Late-term abortionist on hand to cheer Pelosi's healthcare bill

Well, take a look who was at Nancy Pelosi's press conference this morning when she unveiled her version of nationalized healthcare - with no abortion exclusion and plans not to allow any. How appropriate that infamous late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart should be on hand to cheer Pelosi on...

LeRoy Carhart, Nancy Pelosi, abortion, healthcare, Obama.jpg

Concerned Women for America's president Wendy Wright spotted Carhart and snapped the photo. CWA just issued this statement...

The abortionist who failed to overturn a ban on partial-birth abortion prominently sported a sign at a press conference in support of Nancy Pelosi's health care bill that she unveiled today. LeRoy Carhart is currently under investigation by the NE Attorney General for unsafe medical practices.

CWA's President Wendy Wright spotted LeRoy Carhart at the press conference.

She stated, "Nancy Pelosi's bill has gained the support of the nation's most notorious partial-birth abortionist who is under investigation for alleged unsafe medical practices. Pelosi's bill can now be rightly called an abortionist's dream. Under her bill, government money will pay for abortions, even the kind that Carhart commits - late-term abortions against viable babies that put women's health at risk."

Carhart faces criminal allegations of allowing non-licensed persons to give injections, start IVs and administer controlled substances. In 2007, his legal challenge to overturn a federal ban against partial-birth abortions failed at the US Supreme Court.


Comments:

Carhart fears for his life. Why is he parading around DC?

Posted by: Janet at October 29, 2009 12:34 PM


Does anyone know who will be administering the healthcare bill if it passes? Sebelius?

Posted by: Janet at October 29, 2009 12:39 PM


Okay, this is slightly off of the topic, but since this aritcle mentions patial-birth abortion, why were pro-choicers throwing a fit about it being banned?

It was banned in all cases except for when the mother's health was at risk, which, according to them was the only time that it was used. I have to say, why are they complaining about it being banned if the ban basically reiterated what they said that it did? They said it is never used except for in dire circumstances- so does the bill, so what on earth were people like Carhart complaining about?

Posted by: Vannah at October 29, 2009 1:05 PM


As I understand it, late-term abortion wasn't banned in and of itself - a certain procedure was....meaning, I guess that Congress and pro-lifers know more about medicine and surgery than doctors....

Posted by: Millie at October 29, 2009 1:09 PM


Looks like Carhart isn't very busy.

Posted by: xppc at October 29, 2009 1:18 PM


It is never medically necessary to partially deliver a baby, stab her in the back of the head and suck her brains out. Nice try.

Leroy does not look good. Abortion is taking a toll on him.

Posted by: carla Author Profile Page at October 29, 2009 1:19 PM


He doesn't look good. It just goes to show when your job takes the life of precious babies, it WILL take a toll.

Posted by: kmann at October 29, 2009 1:38 PM


The so-called Partial Birth Abortion Ban only banned ONE PROCEDURE among @ 9 late-term abortion procedures.

The so-called Conservative Supreme Court justices wrote that its fine to perform a late-term abortion as long as you don't take the baby out past the navel.

Basicly, National Right To Life raised $250 MILLION to fight for the passing of an unenforceable ban of one late-term abortion procedure that basicly says kill the baby while he/she is @ 8 inches further inside the womb.

That's why I and ARTL and Enyart and many others who are best informed on this "ban" refer to it as the navel-birth abortion law.

Don't believe it? Just read the majority opinion and read for yourself. Its horrific.

Posted by: Ezek1319 at October 29, 2009 1:43 PM


the irony of that sign he holds is that GOD is PRO LIFE and the AUTHOR of LIFE.

Abortion is taking the lives of the future of America.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 29, 2009 2:11 PM


To kill a full-term baby is never an excuse. They have a medical procedure called a Cesarean(c-section) for cases where the mother's/child's and in some cases both lives are at risk! This right here is bull$8i7. How many babies were born through a c-section at early stages and survived?! PLENTY! As a doctor their job as they swore in is to SAVE lives. These babies being slaughtered are by "choice" of these women who pay greedy doctor to murder an innocent life! Where will it end? The day it is legal to kill any and all who are unable to care for themselves- the young, the old and the sick?

Posted by: prolife wife and mother of 2 at October 29, 2009 2:31 PM


Carhart forgot to bring his pom-poms.

