Jivin J's Life Links 12-3-09

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  • Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE, pictured below left) plans to offer an amendment to Senator Reid's health care reform legislation (with Stupak-like language) and will vote to block health care reform if the language in the bill regarding abortion isn't changed:
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    "My Senate amendment would ban any public funds from paying for abortions under a new health care reform bill," the Nebraska Democrat said Wednesday.

    The amendment would be among dozens expected to be offered.

    Nelson said he will vote to block the bill if the abortion language in the bill is not changed....

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    According to a National Journal blog, Senator Bob Casey (D-PA, pictured right), isn't sounding as reassuring:

    One of Nelson's anti-abortion colleagues is showing some flexibility on the cloture vote. Sen. Robert Casey, D-Pa., told CongressDaily that the lack of an abortion provision may not prevent him from moving the bill along to a final vote. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., will need both Casey and Nelson to reach the 60-vote threshold to push the bill to a final vote.

  • In the Harvard Crimson, Nicolas Lewine discusses pro-choice complaints against the Stupak amendment:
  • However, let us discuss for the sake of argument the small subset of women for whom the Stupak amendment would make abortions prohibitively expensive. The claim that this fact deprives them of their "right to choose" merits further inspection.

    First, it implies that abortion is the kind of thing that women not only have a right to obtain, but also that they have a right to obtain regardless of whether they can pay for it. To illustrate the difference, this argument likens abortion to the right to an attorney; if you cannot afford one, one will be provided for you. Contrast this with my right to ride the subway--I certainly am entitled to ride the subway however often and for however long I want, but only provided that I can pay for it. In either case, abortion is considered permissible, but only in the former case would the government be right in funding it. The anti-Stupak arguments do not provide any reason why abortion should become one of the former, stronger kinds of rights.


    Comments:

    I hate to say I told you so. (not really)

    Teen boys are twice as likely to recommend abortion than girls.

    http://www.girlscouts.org/news/news_releases/2009/gsri_study_release.asp

    excerpt:

    "The study involved a nationwide survey of 3,263 girls and boys from the third through twelfth grades that queried them on issues ranging from ethics and diversity to civic involvement and peer pressure. The study was conducted with Harris Interactive (formerly Louis Harris Inc., the same firm that worked on the 1989 study).


    The study also uncovered differences among boys and girls. Among teenagers, girls are less likely than boys to say they would have sex (18 percent vs. 38 percent) or advise an abortion (6 percent vs. 12 percent)... "

    Posted by: hippie at December 3, 2009 4:51 PM


    I was talking to a good friend today and he hopes that the Senate don't pass a Pro-life ammendment so the Socialized Health Care Plan dies back in the House.

    He's got a point.

    We have the highest cancer cure rate in the world. Cancer patients in many countries with government-run health care simply die waiting 6-8 months for their turn to get the operations and medicine they desperately need.

    Over the past several years, his wife has worked in two nursing homes (God bless her). The first one was mostly private, very few Medicare patients. She used to complain once in a while that they didn't do things properly like they did in the hospital where she worked before.

    Now she works in a nursing home which is almost exclusively paid for by Medicare. Apparently, it's pretty bad. The only decent care they get is from the compassionate nurses.

    The staff was just informed not to allow the residents to leave for the Holidays because of the loss of Medicare revenue to the facility.

    Medicare is in bad shape. Because we've killed 53 million tax payers, it's only going to get worse.

    And Obama is going to cut Medicare by %500 Billion to pay for his new socialized plan.

    I don't want to sound like an alarmist, but I don't know how else to communicate this potential threat to our senior citizens.

    Could we see our seniors dying at a rate approaching the number we kill in the womb due to a lack of care?

    We really need to pray.

    Posted by: Ed at December 3, 2009 7:07 PM


    Hi Ed. You have got this right. You ain't seen nothing yet just wait until the rationing begins with the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research they are trying to sneak this in. I have a relative who is a M.D. says this will dictate basically what gets paid for and for who. It won't matter what he determines as the best treatment for his patients. Yes we need some healthcare reform but this bill is not about helping the poor, the uninsured and underinsured it is about power, control, the gov't making life and death decisions for American's, socialism, the "New World Order", socialized medicine, rationing, and ABORTION ON DEMAND (if they can possibly ram it down our throats).

    Posted by: Prolifer L at December 4, 2009 1:01 AM


    I urge fellow pro-life Nebraskans to call Senator Nelson and encourage him to stand firm on his commitment to Stupak language and voting against cloture if it is not inserted into the Senate bill. Senator Nelson needs support from all pro-lifers so have at it the rest of the country:
    DC: 202-224-6551 Omaha: 402-391-3411
    Lincoln: 402-441-4600

    Posted by: Julie Schmit-Albin at December 4, 2009 11:02 AM


    We may succeed in keeping our tax dollars from being used to fund abortion. But if this socialized health care is passed, I'm afraid it will be like winning the battle and losing the war:(

    Posted by: Ed at December 4, 2009 11:37 AM


    I agree with you Ed. Can we prolife Christian believers pray that this entire bill will be scrapped? We need to bombard heaven to save our nation. 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray"... We ought to pray for our president to have a Saul of Tarsus experience with the Lord Jesus.

    Posted by: Prolifer L at December 4, 2009 12:37 PM


    Ed, Prolifer L,

    You are right. I'm praying that Congress kills this bill. There are so many more prudent ways we can improve our medical delivery system in this country. We need to let our political leaders that abortion is the tip of the problematic iceberg. (Which, by the way, is not melting.)

    Obama can't even figure out the basic economics on how to best create jobs. Until taxes are reduced (kill the bill, for one) employers won't be able to budget for new employees and unemployment will continue. Is he smarter than a fifth grader?

    Posted by: Janet at December 4, 2009 1:04 PM


    (Which, by the way, is not melting.)

    Posted by: Janet at December 4, 2009 1:04 PM
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    LOL!

    Posted by: Ed at December 4, 2009 3:45 PM