What a sick world we live in with that AbortionMan crap and that Yale "artist."

I wonder how we got here.

I wonder how we got here.

By incremental degrees that everyone thought was no big deal.

Just like the frog in the pot....

Abortion Man is so horribly wrong and sick, twisted and backwards. Anyone who find this humorous has some serious problems.

The OH teen story is both sick and sad. Price and Gibson are sick and evil, and at the same time though I feel that Anderson should have been truthful to Price and tell him he might not have been the father. It is just an all around awful story.

About the license plates, why can't we put whatever we want on our cars without having our tires slashed? Drive around with your abortion pictures, let other drive around with their condom "just wear it" bumper stickers. Besides you never know who is just borrowing someone's car.

I don't know if I would trust a pro-life husband like, if say I was only a month pregnant and the pregnancy put me in a coma would he let us both die or choose abortion and at least save my life. I mean I personally think if one person can survive then at least let that one person live. Or an ectopic pregnancy. Would he want me to wait for my tube to rupture? It depends on the individual. Like if my boyfriend didn't want me to have an abortion is I got pregnant then I wouldn't. But I wouldn't want to die if my pre-born kid was going to die to.

Well Elizabeth I think we're a step up from human sacrifices don't you? Sorry, just trying to get people to look on the bright side (of this dark world).

Or an ectopic pregnancy. Would he want me to wait for my tube to rupture?

Oh for goodness sake.

If I rolled my eyes any harder they would dislocate, I swear....

Well Elizabeth I think we're a step up from human sacrifices don't you?

Jess, we consider abortion to BE a human sacrafice...so I think the answer would be no.

Hooves, have you met Zeke?

Ok, well, we have um, better knowledge of heart conditions and how to treat and prevent them.

Jess:I don't know if I would trust a pro-life husband like, if say I was only a month pregnant and the pregnancy put me in a coma would he let us both die or choose abortion and at least save my life.

How is an abortion going to save your life at this point? Is there a doctor in the house?

Just like the frog in the pot....

EXACTLY!!!! I love the frog in the pot analogy!

Janet, say the pregnancy caused some crazy thyroid problem early on in the pregnancy that was affecting my heart. Do you think I should be able to abort or the child and I should both die?

Jess,
How could you believe that abortion is NOT human sacrafice??? Abortive "mothers" sacrafice their own children to the gods of their own self-centered desires!

Ok JLM I was thinking of something different I'm sorry.

And the way I see it, eating meat is the same thing. So many animals are brutally tortured for a long period of time just so people can enjoy their hamburgers and KFC.

Janet, say the pregnancy caused some crazy thyroid problem early on in the pregnancy that was affecting my heart. Do you think I should be able to abort or the child and I should both die?

Posted by: Jess at April 17, 2008 6:45 PM

Why are you obsessed with aborting to save your life? That almost NEVER happens. If you are one month pregnant at the time how will an abortion save your life?

What a sick world we live in with that AbortionMan crap and that Yale "artist."

I wonder how we got here.

Posted by: Elizabeth at April 17, 2008 6:01 PM
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Back in my day, daddies beat their pregnant daughters causing miscarriages to prevent family shame. Especially if their daughters were pregnant by a black man. Oh the shame! The authorities didn't bother themselves with a man and his property you know.
Gee! I wonder how we got here? Do you mean now that it is no longer legal to beat women and children?

It happened to my Aunt, Janet. We have a thyroid condition that runs in my family.

Janet the hormones from the pregnancy caused her heart to begin to fail. Trust me my family is very pro-life, they wouldn't have said it was to save her life unless it absolutely was true.

And for all of you who claim to care what the Pope says:

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/04/the_popes_in_to.php

So the Pope says abortion is wrong. You believe him. He says eating animals is wrong, you'll probably just ignore that.

And the way I see it, eating meat is the same thing. So many animals are brutally tortured for a long period of time just so people can enjoy their hamburgers and KFC.,/i>

Oh for crying out loud, would you go find a Vegan blog to commiserate on please??

