Napolitano has got A LOT of nerve, but I have heard about this. That's just plain nutty!

We are being stripped away of our rights little by little. The Obama administration is dumbing America down, and it's working!! I went to the TEA PARTY here, and the leftist loonies were there snapping our pictures. {BIG DEAL} Why the pictures? We just happen to disagree with their views.

Seems like the libs are getting a wee bit paranoid.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/04/safe-legal-early----a-new-way.html

very interesting article on abortion. From Belief.net

Hal, Your article just supported my point about dumbing people down.

"safe, legal and early" is the new liberal spin from "safe, legal and rare."

Does killing the baby "early" make it less appalling? Not in my opinion.

AHAHAHA BROWNBACK JUST VOTED YES ON SEBELIUS FOR HHS!

SEBELIUS CONFIRMED 65 TO 31!!

*does the confirmation dance*
she will be missed.

Joanne,
The earlier the better?? In their minds..YES!!

Reality,
You could go with NEENER, NEENER, NEENER as well....

Joanne,
The earlier the better?? In their minds..YES!!
Posted by: Carla at April 28, 2009 5:27 PM

The pro death crowd does everything they can to justify the killing of the innocents.

So I wonder which Republicans sided with Sebelius? I'm guessing Snowe and Collins, not to mention Brownback and Roberts. We expect Snowe and Collins to side with the pro aborts but shame on Brownback and Roberts.

Kansas is the Auschwitz of the Abortion industry. And now their Hitler is going to decide about OUR health. This is NOT good!

Kansas is the Auschwitz of the Abortion industry. And now their Hitler is going to decide about OUR health. This is NOT good!
Posted by: LizFromNebraska at April 28, 2009 5:35 PM

Yes and I wonder how well Brownback and Roberts will sleep tonight.

Brownback is running for Gov. of Kansas in 2010, and he REALLY didn't want Sebelius running for (and winning) his senate seat for the Democrats. OF COURSE HE VOTED YES.

And I'm sure Brownback will sleep great tonight, knowing his senate seat is now much more likely to stay in Republican hands.

Voting to confirm Sebelius is not the same as voting for abortion. On the whole, even those who oppose abortion might find that Gov. Sebelius would make a fine HHS Secretary.

Some pro lifers might take a broader view of her qualifications.

Brownback is running for Gov. of Kansas in 2010, and he REALLY didn't want Sebelius running for (and winning) his senate seat for the Democrats. OF COURSE HE VOTED YES.
Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 5:39 PM

That is the most ridiculous logic I ever heard. He doesnt want a raving pro abort winning his senate seat (something that is far from certain anyway) so he votes for her for HHS where she can do FAR more destruction.

I hope a real conservative beats Brownback for governor.

And here are the votes.

Republicans who voted yes: Bond (MO), Brownback (KS), Collins (ME), Gregg (NH), Lugar (IN), Roberts (KS), Snowe (ME) and Voinovich (OH).

Specter voted yes too, but as of today he's not a Republican anymore.

He doesnt want a raving pro abort winning his senate seat (something that is far from certain anyway) so he votes for her for HHS where she can do FAR more destruction.

A pro-choicer was going to get HHS anyway. Obama was NOT going to nominate an anti-choicer.

Also, if Sebelius were really a "raving pro-abort," she wouldn't have been elected in Kansas twice. She's a Catholic, personally pro-life moderate. It's a shame the national anti-choice groups made such a dishonest caricature of her in the national media.

Obama was NOT going to nominate an anti-choicer.
Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 5:53

On that point we definitely can agree. He only believes in "choice" if that means allowing babies to be killed right up until birth. He does support FOCA after all.

He has picked nothing but extreme far left liberals for all his cabinet jobs. At least he is consistent.

He has picked nothing but extreme far left liberals for all his cabinet jobs. At least he is consistent.

He won the election, and it is his right to appoint a cabinet that will carry out his agenda.

"He only believes in "choice" if that means allowing babies to be killed right up until birth. He does support FOCA after all."

Just one more time, for the record, the FOCA only applies pre-viability. You can oppose it if you want, but it's not related to "killing right up until birth." That's a separate issue.

He won the election, and it is his right to appoint a cabinet that will carry out his agenda.
Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 6:08 PM

And what an agenda it is!

