Love story 2008

by Mary Kay Hastings

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Johnny and Mary sittin' in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love,
Then comes marriage,
Then comes a new technology which will allow you to manufacture a baby without ever having to touch each other....

U.K., February 1, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com):

"'Female sperm', 'male eggs' and 'same-sex reproduction' - whether these terms fill you with hope or disgust, a reproductive revolution is already in progress," begins a recent New Scientist report on some of the most bizarre and disturbing scientific research being conducted by stem cell scientists.

Used to be boy meets girl, they fall in love, get married, consummate the marriage, start a family....

In his patent application, Aharonian states, "The present invention includes methods for developing sperm containing a female's chromosomes, or developing eggs containing a male's chromosomes, and the sperm or eggs so produced."

Then it was boy meets girl, consummate relationship, swap phone numbers, kill any family that is started... rinse, repeat.

"In a handful of labs across the world, biologists are trying to make genetically male cells develop into eggs, and female cells into sperm. If successful, their efforts might one day allow lesbian and gay couples to have children that are genetically their own," the report continues.

Now it's boy meets boy, (or girl meets girl), mimic the act of consummation, imitate marriage with a civic union, send in two box tops, some skin cells.... We'll mail you back a bona fide fetus-out -of -the womb, complete with all your own genetic material.... S & H fees may apply.

In his patent application, Aharonian states, "The present invention includes methods for developing sperm containing a female's chromosomes, or developing eggs containing a male's chromosomes, and the sperm or eggs so produced."


Comments:

Oy!

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 10:37 AM


such an effort to create babies when it isn't that difficult to do it the old fashioned way. I don't get it.

Posted by: Hal at February 4, 2008 10:52 AM


The homosexuals can't do it the old-fashioned way, Hal. I think this is another example of the "catering to the needs and wants of the homo community."

Sad, very sad indeed.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 11:01 AM


Right on, Hal.

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at February 4, 2008 11:05 AM


"catering to the needs and wants of the homo community."
Sad, very sad indeed.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 11:01 AM
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Homo-Community?

That comment just makes me SICK to my stomach.

They are not reffered to as the "homo community" Sunshine, they are the GLBT Community; and they should be able to have children as well. One mother and one father does not make a "happy" home for a child or even a healthy one...

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 11:08 AM


How about being able to produce children who won't have the parent carrying a gender-determined genetic malady? Wouldn't that be WONDERFUL!

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 11:15 AM


If she can't call them homos then I don't think they should be able to call themselves Gay.

Posted by: rosie at February 4, 2008 11:19 AM


Hal....for once I am agreeing with you!

I believe this is another attempt to "normalize" the GLBT 'relationships' and make it accepted as mainstream.

NATURE did not intend these "unions" to be "fruitful". Man + Man or even Woman + Woman does NOT bear offsprings.

This "scientist" (or should we just call him Dr. Frankenstein) is playing God.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 11:36 AM


Sorry making you sick to your stomach, midnite. That was not my intention. I was simply abbreviating homosexuals to homo. I got lazy with my typing. Are they not homosexuals?

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 11:37 AM


I see no problem here *shrugs*

Maybe if you people would let them adopt some kids, they wouldn't need this.

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 11:39 AM


Erin,
"need this"???

Posted by: Anonymous at February 4, 2008 11:41 AM


Maybe they wouldn't be forced to find alternatives to adoption to become parents.

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 11:43 AM


Don't kids need a 'stable' family environment so they grow up properly?

Stable meaning a committed Mother and Father rasing the child.

I seem to remember the issue with GLBT "relationships" is that they cannot commit to just one relationship for a long time.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 11:47 AM


I see the straight couples trying a lot harder to have babies by extraordinary means than the gay couples. Gay couples seems to find a way, either through adoption or finding a friend to help out.

My opposition to this is not that it might help gay couples, god bless em, but that it's perceived as a need at all when there are SO MANY babies out there.

Posted by: Hal at February 4, 2008 11:48 AM


Don't kids need a 'stable' family environment so they grow up properly?

Stable meaning a committed Mother and Father rasing the child.
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Having 1 mother and 1 father does not mean that the child will grow up happy or have a healthy home enviornement.

All that means that there is at least 1 of each gender in the household.

Heterosexual men are more likely to sexually abuse their children than a homosexual man.

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 11:54 AM


RSD-

Homosexuals have the same amount of success with long term relationships as straight people.

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 11:56 AM


Sons need fathers. Sons need mothers.
Daughters need mothers. Daughters need fathers.
In the best interest of children, they need a Mom and a Dad. Children do better with a parent of each sex.
My lesbian cousin is on her 4th "marriage" she has two totally messed up daughters.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 12:08 PM


The operative word on the Heterosexual couple statement is: "committed".

Ok Midnnight and Erin..could you cite your source on that (and make sure that it is NOT produced ba a pro-GLBT research facility or person).

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 12:08 PM


http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009805424

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:15 PM


http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSN2140631220080122

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:18 PM


Good job Erin, timely and mainstream research

Posted by: Hal at February 4, 2008 12:18 PM


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-01/apa-elo011708.php

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:20 PM


Grazie, Hal!

Sorry for putting them all in separate posts, I didn't want to wait for a mod to approve it. I'm an impatient little devil.

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:21 PM


The perpetrators of child sexual abuse are overwhelmingly men; very few women are offenders. The abuser is usually a member of the child's family or someone known by the family. Pedophiles, men who have a sexual preference for children, constitute less than 1% of the adult male population. Pedophiles are quite distinct from adult gay men who prefer adult sexual partners. Studies have shown no correlation between a man's sexual orientation and a tendency to sexually abuse children

Homosexual pedophiles are considered a perversion of the normal homosexual man in the same way that heterosexual pedophiles are also a perversion. Heterosexual men are twice as likely to sexually abuse children as homosexual men are. There is solid evidence that over 92% of child abuse cases, including same gender sexual abuse, are perpetrated by heterosexuals.

The number of reported child abuse cases have increased over the past five years. It is crucial that we address the issue of child sexual abuse objectively and recognize that this abuse is occurring behind to many closed doors in so-called traditional family homes.

http://www.mcgill.ca/studenthealth/information/queerhealth/myths/
It's Myth #6. I suggest you read all 11...

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 12:24 PM


Committed and happy. Yes, I am sure there are some gay couples that are. Still not the best place to raise a child.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 12:24 PM


And why not? What, PRECISELY, is so massively important about having a man and a woman as parents?

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:29 PM


"Don't kids need a 'stable' family environment so they grow up properly?"

That is why many people choose abortion as an alternate to bring up a child in an unstable enviorment or leaving them to the foster care system.
So I assume you feel single should have the right to, and be encouraged to, abort?

And one day, years from now, there's going to be a pretty blond girl talking about how people are so cruel and said she shouldn't have been born because it wasn't ideal circumstances. Like the children who are products of rape. Some of them get so upset because people say abortion should be legal in cases of rape. Rape isn't natural either.

And I personally feel same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 12:30 PM


"What, PRECISELY, is so massively important about having a man and a woman as parents"
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Why, it's what NATURE intended, of course.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 12:32 PM


www.family.org/socialissues/A000001142/cfm

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 12:33 PM


And I personally feel same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt.

Jess,

You are allowed an opinion. But I am curious.. Why should homosexual couples not be allowed to adopt?

A person is "not made homosexual". They are born that way.
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In fact, researchers are comming closer to determing which gene is supposed to "cause" a person to be gay. In fact, they have found (in rats) that if a pregant rat is stressed at a certain point in the third month of pregnancy, her rat pups were homsexual. No stress, they were heterosexual.

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 12:35 PM


Homosexuality is natural. Several animal species have homosexuals, and they even sometimes 'adopt' children. It's really quite adorable. I read an article about a couple of gay penguins who took in a baby penguin.

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:36 PM


RSD,

Nature is not always polite.

Have you ever read the case of David Reimer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 12:36 PM


And for those of you who say you need a man and a woman to raise a child, my Grandfather died when my father was fourteen and his brother was seven. Now my Dad and Uncle are wonderful men who have always worked very hard and excelled in school, sports and any extracurricular activities they did. They also each have loving families that they provide for everything we could ever need or want.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 12:37 PM


Erin:

I've read about that. The penguin story just made my heart happy. I love penguins to death; and that story almost made me cry.

I've always wondered why people think homosexuality is not "natural" when apparently their God made them that way??

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 12:38 PM


"You are allowed an opinion. But I am curious.. Why should homosexual couples not be allowed to adopt?"

I don't understand what you're asking I said they SHOULD be allowed to adopt.
"And I personally feel same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt."

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 12:39 PM


Carla- I'm sorry, that link isn't working for me. Try again, maybe? Also, it's from Focus on the Family. I provided unbiased sources- it'd be nice if you could do the same, perhaps citing an APA article or a University study?

Oh...and here it is ^_^

My bad, they were flamingos.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1266787,00.html

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:40 PM


Heeeere we go. This is the penguin story.

You know, someone wrote a kid's book about those penguins and it really ticked off some people.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:43 PM


Erin,
They taped the chick back up inside the egg so the foster parents could hatch it. OMG can you imagine what the chick was thinking!? "Hello World!" *pushes chick back in the egg* "What are you doing to me!?". *Hatches again* "Is you keeping me?"

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 12:47 PM


Lol...yep. Or more appropriately, "Iz u keeping mee?"

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:53 PM


Midnight,

The case of David reimer was an abnormality and whose sex was determined by physicians...not a common occurrence but it does happen naturally.