Posted by: carder at October 29, 2009 2:34 PM


The Partial Birth Abortion Ban bans delivering a baby to the neck and killing him. The SCOTUS ruling explains it is permissible to deliver the baby to the navel and then kill him.

Posted by: Cranky Catholic at October 29, 2009 3:38 PM


Posted by: Cranky Catholic at October 29, 2009 4:16 PM


heartbreakingchoice.com/hydrocephalus
My how Christian everyone here seems...and yet so un-Christlike. I do wonder at the lack of empathy shown so often on this site....I think it's a sad commentary on the Christian religion...but still, I sometimes find some very good thoughts, ones I want to remember, among the vitriol, hatred, and ignorance. So thank you for that!

Posted by: Millie at October 29, 2009 4:26 PM


A child should not have to be KILLED by ABORTION because of a disability. It is not Christ like to recommend terminating a pregnancy because of a disability.

http://babyfaithhope.blogspot.com/

This baby was diagnosed with Anecephaly (no brain). She lived for THREE wonderful months after birth. Her mother didn't terminate her life.


How many doctors would recommend abortion for a cleft lip, club foot, Downs, etc, if National Health Care gets passed?

Cleft Lip and Club foot are fixable by surgery. Downs children are the sweetest children. How many of them won't get the chance to smile because of the obsession with perfection?

The stories you linked to are tragic, but abortion is NOT right.

Its not unChrist-like to love these children. Its unChrist-like to destroy them through abortion.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 29, 2009 4:39 PM


Yes. Kill a child with a disability before she dies naturally. Makes perfect sense.

Posted by: carla Author Profile Page at October 29, 2009 4:45 PM


Millie , I do believe you are the ignorant one. You say Christians are not Christlike on here. But YOu support killing a baby. ummm that no longer gives you the right to say anything bad about anyone. Killing babies is the worst crime ever.!!! NO matter what the reason. Moms used to rather die then let their child die. Oh, how times have changed. Keep fighting for the right to kill babies. Very honorable. You are the ignorant ones!!

Posted by: chris at October 29, 2009 5:10 PM


For those who pray, one thing we should do is pray that doctors won't want to perform abortions. I read somewhere that in the UK, they are losing abortionists. Don't have a link and it might not be true, but there is more than one way to defeat abortion.

Posted by: Louise at October 29, 2009 5:41 PM


I LOVE the Carhart/Gamorrean Guard pic! LOL!!! And yes, Leroy must be gasping for financial breath after nearly four years of 40 Days For Life...he's now fighting for his own "right-to-earn-a-living-aborting-life!"

Posted by: MEL at October 29, 2009 6:16 PM


LizfromNebraska,

Thanks for linking Baby Faith Hope! Love that little girl! :) It's amazing to me how much she accomplished and how much her family will always have to remember her by in just 3 short months!

And YES! Down Syndrome children all too often get labeled as "not right" and "problem" children. They're so amazing, though, and they bring SO MUCH JOY! I can't imagine my life without my little sis, who was born with a unique mental retardation similar to but distinct from Down's. She is absolutely the most joyful person I have ever met, and has taught me more about humanity, love, and goodness!

Posted by: MaryRose at October 29, 2009 6:55 PM


Millie,

Watch out- your ignorance is showing.

Posted by: Becca at October 29, 2009 7:22 PM


Okay, I'm going to be off topic again, but this is an issue that a lot of you seem passionate about:

Newsweek has a new article on the future of abstinence education. I didn't read but the first paragraph, but I thought that one of you might want to check it out.

:)

Posted by: Vannah at October 29, 2009 7:25 PM


Posted by: Millie at October 29, 2009 4:26 PM

..."I sometimes find some very good thoughts, ones I want to remember, among the vitriol, hatred, and ignorance."

-------------------------------------------------------

Would those 'good thoughts, ones you want to remeber' be the opinions that re-inforce your own bigoted and biased view of Jesus and christians?

yor bro ken

Posted by: kbhvac at October 29, 2009 7:52 PM


Actually yor bro ken, no...sometimes the thoughts are about how abortions can be limited or even extinguished - usually, it's true that it involves knowledge of contraception...but a lot of times it's because I agree (amazing I know) that there IS a problem with random hook-up culture and the sexuality permeating so much of our culture; especially in regard to young girls.