Record deficit spending, bankrupting the treasury, socialized health care, absolutely no restrictions on abortion whatsoever, the "fairness doctrine", compulsary "community service", shaking hands and befriending dictators.

And that is just in three months.

SEBELIUS CONFIRMED 65 TO 31!!

Posted by: reality

This changes nothing Deluded Reality and Hal. "But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Ti 3:13-15

All this means is that the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ needs to wake up and be His Church. It means there is probably going to be some severe judgments coming our way that will help shake the Church from her lethargy and cause the lost to fear God and seek repentence.

Do you actually think that God is going to sit idly by and allow this slaughter of genocidal proportions to continue?

NO WAY!

All I've got to say is shame on me and the rest of the church in America for allowing this to happen on our watch. May Almighty God grant us repentence and give us supernatural boldness to confront the church's apathy and help us drive this evil scouge from our land.

Don't be deceived, reality. The only thing your "victory" has accomplished is a hastening of God's Judgment on our nation. It's obvious we need it.

Do you actually think that God is going to sit idly by and allow this slaughter of genocidal proportions to continue?
NO WAY!
Posted by: Ed at April 28, 2009 6:27 PM

we shall see, we shall see.

President Obama seems to be quite popular and successful. I'm very happy with him so far.

LOL! God, right-wing complaints are SO funny!

Record deficit spending,

Only a little bit bigger than Bush's.

bankrupting the treasury,

Bush already took care of that with his eight years of massive tax cuts for rich people.

socialized health care,

Hasn't happened yet, but I sure hope it does! It would save money and lives.

absolutely no restrictions on abortion whatsoever,

Abortion has been legal since 1973, for goodness sake.

the "fairness doctrine",

The what? Not even on the agenda.

compulsary "community service",

Only in fevered conservative imaginations.

shaking hands and befriending dictators.

Just like Bush, Reagan and every other president who came before him.

LOL so much wingnut failure.

reality, Laugh now, but the United States is headed for total destruction. We are rotting from the inside out. There is nothing to celebrate.

Do you actually think that God is going to sit idly by and allow this slaughter of genocidal proportions to continue?

He has so far, since 1973. If God really gave a damn about legal abortion, you would think he would have done something about it by now.

God will not be mocked.

He is. We have free will in this country and we have ABUSED it.

reality, Do you see anything around you getting any better?...It isn't going to get better. It's going to get worse, so get ready.

Hey guys, this is off topic, but could you please pray for my mom. She had a really bad seizure at work today. She was completely out for 8 minutes and was turning blue. She came around on her own, and the CT didn't show anything, but obviously we're still worried.

She's never had a seizure before, this was totally out of the blue.

"If God really gave a damn about legal abortion, you would think he would have done something about it by now. "

You have just put a tremendous burden of proof on yourself. In order to justify your above if/then statement, you need to somehow exhaustively show that God would have ABSOLUTELY NO reason for allowing abortion for this long. So what you need to show is that an all knowing, all powerful being can not possibly have any reason or forsee any greater good coming out of allowing legal abortion for as long as he has.

reality, Think of it like this. Life is but a vapor. I suggest you get right with God before it's too late. We are all going to be dead a whole lot longer than we're alive.

Laugh now, but the United States is headed for total destruction. We are rotting from the inside out. There is nothing to celebrate.

There is EVERYTHING to celebrate! Right-wing extremists are out of power and more isolated than ever! Only 20% of Americans are willing to identify as Republican. Gays can marry in four states, and counting! Universal health care is more likely than ever! The US is on the right track for the first time in YEARS! Hallelujah!! Free at last, thank God we are free at last!!

Lauren, Prayers coming your way from me.

reality, Do you see anything around you getting any better?

YES! I DO! *happy dance*

reality, Like I said. Nothing to celebrate.

reality, Do you see anything around you getting any better?

YES! I DO! *happy dance*

Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 6:44 PM--------------- Really? What state do you live in?

reality, Laugh now, but the United States is headed for total destruction. We are rotting from the inside out. There is nothing to celebrate.
Posted by: heather at April 28, 2009 6:34 PM

Agree with you Heather. The whole world is heading for distruction.

