Wallis: Abortion "not yet" out of healthcare bills

lou dobbs logo 2.jpgLiberal Christian Obama supporter Jim Wallis debated FRC's Tony Perkins on CNN's Lou Dobbs show August 25.

In that segment Wallis admitted...

... There is a consensus in the faith community that federal funds should be prohibited from paying for abortions in a healthcare bill. That's where we have to go. Are all the bills clear on that now? Not yet. They're making progress on the Hill. We're not there yet....

The president has said that he doesn't want federal funds to pay for abortions....

To which Perkins responded:

If we could take the issue of abortion and this end-of-life counseling off the table, we could have a legitimate discussion over healthcare. But the president has refused to let his yes be yes and his no be no, to borrow a passage from Scripture, and say, "All right, I'll accept one of the dozen amendments that's been offered in committee that would say 'no' to taxpayer funded abortion. He's yet to do that....

Watch the entire segment...

BTW, Obama has most definitely not said he "doesn't want federal funds to pay for abortions." He has said the opposite.

I've previously posted AUL's video excerpting from Obama's now infamous speech at a 2007 Planned Parenthood event that he considered "reproductive care" to be "essential care... basic care. And so it is at the center and at the heart of the plan that I propose."

The National Right to Life Committee at StoptheAbortionAgenda.com has posted a similar video clip but with a nice tag at the end of Hillary Clinton testifying in April 2009 that "reproductive health includes access to abortion." Here 'tis...

Wallis was likely referring to Obama's July 21 interview with Katie Couric. But even then Obama did not say what Wallis said he said. Read carefully:

You know, what I think is important at this stage is not trying to micromanage what benefits are covered. ...

As you know, I'm pro-choice, but I think we also have a tradition in this town historically of not financing abortions as part of government, you know, funded health care. And rather than wade into the issue at this point, I think it is appropriate for us to figure out how to deliver on the cost savings and not get distracted on the abortion debate at this stage.

Obama only quoted history. He did not say he agreed with it. Classic Obama. We have to watch his wordsmithing as closely as we had to watch Bill Clinton's.

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Obama only quoted history. He did not say he agreed with it. Classic Obama. We have to watch his wordsmithing as closely as we had to watch Bill Clinton's.

Not only that, but he's saying that we need to just not talk about abortion as an issue right now. See, if you leave out the observation about history, it reads "As you know, I'm pro-choice. And rather than wade into the issue at this point, I think it is appropriate for us to figure out how to deliver on the cost savings and not get distracted on the abortion debate at this stage."

Seems very clear to me that what he's actually saying is 'Well, I'm pro-choice and I just don't want to debate abortion right now.' ... Well, of course he doesn't! Who would want to discuss something when discussing it reduces their likelihood of getting what they want? That's like a kid asking mom for money, and when mom says ,"Is it for candy?", the kid says, "Well, mom, you know I like candy. I know you usually don't like to pay for candy. I think it's important that we not talk about the specifics, but that you give me the money."

Posted by: MaryRose at August 27, 2009 12:28 PM


Good points, MaryRose! :)

Posted by: Pamela at August 27, 2009 12:47 PM


It is incorrect for anyone to refer to The O as "Christian." He is a Black Liberation Theology follower. BLT is not a Christian religion any more than the Nation of Islam is Muslim. Both use selective quotes to pretend and try to fool outsiders looking in.

BO is only pro-choice when the rest of us make choices he approves of.

Posted by: Mark at August 27, 2009 1:57 PM


And here I thought BLT was just a sandwich... LOL.

Seriously, though, I have never heard of the Black Liberation Theology thing. Does Obama actually profess this religion? I hope it's not another pseudo-Christian cult. The mass media has a way of identifying such groups as "Christians", when in fact they are not. They just don't understand the difference, I guess. I've noticed that many liberals don't seem to really understand what Christianity is truly all about, but they have a lot of ideas of what they *think* it's about. :-)

Posted by: army_wife at August 27, 2009 5:02 PM


I think if someone worships Jesus Christ as God and the son of God, and believes He died and was resurrected, then they should be able to call themselves Christians. You have no more right to say they're not "real" Christians then they have the right to say that about you. Certainly one could say that certain views don't correspond to Catholic teachings, or Baptist teachings, or whatever. But saying it's not "Christian" is a bit over the top. "Christian" is a wide net. Many Christians even believe that abortion is okay.