Sure shows the mentality that Television City passes for entertainment: Violence against women = funny.

Jess, 6:15PM

If an abortion was truly necessary to save your life your doctor would be fully authorized to go ahead and perform the procedure, with or without your husband's permission.
Would he want you to wait for your tube to rupture?
Please Jess, if your doctor confirmed an ectopic pregnancy you can give your permission for surgery. If you wait for it to rupture because your husband wants you to well, I won't comment. I'll just say it wouldn't be very bright of you.
About the thyroid condition. There is far better medical management of various conditions that at one time posed a threat to pregnant women. In this day and age, it rarely comes down to the life of the mother versus that of the unborn baby. If such a threat does indeed exist, every effort will be made to preserve the life of the mother, and if possible the child as well.

Cranky Catholic, 7:13PM

Good point. Why is this violence considered any kind of entertainment? Certainly various women's and anti- violence groups should have a very serious issue with this.

If this case isn't a good reason to put the ten commandments back in school, I don't know what else we could do that would be effective. This is plain and simple...wrong!

Two OH teens have been found guilty of murder after assaulting a young woman and killing her unborn baby: Gibson said 18-year-old Kerria Anderson told Price she was pregnant with his child. Price learned he and Anderson were cousins and urged her to have an abortion. Anderson refused.
That's when the teens planned to beat Anderson until she lost the child, Gibson said.

Tests later revealed Price wasn't the father, but that wasn't until months after the attack.

The boys lured Anderson to an Over-the-Rhine apartment, where they kicked, beat and stomped her. Anderson went into labor and the baby was stillborn, Gibson said.

"I think about the independence of women. I couldn't imagine having sex with a pro-life woman."

What, afraid you'd get stuck with child support payments?

Seriously, if there is a non-piggish interpretation of this comment, it's eluding me.

"Hooves, have you met Zeke?"

LOL Jess.

Mary,
Thanks for your expertise.

Jess,
I'm sorry about your Aunt, but do you really want to live in fear that it will happen to you? Be hopeful. Don't worry about something that will probably never happen to you. It's not a reason to not be 100% pro-life.

Well Mary and Janet, it was about thirty years ago when this happened. I just hate it when people seem to make light of the situation. My aunt is a wonderful person and it is a tragedy what happened to her but I stand by her decision.

"Hooves, have you met Zeke?"

LOL Jess.

Bobby, I hope you know me better than that....I have never even approached the lines that Zeke crosses.

" Two OH teens have been found guilty of murder after assaulting a young woman and killing her unborn baby"

finally some justice for an unborn child.

I don't see how these 2 bums are guilty and abortionists get a free ride. The law is messed up, big-time.

"Bobby, I hope you know me better than that....I have never even approached the lines that Zeke crosses."

Oh no, Hooves-in-Maw. I certainly wasn't attempting to imply that. I thought Jess was making an allusion implying that Zeke believes that we should sacrifice humans (that isn't quite what he believes, but I think a lot of people see it that way) My laugh was not towards you at all :)

Jess, 8:35PM

I in no way made light of your aunt's situation but only meant to reassure you that medical care has made great advances in the past 30 years. My training would be viewed as stone age.
In that era its entirely possible your aunt required an abortion to save her life and got one. I would certainly have no issue with that. It proves my point that abortion has always been available when necessary to save a woman's life.
There was a time when a woman with rheumatic heart disease was signing her death warrent if she became pregnant. Improved medical care drastically reduced the death rate in pregnant women. Better medical care also reduced RH. RHD is now virutally non-existent.

Bobby I was implying Zeke would happily let a woman AND her unborn baby die rather then allow any abortion.

And jasper this woman wanted to be pregnant.

Ok Bobby--Thank you!! You're one of my favorite posters, and I was worried you thought I was a wacky extreemo!!

"Ok Bobby--Thank you!! You're one of my favorite posters, and I was worried you thought I was a wacky extreemo!!"