Jess,

your dad and uncle had a DAD during their formative years...in that short span of time, they were taught how to act properly...that's what helped them grow up properly.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 12:53 PM


All of my sources must be biased then Erin because they will come from those that believe what I believe. I guess you will dismiss them as irrelevant? God made a man named Adam and a woman named Eve.
www.family.org/socialissues/A000001142.cfm
I don't look to the animal world for examples on what seems "ok."

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 12:54 PM


How about single moms, RSD?

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 12:54 PM


"All of my sources must be biased then Erin because they will come from those that believe what I believe."

So I could give you a source that say's Jesus was really a woman and you'd have to take it seriously because it's what I believe?

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 12:59 PM


Jesus wasn't a woman.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 1:00 PM


How do you know? Did you ever meet him?

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:02 PM


or her?

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:02 PM


Carla- even if what that site says is true (it worked this time, thanks), isn't being raised by a gay or lesbian couple better than being thrown around by the foster care system for 18 years?

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 1:03 PM


And..oh, the research you guys cited..although very informative (and promising) is NOT a long term study...it was done for a period of 3 years...

Committed heterosexual relationships (with focus on the family) takes more time than that to raise kids properly. IMO, the GLBT lifestyle is too promiscuous to achieve this level of commitment.

I'll believe their findings if research last at least a decade or more....nothing less.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 1:05 PM


"IMO, the GLBT lifestyle is too promiscuous to achieve this level of commitment."
Do you even know any gay or lesbian people? How do you know?

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:07 PM


And what about EVERYONE who says interracial couples are un-natural and their children grow up confused? Well I know my love is natural and good.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:10 PM


"How about single moms, RSD?"
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Single parenthood is an unfortunate circumstance and should be supported, but bringing in a same-sex partner to help raise the child would be worse.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 1:12 PM


The Bible is my source. Those that believe in the Bible are also sources for me. Focus on the Family for example.
Two equally sad circumstances, Erin. A woman cannot be the father that a boy needs. A man cannot be the mother that a girl needs.
Yes, their are single mothers. Those that have the best interests of their child at heart find mentors of the opposite sex for their child.
If I lost my husband I would sincerely look for Godly men to mentor my 3 boys. If my husband lost me he would find a Godly woman to be there for my daughter.

I disagree on all accounts, on all sources, on all attempts to make homosexuality "normal" and accepted and celebrated.
You cannot legislate acceptance.
But I love you Erin, Jess, and Midnite. All 3 of you are so passionate!!!!
Do you really believe that Jesus was a woman? Even Satan believes that.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 1:14 PM


Sorry.
DO you really believe Jesus was a woman, Jess?

My sons are playing puppy dog at my feet. I can't think. Maybe I should get off this darn computer and play puppy!!! :)

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 1:15 PM


Jess,

I know a few...I don't approve of the lifestyle but they are still friends.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 1:16 PM


Just to clarify, I am not against nor hate GLBT people...it is the "lifestyle" that I abhor.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 1:22 PM


Carla,
Well Jesus could have been a woman. Maybe everything happened like it was supposed to but instead of having a son she had a daughter. And Jesus was just a masculine girl. A boy was a metaphor for leader. It doesn't matter it's not like Jesus had sex or kids.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:23 PM


RSD,
Why would you spend time with people if you don't like their lifestyle? I don't like the lifestyle of drug dealers so I certainly won't hang out with any of them?

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:26 PM


Jess,

I don't. They moved to California.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 1:29 PM


Carla,
How old are your boys? I used to watch a six year old and we would play puppy and mouse. He was the puppy and I was the mouse. I think it's from all the animal planet we watched... it was the only network I'd let him watch. He loved it he wanted to be a vet!

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:29 PM


RSD,
So they're your friends you don't spend time with... ok, yup your friends.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:30 PM


RSD,
At least with them so far away you won't catch AIDS. I hope you never let them use your bathroom.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:31 PM


uh, Jess....SON of God???

Amen, Carla!

IMO, it's just a freaky-wierd lifestyle, one of sexual immorality that just disgusts me to no end. I can't see that changing any time soon. The mere thought of homosexual couples "together" just makes me cringe. To put a child that may not be a homosexual into this type of lifestyle, IMO, is child abuse. This disgust must be in my genes. I guess I was born that way.

Anyhoo, I love them as people. I think the males are quite funny and kind at heart. The females, well, all of the few that I met, well, they seem bitter.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 1:36 PM


Jess,

They were classmates from High School...he was still 'straight' back then. And just because they're out of sight does not mean their friendship no longer means anything....

Is that how you treat YOUR friends? Out of sight, out of mind?

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 1:36 PM


Hey Jess...

How is Smoothie Bottoms?...is he/she adorable? I haven't asked you since you were going to meet him/her!

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 1:38 PM


Hi Jess,
My sons are 10(he's in school)4 and 2. My daughter(she's in school)is 7.
They are all about being lions and tigers and bears oh my! and puppies.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 1:47 PM


RSD,
As long as you still talk to them, but IMO friends support friends lifestyles and love them for who they are, and don't want them to change.

Sunshine,
I hope you don't go around telling gay men you find their lifestyles funny. BTW, my roommate was a lesbian and she was one of my best friends at school. She was also the most caring, honest and sensitive person I knew here. All she wanted was what I wanted, a lover to share your life with, you hopes and dreams, pains and longings.

And Smoothie Bottoms is doing fine! http://ma.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2029147&l=62530&id=45405475
I don't know if this link will work...
But he's having a lot of fun with his Dad, and I talk with him often. My boyfriends so funny, he built him a little wooden house to put in his cage.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:47 PM


It's off to work I go. I'll be back late-ish tonight.

Posted by: Erin at February 4, 2008 1:47 PM


Smoothie Bottoms is on the second page.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:49 PM


Your comments make me cringe Sunshine. Freaky? Did you really just say that? I hope you never have sex unless to have children, because that would be immoral as well.

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 1:50 PM


"RSD,
As long as you still talk to them, but IMO friends support friends lifestyles and love them for who they are, and don't want them to change."
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Jess,
I cannot and will not support immoral behavior and lifestyle...I will still love the person, though.

Posted by: RSD at February 4, 2008 1:52 PM


PeachPit,
Yes, I said freaky. Actually, freaky-wierd. That's the way it is to me. It is my opinion, not a fact. Am I not allowed to have an opinion? I'm sorry it makes you cringe, that was not my intention. Abortion makes me cringe, and not everyone shares my opinion on that, either.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 1:52 PM


Jess,
Smoothie Bottoms is too cute!

I didn't say I think the males lifestyles were funny, I meant that I think that they have a great sense of humor. The few I knew always made me laugh.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 1:54 PM


I hope you never have sex unless to have children, because that would be immoral as well.

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 1:50 PM

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Really? Married couples (monogomous married couples, mind you) can't have sex without it being immoral? That idea is whacked.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 1:57 PM


My only two male friends are gay. They are very kind and understanding, I think they have to be considering what they have to deal with themselves. And neither of them are "promiscuous" or have weird lifestyles. They want what everyone wants, someone to love.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:58 PM


I think she means since you could become pregnant every time you have sex you shouldn't have it unless you want the child you could create.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 1:59 PM


Yeah, but it sounds like you know what goes on beyond closed doors of a gay couple...or maybe it is just your fantasy...what happens that is freaky-wierd?

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 2:00 PM


No, Peach Pit,
It's really not a mystery what goes on behind their closed doors.
The un-natural way they have sex is what I think is freaky-wierd.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:06 PM


Seeing a couple of the same sex kissing (romantically) is freaky-wierd to me, also.

It actually does turn my stomach.

Again, I don't hate them. I love them as people, but do not, in any way, shape or form, even slightly "like" their lifestyle of choice.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:08 PM


Do you think sodomy is a sin? What about oral sex?

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 2:09 PM


"Seeing a couple of the same sex kissing (romantically) is freaky-wierd to me, also."
Is it weird for you to see an interracial couple kissing? What about a big age difference? I'm just wondering...

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 2:11 PM


Sounds like sunshine knows exactly what is freaky-wierd........sunshine knows what gay sex is like...how do you know sunshine, how?

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 2:12 PM


I remember a study done once. Ok. I am the worst at this research and sources stuff. Hats off to you Erin!
The study was done on homosexuals and their upbringing. The findings were that homosexuals grew up in households where one or both parents were distant or abusive. They sought same sex companions out of the pain they felt as children.

Ever heard of Exodus International? For homosexuals who want to leave the lifestyle. Oops sorry. They leave the lifestyle through the power of Jesus Christ. There goes my biased sources again! :O

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 2:12 PM


The three gay friends I have all come from stable homes that seem happy and normal.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 2:15 PM


Peach Pit,
Yes
I'll have to think about that one

Jess,
No
No

PeachPit,
No, I don't know what gay sex is like, I'm not gay. Enlighten me, then, please. What IS gay sex like?

***taking Pepto Bismol now as a preventative***

Carla,
LOL!

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:17 PM


I have a question.
Why is it that a gay person's sexuality is so "out there?" Like in my face? It defines them.
I don't walk around saying I'm Straight! I'm Straight! I sleep with my husband! He's a man!

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 2:20 PM


Jess:
(1)Sorry it took me so long to reply [I had to go to the doctor] & (2) Sorry, I read your post wrong. I thought you said that sam sex couples should not be allowed to adopt.

My brain does not work anymore...
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RSD:

My point in the David Reimer case was this: People are born a certain way, and can not change who they are. David was a male, but raised as a female. The Psychologist who did this (Money) is an idiot, and thought that "nuture" would prevail "nature".

If nurture would have worked, David would have adjusted to life as a female and accepted his sexual identity. He was punished for acting like a boy and rewarded for acting like a female. Classical Condtioning did not seem to help here...

