We've... long argued that the systematic and ongoing violence against women's health clinics is not the work of lone wackos, as the mainstream media and anti-choice groups often portray it; rather, fault lies with the mainstream "pro-life" movement and a right-wing political establishment that tacitly condones and even promotes anti-choice violence. [The resolution's loss] is a pretty good example.

That is such a bold faced lie. She knows as well as we do that every pro-life organization out there has condemned acts of violence towards the opposition, and never fails to publicly denounce violent acts when they do happen - not to mention by people who are not even associated with us.

Wow...I wonder what is so inflammatory about the word "abortion" that they try to replace it with "women's reproductive health"...I'm sure providers get shot all the time for providing pap tests and tubal ligations. C'mon.

and once again I wonder...how many of those female senators have had abortions?

Why can't people just admit they made a mistake instead of screaming so loudly trying to make THEMSELVES believe what they did was right while dragging down other people with them?

Once again abortion becomes "women's health care." Sure isn't "health" for the innocent babies that are killed every day.

Bravo to the unnamed Senator. Hope we find out who it is. The one thing we can be certain of.... it's a Republican.

After an abortion you either get bitter, angry and become proabortion or you work through the regret and anguish, find forgiveness and become prolife.

Carla,

I'm sure what you are saying is true. I think many of the radical pro aborts had an abortion at one time themselves, or maybe had a daughter who did. They have to justify it somehow.

Anyway, I couldn't help myself.... I had to respond to this article. I'm soooo sick of pro aborts talking about "reproductive health care" and other such nonsense phrases. Call it what it is pro aborts!

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/06/19/anonymous-republican-senator-puts-hold-resolution-condemn-clinic-violence

The biggest loss is in Kansas where the pro deathers lost their sugar daddy. Dan Monnat as a lawyer lost his biggest account evah.

That makes me mad. Yes, it couldn't POSSIBLY be an anti-abortion, Republican FEMALE, because everyone knows that to be any sort of powerful and legitimate female in this world, women NEED abortion, and only someone who was ANTI-WOMAN/MALE would oppose Our Holy Sacrament of abortion.

Yeah...the "lone senator" HAD to be a white supremacist, right-wing, male extremist, right?

Ok well I just responded to a patronizing pro abort who told me I don't know what I am talking about. I'm done there now as radical pro aborts aren't going to change their minds anyway.

And RDS and xalisae..... I see the points you are making but it's almost certain it was a male Republican. The only females are Collins, Snowe and Hutchinson. The first two are pro abort so the only possibility is Hutchinson but that is unlikely.

I think it could be Coburn or DeMint or Brownback but we likely will never know for sure.

Joanne,
I have been to RHReality Check as well and went round and round and round on a post about Silent No More.
No need to go back there. We need you here!!!

Bethany: it's not only a lie, it's delusional.
What planet does this feminista live on?

Joanne: I could just kiss you! Wonderful job on RHReality Check!

Jill at Feministe says, "...ongoing violence against women's health clinics is not the work of lone wackos, as the mainstream media and anti-choice groups often portray it."

Uhhhhhhh... what mainstream media is she talkin' about? Because everywhere I see it, MSM is not blaming lone wackos, but a "climate of anti-choice rhetoric" (MSNBC, CNN, ABC).

Also from Feministe.com:

"Republican Congressmen aren’t out shooting doctors, but they are making it clear that they aren’t going to condemn those who do. That’s a pretty frightening perspective, and it lends credence to those people who do commit violent acts. It leads them to believe that they are supported by the Republican party, corporate media and the pro-life establishment."

"And they are."

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/19/violence-abetting-anti-choice-fanatics-now-in-congress/

Bethany is right, they are lying.

Is it the Senate's job to condemn every murder in the country or is that reserved for the "special" people like Tiller who are murdered?

I'm wondering why the Senate is even wasting their time with this kind of thing when they don't have time to read the stimulus packages. Will someone ask them that?

Isn't it the pro-aborts who say "judge not, lest ye be judged" to pro-lifers? In the next breathe they condemn a whole segment of the population (Us). Yikes.

"We’ve written a lot about the anti-choice movement here on Feministe and elsewhere, and have long argued that the systematic and ongoing violence against women’s health clinics is not the work of lone wackos, as the mainstream media and anti-choice groups often portray it; rather, fault lies with the mainstream “pro-life” movement and a right-wing political establishment that tacitly condones and even promotes anti-choice violence."

So, the pro-life movement is MAINSTREAM now! How cool is that??