The things that reinforce my "bigoted and biased" view of Jesus and Christians are ones such as yours, assuming that 1) I'm pro-abortion, or even pro-choice - which I have never told you. And 2) ignoring women who HAVE gone through a late-term abortion and without knowing anything about them, their situations, their stories, or their circumstances presume to judge them by your own standards.

For the record, I'm pro-life and I hate abortion. However, I do know enough about Jesus to know that he showed compassion and understanding, something I very rarely see here, despite all the talk about helping women and families.

I believe my comment was on empathy - something I said was lacking. While I HATE abortion, and especially late-term abortion, I can still feel very empathetic to those women, who honestly felt theirs was the best decision for them and their families and who very much wanted their babies, but felt a late-term abortion was better. I don't agree necessarily, but I can feel for them, and try to put myself in their shoes, something many people on this site should try to do better - especially if they want to change hearts about abortion.

Just a thought.

Posted by: Millie at October 29, 2009 9:17 PM


Why is Leroy Carhart, the notorious late-term abortionist, at the Obamacare-Pelosi press conference? Could it be that he is celebrating this bill because he knows that abortion is going to be fully funded and promoted in this bill? Like Sarah Palin would say "You Betcha"! Could it be that Obama and company have lied about abortion funding NOT being in this bill? "You Betcha"! Thank you Wendy Wright for getting this picture please get this picture to Hannity and O'Reilly, the country needs to see this.

Posted by: Prolifer L at October 29, 2009 9:22 PM


I was BORN with hydrocephalus, Millie. Surgery corrected it, and some other conditions that came with it. I am also a Christian. The 'link' you posted was pretty sickening. Right at the top of the page, they 'memorialize' Tiller The Baby-Killer. That let me know right away what it was, so I didn't stay long. Killing a child is NOT a 'choice', but it IS heartbreaking. Doctors are not GOD, and even THEY admit that alot of these pre-natal tests are not very accurate. I was told my daughter had some 'markers' for Down Syndrome , and they offered me the 'option' of amniocentesis, which I flatly refused. I told them whatever the outcome,this was my child, and I was going to HAVE her and LOVE her. As it turned out, their tests were WRONG.My child does NOT have Down Syndrome and in fact, is very advanced for her age. Too many parents treat a doctor's word as LAW, and their child dies as a result. I choose God's Word over a doctor's, and my beautiful child is alive and well because of it.

Posted by: Pamela at October 29, 2009 9:50 PM


Millie, if you're pro-life, why the link to http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com?

The site your linked to supports abortion to end the life of a terminally ill baby prematurely. That is not pro-life.

Posted by: bethany Author Profile Page at October 29, 2009 9:52 PM


Millie,

do you believe abortion should be legal?


Posted by: Jasper at October 29, 2009 9:59 PM


Carhart looks DEPRESSED...like there is no life behind those eyes. What a horrible life...to kill children every day. And yet he chooses that life. I just can't comprehend it.

Posted by: Sydney M. at October 29, 2009 10:02 PM


I don't agree necessarily, but I can feel for them, and try to put myself in their shoes, something many people on this site should try to do better - especially if they want to change hearts about abortion.

I notice you threw in the word "necessarily"...so what exactly does that mean? You do agree with it or not?

And how exactly do you change hearts on abortion by condoning abortion?

Posted by: bethany Author Profile Page at October 29, 2009 10:02 PM


Oh, thanks Bethany, I didn't think Millie was pro-life..that link confirms it

Posted by: Jasper at October 29, 2009 10:03 PM


Thanks for posting, Pamela. You are living proof that a person can survive hydrocephalus.

Its really sad that so called "doctors" paint a picture of a horrible life for a child with Downs or Cerebral Palsy or hydrocephalus or whatever........

I agree with you, bethany. I read one of the stories of the Downs baby being killed.

Is it better to die a horrible death by abortion or to die naturally surrounded by a loving family?

Abortion isn't a natural death.

These families were lead to believe that it was better to kill their baby than to let their child die a NATURAL death.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 29, 2009 10:04 PM


BTW Millie, yes, Jesus was compassionate and loving towards sinners (which we all are!) but Jesus never stood there at the woman at the well and said "Well, you've been married 5 times and you're with a man who isn't your husband even now...but just go on sinning! Go on home and fornicate the day away lest I judge you!"