What used to be good is evil, and what used to be evil is good. The Bible predicted this.

Lauren..... I will say a prayer for your Mom now and keep us posted.

reality, God did not create abortion. Man did that. God gave man free will. Hitler took his free will and abused it too! Wonder where his soul is now?? Tormented forever and ever in the lake of fire. reality, Forever MEANS Forever!!

"There is EVERYTHING to celebrate! Right-wing extremists are out of power and more isolated than ever! Only 20% of Americans are willing to identify as Republican. Gays can marry in four states, and counting! Universal health care is more likely than ever! The US is on the right track for the first time in YEARS! Hallelujah!! Free at last, thank God we are free at last!!"

Reality, answer me this is well. In 5 billion years or so from now, the sun will burn out and the human race will become extinct. The universe will then be just as dead and lifeless as it was before mankind ever came to be. Every single little thing anyone has ever done will not matter in the least. None of the abortion rights that you have worked so hard to maintain and fight for will matter in the least once humanity is extinct. So why does any of this matter? Why does any of the stuff you mentioned above matter? Maybe matters for 20, 30, 40, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000 years, but ultimately, it's completely meaningless. What's the point?

For Hal and Reality and anyone else here who does not believe in God.

Galatians 6:7

Don't be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

I believe this verse applies to nations and not just individuals.

Joanne, I agree. It is written!! It is here!!

"If God really gave a damn about legal abortion, you would think he would have done something about it by now. "

Reality don't loose faith - good always wins over evil: slavery and Nazism come to mind. Abortion will be seen as inhumane by all some day.

Thanks for the prayers, guys.

We will all pay the price! I live by the GM plant. A lot of the workers believed that Obama would save them. They are closing the Lordstown plant for 2 months. So much for their faith in man!!! And you cannot blame it on Bush anymore. You can only stand on that for so long!!!

Heather:

He who is the faithful witness to all these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon!" Amen! Come, Lord Jesus! Rev 22:20

reality, Did God also create the Holocaust? Do you believe that Hitler had to answer on judgement day?

So what you need to show is that an all knowing, all powerful being can not possibly have any reason or forsee any greater good coming out of allowing legal abortion for as long as he has.

So you admit that legal abortion could, in fact, be for the greater good? Nice!

The only thing your "victory" has accomplished is a hastening of God's Judgment on our nation. It's obvious we need it.

We have free will in this country and we have ABUSED it.

And conservatives accuse liberals of hating our country!

Joanne, Thank you for the reminder!

Agree with you Heather. The whole world is heading for distruction.

Golly, you Christians sure are depressing. So glad I'm not a Christian.

Liberals must hate this country. Who would agree to a woman killing her child?....A LIB!! Liberalism is a mental disorder!!!!!!

reality, We just live in reality.

"If God really gave a damn about legal abortion, you would think he would have done something about it by now. "

You know reality, you make an excellent point. I honestly believe He expected His Church to do something about it by now. And because we have been weak in our opposition, nothing has changed. But I guarantee you something is about to change. Either the Church of Jesus Christ is going to wake up and say, "Enough is enough! Enough Killing! Enough Murder! Enough! The Killing Stops Now!" Or I see God intervening in a mighty way.

And don't forget to take your vitamin C reality, I hear there is a bug going around.

Save the whales, adopt a tree, save the planet, save the ozone, and kill the children!!! If that isn't a mental disorder, I don't know what one is!!!

And conservatives accuse liberals of hating our country!
Posted by: Ray at April 28, 2009 6:59 PM

We definitely don't hate this country. But we believe what the Bible says is true.

If you read and believed Revelation you would understand what we are talking about.

Heather...... I needed that reminder today too!

Praying for your mom, Lauren. I am sorry.

Galatians 6:7

Don't be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.

And here's one for you:

"There's no country I'd rather live in than the United States. I truly believe it is the greatest country in the world."

Cesar Millan: Cesar's Way, pg. 38

Joanne, I know. Yanno, there is going to be a show airing on TV about teens who are dumping their babies into trash cans. With 37 years of legalized abortion on the table, shouldn't this problem be non-existant?? Could a Pro Choicer please explain to me why a teen would still do this? I thought abortion was in place to eliminate these problems!!!!!