The fear-mongering propaganda continues from the pro-choice side:

"If by "pregnancy resource centers" you mean crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs) which use fear, guilt and misinformation as part of their normal operating procedure, then no, of course we don't support them. We do support the option of adoption, for those who want it---but that's a way hairier path than abortion, even more so than carrying the pregnancy and keeping the child, so few people choose it." (Anonymous @3:49 Feministe)
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/06/19/violence-abetting-anti-choice-fanatics-now-in-congress/

She says adoption is "a way more harrier path than abortion". Oh my! And they've (PC'rs) told us that giving birth is so much riskier than abortion. With talk like that, the U.S. population will be down to manageable numbers in no time and the rest of the world will be able to move in and enjoy what was once our beautiful country.

Carla and Angel,

Thank you both!

I do believe there are people who are "soft" on their support for abortion. Those people are ones I believe who might say "I dont believe in abortion for myself, but don't want to impose my beliefs on others" or people who really haven't educated themselves on fetal development, etc, or on just how heinous abortion "procedures" are.

Those are the ones I believe we can convert to pro life. I personally was always opposed to abortion but didn't really think about it a lot until Barack Obama came along. Somehow I came across Bill OReilly's interview with Jill and could hardly believe what I was hearing. Then I ended up here. So a radical pro abort presidential candidate turned me into an activist.

I really object too when they say PCC sprend "misinformation." Yes why on earth should we be allowed to inform women about their unborn babies growth and development, or counsel them on abortion risks, or talk about alternatives such as giving their baby up for adoption.... or if they want to keep their baby provide practical help such as cribs, baby clothes, etc. Pro aborts complain we only want to stop abortions and we do nothing to help the pregnant moms but even when we do with our centers we are "misinforming" them. There is no pleasing pro aborts. Abortion is the only answer for them.... which is why I refuse to call them "pro choice." If they really believed in "choice" they would support our centers just as they demand others support their abortion mills...... otherwise known as "health clinics."

It's certainly not the "health" of the baby they are thinking about!!

Janet,

Great posts!

"violence-abetting-anti-choice-fanatics-in-congress" is about as ridiculous as it gets.

Where was the resolution condemning the murder of innocent soldier William Long??? Where was the left on that one?

And so because someone of good conscience could not support a pro abortion "resolution" that makes them abetters of violence?

If wanting to save innocent babies makes us "fanatics" then I plead guilty.

Whenever the abortionists go on about violence, make them face the contradictions and irrationalities of their positions.

Remind them that their movement has destroyed ONE BILLION human beings around the world in the last twenty years. They are the worst killers and the worst practitioners of violence in human history.

Remind them that they would have allowed George Tiller to be killed in the unborn stage. They do not and cannot support his right to life (or anyone else's) and cannot logically object to his being killed.

Remind them that George Tiller would be alive today if Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress had passed federal legislation in January to protect unborn children from abortion violence.

Thanks, Joanne @ 5:22.
but, I gave the wrong http address for the source of my quote.
Posted by: Janet at June 22, 2009 5:06 PM

It should be:
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/06/19/anonymous-republican-senator-puts-hold-resolution-condemn-clinic-violence

I think I'm done for the day. My brain has stopped working completely. :(

That's ok Janet. The person you quoted was the pro abort who told me how dumb I was. lol

Anyway tomorrow is my volunteer day at my local PCC. However I won't have the opportunity to "misinform" anyone, I'm working in the office. It's exciting to be a part of this as our centers have a great role to play in helping moms and saving babies.

Don't get too upset with anything that Feministe writes. I read their blog for a little longer than a year when I was working on research for an essay- I grew to hate feminism because of them (well, not just them, but lots of people like them).

Now I'm slightly confused about feminism, frankly. There are feminists who are genuinely good people and really do believe in equal rights.

But just ignore the hateful words at Feministe. They cheered Tiller's death, pleased that they would have more of an excuse to hate anyone different from themselves. If feminism has two faces, one being the face that Susan B. Anthony supported- the face that is passionate about women's rights- and the other face being one of bigotry and obsession with abortion.

Feministe represents the latter face.

"That's ok Janet. The person you quoted was the pro abort who told me how dumb I was."

Posted by: Joanne at June 22, 2009 6:20 PM

Rh Reality Check regulars are a bunch of shrill harpies. I normally would not paint a group of people with such a broad brush stroke, but I have made numerous visits to that site and it has been consistently true. If you question them whatsoever, they will resort to grade school style crudeness and bullying. I've read conversations where they literally described dissenting visitor's parents' sexual habits in mockery. Contrast that with the tone of the debate at this site. Yes, occasionally someone will get sarcastic or snappy towards a dissenting view here, but the debate is generally respectful and productive.

Is this any diffferent?

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1290&dat=19931026&id=nsQPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AI0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=2700,5684762

I am George Tiller by Mao Tse Tung

yor bro ken

"anti-choice" groups? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Let's see now, the babies don't get a choice.

