movement of not caring for women beyond when their babies are born. I have clients whose children are now coming to us for help with their pregnancies (in other words- with some of our clients, we're into the second and third generation of offering countless hours of care and practical help.) I have never heard that baseless and insulting accusation come from the mouth of a single client we have served- and in this debate, that's the only voice that matters to me.

CGregor, an alleged pro-lifer, linked to a page with this:

FOR ALMOST ALL ‘PRO-LIFERS,’ THE CLOSER LIFE GETS TO BEING HUMAN, THE LESS SACRED IT BECOMES.

Charles, you need to go understand basic embryology. Each person's human life begins at amphimixis - the finalization of the fertilization process. The zygote is a living human already.

Statements like those above indicate you are unprepared and non-serious.

Hardly convincing.

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It appears that they may have gotten the message at the national level about the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) being very unwelcome in America. They know how to get around that, though. They are just going to introduce it in pieces instead and sneak it into appropriation bills. We all know by now that they pass legislation without even reading it or knowing what is in it. The pork laden “stimulus” bill already has billions of dollars going to agencies such as Planned Parenthood that will permanently enshrine abortion as a constitutional right in our country.

THE FOLLOWING IS VERY TIME SENSITITVE INFORMATION. PLEASE READ AND ACT ON IT NOW.

The death peddlers have now focused on the State level to introduce House Bill 2354 in our State Legislature, also known as the Reproductive Justice and Access Act (RJAA), which will accomplish, in the State of Illinois, the very same results that FOCA would do nationally! They are moving quickly to have it scheduled to be heard March 4 at 8:00 a.m. in the Human Services Committee. Now is the time to take action. See the information below as to exactly what you can do to help.

Please help educate the members of the Human Services Committee on the dangers of the Freedom Of Choice Act (FOCA) and urge them to vote "NO" on HB 2354. If Illinois should pass this bill, abortion would be enshrined as a right in Illinois. All the protections that have been fought for over the years would be gone, protections for women, parental notification, ban on partial birth abortion, conscience clause for doctors and health care providers, no tax payer funding. Let’s do what we can to kill the bill in committee. The FOCA bill is now in the Human Services Committee scheduled to be heard March 4 at 8:00 am. Please contact them today.

Members of the Human Services Committee are...

Chairperson: Naomi D. Jakobsson (D)
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206 N. Randolph
Suite 120
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Vice-Chairperson: Constance A. Howard (D)
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Petition Against FOCA in Illinois

Students for Life of Illinois has initiated a petition to lawmakers in Springfield to show them that Illinois does not support what HB 2354 (Reproductive Justice and Access Act) proposes. The petition will be presented to legislators in Springfield on March 4th when the students are there to rally.

"Planned Parenthood is leading a Lobby Day on March 10th in support of HB 2354. We must have a strong showing both in Springfield and for those who cannot make it to Springfield. That is why we initiated this petition. We want every pro-life voice to be heard," said John-Paul Deddens, director of Students for Life of Illinois. "We will get to Springfield first, but it is imperative that we arrive with as much support as possible." Click on this link to sign: http://sflillinois.org/illinois-foca-petition (This is not just a list of names that you pass on - they will have stacks of the web petitions to present.)

More...

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=4891311

cgregor,

Only in the abortion debate does the argument "all you care about it ____, but what about ____???" hold water because the abortion supporter is begging the question by already assuming the unborn is not "human" or a "person." No one takes seriously the argument "All you care about is people with AIDS- what about those people with cancer, diabetes, Parkinsons, and a host of other illnesses?" if it is put forth towards a doctor determined to find a cure for AIDS. Nor do you hear "All you care about is stopping violence against women; but when it comes to offering them better health care, better funding for education, and equal pay rights, where are you?!" to one who is concerned with violence against women.

This is part of what I was talking about yesterday with Oliver and how people don't know how to think. For some reason, this argument that "if you're against abortion then you need to be just as vocal and present in every other area of a child's development" is convincing to some pro-choicers. Yet it only takes a moments reflection to clearly see that the argument is not only question-begging, but the same line of thinking would NEVER be used in any other situation.

Why is he pushing it? Because it's hard to change your ideology, admit a mistake, and re-educate your rabid fans, that's why.

The funding will be available, and no one will apply for it.

Is that a joke?

The goal is to so expand abortion that when mom whose baby comes early can be left to die rather than expensive life saving treatment. The premature birth will be reclassified as an abortion. This will all be part of the mandate that all treatments be reviewed for "cost effectiveness."
My sister voted for BO. But BO's plan for health care would have killed her son. Premature, hole in his heart and down syndrome. Follow her liberal logic she should be okay with the government letting her son die. "If the government pays, then the government gets to decide." This was her response when I argued that her plan for the government to pay for all college would result in the government deciding what one gets to study. "We can have money wasted."
Well she will get her wish the next time her son has to have an expensive procedure.

For Michelle, Chris, et al., there's a difference between spending eight hours a day and every second of eighteen years dealing with human life. The eight-hour-a-day shift can very easily be construed as caring , not for;

When it's your responsibility, for every second of a human life, whether you're absent or present, for eighteen years, you have to be caring for it, as the website shows. Working with women subject to abuse isn't as hard as working with the next newborn Ted Bundy to prevent from 31 to 65 victims. As cases of feral children indicate, no life will be human until someone cares for it, not simply about it. As for the validity of the argument of the site, you have only to look inside yourself to find out why you are not fully engaged in caring for human life.

Try this level of commitment: 600 hours a year and 6% of your gross income spent directly one-on-one with a child whose neighborhood you don't want to live in, who's not of your church, and whose parents can't or won't care for it. It can be done. Or the same amount of time doing these: a public school classroom volunteer, a family court guardian ad litem, a staffer for the local mental health parenting programs. If you can do it, fine. If you can't only you know the reason why-- and if you think it's different from the root causes of aborticentrism, make sure it's not denial.

Posted by: cgregor at March 13, 2009 5:33 AM
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Given the number of times you refer to human beings as "it" in your post, I imagine any compassion you think you have is coming from your head and not your heart.

I pray God softens your heart, but I shudder to think how He might do it.

I'm quite comfortable with what I've done over the decades for needy kids and their families as a volunteer. Thank you for looking into my heart. Now take some time to look into yours. Let us know how much you've done to steer the next Ted Bundys in the right direction. If you're comfortable with just "rescuing" the "unborn humans," that's okay with me, too.