Here is what I think. Legalized abortion sent us this message: Life is cheap. If you don't want it, kill it. Toss it in the trash. No consequences. No jail time.

"There's no country I'd rather live in than the United States. I truly believe it is the greatest country in the world."

Cesar Millan: Cesar's Way, pg. 38
Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 7:09 PM

It has been the greatest country in the world. The moral decline is not confined to the US but the US is the world leader and was always considered a Christian nation. I think your great leader has said it's no longer just a Christian nation but one of many religions.

And reality... I've asked his of Hal before but never gotten an answer so maybe you will answer me.

Why do you spend so much time on a blog that is clearly pro life and Christian when you are neither?

If Cecile Richards or another pro abort had a blog you would not find me there!

It's not like you are going to change any of the pro life people to pro abort.

So why do you bother?

With 37 years of legalized abortion on the table, shouldn't this problem be non-existant?? Could a Pro Choicer please explain to me why a teen would still do this?

Well, a lot of them have abstinence-only education that doesn't teach them about birth control and abortion. And a lot of them live in states where they would need parental permission to have an abortion. There's also the cost barrier.

Giving birth in your bedroom and dumping the baby in the trash is free, private and you don't need permission. Maybe that has something to do with it.

Does anyone remember the Amy Grossberg case? She's a free woman after tossing her newborn into a dumpster!!

Joanne, I know. Yanno, there is going to be a show airing on TV about teens who are dumping their babies into trash cans. With 37 years of legalized abortion on the table, shouldn't this problem be non-existant?? Could a Pro Choicer please explain to me why a teen would still do this? I thought abortion was in place to eliminate these problems!!!!!
Posted by: heather at April 28, 2009 7:11 PM

I know some places have safe haven laws in place where moms can turn in babies to police stations or hospitals without getting into trouble with the law.

And why is it that if a woman delivers her baby and then kills it we call it murder (rightfully so!!) but if she aborts it right before delivery it is "choice"?

And Sebelius pal Dr Tiller has stated he has aborted babies right up to just before the due date.

Why do you spend so much time on a blog that is clearly pro life and Christian when you are neither?

So much time? I've only been here a little while. I don't even comment here every day... maybe once a week.

But to answer your question: it's fun!

Actually reality, the opposite is actually true. Child abuse is up 1000% since abortion. Crime and poverty didn't go away either. More women are substance abusers thanks to abortion. This comes from the self loathing and self esteem issues when not dealt with.

"So what you need to show is that an all knowing, all powerful being can not possibly have any reason or forsee any greater good coming out of allowing legal abortion for as long as he has. So you admit that legal abortion could, in fact, be for the greater good? Nice! "

Thanks for blowing off my question. Greatly appreciated.

Thanks for answering Reality. I feel very sorry for you. Honestly I do.
God is not mocked. I know you don't believe this but one day you will.

I guess it just doesn't matter to you reality. What next? Will Casey Anthony get probation for killing Caylee??

Joanne, I was also reading about people being turned over to a reprobate mind. Here it is.

Matthew 7:13
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." The words of Jesus.

Lauren, prayers being said here. Just so you know, sometimes seizures happen once and are never explained, so don't be too worried if they don't find anything. Happens more often in kids (febrile seizures are scary but essentially harmless).

Please keep us updated.

I feel very sorry for you. Honestly I do.

The feeling is mutual, bb.

Hasn't anyone noticed the increase in natural disasters?? Like once a week!! Fires, earthquakes, tornados, how about te swine flu? 2 cases reported in my state and counting.

Child abuse is up 1000% since abortion.

Back in the '60s, child abuse was more tolerated than it is now. People were much more likely to look the other way than report it. Times have changed, and that's a good thing.

Crime and poverty didn't go away either.

They are greatly reduced, however.

More women are substance abusers thanks to abortion.

LOL I don't think so.

Unemployment in the double digits and this clown is all over the TV. Talk show after talk show. Shut up, and run the country already!!

reality, Do you have anything to back up your claim?

2 cases reported in my state and counting.
Posted by: heather at April 28, 2009 7:31 PM

We have one reported case in my city and the woman wasnt even in Mexico City. She was visiting Cancun.