Nature won the battle though. He said before his untimely death: "I always felt as a boy."

Now then: apply this to GLBT people, they know what they're sexual identity is, but they are attracted to the same sex, and have known since birth.

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 2:22 PM


Carla,
I was just thinking (almost) the same thing! I cannot believe that we live in a world where we have to lable ourselves as "straight", like it's part of our identity. I loathe the homosexuals (and Satan) for putting us in this position. What's next, then...I'm straight and only have sex with humans? May God have mercy.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:25 PM


Sunshine,
No to what? You don't think sodomy and oral sex are sins, and/or you don't have a problem with interracial/age dissimilar relationships?
How about you RSD?

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 2:28 PM


Sunshine:

No offense, and I mean this in the nicest way possible; You sound ignorant.

People who are homosexual, have known since birth that they were not attracted to the opposite sex as they should be. They've known for their whole lives that they were attracted to the same sex.'

Some try to be "normal" and have a heterosexual relationship (i.e. Elton John), but it doesnt work.

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 2:28 PM


Jess,
I don't have a problem with interracial/age dissimilar relationships.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:30 PM


Please midnite you don't mean to tell me my children could be gay and have known since they were born.
I am ignorant too.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 2:31 PM


Sunshine,
You don't have to tell people you're straight, just keep having sex with a man and people will put two and two together.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 2:31 PM


Midnite,
You may think I'm ignorant, and that's fine. Like I said, some people think abortion is ok, and I don't.

That being said, I know what God says about it, and I know how Satan deceives people. My belief is that it is not something that is genetic or something that they acquire when they are young. I think it's a total defiance of God, and I'm standing firm on that belief.

I may not be in the majority here, but that doesn't bother me at all. Not many people seem to believe in God here, either.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:33 PM


Sunshine,
Good, because I'm in that kind of relationship and it gets my goat (lol, I love goats) when people say mean things about us.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 2:34 PM


Sunshine, if you don't know what gay sex is then how do you know it is freaky-wierd? I think at this point you like the thought of it and are putting up a little front here.

Carla, your children could be gay. It is not a chosen lifestyle. Your husband could be. Rev. Haggard lived his whole life fighting the feelings. You never know.

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 2:36 PM


Jess,
That's sad. I'm sorry people say mean things about you guys.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:37 PM


PeachPit,
You're really going out on a limb here. I am truly sorry that you cannot understand that there are opinions other than your own that one can have. Sodomy IS freaky wierd and disgustingly sinful.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:39 PM


I didnt say you were ignorant, I said you sound ignorant.

Being GLBT is not an "easy" choice, nor do I know people who want to make their life harder...

People are born that way (whether you chose to belive this or not), people can be born asexual (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/asexual) as well.

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 2:47 PM


midnite,
Thanks for being civil. I guess we chalk this one up to "we can agree to disagree".

:)

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:49 PM


The genie isn't going back in the bottle. Medical knowledge and technology is constantly increasing.

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 2:51 PM


My children are not gay. They are children. The eldest 3(ages 10, 7 and 4)already know that men and women get married and have children. That is all they know, that is what they are taught straight from the Bible. If they CHOOSE a same sex partner later on in life, I will love them no matter what and pray until the day I die that they leave the lifestyle.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 2:52 PM


The genie isn't going back in the bottle. Medical knowledge and technology is constantly increasing.

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 2:51 PM

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And through it all, God is always the same (yesterday, today & tomorrow).

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 2:52 PM


Amen.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 2:55 PM


Sunshine:

I guess we can agree to disagree... And I always try to be civil :-)

Carla:

If children know that they're parents will "frown upon" a homosexual relationship, do you think they will actually tell you?

They will hide their sexual encounters and their lovers from you and your husband. You'll never know the "true" child you claim to love.
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Men and women who feel this way will grow up and marry a person of the opposite sex. They might "love" him or her but they will not be "in love" with him or her (& yes there is HUGE difference).

They will be unhappy, have children with a partner that they tolerate. And eventually the truth will come out and MORE lives will be destroyed than needed to be..

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 2:58 PM


Wow. My life is flashing before my eyes. :)

Please understand. My children know that men cannot be with men and please God. They know that women cannot be with women and please God. My children are being raised to know the God of the Bible. His word is Law. They accept what God has to say about everything.

I do agree that there are people with a same sex attraction and they hide those feelings for years. They marry and have children and then leave it all to pursue their lust.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 3:06 PM


Carla 2:52, well said!

Posted by: Bethany at February 4, 2008 3:09 PM


Carla,
Your kids are very blessed to have such a God-fearing mother.

:)

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 3:09 PM


And what about EVERYONE who says interracial couples are un-natural and their children grow up confused?

Errrr...people are just stupid in that respect really. My child won't grow up confused. She already plays with white and black baby dolls. When she's old enough to understand race, she'll know that she's half black and half white. And VERY lucky to be so..none of that fake-tanning stuff for her. lol.

Jess, are you in an inter-racial relationship? If so, good for you...when I see inter-racial couples/families/kids, it always makes my heart feel all warm and fuzzy. You wouldn't believe some of the crap I've heard from dummies about inter-racial relationships/bi-racial children.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 3:09 PM


Carla:

No offense intended; but what makes you think your children will continue to follow "God's Law" when they are old enough to make their own decisions and think for themselves?

I was raised in a Christian home, and I went to church three times a freaking week until I was 16. Then I realized that I thought (IMO) God was a hypocrite, and I didnt follow his "law" anymore.

Who is to say your children will actually follow these "laws" when they are older?

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 3:16 PM


Elizabeth,
Your little girl is a dolly!! Too cute!
I have never had a problem with interracial couples. My nephew is biracial(is that ok to say?)
So many couples at my church have adopted African American children. I get to play with all of the pumpkins in the nursery.

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 3:17 PM


Carla:

If children know that they're parents will "frown upon" a homosexual relationship, do you think they will actually tell you?

They will hide their sexual encounters and their lovers from you and your husband. You'll never know the "true" child you claim to love

Midnite,

Do not presume to know what it takes to be a parent of 4 children like Carla is or how she devotes herself entirely to them. You do not know Carla's children, and I trust that her and her children have a wonderful relationship from what I've read on her blog. She is a great mother and I know she would support her children no matter what.

Accepting someone and approving of someone's actions are TWO very different concepts. If you are going to be different, then be different, and take what comes with it..which is disapproval and criticism. Not everybody has to like or agree with a homosexual lifestyle. That doesn't mean you can't still love the person. I have a tendency to be more attracted to black men. I know this, my family know this, the world knows this. Some like it, some don't, and some are more voacl about the latter...but I've come to a point in my life where I just don't care. I have come to learn that other people's problems with who I choose to be with are just that, THEIR problem. You can't change them, you can only live your life the best way you know how.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 3:18 PM


My nephew is biracial

Lol, yes carla that is alright to say...and how old is your nephew?

There are people down the street from me who have adopted 2 twin african american little girls. They are the cutest things I've ever seen and I love that race didn't matter to their parents.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 3:20 PM


Elizabeth:

People who think inter-racial relationships are unatural or evil should have their heads examined.

In all honesty, I think bi-racial babies/children/adults are far more attractive than someone who is "pure" (i.e. white/blak/asian whatever).
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Do not presume to know what it takes to be a parent of 4 children like Carla is or how she devotes herself entirely to them. You do not know Carla's children, and I trust that her and her children have a wonderful relationship from what I've read on her blog. She is a great mother and I know she would support her children no matter what.

Jesus,
No I dont know what it is like to be a parent to any child Elizabeth. I probably cant have any, ever. Thanks for reminding me of that though! Oh, while we're touching on my soft spots, let's talk about people DYING in front of you. B/c I am losing my grandfather to lung cancer...

And I guess I can not devote myself entirely to anyone? Is that b/c I am PC, or maybe b/c I dont believe in God? Which is it that MAKES me unable to love or devote myself to anyone entirely?

I also never said I knew her children. I said there could be a possibility. As for a homosexual marrying someone of the opposite sex for appearnaces and "good graces", I guess I can talk about that; I mean I do know a homosexual male who divorced his wife 2 years ago, oh and my bestfriend (that's a guy) is gay, but just got out of a three year relationship with a girl b/c his parents are southern-baptist...

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 3:22 PM


Midnite,
It is this Mommy's fervent prayer and hope that my children will follow God all of their lives. I did not come to Christ until I was 28. I want them to know Him sooner than I did. I trust in God, Midnite. He already knows which path my children will take. It is up to me to raise them the best I know how with His help and I leave the rest to Him. Sorry, I should probably include my husband in this too. :)
I screw up everyday, believe me.

I am sorry you had the experience you had in church. Ugh.

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
Jeremiah 29:11

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 3:24 PM


I have 2 up from naps and 2 about to walk in the door. I must fly. I have enjoyed the afternoon typing away to you!!!
God Bless!

Posted by: Carla at February 4, 2008 3:27 PM


Midnite,

I did not mean to hurt your feelings about having children in any way..but this statement was presumptuous to me:

They will hide their sexual encounters and their lovers from you and your husband. You'll never know the "true" child you claim to love.