NO! He FORGAVE and then set the sinner FREE of a lifestyle of sin! Christ forgives women that have abortions. But He doesn't then say "Oh its okay you aborted your baby. You had your reasons." NO! He never condones sin! He forgives and then SETS FREE!

Posted by: Sydney M. at October 29, 2009 10:09 PM


Here's the story from the page Millie linked to...

"I went through that night in a fog. The next day an amnio, then on to a high tech diagnostic facility, back to the hospital, then the next to to a perinatologist, then another. All in all eight professionals looking at my baby on a tiny black and white screen, giving me the words that would change the rest of my life. He has severe hydrocephalus, enlarged ventricles and a stunted cerebellum. He would be profoundly retarded and would have no quality of life.
There was no decision to be made. I loved him so much I could let him go without any hesitation. He was a perfect little soul in a damaged body. It was our job as his parents to send him up to heaven.I decided on a D&E."


So...the baby might be mentally retarded or be dissabled- so the immediate thought- He's not going to be perfect, so the OBVIOUS choice is to kill him! I mean, that's what good and caring mothers do for their disabled children, right?

Here's how she tops it off at the end:

"I am grateful every single day for prenatal testing. As hard as this all is, I am grateful I had the knowledge to make my decision. I am grateful that I had doctors who did not miss the signs on the sonogram. I am grateful to know that I am capable of being a selfless and brave human being."

I don't think I can read any more of the stories. That one made me sick.

Posted by: bethany Author Profile Page at October 29, 2009 10:12 PM


Infants who will suffer is a complicated matter because, unfortunately, it is something that will eventually happen, though with luck, we'll find more cures to help them.

In my own opinion, which is likely of little concern to anyone here since I'm not a doctor or a parent, dignity and respect and simplicity are what make life, in great part, beautiful. And therefore we as humans mustn't judge parents panic over what to do about a terminally ill child and instead just offer as much support as we can, even if that support is just a shoulder to cry on. And therefore dignity, dying while surrounded by loved ones, is important to both the child and the parents. Either way the mother and father are losing someone who they love and so either way they are already in a heartbreaking state...

But my personal opinion is that there is no dignity in abortion, though I try not to judge anyone whose child is going through that. As I said, there is no dignity in abortion, albeit, there is no love in hating someone who didn't know what else to do either.

This is why I am NEVER becoming a parent. Too complicated.

Posted by: Vannah at October 29, 2009 10:22 PM


So a D&E where they RIP your arms and legs off is what LOVING PARENTS do? UGH!!! I just want to vomit!

I know couples that were told their children were retarded, deformed...etc...and said NO to abortion and the babies were born HEALTHY!!!! How many moms abort thinking the child is "damaged" (like we are talking about furniture and not a baby, but their words) and the child is healthy as can be. Doctors make mistakes you know.

God said "Who hath made man's mouth? Or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing or the blind? have not I the Lord?"

Every child aborted for "defects" was a child created specifically with a purpose by GOD. Created with "defects" not by accident but with a plan in mind by GOD. HIS thoughts are higher than OUR thoughts. We are the creation, HE is the creator. Do we, the creation, dare tell the Creator how to do things? How dare we think we know best! What foolish pride!

Posted by: Sydney M. at October 29, 2009 10:24 PM


Vannah, I honestly think it is only complicated when we make it that way.

Posted by: bethany Author Profile Page at October 29, 2009 10:26 PM


Sydney, I agree- and my cousin a couple of years ago was told that her baby had hydrancephaly and that she would probably not even make it much past birth, if that long.

Against the doctor's advice, she decided to carry to term...the baby was born, had a shunt put in her head, drained fluid...she is a perfectly healthy toddler now! Absolutely adorable- chubby cheeks, so sweet!

I know another woman whose baby was born with it and caused his head to be really large from all the fluid. He was adorable and sweet.

She loved him and got to be with him and enjoy being a part of his life for about 5 years as he grew up. He ended up dying but not of the hydrancephaly- he got sick and aspirated on his vomit one night sadly.

I drew a portrait of him for her years ago...his name was Andrew. He was beautiful and sweet and he will always be remembered.

Posted by: bethany Author Profile Page at October 29, 2009 10:39 PM


I have to comment one more time! I read some of the stories on that website Millie linked to...