Crime and poverty reduced? haha. NO WAY!!

reality, I really don't mean to be mean. I'm just trying to give you the truth. Trust me. I used to be a lot like you. I was PC. I was pro gay marriage, and then I picked up the Bible one day. I'll pray for the Lord to heal you b/c you need it!

Reality 7:33PM

Abortion was supposed to eliminate or at very least, greatly reduce child abuse. Your excuse contradicts itself. If abortion solves the problem of child abuse, then why is there any abuse at all to report?

reality, here's a thought. You may not believe in God, but what if you're wrong?? You don't want to face a real ugly reality one day.

Hi Mary!!!

Hasn't anyone noticed the increase in natural disasters?

Nope, haven't noticed any increase. These things happen all the time.

Hi Heather,

Did you see the clip where Barack's teleprompter got ahead of him? He had to stop dead in his speech. Apparently he has some trouble improvising. What a hoot.

More women are substance abusers thanks to abortion.

LOL I don't think so.

Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 7:33 PM-------------- This is VERY true! I have seen it!!

You may not believe in God, but what if you're wrong??

What if we're all wrong, and Hinduism is really the one true path?

Mary, LOL!! Fox has decided against broadcasting his speech tonight. Don't know what he'll drone on about tonight. They've decided to stick with the original plan to air American Idol. I wonder if anyone has told Barack that he was, in fact, the winner!!

You gonna stop eating beef??

reality, If I am wrong, then what on earth have I lost when I die?

Heather,

What time was he supposed to be on?

I might.

Mary, I'm not sure. Heck, doesn't the guy give like a speech a night?? LOL! I am on E.T., so about 8 PM E.T.

reality, If I am wrong, then what on earth have I lost when I die?

All those wasted Sundays you could have slept in.

I have cable on in the other room.......

I like church, so it isn't a waste to me. If darkness and nothingness comes in the end, I'll have plenty of time to snooze.

Seriously, though, Heather, I can't help that I'm not Christian. I was born this way. My parents did their best to indoctrinate me with Sunday school, but I never believed a word of it. I've never thought that the Bible is the word of any god. I can't force myself to believe in Christianity any more than you could force yourself to believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

What WILL Obama drone on about tonight? Michelle? The new family dog? The new jobs? Another book in the making? What on earth could it be?

Did you get that from Adrianne Curry? LOL!!

The president's press conference is tomorrow, you guys.

reality, I understand. I do. I really believe that someone/other prayed me into it. {this new way of life}

Oh, sorry. I thought Idol was on tonight.

Then you can see that it makes no sense to ask someone "what if you're wrong." Aside from the fact that there are dozens of religions in the world, a person can not help what they believe. If there was a God, I doubt it would reward people who just pretend to believe because they're scared of being wrong. You either have faith or you don't.

Oh, sorry. I thought Idol was on tonight.

I'm just glad Dumb and Dumber was canceled in January.

I know what you are saying reality. If you don't want God, I will respect that. What more can I do? I remember a time when I did not. It lasted a looooong time. My way was best. That's what I thought. It took time and willingness. I don't have the magic answer here. I don't think there is one. I also believe that some people are not able to forgive themselves for something they have done, and they don't feel worthy of God's love. I was once one of them.

I am NOT an Idol watcher. I cannot stand the show!! That's why I wasn't sure about it.

reality, If there is something bothering you, why don't you just fess it? We are all sinners and nobody would judge you. Nobody knows who you are. I'm sure you'll probably tell me that all is well, but I believe you are searching for something.

Truth is: A relationship with God is the best!!

Brownback isn't the only Benedict Arnold. My Democratic "pro life" Senator BEN NELSON voted YEA! I knew he wasn't pro life, when he decided to Endorse Obama instead of being NEUTRAL.

I wonder how many Terri Schindler's out there that are going to be Euthanized because Sebulius won't ration health care $ for their care.

what a terrible tragedy that Sebelius was confirmed today.
My God, what will be the consequences of this decision today?

angel, the consequences could include affordable universal health care for all. Horrors!!!!