This implies that you know about Carla's relationship with her 4 children or how she is as a parent to those children. Loving your children DOES NOT mean liking everything that they do. I LOVE my daughter to death..I do not however like when she: throws her food on the floor, hits the dogs, goes limp when I try to pick her up, doesn't let me help her get dressed because she just HAS to do it herself. But I still love her and I know her. If my daughter were a lesbian, I would love her, but that doesn't mean I have to like her choices in life. You seem to think that love gives one a free pass to do whatever they want and it doesn't. I would always love and accept her with open arms, but I don't have to agree with her decisions.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 3:33 PM


Elizabeth,
Yes I am my boyfriend is Chinese and Thai. I hate it how the first thing most girls say when they see his picture is "Oh I don't like Asian men." I think it's the fact that there really are no positive Asian male role models in the American media. Think of it, when was the last time an Asian man "got the girl" in the end. He would be lucky to get a thank you and peck on the check. And I hate how my RA tries to get so involved in my relationship with him, telling me to bring him to her so she can approve. And she goes around telling people that I have "thing" for Asian guys, like they're cars or purses or something it's disgusting.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 3:34 PM


And I hate how my RA tries to get so involved in my relationship with him, telling me to bring him to her so she can approve. And she goes around telling people that I have "thing" for Asian guys, like they're cars or purses or something it's disgusting.

Aww, Jess...my friends used to say how I have a "thing" for black guys too. I didn't know liking someone of a certain race was having a "thing" for them.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 3:40 PM


And you know Elizabeth, maybe we aren't straight, we just have a thing for MEN.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 3:42 PM


we just have a thing for MEN.

sheesh, I know I sure do..although I don't know many..sadly they are all boys.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 3:44 PM


Elizabeth, Jess...anyone else I may have missed....


It is so sad that prejudicey like that is still around! uggg...

When I was in college (1988 - 1992) I was called a "creeper" because I went out an African American and a guy that was 1/2 Arabic. (I'm Irish and Polish - can't get more white than that!) It was rediculous! They were the nicest guys too. Both times the pressure of social issues broke us up. It just doesn't make sense!

Jess - You got me thinking. The only male Asian celebrities I can think of is Jackie Chan and Jet Li. Have either of them every "got the girl" in the end of the movie if she wasn't Asian too? Of course, does this tell you what kind of movies I used to watch! ;-)

I do have to say that both Jackie Chan and Jet Li are good looking! maybe that is why I watched those movies?????

Posted by: valerie at February 4, 2008 3:48 PM


Is that what that they do? Sodomy? I have no idea, do you Sunshine?

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 3:50 PM


PeachPit,
Enough, already. Get over it.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 3:53 PM


Sunshine, I don't mean to not get over it here, because I'm curious how a non-freaky-wierd homosexual can survive?

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 3:58 PM


peachpit,
Go ask one, then, if there's such thing.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 4:02 PM


I"m asking you sunshine, our homosexual freaky-wierd sodomy expert. Other questions I have for you:
-best lube?
-best position?
-worst position?

You are the expert. Ever think that someone what you do behind closed doors is freaky-wierd?

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 4:22 PM


Sorry, ever think that someone thinks what you do behind closed doors is freaky-wierd?

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 4:23 PM



Heterosexual men are more likely to sexually abuse their children than a homosexual man.

Posted by: midnite678 at February 4, 2008 11:54 AM

Bucket of duh.

In general homosexual men don't have kids.

A few (very few) adopt and a few discover or admit they are gay after they have kids.

If you have no kids, you can't abuse.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 4, 2008 6:13 PM


Sorry, ever think that someone thinks what you do behind closed doors is freaky-wierd?

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 4:23 PM

Ever think they don't know and don't care?

Posted by: hippie at February 4, 2008 6:14 PM


midnite,

Very sorry to hear of your grandfather.

Plenty of people have been told they can't have kids and then surprise, they sure can.

I am sure you are a wonderful lovable person, you just may have not found someone to appreciate you yet.

Keep your chin up.

Posted by: hippie at February 4, 2008 6:22 PM


Personally, I don't like sodomy and have no clue why anyone would want it. But if you do like it, more power to you.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 6:24 PM


hippie and midnite,
It's funny you should be talking about this, my friend and I were just discussing it. He was telling me that he was afraid he would never meet the right man because he's 22. I'm like, you're 22, you have decades of dating ahead of you. The oldest person to marry was like, 103. There's someone out there for everyone (except people like Scott Peterson).

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 6:31 PM


*twitch*

I am not going to say anything out of respect for the other posters on this board because:

a) What I will say will cause my post to be deleted due to my wonderfully multi-colored vocabulary

b) It would be rude.

*walks away, breathing deeply...trying not to yank out hair*

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 7:19 PM


There's someone out there for everyone (except people like Scott Peterson).

Lol, Jess..you'd be SHOCKED at the number of letters Scott Peterson actually receives from women who would like to date him.

It's sad, really.

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If you have no kids, you can't abuse.

Anon,

WHAT? really? So only children get molested by their parents? Not really..they get molested by teachers, coaches, neighbors, etc.

Most parents who do the molesting are typically step-parents. I haven't typically heard of biological fathers doing a whole lot of molesting but I'm sure it does happen.

I remember watching a case on Law & Order:SVU where the pedophile looked at molesting as just a different type of romantic relationship. Kind of like the way society looked/looks at inter-racial dating or homosexuality. Like eventually, people would just accept adult/child relationships. It was pretty sick. But I am sure that some pedophiles interpret their "love" for children as such. They're just misunderstood. Ick.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 7:22 PM


Oh no Elizabeth I didn't say no one would be with him, just that they shouldn't.

Rae I hope it wasn't anything I said.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 7:26 PM


I don't think a child under say, 15 is able to really grasp the concept of what a sexual relationship means and therefore can not give consent and should not be having sex. Just like an animal can't consent to sex with a human, so humans shouldn't have sex with animals.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 7:28 PM


Jess,

I watched this whole episode on maybe E or something about women who purposely seek out incarcerated males looking for a relationship. It was..well to say the least...odd.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 7:33 PM


Excellent analogy, Jess!

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 7:35 PM


@Jess: No, it was nothing you said. I agree with most of what you were saying.

I am totally with you, Midnite, and Erin on this one.

*twitch*

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 7:39 PM


"You! Get away from that puppy!
*turns on garden hose*

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 7:45 PM


Is it truly just an absolute shock to you liberals that some people will never get over the disgust of a homosexual relationship? I just can't understand why you guys EXPECT everyone to ACCEPT this nonsense.

Here's reality: Many people do not accept homosexual relationships. That being said, VERY FEW people do not accept the homosexual as an individual. Love the sinner, hate the sin, you know?

Some people REFUSE to conform to worldly ways. They stand strong in their faith in God and His word and the morals (family values) that have been passed down throughout the generations.

I have not met ONE PARENT yet, that hopes her child becomes a homosexual, or braggs to everyone he/she know that her child is one.

Why is this point of view so difficult for some of you to understand?

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 7:49 PM


Sunshine, what did your 7:49pm post have to do with, well, anything?

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 7:57 PM


@Sunshine: It's difficult to "understand" because it's BULL. You do not "love the sinner, hate the sin". That concept is also BULL. You cannot hate somebody's actions yet love that person. I can't imagine ANY of you loving your son or daughter or brother or sister if they became an abortionist (of course, becoming an abortionist is actually a choice...homosexuality isn't).

I don't see it as "worldly" and I think it's condescending of you to say that. Just because you believe in "God" and follow "God's" "Laws" does NOT make you a good or even moral person.

Last I checked, intolerance was NOT a family value (Oh, but wait, it's not intolerance...it's showing them the way to the Lord...boo-hiss to that)!

That may be your reality, but thankfully, it sure as hell isn't mine.

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 7:58 PM


There are PLENTY of parents who are PROUD their son or daughter has come out, not to mention how proud they feel that their son/daughter felt comfortable enough to TELL them, something many don't do out of fear.

As for "hoping" I wouldn't either, I would hate for my son or daughter to be treated like dirt or discriminated against because of something like their sexuality, but if that's how they feel it's how they feel, and NOTHING will change that, or make me love them any less.

"Some people REFUSE to conform to worldly ways. They stand strong in their faith in God and His word and the morals (family values) that have been passed down throughout the generations."

You mean they listen to a book INSPIRED by God and WRITTEN by MAN. I stand stong in MY faith in God, and how I feel I understand what smidge I can. God or His word simply cannot be completely understood. If it could it would not be Divine now would it, because itd be in full range of human understanding. That, yet again, is another qualm I have with Catholicism and Christianity in general. The Bible is NOT infallible, it's a GUIDE, nothing is guaranteed by any stretch, no matter what verses you may pull to say otherwise. In the end its up to HIM not the book.

Also, something being passed on for generations does NOT mean its right. Look at some of them, slavery, interracial marriage bans, poll tax, property requirements to VOTE, denial of suffrage to various groups, etc and so on. To cite tradition is absolutely ridiculous.


The world is better with more love in it, why is that point of view so difficult for you to understand?

Posted by: Dan at February 4, 2008 8:01 PM


Personally, I don't like sodomy and have no clue why anyone would want it. But if you do like it, more power to you.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 6:24 PM
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You do know that the definition of sodomy includes oral sex?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 8:07 PM


Really?
Ok, I don't like anal sex and don't really know why anyone would want to do it.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 8:25 PM


Last I checked, intolerance was NOT a family value (Oh, but wait, it's not intolerance...it's showing them the way to the Lord...boo-hiss to that)!
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If anyone is interested in "following the Lord," they know where to look him up. He's in the yellow pages. No one needs you to "show them the way."

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 8:28 PM


Rae "It's difficult to "understand" because it's BULL. You do not "love the sinner, hate the sin". That concept is also BULL. You cannot hate somebody's actions yet love that person."

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Uh, yes I do,
no it isn't
and yes I can.
Been there, done that. Many more times than you know or could imagine.

Rae "I don't see it as "worldly" and I think it's condescending of you to say that. Just because you believe in "God" and follow "God's" "Laws" does NOT make you a good or even moral person."