WHAT DID KILLING THOSE BABIES ACCOMPLISH?

Baby still suffered? check
Mom is still heartbroken? check
diseases were cured right? ugh..nope.

What was the purpose of aborting? "well, the baby was sick and going to die" so your solution was to KILL THE BABY. HUH? I just don't get it!

I've only had one pregnancy. He was healthy (despite docs ready to give me methotrexate fearing a tubal pregnancy. Then they thought my uterus was septated and I would miscarry. But I delivered vaginally at 38 weeks. So HA doctors!) I can't imagine finding out your baby is sick and going to die. I NEVER want to experience that. But I know I would want to fight for my child...not just give up or worse yet assist in my child's death. I would want to hold his little body and kiss his little cheeks and if God took his life, know that I had no guilt. I would want my baby to rest in my arms and feel his mom's love and warmth if even for a moment.

I really need to get off this addicting website because my toddler WILL be up at the crack of dawn.

Posted by: Sydney M. at October 29, 2009 10:43 PM


I am heartened to hear that some Democrats are also walking away from the public option because it allows our tax dollars to be used to pay for abortion. I sure hope they vote with the same conviction they speak with.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 30, 2009 1:15 AM


I am also glad to see that scumbag baby killer Carhart representing himself as a backer of the Pelosi abortion care plan. The devil gets his handiwork done a lot more easily in the dark.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 30, 2009 1:23 AM


I hope one day you change your mind about becoming a parent, Vannah. Borrowing the slogan from the Peace Core "It's the toughest job you'll ever LOVE". I think you have alot of wisdom to pass on to a child. Just a thought. :)

Posted by: Pamela at October 30, 2009 9:31 AM


Oops..Peace Corps. i THINK I did it right that time! :)

Posted by: Pamela at October 30, 2009 9:33 AM


Dena Schlosser


On November 22, 2004, the Texas Police arrived at Dena Schlosser's apartment to find the mother of three sitting calmly in her living room listening to hymns. She was covered in blood and holding a knife. Schlosser who euphorically confessed she had cut the arms off her eleven-month-old baby daughter, as the song "He Touched Me" played in the background. The child later died in the hospital.

Schlosser claimed to have had heard God commanding her to remove her baby's arm and then her own. The attack was later described as "religious frenzy".

Deanna LaJune Laney

(CNN) — A jury acquitted Deanna LaJune Laney a Texas mother of killing two of her sons and seriously injuring the third after determining she was insane at the time.

Laney admitted bashing her three children in the heads with rocks. She said God told her to do so.

Laney was charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of 8-year-old Joshua and 6-year-old

Andrea Yates

On June 20, 2001, after her husband left for work at 9:00 a.m., Yates filled the family bathtub and drowned all five of her children. She placed four their bodies next to each other on a bed, placing an arm of each boy over another but lef the body of the oldest floating in the bathtub.

Yates called 9-1-1 and calmly asked for a police officer to come, asking for an ambulance only after it was suggested by the operator.

Yates received the officers at the door, telling them she had just killed her children. She led them to the master bedroom where they found the four youngest children covered with a sheet, lying face up on the bed, eyes still open. One was discovered by another officer face down in the bathtub. Yates calmly explained what she had done, and offered no resistance to the officers as she was led away.

Millie,

Can you empathize with these three women?

Can you put your self in their shoes and agonize over their decisions to 'choice' their childern?

But what about the children?

Will you empathize with them?

Now, you may say these three women were insane and did not know what they were doing and you may be right, but are their children any less dead?

But if they were sane and made a reasoned, informed decision to 'choice' their children, would you attempt to put yourself in their shoes and empathize with them or give any serious consideration to the claim that "God told them to do it?"

Justice is supposed to be blind to the status of the victim as well as the status of the accused.

You want to get all balled up in your emotions in an attempt to understand, excuse, justify or rationalize a 'sane' womans 'choice' to kill her pre-natal child.

When King Soloman ordered the disputed baby to be equally divided between the two women who both claimed to be his/her mother, do you envision Soloman, the wisest man who ever lived, actually allowing that bi-section to take place?

1 Kings 3:24-28

24 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword to the king.

25 And the king said, Divide the living child in two and give half to the one and half to the other.

26 Then the mother of the living child said to the king, for she yearned over her son, O my lord, give her the living baby, and by no means slay him.