Whenever the far right extremists are overwrought and talking about the world ending, it is a good sign things are improving for the rest of us.

angel, the consequences could include affordable universal health care for all. Horrors!!!!
Posted by: Bystander at April 28, 2009 9:13 PM

funny I don't see how the aborted babies will have the use of universal health care?
Oh i get it. The taxpayers will pay for these babies murders!

angel, we are paying for the abortions. Ohio is picking up the tab. Bystander, don't you double as Somg?...I thought so.

Call the Ohio abortion clinics. First ??? "Do you have Medicaid?"....An abortion with sedation is about 600 bucks in Ohio. Multiply that by 15 women in a day. It's gonna get ugly!

And why did we call? To get their hours so we could be there on killing days.

heather Somg, as I recall, was a doctor who was banned a year ago. I don't even play a Dr. on tv.

.....and then we will break the bank paying for hands to shed innocent blood. reap, sow, reap, sow..country goes to pot...do you see the pattern? reap, sow....

I've seen you on other sites and I was pretty sure you 2 were one in the same, but oooookay.

How about this: Pro choicers say "Keep your laws off my body"......I say: "Then keep my tax dollars off of your body."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/28/baracks-in-the-basement/

For Hal.

BTW, not surprised at the Republicans who voted for Sebelius, and not surprised that she was confirmed. It was bound to happen. If not her, then another pro-abort. That's the way things work in politics.

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Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 7:59 PM

"I can't help that I'm not Christian.

I was born this way."

--------------------------------------------------------

Reality,

You got two things in a row correct.

I knew if you just kept swingin' away odds were you would get something right.

The other side of the coin is no matter how much you might want to be a 'christian', it is not a unilateral decision on your part. You can not say 'I do', before HE pops the question.

And you are correct, none of us was born a 'christian'.

You don't choose HIM, HE chooses you.

If I was doing the choosin, I would have been the last one chosen.

yor bro ken

Janet Napolitano says, 'Don't call it swine flue.'

Pigs have feelings too.

yor bro ken

Posted by: reality at April 28, 2009 8:06 PM

"If there was a God, I doubt it would reward people who just pretend to believe because they're scared of being wrong."

"You either have faith or you don't."

---------------------------------------------------

Reality,

You are on a roll. Congratualtions.

God is a rewarder of those who simply believe HE is.

You got it. Having faith is like being pregnant.

Either you are or you aren't./Either you do or you don't.

It is not of ourselves. It is the free gift of God that he gives to whomever HE chooses.

yor bro ken

Late Second Trimester (3-day Procedure)

Late term abortion is a THREE DAY PROCEDURE.

It involves killing the baby first then inducing labor so the woman can "deliver" her dead child.

And this is supposed to be done only for the "health" of the mother???

If a woman truly is in a situation where continuing the pregnancy could kill her is it not better to do a cesearian section thus saving her and the baby? How is killing her baby and taking THREE DAYS to do it supposed to save her?

I can't wait for the pro aborts to try and justify that.

Hey guys, this is off topic, but could you please pray for my mom. She had a really bad seizure at work today. She was completely out for 8 minutes and was turning blue. She came around on her own, and the CT didn't show anything, but obviously we're still worried.

She's never had a seizure before, this was totally out of the blue.

Posted by: Lauren at April 28, 2009 6:41 PM

Lauren..... I will say a prayer for your Mom now and keep us posted.

Posted by: Joanne at April 28, 2009 6:46 PM

Praying for your mom, Lauren. I am sorry.

Posted by: Carla at April 28, 2009 7:08 PM

Lauren, prayers being said here. Just so you know, sometimes seizures happen once and are never explained, so don't be too worried if they don't find anything. Happens more often in kids (febrile seizures are scary but essentially harmless).

Please keep us updated.

Posted by: Elisabeth at April 28, 2009 7:29 PM

Congratulations to the above post.

Although I have disagreements with Lauren, I will think about you and your mother, by thinking about God's affection for you. A prayer.

Care to add your name to the "congratulations post", Bystander and Reality? It's the human thang to do.

My positive thoughts are being sent your mother's way Lauren, as medical emergencies as such aren't anything anyone's family deserve to go through. My brother (A physician himself) recently had a seizure and in the end it turned out okay, but scary for sure.