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uh, of course you don't, doesn't surprise me. No it's not, it's an opinion
and yes it does.


Rae "Last I checked, intolerance was NOT a family value (Oh, but wait, it's not intolerance...it's showing them the way to the Lord...boo-hiss to that)!

That may be your reality, but thankfully, it sure as hell isn't mine."
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Not intolerance, it's the family unit as GOD intended. I don't condone homosexuality.

Who are you thankful to?


Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 8:33 PM


Sunshine:"""I have not met ONE PARENT yet, that hopes her child becomes a homosexual, or braggs to everyone he/she know that her child is one.

Why is this point of view so difficult for some of you to understand?""""

***********

Well no effing duh, Sunshine. With people like you in the world, lambasting homosexuals with your opinions on their "sinful" lifestyles, no one WANTS their kid to have to put up with that. As far as I know, most people want their kids to have the easiest shot at life as possible. I'm sure if homosexuals had a CHOICE about how they felt, they wouldn't want to be who they are, because of the hatred, bigotry, and violence aimed at them because of something, in all likelihood, they can't control. No parent WANTS his or her child to deal with that type of horror. It's hard enough in this world without abject hatred. I can't imagine what it would be like for any child of yours to have to live with knowing that his or her innermost feelings would always come second-fiddle to his or her parent's prejudices.

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 8:37 PM


No, morality is not absolute, its an obviously incredibly grey and subjective area. Christians (depending upon the translation) believe killing is a sin, yet fighting in war is perfectly acceptable, as is self defense. There is no "absolute" in terms of morality.


As for this "family unit" I call bull again. I am happy with my life. I'm glad my parents split up, or else I would've lived in a personal hell for longer than necessary. I'm glad that my father ended up having to get divorced again because the woman was completely different than she had seemed for the whole period they dated. I'm glad my parents are single, and I'm damn proud I was raised by two seperated parents. I've seen things from multiple angles and understand the world in a much broader light than I feel I would have otherwise. To claim there is only one effective, amazing, all-star performing family unit is absolutely ludicrous.

Posted by: Dan at February 4, 2008 8:40 PM


I'm not thankful to "anybody". It's a figure of speech, not a genuine gratefulness to something or someone. I should have said "but fortunately it sure as hell isn't mine."

And no, you can't hate the sin but love the sinner. It doesn't work. You don't love abortionists because of their actions/sins. A person is DEFINED by their actions. If you don't approve of their actions, you DON'T approve of them. If you HATE somebody's actions, you HATE that part of them.

And quite frankly, I don't care what "God" intended. I don't believe "he" exists. So what "God" wants or thinks is irrelevant.

"uh, of course you don't, doesn't surprise me."
Well whoot-whoot for more "Holier than Thou" condescension.

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 8:43 PM


Lyssie,
Yeah, sure. That's the reason. I see. Only people's opinions that support and condone the homosexual lifestyle are allowed. What world do you live in?

Let's take a poll. How many parents would just love to see their kids find a same-sex person of their dreams RATHER than one of the opposite sex?
Show of hands...
hello...
hello???
anyone out there?

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 8:44 PM


Not intolerance, it's the family unit as GOD intended. I don't condone homosexuality.

I swear you're going to give me a heart attack or a stroke before the night is over...

You keep actling like being homosexual is a choice. No one wakes up and says "Hey I think I'll be gay today! Maybe someone will beat the shit out of me, and put me in the hospital (or even kill me). I want people to JUDGE me based on my sexual orientation, and I cant wait for people to ASSUME I have AIDS"..

They're just wishing for their life to be more difficult than it already is....

Please GET A GRIP SUNSHINE!!!

People are born either heterosexual or homosexual. Your "God" made them that way. And dont give me this shit out about Satan is doing it... It's total B.S. A baby is innocent and supposed to have a "clean slate" at birth. Or is this God you worship vengeful and punishing said child for something his/her parents did?

You go ask ANY homosexual person and ask them when they realized they were gay. Their answers will all be the same: "I've known for as long as I can remember". They were not "made" gay nor did they "chose" be gay.

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 8:46 PM


Again, Sunshine, you act as if it's all about the parents' happiness. That's NOT the point. I want my kids to be happy, so I don't HAVE a rather in that sense. My RATHER comes into play in that I'd RATHER not have my child be discriminated against and hated because of something he or she can't control....namely other people's bigotry. I would RATHER my child be straight for that reason and that reason only. It's not about MY happiness, it's about my child's. In a perfect world, there would be no rather. I wouldn't have to raise my hand either way because both ways would allow my child to be safe, happy, and with a person he or she loves without fear of hatred or reprisal. Have your opinion, but it's when your thoughts radicalize that homosexuals need to fear for their safety.

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 8:49 PM


@Sunshine: I wouldn't care if my future kids would fall in love with somebody of the same or opposite sex. All that matters is that they are in an equal, loving, supportive, and stable relationship.

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 8:49 PM


Let's take a poll. How many parents would just love to see their kids find a same-sex person of their dreams RATHER than one of the opposite sex?
Show of hands...
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You should always be thrilled when your kids are happy.
Maybe you should give a little more thought to what goes on in the heart and mind, and a little less thought to crotch.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 8:49 PM


Let's take a poll. How many parents would just love to see their kids find a same-sex person of their dreams RATHER than one of the opposite sex?
Show of hands...
hello...
hello???
anyone out there?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
::RAISES HAND::

I dont care if my child (if I have any) is homosexual or not. As long as they are happy, and find someone who loves them for who they are.

I dont care what religion said partner is, nor do I care what color their skin is.

All a parent wants is for their child to be happy. Or is this another lie right up there with santa and god?

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 8:51 PM


Not intolerance, it's the family unit as GOD intended. I don't condone homosexuality.
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I'm sure Gay America places enormous value on your opinion.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 8:51 PM


If anyone needs to know anything about homossexual sex, check in with sunshine, our local expert on homosexual sex. It knows all about the freaky-wierd stuff!

Posted by: PeachPit at February 4, 2008 8:52 PM


Rae,
YES! I CAN love the sinner. For the love of God, Rae, is in me.

If an abortionist was driving in front of me, and I knew he/she was an abortionist, and their car veered out of control and hit a pole. There is no one around but me and the abortionist. I would do absolutely EVERYTHING in my power to save him/her. That is love, Rae. I would NEVER walk away. I would ALWAYS help someone in need no matter what walk of life they come from. Yes, even a homosexual.

I understand that concept is hard for you to grasp, but it's true.

And just for the record, I do not see myself as being even close to being "holier than Thou". However, the closer I get to Thou, the more I feel His holiness.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 8:52 PM


@Midnight: What!? You mean Santa isn't real!? NOOOOOOOO!!!!

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 8:52 PM


Lyssie,
My thoughts DO NOT radicalize.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 8:54 PM


You know, Rae...."Santa" is just "Satan" with his letters mixed up. *giggle*


Christmas presents are TEH DEVIL!!!!

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 8:54 PM


Sunshine:

While I am at it:

If homosexuality is such a "dirty little sin", why are more religions and churches teaching their congregation to try and accept their lifestyle? Or BETTER YET; why are they letting gay men become preachers, or throwing a "Gay and Lesbian Day" at Walt Disney each year?

People and opinions change over time. And your's is still in the middle ages apparently

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 8:54 PM


FF,
I really don't care either way.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 8:55 PM


Ok, the poll was intended for actual parents of actual children. None of you who answered are parents.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 8:56 PM


No one wakes up and says "Hey I think I'll be gay today!
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I did once, but Mike bought me new tires and I reverted right back.
I can be HAD for a set of Uniroyals...

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 8:56 PM


**Gigglefit**
Thanks for the laugh Lyssie, I needed it.

Rae;
Iz sorry for bursting yourz Santaz bubblez... I'll make it up to you though :-)

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 8:56 PM


Sunshine: Well that's nice....would you still advocate sending gay people to your God camps to "help them see the light" and suddenly become attracted to members of the opposite sex? You're sitting here saying that you outright oppose the idea that they're born the way they are, but if you're wrong...what happens then? How do you change the way a person is born?

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 8:57 PM


Sunshine:

So even though I am a female, and want children, my opinion DOES NOT COUNT?

Thanks alot. Hey maybe you missed my post from earlier, but I probably cant have children, so I guess my OPINION WILL NEVER MATTER TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU

You know, the more I talk to you, the more I realize why I left church, and why I wont go back...

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 8:58 PM


midnite,
funny you should ask. God warned about so-called religions conforming to worldy views in the end times.

And, with all due respect, I don't believe that homosexuality is genetic.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 8:58 PM


No one wakes up and says "Hey I think I'll be gay today!
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I did once, but Mike bought me new tires and I reverted right back.
I can be HAD for a set of Uniroyals...

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 8:56 PM
____________________________
That is FREAKING hilarious....

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 8:59 PM


@Sunshine: I'm, sorry but I don't believe you, not from the way you've been posting.

However, I have to say I have been posting in a less than civil manner, and I would like to apologize for attacking. This kind of stuff *always* gets me overly worked up and makes me so angry I can't see straight. I was wrong for being snarky and well...it's another word for a female dog...

I am just going to drop it and just agree to virulently disagree.

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 9:00 PM


Sunshine: Then why even pose the question? You know we're not parents, so why bother? You want to ask us a question, and didn't like the answer, so you go and change it around to make it sound like we weren't supposed to answer. Good job. Too bad I didn't fall for it...

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 9:01 PM


Well that's nice....would you still advocate sending gay people to your God camps to "help them see the light" and suddenly become attracted to members of the opposite sex?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HEY!
Don't you remember when Ted Haggard went to Dr. Dobson's three-week "Homo No 'Mo" camp?
That must have worked!

