by JivinJ
If assisted suicide, or even euthanasia, are legally considered forms of "end of life care" in a particular state - as it is now in Oregon, Washington, and Montana - it seems to me that the area's community health insurance option would be required to provide "access" to it under this clause. How else can the provision be read? And because it would have been passed later in time, this clause could be construed to subsume existing federal law that prevents federal funds from being used in assisted suicide.
"We have looked at the language," Nelson told The Hill. "That language is not language that I would prefer.""I think you need to have it eminently clear that no dollars that are federal tax dollars, directly or indirectly, are used to pay for abortions and it needs to be totally clear. [It's] not clear enough, I don't think," Nelson said....
"I believe that there's plenty area for common ground," Pelosi told NPR's Renee Montagne. "We all agree that there will be no federal funding for abortion."?When asked whether she had a specific plan to bring moderate Democrats around on the abortion issue, Pelosi said: "Yes ... but if I talk about it on the radio, then I won't be able to make it happen."
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Comments:
Nelson is going to vote for cloture:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125873899099757651.html
He's hiding behind the "full and open debate" smokescreen. Unfortunately, if the bill comes to the floor, it will pass. Therefore, a vote for cloture is a vote for the bill.
Why am I more knowledgeable about Senate procedure than an actual Senator? Or perhaps I'm just being more honest about it....
Anyway, that's one pro-life Dem who has folded. Let's hope and pray that the rest of them will stand their ground!
Posted by: Naaman at November 20, 2009 1:03 PMLet's pray, no matter what happens with the pro-life issue, that the whole bill fails to pass. We can't afford more debt!!
Posted by: Janet at November 20, 2009 3:46 PMYes, Janet and Naaman, I am sure that the president of United Health Care, who made a billion dollars last year, will take care of you, since you are such fans of his. Maybe he will let you clean the tires on his Bentley.
Posted by: Bystander at November 20, 2009 7:07 PMJanet, amen. I hope and pray it will fail!
Posted by: bethany
at November 20, 2009 9:27 PMBystander,
Wow, he had a good year. Good for him! I wonder how much he gave to charity. Any idea?
This health care monstrosity is gonna hurt the poor by forcing them to give what little they have to the government to pay for health insurance or face fines and prison. It stinks of thievery from the poor and will deepen their inability to escape their destitute situations. The poor and uninsured I would be better off with the status quo. But the people who support this "plan" feel cheated anytime a poor person without health insurance uses the emergency room. That is not compassionate.
Posted by: truthseeker at November 21, 2009 12:32 AMI don't feel cheated when a poor person uses the emergency room. It's there, might as well use it. It doesn't cost any less to run when it's empty.
Hal, do you feel cheated when an "uninsured" person uses the emergency room? This government health "plan" forces people who can't afford insurance to take what little they have and give it to the government to buy insurance or face fines and imprisonment. wtf
Posted by: truthseeker at November 21, 2009 2:04 AMDo any of the European democracies force their citizens to buy health insurance or face fines and imprisonment? What about Canada?
Picture this. A poor person loses their job so they are already financially strapped and struggling just to provide a house and food for themselves and their children. I can't afford to keep up with Cobra payments so I lose the insurance coverage I had from my employment. With the goverment health care plan my "choice" would be to pick between making rent or paying for givernment mandated insurance. Living in the streets or living in jail.
The government ought to keep their freaking hands out of our lives. Have you heard the perverted liberal logic from people like Illinois Senator Dick Durbin who look at these poor people like this as a dream come true. They can throw them in jail and create more government jobs to run their prisons.
Mandated insurance is bull If you want to refuse treatment that is fine, but they have no business fining and incarcerating people who are strapped for money and choose not to buy their insurance. It is freaking unbelievable that they even had the balls to put that in a health plan proposal for US citizens.
Posted by: truthseeker at November 21, 2009 2:28 AMAmen to that, Truthseeker. That's one of the many problems I have with the bill. Fines and imprisonment for not having insurance? Doesn't make sense to me, either. What if you can pay out of pocket and don't WANT insurance?
Posted by: army_wife at November 21, 2009 7:34 AM