But [the other woman who claimed to be the babies mother] said,

"Let him not be mine or yours, but divide him."

27 Then the king said, Give her [who pleads for his life] the living baby, and by no means slay him.

She is the child's mother.

28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had made, and they stood in awe of him, for they saw that

the wisdom of God was in Solomon to do justice.
AMP

[Even for prostitutes and their bastard children.]

Jesus, whom you claim to know a little about said of Solomon:

Matt 12:42 The queen of the South will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, Someone more and greater than Solomon is here. [1 Kings 10:1; 2 Chron 9:1.] AMP

Luke 11:31 The queen of the South will arise in the judgment with the people of this age and generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the [inhabited] earth to listen to the wisdom of Solomon, and notice, here is more than Solomon. [1 Kings 10:1-13; 2 Chron 9:1-12.]
AMP

Millie,
You seem to know Jesus selectively. While Jesus does have compassion for women like Schlosser, Laney and Yates and will forgive them for their crimes and sins, Jesus does not condone, indulge or encourage them in their barbarism.

Neither do I.

Jesus said to the woman/prostitute/whore caught in adultery, 'I do not condemn you, go your way and sin no more'.(John8:1-11)

Our unconfessed, unrepentent, unforgiven 'SIN' does condemn us.

Jesus did not fail to notice the woman's sin nor did HE fail to make note of it. If her sin was of no concern to HIM, HE would not have made note of it and instructed her to stop doing it.

Just a little aside:

It is recorded that Jesus wrote something in the dirt and when the womans accusers read it, they, from the oldest to the youngest [notice the order, even an old fool has more wisdom than a young one], dropped their stones and slinked away.

Ever wonder what Jesus wrote in the dirt?

Jer 17:13O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed,

and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth,

because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters. KJV


Jer 17:13 O Lord, the Hope of Israel, all who forsake You shall be put to shame.

They who depart from You and me [Your prophet] shall [disappear like] writing upon the ground,

because they have forsaken the Lord, the Fountain of living waters. AMP

The religious hypocrits who caught the woman in the very act, were more concerned with discrediting Jesus than they were with the woman's welfare, or even keeping the 'law'.

I believe Jesus wrote the name, the day, the hour, the place these men had 'plowed with that same heifer' (Judges 14:18).

Then, in a picture of the way the LORD chooses to forgive and forget our sins, HE removed every trace by an act of HIS own mercy, compassion and love. HE washed it away by the water of HIS WORD.

The writing in the dirt was temporary. It would only mean something to those who know what it meant and the evidence was gone with a sweep of HIS hand or the next rain.

Millie,

Do you get the picture?

yor bro ken


Posted by: kbhvac at October 30, 2009 10:40 AM


Millie, you failed to show the complete picture of a poor prenatal diagnosis. What of these mothers at Be Not Afraid who received a poor prenatal diagnosis but who choose to carry to term & were able to hold their child, kiss their child, and say goodbye, as their child peacefully slipped away (usually parents expect an agonizing death but find their infant does not suffer & goes peacefully), surrounded by the love and support of family. They will have had closure in holding the infant & saying goodbye & will always have memories & pictures of their child. Or what of children born with severe disabilities, which aren't life threatenting or born with life life-threatening defects which are correctable with surgery (i.e. the heart defects associated with Down Syndrome, Hydrochephaly, and Spina Bifida to name a few), or children born with severe mental retardation, who do go on to have a good quality of life.


Posted by: Rachael C. at October 30, 2009 1:34 PM


Millie, I work in direct care at a residentially facility for children & adults with severe developmental disabilities. I only wish you could met some of the individuals I work with. While I cannot go into great details, due to HIPAA regulations, I'd like to share an example with you. Take, a male teen for example, presenting with autism, severe mental retardation, Pica, oppositional defiant disorder, and a communication disorder (he is non-verbal, meaning he doesn't know how to speak). He has his challenges but is happy most of the time & loves country music, rollerblading, spicey foods, & his favorite snacks include cinnamon candy & beef jerky.