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 9:01 PM


Sunshine:

I never said I believed homosexuality was gene related. I was simply telling you about a study I read about.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASo what? The end of the world is near? Thank god I had sex already. I'd be very pissy if I died a virgin...

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 9:02 PM


midnite,
Honestly, that line is so used up. You left the church and it was your decision. No one can force you to loose your faith in God. That's a choice only you can make.

And you're wrong, midnite, I do care about you. I didn't direct that to you individually, but the answered group in whole.

Anyway, I was thinking about you on my long drive today, and I have a piece of paper taped on a wall. When I looked at it, I thought that I needed to share it with you, so here goes:

"Don't be sad about the things that you want and don't get.

Think about all of the things that you don't want and don't get."


For what it's worth, I hope that helps.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:03 PM


@Sunshine: Funny, as most of the people on here who actually ARE parents agree with you already.

Considering this is a VERY socially conservative blog, I doubt you'll get a really valid random "sample" for your little "poll".

Sue me for being 20 and a virgin, therefore having no chitlins...

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 9:05 PM


Rae,
Thank you & I accept your apology. If I seemed snippy or the female dog word, I apologize also.

You've got to stand for something in life. Call me stubborn, but I don't waiver in my beliefs. It's who I am. Disappointing to some, but I'm only looking towards how God judges me. If I'm wrong, I pray that He shows me the truth.

Thanks again!

:)

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:08 PM


Ah, yes...FF, three weeks and you'll be back to getting erections from seeing the "subordinate" and "weaker" sex. Men are supposed to want to dominate and take the lead over women...I guess Ted Haggard realized that his life would be oh so much better if he had a woman submitting to him. YAY! "Come to our camp for the fallen Christian!! Christian Domestic Discipline and Female Subjugation classes offerred free at "God Camp" for all those interested in turning from their sinful ways!! LEARN TO BE A REAL MAN...beat your wife the CHRISTIAN way!! Because, why feel things for other men when it's easier to beat on a woman?! Be GODLY!!!"

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 9:09 PM


Lyssie,
There are MANY parents on this site. That poll question did not just go out to you, it went out to anyone that wanted to chime in. Are you disappointed that not one parent did?

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:09 PM


Sunshine, people have been saying it is the "end of time" since Jesus died. You saying it now doesn't change a thing. You can believe it is the end of time whenever you so choose, just dont say exactly when or your likely to get shown up like that group back in the 17or 1800s.


Religion is all man made, it cannot be depended upon. Although "inspired," the choice is for ones self to decide out of ALL the writings and ALL the thoughts and ALL of YOUR thoughts. Your beliefs should come from that, not what is dictated/taught to you your whole life. It is not truly a belief in the "correct" or "right" ideas. It is what YOU see to be right or wrong, no one just has the gall to say so when it comes to a collective church. A church can misguide very easily if it so chooses. HM (from what I can gather) believes the Catholic Church is doing just that. The Catholic Church views protestants as misguided, etc and so on throughout the circle. To put all your stock on what you are essentially TOLD is right and wrong is ridiculous. He gave us a conscience for a reason. Think for yourself about what is right and wrong, not what you have been conditioned to believe.


And I found this quote, and absolutely love it:

Religion is for people who are afraid of going to Hell. Spirituality is for people who've been there.

Posted by: Dan at February 4, 2008 9:09 PM


My children are not gay. They are children. The eldest 3(ages 10, 7 and 4)already know that men and women get married and have children. That is all they know, that is what they are taught straight from the Bible. If they CHOOSE a same sex partner later on in life, I will love them no matter what and pray until the day I die that they leave the lifestyle.

Carla, it's not a "choice," there. People are born in certain ways. A cousin of my mom's, who grew up among Quakers, found that it didn't suit her needs, and eventually became evangelical Christian. She had three boys and a girl. One of the boys was openly gay after about age 20, and the other one, after being married to a woman and having two kids, ended up leaving them for a guy. It was rough on the mother.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 9:12 PM


Religion is for people who are afraid of going to Hell. Spirituality is for people who've been there.

Posted by: Dan at February 4, 2008 9:09 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I may have to have that tattooed somewhere.
Thank you.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 4, 2008 9:15 PM


As for this "family unit" I call bull again. I am happy with my life. I'm glad my parents split up, or else I would've lived in a personal hell for longer than necessary. I'm glad that my father ended up having to get divorced again because the woman was completely different than she had seemed for the whole period they dated. I'm glad my parents are single, and I'm damn proud I was raised by two seperated parents. I've seen things from multiple angles and understand the world in a much broader light than I feel I would have otherwise. To claim there is only one effective, amazing, all-star performing family unit is absolutely ludicrous.

Dan, very well said. My mom and dad got divorced in 1975, when I was 16. We kids never thought that our family would have a divorce; just our perception. It was not a big deal for me and the next younger boy, but for our youngest brother and our sister, and out step-mom's boy, it was somewhat tough for a while.

After a couple years, all had sorted out, and everybody was happier. My mom and step-mom even went to a weeklong religious conference together, for a week, 7 years later.

All this dogmatic baloney goes out the window when the real world is considered.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 9:16 PM


Sunshine, Im fairly sure the point was is you're most likely only going to get conservative parents and thus not have a fair "sampling."

I've gotten to the point where I dont think faith in God is completely a choice either. What you see, feel, hear, etc influences you and how you think. I have seen many of my friends become atheists because of things that have happened to them. I am actually one of the few among my friends who does have an unshakable faith in God. I however, do not fit in with the majority of those who feel that way. I dont believe the Bible is the end-all-be-all in truth or morality. I don't think the church has any more true understanding of the scripture than any one else, they've simply looked at it longer. Anyone can do what a clergy member does. Anyone and everyone has that capability.

I am my own person, I have left the Church (and I feel with good reason). I pray for some of His wisdom and His guidance each and every night. That still doesnt make me any better than anyone else. I am in the same boat as everyone, whether they pray or not, believe, or not, etc. I am dependent upon His will. There have been nights where I do worry that the interpretation of the Church or the fundamental Christians is correct, at which point I offer myself in place of those people whom the Church believes to be damned. I cannot stand for that kind of "justice." It is not justice at all.

And now I've been rambling and I dont even know if this makes sense, or if I was trying to prove something or not so I'm just gunna post it.

Posted by: Dan at February 4, 2008 9:18 PM


midnite,
Honestly, that line is so used up. You left the church and it was your decision. No one can force you to loose your faith in God. That's a choice only you can make.

Oh OK, so are you implying that I am lying? PLEASE come walk in my shoes for a week And tell me that again. You dont know shit about my life or how these other people acted and made me REALIZE they're a bunch of hypocrites. You DO NOT know me or what I 've dealt with in my life time. So please DONT GO THERE WITH ME....

"Don't be sad about the things that you want and don't get. Think about all of the things that you don't want and don't get."

OK; If I want something REALLY REALLY bad, I find a way to get it (legally and morally [although we dont have the same morals]). If I cant find a way to get it, then it was not meant to be, and I am not sad about it. And if I dont want something, why the hell would I care if I didnt get it? That makes no damn sense Sunshine.

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 9:18 PM


Dan, "To put all your stock on what you are essentially TOLD is right and wrong is ridiculous. He gave us a conscience for a reason. Think for yourself about what is right and wrong, not what you have been conditioned to believe."
---
Very well said, Dan.

I'm almost 40 yrs. old, and have done plenty of thinking on my own. When I was younger, I condoned ALOT more things than I do today. Ways of thinking, at least for me, change over time. Yes, my parents planted the seeds, but I have learned, through the Holy Spirit and the Grace of God, and His word, and MANY lifetime experiences where my beliefs lie today.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:19 PM


Now...Sunshine...don't make me giggle any harder than I already am. You DO realize that the vast majority of the parents on here are severely right-wing conservatives who feel damn near the exact way you do in reference to the Biblical ideas of sexual orientation? Am I not right? I'm not disappointed...I agree with Rae that your sampling pool is a little more than biased.

But if I WAS a parent, I would be perfectly effing happy to support and protect any and all gay children I'd have. It's my JOB, my DUTY, as a parent, to love them no matter what, and to see to their happiness. Telling them that they'd be happier with someone they'll never be attracted to, or telling them that they're on a straight track to hell for their love....well, I'd be a really shitty parent if I did that. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 9:20 PM


Dan,

That quote is fabulous!!

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 9:25 PM


Midnite,
I'm sorry those people were hypocrites. You sound very angry. You're right, I don't know what happened to you, but it's not God's fault. People suck. Well, alot of them do.

The saying that I posted was more about all of the things that you don't want and don't get. Did you ever see a really sad story on the news, or see someone so badly injured or disfigured that you think "wow, I know I've got problems, but WOW..it could be so much worse!" That's kindof what it meant. There's gotta be a whole bunch of stuff that you would never wish upon yourself that you don't have, right? I'm not trivializing anything going on with you right now, but some things we just can't do anything about. It's just the way it is. Victim or victor. Sometimes you've just gotta make that choice.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:26 PM


Lyssie,
Of course I would still love my child if he/she were a homosexual. It doesn't mean that I would condone his/her lifestyle, though. The question, is would I WANT my son/daughter to be a homosexual? Would you WANT your son/daughter to be a homosexual or straight? Hypothetical. You can only pick one.

I think you will make a GREAT parent!

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:29 PM


@Sunshine: I'd want my kids to be gay then. That way I won't have to worry about my girls getting knocked up in high school and I won't have to worry about my boys knocking somebody up while in high school.