However, President Obama, (unfortunately) seems like a pretty mainstream Christian.

Posted by: Hal at August 27, 2009 7:51 PM


Hal,

You write of things which you know not, yet, but you will in the fullness of time.

B.O. has publicly stated that not only is he a christian, but a committed christian, a devout christian.

I can NOT say for a certainty that BO is NOT a christian.

I can say for a certainty that B.O.'s walk is not consistent with his talk.

B.O. pratices lying, deceipt, manipulation, and intimidation and none of these are fruits of the Spirit or characteristic of the kingdom of God.

B.O. may be a 'christian', but he is neither 'committed' nor 'devout'.

I would not break bread with a brother in the LORD like B.O. unless the LORD directed me to do so.

I would shun him, stand aloof from him and warn others to do likewise and I would and do pray for B.O. to be restored to the fellowship and the communion of the body of Christ and the kingdom of God.

Hal, if you read the new testament part of the 'book' then you will see these are the actions prescribed for believers who are publicly sinning and who will not listen to sound wisdom, but choose instead to lean on their own understanding choose the path that leads to their destruction.

yor bro ken

Posted by: kbhvac at August 27, 2009 11:39 PM


Pamela,

Thanks :) I find it interesting to see the times when BHO isn't actually talking out both sides of his mouth, but is very carefully saying almost exactly what we're saying he is. Here, for instance, he is essentially making his agenda known, but he is using wordplay to make it sound as though he's saying something else. He's not not telling us what he's going to do ;)

On the other hand, he straight-out lies, also... but when he seems to expect that we'll be paying close attention, he phrases things very cautiously.

Posted by: MaryRose at August 28, 2009 2:41 AM


Hal, if you read the new testament part of the 'book' then you will see these are the actions prescribed for believers who are publicly sinning and who will not listen to sound wisdom, but choose instead to lean on their own understanding choose the path that leads to their destruction.

yor bro ken
Posted by: kbhvac at August 27, 2009 11:39 PM

I don't know what you're talking about, nor do I care. Have a fantastic fantasy life. I do know that I've watched today a host of men of God predict with confidence the everlasting reward that is waiting for Senator Kennedy. He even got a nice letter from the Pope. So much for "shunning." Maybe you should start your own religion.

Posted by: Hal at August 29, 2009 7:26 PM


Hal, when it's our time to give account (and we all will), it does not matter what men, nor their stature, have to say about us. God's standard is perfection and we all fall short, and can only claim Christ's perfect sacrifice for us. Men who claim to be "of God" lauding Kennedy's self-serving politics that has lead to the death of innocents does the entire Body harm.

For any who think one can claim to follow Christ and embrace the destruction of little ones He created in His image, for His pleasure, repent:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? Heb 10:26-29

Posted by: klynn73 at August 29, 2009 8:13 PM


"I do know that I've watched today a host of men of God predict with confidence the everlasting reward that is waiting for Senator Kennedy."

Nobody knows. We simply do not know, nor do any of the bishops or the pope.

Posted by: Bobby Bambino Author Profile Page at August 29, 2009 10:05 PM


Bobby Bambino noted:
Nobody knows. We simply do not know, nor do any of the bishops or the pope.

QFT. Actually, Bobby's slightly inaccurate, because God knows. However, none of the rest of us know that status of anyone's soul, whether we're pundits, pastors, or even the Pope. We just don't know.

That said, Christ told us to judge people by their fruit. Obama's fruit hasn't been good. I wanted to like Obama. For about a week after his Inaugural, I was tempted by Hope and Change. He said many of the right things.

Unfortunately, while Obama says many of the right things, he does many of the wrong things. Trillion-dollar bailouts, nationalizing the car industry, destroying good used cars in the name of the environment ... and that's just the economic damage he has done. On a personal note, Obama is also lying, deceiving, undermining our nation's morality, etcetera, etcetera.... So I don't know whether or not Obama is a Christian, but if he is, he isn't following Christ very closely.

Posted by: Naaman at September 2, 2009 11:32 AM


"Actually, Bobby's slightly inaccurate, because God knows."

Touche, my friend!

Posted by: Bobby Bambino Author Profile Page at September 2, 2009 2:22 PM