Groups like NOW, NARAL, PP, et al fight informed consent laws for all they're worth.

If I had a dollar for every post-abortive woman who felt as though she had no choice but to kill her baby, I'd be wealthy. The elements of deception, desperation, manipulation, fear, and coercion at work in/on most, if not all, women who submit themselves and their children to these atrocities are too common to see abortion as a "choice." As Frederica Matthewes-Green so astutely pointed out years ago, "A woman does not choose and abortion the way she chooses an ice cream cone or a Porsche. A woman 'chooses' an abortion the way an animal caught in a trap 'chooses' to gnaw off its leg." An act of desperation is, ipso facto, not an act of free choice. Matthewes-Green's comment rang true enough that even Planned Parenthood, spinmasters that they are, could not gainsay it and featured it as quote of the month on the front page of one of their newsletters.

Women, as a rule, do not try to become pregnant so that they can have abortions; they try to become pregnant so they can have children...if they can; many find, after an abortion, that when they want to have children, they cannot; or, if they can, it is much more dangerous and difficult for them to do so due to damages done to their reproductive system by the abortion. So how's that,again, about "reproductive freedom"?

While there are many men who abandon their pregnant partners-many more thanks to the great abortion escape from responsibility- the abortion profiteers see to it that fathers who don't want their children killed are given no choice.

Perhaps the greatest proof of just how cynical phrases like "a woman's right to choose" really are is simply the fact that, of the millions of registered voters in the U.S. in 1973, exactly nine actually were allowed to vote on Roe.v.Wade, and all of them were men. Ironically, the plaintiff in that case never had an abortion. The case took longer than nine months, and one can only stay pregnant with the same child for so long. Still more ironic is the fact that when she wanted to abort that child, her "pro-choice" attorney withheld information from her as to where and how she could legally obtain one at that time.

So again, the real anti-choicers are NOW, NARRAL, et al...projecting, as usual, their own faults onto their opponents, rather than facing them.

If violence begets violence, which our touchy feely liberal friends are wont to remind us, then who initiated the violence at the Tiller's chop house of choice?

Was it not mr. Tiller himself who freely and proudly declared that he had personally killed 60,000 prenatal children.

Surely an intellectually honest person would have to admit some of those 'acts of mercy and kindness' on the part of mr. Tiller would be considered 'violent' if they were performed on them or even their pet dog or cat or goldfish.

How can vivisection not be accurately described as 'violent'?

What a bunch of duplicitious wimps and bigots.

Call it karma, call it reaping and sowing, call it what goes around comes around, call it cause and effect, or choices have consequences.

mr. Tiller was a murderer and the son of a murderer.

mr. Tiller was the victim of his own violence.

Exhume his body, mumify it and put it on display, like Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin and get all the 'pr' mileage you can out of his sorry life and death, but somewhere in the telling of his demise be at least as honest as he was and acknowledge that he killed 60,000 pre-natal children, some of them 'violently' and was handsomely rewarded with millions of dollars in 'blood money' with which he financed some of your political careers.

yor bro ken

Under the category of 'doubling down on dumb and losing money on the replay.......again.'
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"We've... long argued that the systematic and ongoing violence against women's health clinics is not the work of lone wackos, as the mainstream media and anti-choice groups often portray it; rather, fault lies with the mainstream "pro-life" movement and a right-wing political establishment that tacitly condones and even promotes anti-choice violence. [The resolution's loss] is a pretty good example."

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If there were a 'conspiracy on the part of pro-lifers to perpetrate acts of violence or even vandalism against 'chop houses of choice', then don't you think there would be hundreds, if not thousands, of these so called 'anti-choice, homophobic, misogynistic, bigoted, right wing religious fanatics and terrorists in prison.

And wouldn't the loons of the left be parading them before us via the lap dog lame scream media every waking hour of our day.

You people are not just dishonest, you are delusional.

How do you even find your way home after the end of a lond day of mindless ranting?

Do you wear a ID tag around your neck and rely on the kindness of strangers?

yor bro ken

jtm,
Great post! Thank you!

I recall in my hometown 40 years ago a prominent and highly respected rabbi being murdered in his synagogue by a crazed member of his congregation.

Mrs. Alberta King, the mother of Dr.Martin Luther King Jr., was shot by a crazed gunman as she sat at the organ of her Baptist Church

I just googled "church shootings" and found any number of shootings taking place in houses of worship.

Correct me if I am wrong, were any House or Senate resolutions passed at the time of these killings condemning violence in houses of worship or expressing condolences to the families of victims?

Whereas acts of violence are never an acceptable means of expression and always shall be condemned:

Really - do they also condemn the violence of abortion, that's equivalent of running a human being through a wood chipper?

Naw....abortion is loving medical care.