Plus, gay men have great fashion sense. :-p

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 9:32 PM


Sunshine...that's the VERY EXACT POINT I'm trying to make. WHY SHOULD IT BE WHAT A PARENT WANTS? WHY IS THERE A "BETTER" WAY? That's the whole point...my side believes one is no better than the other...it's all about PERSONAL happiness with people you love and are attracted to. It's like asking if I'd rather have a child with blonde hair or brown hair...It's not an issue, and it doesn't matter to me. Saying "Oh, I'd rather have my child be this way or that way" is insulting. I can't answer that question because in a world without prejudices, I would have no preference. My preference is that my child be happy and loved. Period.

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 9:34 PM


Rae, you crack me up! I guess that's one way to look at it! LOL

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:34 PM


For everyone:

I highly recomend you watch this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7RoRLORP9U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwdjZ5pDws

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 9:36 PM


....Although Rae does have a point....I can be sure that my boys, if gay, would be able to dress themselves in the morning....

Posted by: Lyssie at February 4, 2008 9:37 PM


I think a lot of religious people of a certain bent get on the cases of gay people because they've been exposed to the rantings of prejudiced individuals from pulpits, etc.

When you actually know gay people and couples, raising kids or not, it's a whole different deal.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 9:39 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwdjZ5pDws

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 9:40 PM


Lyssie,
The poll was in response to your posts that I assumed stated that the only reason why parents don't want their kids to be homosexuals was out of fear of the way "people like me think".

I still think it's because parents simply don't want their children to be homosexuals because of its immoral nature and its going against the family values that parents have tried to instill in their children. Well, most at least, hence the poll.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:41 PM


@Lyssie: Indeed.

@Sunshine: Well, I was being a little sarcastic, but I second what Lyssie said, I really wouldn't care, as it's not about what makes me happy, but what makes my [future] kids happy.

Though for the record, I'm kind of in Midnite's boat in that there is a high probability I can't have kids either (though for different reasons). Familial infertility for the lose...

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 9:41 PM


Doug,
I'm sure that is where alot of it may come from. Me, however, it's a no. It's written in scripture, and that's where I get it from.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 4, 2008 9:43 PM


Ah, Rae, you're still young! You never know what can happen between now and what, 10, 20 yrs. from now? Trust me. I remember the Commodore 64 (sp?). Computers have come A LONG way in such a short time, and so do medical advances. Never give up hope!

Posted by: AB Laura at February 4, 2008 9:45 PM


"I still think it's because parents simply don't want their children to be homosexuals because of its immoral nature and its going against the family values that parents have tried to instill in their children. Well, most at least, hence the poll."

And your thoughts will be reiterated on this particular blog as darn near everybody on this blog is also a social conservative.

If you posed this question on a more liberal blog you'd probably get the same answers Lyssie, Midnite, and I have given you...that we don't care, but it's damned hard being gay in our country (regardless what some folks on here would say...) due to discrimination (again, regardless what some folks on here would say) and nobody wants their child to suffer that.

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 9:46 PM


Guys, it's been fun. But now I'm gonna go. God bless each & every one of you & yes...you are ALL in my prayers!!!

-Laura

Posted by: Anonymous at February 4, 2008 9:47 PM


http://youtube.com/watch?v=zFO2mVmcfQo&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ui4c4nQyiNc&feature=related

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 9:48 PM


@AB Laura: Ah-ha! You're back!

You know, my mom was about my age when she got hitched and tried havin' babies 25 years ago...no go. She was married 6 years before she got pregnant with a pregnancy that didn't miscarry and that was due to IVF and very unpleasant progesterone shots.

I'm essentially infertile if I don't have fertility treatments. And I don't want fertility treatments, they can *really* mess you up, and I have my own theories that they mess up your progeny as well (which they do...my grandmother was on fertility medications during her pregnancies with her kids, and all of them have messed up teeth from the medication).

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 9:48 PM


@AB Laura: And why would I get pregnant 10-20 years from now? I'll be 30-40 years old. What about all those studies about the risks of trying to have chitlin that late in life?

Posted by: Rae at February 4, 2008 9:49 PM


PLEASE come walk in my shoes for a week And tell me that again. You don't know shit about my life or how these other people acted and made me REALIZE they're a bunch of hypocrites. You DO NOT know me or what I 've dealt with in my life time. So please DONT GO THERE WITH ME....

Midnite, here's to trying on your shoes. Here's to you putting yourself out there, "here," for us to see. Here's to the many people that see you and care about you.

Here's to you being happy.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 9:49 PM


http://youtube.com/watch?v=c3zEraHgfO4
better

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 10:01 PM


Doug:

I've always liked you
::wink::

Posted by: midnite678 Author Profile Page at February 4, 2008 10:02 PM


WHY SHOULD IT BE WHAT A PARENT WANTS?

Lyssie,

I think you may be misunderstanding what Sunshine is trying to say. As a parent, you want your child to have the easiest ride in this life. You don't want them to know pain or sadness. This of course is an ideal that many parents know can not be reached because with life comes many trials and tribulations. But as a parent, you want your child to be smart, make positive decisions, and fulfill their potential in life. When you hold that little baby in your arms, you can see a life full of possibilities because they REALLY can be anything at this point. With homosexuality, there IS a stigma placed on the person by society that can take a toll on them whether the parents are supportive or not. (Of course, I am sure it is somewhat less if the parents are truly supportive) No parent really wants their child to have to suffer that kind of pain that can come with being homosexual in a society that does not totally accept this lifestyle.

It took me a LONG time to get over the social stigma placed on me for my penchant for inter-racial relationships. I have really gotten to a point where I accept that people's problems with who I date are really just that: THEIR problems. Some people have harder times dealing with it and it can really ruin their life. No parent wants to see their child go through that kind of pain.

With all that being said, I would do everything in my power to stand behind my daughter if she told me she were a lesbian or flat out told me she wasn't sure about her sexual orientation. I know that it makes life a ton harder on the person when even their parents won't attempt to understand them. She's my daughter, I will support her as long as she is remaining true to herself and not engaging in reckless behavior. It is my job in this life to love and protect her to the best of my ability and I will do so, no matter who she ends up being. My love for her is not dependent on her being exactly who I want her to be.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 10:20 PM


Ha! 'Dogma' is an all-conquering movie.

The "Rice Kreepies" reminds me of "Wacky Packages," something from my childhood.

Here's one:

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 10:23 PM


Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 10:27 PM


Elizabeth,
I know right? Most people don't even try to understand a different relationship from their own.

Midnite,
Don't listen to anyone who says you're less then the best because you can't have kids. You are a wonderful loving person with an amazing capacity to empathize with others.

Posted by: Jess at February 4, 2008 10:28 PM


Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 10:30 PM


Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 10:35 PM


Well, Jess...I do understand about different relationships. My parents weren't so approving of the people I chose to date and it caused a lot of conflict. I always thought it was about race, but it was really about them being total losers. Which they were. My parents are like..well if you brought a guy like Will Smith home..we'd be cool with it. I always was into the bad boys though...and you don't get much badder than baggy pants gang-bangers. I was such a bad girl back in the day lol.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 10:37 PM



I thought 'Deep Throat' was a movie about a giraffe. - Bob Hope

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 10:42 PM


Elizabeth, you're right, baggy pants is pretty bad.

Posted by: Doug at February 4, 2008 10:44 PM


Lol, Doug...you have no idea..that wasn't even the worst. In Decatur, they have a store called U-Top...weaves..gold teeth..big chains..it was baaaad. Ghetto fabulous.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 4, 2008 10:47 PM


Come soon Lord Jesus!

Posted by: HisMan at February 4, 2008 11:40 PM


Elizabeth:

The most important thing a parent can do for a child is lead them to Jesus Christ.

I can't think of a more terrible tragedy than to lose an unsaved child.

Posted by: HisMan at February 4, 2008 11:55 PM


Ah, the old debates. Good times.

Believe what you will, I can't understand the ability to have friends you are completely disgusted with. If what someone I know does makes me wanna puke when I see them, I probably wouldn't call them a "friend" or someone I "love."

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 5, 2008 12:00 AM


Elizabeth I don't know if I told you this but you and your baby are absolutely adorable.

Regarding the political correctness, I remember a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry has to buy a doll for a baby shower. The only doll they had left was a biracial doll and he keeps making the mistake of saying mulatto which starts making everyone mad. On the same vein his friend is going out with a black girl and is afraid his penis will seem small in comparison. After concluding there is no difference, they were both peeing in a bathroom and a black guy went up. They both looked down and their jaws dropped. The guy got angry and tried to start a fight!


Which reminds me of a Mr. Show episode where David "comes out" as being bald. His friend says, "David I love you but I cannot accept this choice you made." David says, "What? I can't help that I'm bald, God made me this way." And she says, "Then I reject God."

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 5, 2008 12:06 AM


"I can't think of a more terrible tragedy than to lose an unsaved child."

Losing *two* unsaved children?

Posted by: Hal at February 5, 2008 12:13 AM


Dear Sunshine,
I am sorry you took the brunt of some very strong opinions. Had a class last night otherwise I would have been here with ya! Just wanted to let you know.
I do love my cousin, who is a lesbian. She is hilarious, works hard, loves her family and is a very interesting person. Do I celebrate her lifestyle? Nope. She knows where I am coming from and respects that. We don't have to talk about it. She is on her 4th "marriage" and that's her deal. The thing that bugs me the most is she is always trying to get me involved in some kind of "pyramid scheme". So annoying. :)

Posted by: Carla at February 5, 2008 6:17 AM


The most important thing a parent can do for a child is to lead them to Jesus Christ.