Late Second Trimester (3-day Procedure)

If a woman truly is in a situation where continuing the pregnancy could kill her is it not better to do a cesearian section thus saving her and the baby? How is killing her baby and taking THREE DAYS to do it supposed to save her?

I can't wait for the pro aborts to try and justify that.
Posted by: Joanne at April 28, 2009 10:31 PM

That "late term" on what was posted could be 17wks gestation (That is what is shown- all 2nd trimester not third). I assume they would not do a caesarean for a "non-viable" fetus (Please corect me if you know of any 17wk surviving fetuses). Its a pretty big and unecessary surgery if the fetus cannot survive outside the womb, but the woman cannot continue carrying the pregnancy at this juncture because of her health, therefore that's the procedure left.

Sorry above was me.

I can't help that I'm not Christian. I was born this way. My parents did their best to indoctrinate me with Sunday school, but I never believed a word of it. I've never thought that the Bible is the word of any god. I can't force myself to believe in Christianity any more than you could force yourself to believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Reality,

You are what we call "a prime prospect". You, like the rest of us, are exactly the kind of sinner Jesus died to save. We were all born that way, lost. The great news is that God has given all of us, including you Reality, a measure of faith with which to believe Him. All you have to do is use what you've got.

Just pray, "Jesus, people have told me that they know You and that You died to save me from my sin. I want to know You too Jesus. Save me from my sin. Wash me in Your Blood that was shed for me. Help me to live for You."

Jesus said, "the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." Jn 6:37 If you'll pray that simple prayer Reality, God will save you, wash you, and forgive you from all your sin. It's a great deal! Moreover, He will adopt you into His family, you will be His son, and you will have His Life and His Peace. You can't beat it! Jesus is the best Friend you could ever have. You haven't truly lived, until you've asked Him into your heart.

I wouldn't wait another minute. You can start really living by asking Him into your heart today. You'll never be the same.

Ed

Lauren I hope your mom is doing fine now. I will keep her in my prayers.

Ash:

What about 21 weeks? A baby has survived that early.

And we all know that abortions occur later than that.

There are plenty of people willing to pay for medical care to give those babies a chance.

If they can wait 3 days to deliver a dead baby, they could be injected with steroids to give the baby a better chance rather than poison to kill it, and deliver a live child a few days later. Late abortion isn't about "choice," it's about killing babies.

Ash 2:05am

Premature labor can be induced when the mother's life is at risk or the baby has no chance of survival. For example, a uterine infection.
A pregnant woman can legally and safely seek any help she needs to preserve her health and life in a hospital equipped to manage her care.
There is no need for the likes of Tiller or Carhart.
Unlike Tiller, the hospital won't hire untrained and unlicensed people off the street to care for these women.

Mary,

"There is no need for the likes of Tiller or Carhart."

Great point.

Janet, I second the motion!

"There is no need for the likes of Tiller or Carhart."

Wouldn't that make a great Country-Western Song? (I hope I'm not offending any C/W fans.)

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

-Epicurus, philosopher (c. 341-270 BC)

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? -Epicurus, philosopher (c. 341-270 BC) "

Yes, this is a very bad argument by Epicurus. The problem is in this line right here:

"Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent."

Yes he is able. However, as I mentioned above, there is a tremendous burden of proof that Epicurus has put on himself by assuming that if God is able, then he should. This is really Epicrus making himself out to be God by saying "if I was God, I would put an end to it." Of course, he must convincingly and exhaustible show that there is NO REASON for God to allow evil to occur- none whatsoever that God can foresee. He also must deal with the problem of the fact that human beings have free will and must show that it is logically necessary for a God who is all powerful and who wishes human beings to have free will to interfere with their partaking in evil. That is the only way this argument can work; that is, if it can be shown that human beings having free will, an all powerful all knowing deity, and human beings engaging in evil are mutually exclusive. Simply asserting it is a snobbish (and dare I say hedonistic as a shoutout to Epicurus' "legacy") manner will not do.

Well, Ethel, that kind of proves you aren't as Christian as you have claimed to be.

Bobby,
Epicurus was a drunken pedophile, so I wouldn't lay too much of a burden on him. But he certainly was on to something.

"But he certainly was on to something. "

Well there is certainly a lot of work that needs to go into his syllogism. It has gaping holes.