Posted by: Rachael C. at October 30, 2009 2:11 PM


or take a teen girl, for example, who has a disruptive behavior disorder, communication disoder(non-verbal), severe MR, cerebral palsy, and epilepsy, & is one out of six children of a single mom. She has a laid-back personality & is pretty happy & easy going most of the time. She's non-verbal & needs almost complete assistance with daily living skills. Her favorite activities include crinkling plastic baggies in her hands (sensory), watching Barney videos, playing in bubble baths, playing with balloons & going for walks. The reason I'm telling you this is so you can see the humanity of these individuals & see they are like other children, each with their own likes, dislikes, & challenges. *Disclaimer:Indentifying information about individuals described above has been changed and obscured as to not represent any actually individual & to ensure privacy & HIPAA compliance.*

Posted by: Rachael C. at October 30, 2009 2:55 PM


But also, most of these children, while they have their challenges go on to have a good quality of life. Who's place is it for us to make that judgement of someone else's value & decide who should live & should die.

Posted by: Rachael C. at October 30, 2009 3:07 PM


Millie,

Here's another angle of empathy.

"There was no decision to be made. I loved him so much I could let him go without any hesitation. He was a perfect little soul in a damaged body. It was our job as his parents to send him up to heaven.I decided on a D&E."

How does a person who thinks this way look at handicapped children?

I ask because my brother had MD. He was keenly aware that tests existed to identify fetuses with his disease. And that kids like him weren't allowed to live because they would have the disease he had.

Life is rough enough for special needs kids. How do you think it makes them feel to know that parents kill their children in utero because they might have difficulties?

I can say it made my brother and his friends feel pretty worthless to most of society.

I hope your empathy can go out to these kids as well.

Posted by: Mary Ann at October 30, 2009 4:31 PM


There's never a reason for an abortion to save the life of the mother, at least not the kind Carhart performs.

Think about it for a second. What medical condition would be best cared for by placing seawead in the cervix, dilating slowly over 2 days, and delivering in a non ambulatory clinic?

I'm going to go with NONE. A hospital will deliver a child early if the mother's life is in danger. My own son was delivered via c-section at 30 wks because it looked as though we were developing an amniotic infection. They would have delivered him even earlier if the infection has occured earlier in the pregnancy. The difference is that a hospital will do everything it can to save the child as well. There was no reason to kill my son because of our infection. They gave him antibiotics and placed him in an isolet to grow. Carhart would have injected his heart with poision!


Likewise, there is no reason to kill a child to save him from death. It's absurd. We have the ability to manage pain, even in very small infants. We can make them comfortable as they pass away. Why kill them prenatally?

There's just no medical reason for a late term abortion. Period.

Posted by: Lauren at October 30, 2009 5:17 PM


Ken,

I must take issue concerning Andrea Yates. This woman was certifiably mentally ill and I hold her husband every bit as responsible for what happened to those children.

This was a woman hospitalized time and again, catatonic and psychotic, and both she and her husband were advised not to have more children. I mean, wouldn't common sense just dictate that a woman suffering post partum psychosis who already has four children, which would stress a mentally stable woman, maybe, just maybe, should not have more children?

Now don't you think a responsible, sensible husband would not even consider more children? Not Rusty. Why Andrea can just go off her medications and get pregnant again! If she develops symptoms, why just lock her up again and treat her. Real simple, right?
I don't consider Andrea as competent to make such a decision and unfortunately she had a spouse incapable of making a responsible decision.

Either Rusty should have had a vasectomy or Andrea a tubal ligation. A responsible spouse would have made such a decision and I believe Andrea would have gone along with Rusty's wishes had he insisted she have a tubal ligation.
Then he leaves her alone with those children when he knows she is not mentally stable.

The man deserves to be in prison as far as I'm concerned, more so than his wife.

Posted by: Mary at October 30, 2009 6:34 PM


As I understand it, late-term abortion wasn't banned in and of itself - a certain procedure was....meaning, I guess that Congress and pro-lifers know more about medicine and surgery than doctors....

Um, no, it means the opposite. The bill was passed with very little knowledge or understanding of D&E's. What is 'partial-birth', anyway? There's no such thing. It's an anti marketing slogan to describe second trimester D&Es.

Basically, the bill prevents the removal of a fetus that might still have a beating heart. So doctors now kill the fetus with an injection to cause fetal demise. Problem solved.

Posted by: Dhalgren at October 30, 2009 8:52 PM


yor bro ken--You hit the nail on the head! EXCELLENT posts!

Posted by: Sydney M. at October 30, 2009 9:06 PM