YES!!Thank you HisMan.

Posted by: Carla at February 5, 2008 6:19 AM


No problem Carla! I put myself there. The younger generation seems to tolerate ALOT more that mine. God save us all. And yes,HisMan, my prayers are that Jesus comes again soon also. I don't know just how much more blasphemy against my Lord that I can take! But then I imagine how He must feel. He died for all of us. The worldy views disgust me.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 7:13 AM


*twitch*

Posted by: Rae at February 5, 2008 8:15 AM


I know I've said this before, but it's been awhile.

I have a son that I know for a fact is sleeping with his girlfriend of 8 years. I hate that he is. I love him. I love his girlfriend. I hate their behavior. I keep it to myself, tho, cuz they are both adults (well, okay, I dig at him every once in a while, but for the most part I'm good) He knows I don't approve, but he also knows that I haven't stopped loving him.

I have a gay friend. He knows how I feel about "homosexual behavior"...I feel pretty much the same way that I do about premarital sex. As a Catholic, I believe that sex is meant to be shared in the confines of the marital be.

That being said, the rest of the world is NOT Catholic, and to expect them to live up to my standards is not fair. As long as I am left to live my life as a Catholic, I must allow others to live theirs as non-Catholics.

Being gay is only one aspect of a person. It is not "who" they are, but "what" they are.

I'm not interested in what people do. I'm interested in who people are.

I speak my mind, and don't pretend to condone said behavior, but once my mind is spoken, unless I'm asked, I butt out.

Prayer can work just as well as words in cases like this.

Please do not get me wrong. I believe homosexual behavior is wrong...a sin.

I also believe that some people choose to engage in homosexual behavior, and some are born attracted to the same sex. I think nature "intended" for men and women to get together, but nature sometimes goes awry. I believe that gay people have the same dignity and worth that I and everyone else does.

I do not like when homosexuality is flaunted. The gay pride parade really irritates me. I don't want to see mostly naked men in feather boas riding on floats down the street. However, I would feel the same way if this was prostitute pride parade (nice alliteration) and mostly naked women were riding down the street on floats.

I also don't like homosexuality taught in schools. Of course I don't think any sex ed should be taught in schools...I think it should be an extracurricular program...not mandatory.

As for marriage? Choose a different word and I have no problem with this. This country, while founded on Christian principals is not, and should NOT be a theocracy.

When a Christian/Catholic starts thinking that the world should bend to their view and their view alone, no matter how it's done, then I think the "Christ" part of Christian goes right out the window. We cannot berate or bully anyone into believing what we believe. We can only love them there.

Okay. Done now.

Posted by: mk at February 5, 2008 10:05 AM


The most important thing a parent can do for a child is lead them to Jesus Christ.

And Jesus doesn't love gay people? Pretty sure he loves everybody..and died for everybody's sins. That was the point of course.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 5, 2008 2:19 PM


MK,

10:05: GREAT POST! You rock..you and my momma should hang out..you guys would love, love, love each other.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 5, 2008 2:23 PM


Yes, Jesus loves all people.

Posted by: Carla at February 5, 2008 2:45 PM


mk,

I think we were addressing not the people who simply think that homosexuality is a sin like every other sin, but those who are absolutely disgusted with homosexuals and think nothing of it.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 5, 2008 2:55 PM


disgusted with the ACT of homosexuality, PIP. Don't twist words or thoughts.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 5, 2008 2:57 PM


I do not like when homosexuality is flaunted. The gay pride parade really irritates me. I don't want to see mostly naked men in feather boas riding on floats down the street.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What about weddings?
Aren't they just huge heterosexual festivals complete with goofy costumes and flaunted sexuality? (Not to mention the Macarena, the Chicken dance, and the YMCA...)

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 5, 2008 3:23 PM


Jesus Christ Himself spoke the truth, and many criticized Him, mocked Him, and hated Him for speaking the truth. Some of His disciples were thrown in prisons for speaking the truth.

Those who are offended by the truth are those that do not want to cease their sinful ways or expose their sins and repent of them.

I do not apologize for speaking the truth, as I try to picture the faces of those, on that great Judgement Day, that are being thrown into the pits of hell. Imagine the anguish on their faces and hearts on that Day. I don't want to see that happen to anyone. That, my dear, is love.

God not only instructs us to pray for others, but also to go out and spread the truth from one end of the earth to the other. He never said it would be easy, He never said I wouldn't be mocked, criticized and hated because of it. I'm not here on this earth to appease men, I am here on earth to serve God.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 3:23 PM


I do not apologize for speaking the truth, as I try to picture the faces of those, on that great Judgement Day, that are being thrown into the pits of hell. Imagine the anguish on their faces and hearts on that Day. I don't want to see that happen to anyone.

So you believe gay people go to Hell?

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 5, 2008 3:31 PM


Another thing, Sunshine..why do you feel like you KNOW who is going to Hell and who isn't? Isn't that left up to God?

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 5, 2008 3:40 PM


Elizabeth,
Those who do not repent of their sins go to Hell. Period. God said that, that's how I know. Yes, Jesus died for everyone, but one must repent of their sins before they can be forgiven of them.

Now as far as who repented of their sins? I don't know. Only God does. I know I have and I know I have been forgiven, and I know that I will spend eternity in Heaven with my Lord.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 3:44 PM


Elizabeth,
If gay people did not repent of their sins, then yes, they will go to Hell along with all the others that didn't repent of their sins.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 3:46 PM


Guess I'm goin' to Hell.

Ah vell, all the cool people will be there...(Freddie Mercury! Heck yeah!).

Posted by: Rae at February 5, 2008 6:58 PM


Rae,
I don't know how "cool" they'll be...

:(

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 7:04 PM


Did you notice that one of the penguins is no longer "gay"? In the penguin community females lay the egss then males take care of them. The males all huddle around them to keep them warm while the females go off to eat to recover the fat they lost. Saw it on Animal Planet. I doubt that they were ever gay to begin with. Gay rights activists just wanted it to be so.

Posted by: Zena at February 5, 2008 7:17 PM


Thanks, Zena! I'm breaking out my penguin collection I put in storage a while back. Back to the china cabinet they go!!!

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 7:24 PM


@Sunshine: Well, I suppose it'll be awfully "hot"...good weather for BBQ and corn on the cob.

"I'm breaking out my penguin collection I put in storage a while back. Back to the china cabinet they go!!!"

*eyeroll* You put them away because penguins might be gay? Good grief that's pathetic.

Posted by: Rae at February 5, 2008 7:26 PM


No, Rae. I put them away because I didn't want the homosexual mascot displayed in my china cabinet anymore.

Thanks to Animal Planet, they'll have to find a new animal to substantiate their claim that "it's a natural thing".

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 7:31 PM


"I put them away because I didn't want the homosexual mascot displayed in my china cabinet anymore."

Again...good grief and that is pathetic.

Better not buy any flamingos then.

Posted by: Rae at February 5, 2008 7:59 PM


No, Rae. I put them away because I didn't want the homosexual mascot displayed in my china cabinet anymore.
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You funny...

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 5, 2008 8:09 PM


Rae,
Freddie Mercury, Rudolph Nureyev, Portia de la Rossi, Anderson Cooper...hell is looking awesomer each minute.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 5, 2008 8:59 PM


@PiP: Don't forget Darren Hayes! I'm sure George Clooney will be in Hell too though...being all evil and liberal and what not.

Can you imagine though? Freddie Mercury...*sigh*, he is not an attractive man, but dang he had stage presence and a voice!

Posted by: Rae at February 5, 2008 9:08 PM


Penguins, flamingos, heck! They should have gone with the unicorn. THAT would make sense!

Posted by: Sunshine at February 5, 2008 9:40 PM


No, Rae. I put them away because I didn't want the homosexual mascot displayed in my china cabinet anymore.

Thanks to Animal Planet, they'll have to find a new animal to substantiate their claim that "it's a natural thing".

Wow, Sunshine..you really ARE paranoid aren't you? You know..having the supposed "homosexual mascot" in your china cabinet doesn't make you gay don't you?

Oh wait you didn't. No shock there.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 5, 2008 10:59 PM


Rae,

OMG that voice makes me shudder.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 6, 2008 12:16 AM


lol sunshine you are a character. I don't know one woman who would put away a collection of animals because they were observed having homosexual behavior. Well actually I guess now I do! ;)


OMG Missouri is SO CLOSE THIS IS KILLING ME

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 6, 2008 12:18 AM


Better put away all the animals then. Each species shows homosexuality or bisexuality to one degree or another. No more china animals for sunshine....

paranoia much?

Posted by: Dan at February 6, 2008 7:55 AM


Dan,
No, just a bad case of nausea.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 6, 2008 8:06 AM


Sunshine..you mean your china animals were exhibiting homosexual behavior in FRONT of you? :gasp: Better call the looney bin.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 6, 2008 10:18 AM


The myth of animal homosexuality...

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

Posted by: Bethany at February 6, 2008 10:19 AM


Elizabeth,
If that's what you understood from my comment, there's really not much more I can say to you. Not only is your comment a huge stretch of your own imagination, it really does sound immature.

Bethany,
Thank you for the "myth buster". I guess people like to see things however they want to substantiate their sinful ways. To me, at least, it's proof-positive that deep down in their hearts they know they're doing something WAY wrong.

Posted by: Sunshine at February 6, 2008 10:35 AM


Actually it's not Sunshine..I think it's rather immature to take down some figurines because you think they represent something relating to homosexuality. Or paranoid..whichever. It shows you're not secure enough in your own beliefs. I bet you showed those penguins though.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 7, 2008 9:45 AM