Wow, I'm flattered!

Bobby I was implying Zeke would happily let a woman AND her unborn baby die rather then allow any abortion.

Jess, I think maybe you have too much wax in your eyes if you think I believe what you are implying....

"Bobby I was implying Zeke would happily let a woman AND her unborn baby die rather then allow any abortion."

Are you sure that's right Jess? I mean, yes it is correct that that's what you thought, but are you sure Zeke would rather let both of them die then do some sort of intervention, not a direct abortion, but something to save the mother's life? Despite all the guff that we give him, Zeke is a very intelligent guy, and if I had to guess, I'd say he subscribes to the principle of double-effect. I could be wrong, though. Do you recall him explicitly saying that he would rather they both die?

Well Zeke believes that any woman who has an abortion should be put to death, wether or not she regrets it.

Bobby we'll ask him next time he's on here. And an intelligent guy? Mostly everything he writes is just Catholic and Elizabeth bashing.

Jess "And jasper this woman wanted to be pregnant."

how about if she didn't want to be pregnant Jess, then it's Ok to stomp on her belly?

OK. And yeah, we may have beliefs/opinions that are polar opposite of his, and maybe sometimes he is a bit uncouth, but he is not at all a dumb guy. He is very well research and well read. I mean, certainly Elizabeth or Catholic bashing isn't what impresses me about him, don't get me wrong.

It's not healthy or safe and isn't abortion illegal beyond a certain point of viability and would she even want that?

Well, most pro life women prefer to be in a relationship that comes with a RING and a promise of loyalty (AKA Marriage), so that's why they wouldn't be interested in a prochoice MAN.

Oh, and Jess.....

Abortion is legal in all nine months of pregnancy. Yes, e.g. "Judy" could get an abortion one day before she was due to give birth!

A lot of people don't know this, they believe R vs. W only legalized abortion for the first three months.

Wait, pro-choice men don't get married?

That's going to come as a surprise to my husband.

Sorry Jen.R, I was commenting on the comment from the "pro choice" student about not wanting to have sex with a pro life woman. I wasn't talking about all pro choice men.

Ah, OK.

Really Liz? Then why are we complaining about Tiller performing illegal late term abortions?

Its because Kansas does have a law restricting late term abortions, but he is killing babies for all kinds of reasons, for example "so Jane can go to a rock concert".

The money spent on embryonic stem cell research is not "wasted". Embryonic stem cell biology is important as a matter of basic science.

You may object to it on moral grounds but wasteful it is not.

"EXACTLY!!!! I love the frog in the pot analogy!"

Really? I hate it. When I hear it, all I can think is: "What crazy ____ is putting frogs into pots and then boiling them?"

"Sure shows the mentality that Television City passes for entertainment: Violence against women = funny."

I don't find it funny, either, CC. But you'll have to admit: our entertainment media far more often commit the transgression of showing female violence AGAINST MEN as funny. That's not okay, either.

And the guy who "can't imagine having sex with a pro-life woman" reminds me of the bumper sticker, "Just say no to sex with pro-lifers." Obviously, some pro-choicers really think they're all that and a bag of Ruffles, huh?

Jess,
How could you believe that abortion is NOT human sacrafice??? Abortive "mothers" sacrafice their own children to the gods of their own self-centered desires!

Posted by: JLM at April 17, 2008 6:47 PM
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There is nothing more self centered or egotistical than thinking YOU should have the right to tell some stranger that she "has to" continue a pregnancy because allmighty YOU dont approve of abortion. And trying to pretend abortion is 'human sacrifice' is just more antichoice hysterical melodramatic absurdity and idiocy.

Its because Kansas does have a law restricting late term abortions, but he is killing babies for all kinds of reasons, for example "so Jane can go to a rock concert".

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at April 17, 2008 10:10 PM
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And your proof would be where? And the source for this 'information' would be where?

Oh, and Jess.....

Abortion is legal in all nine months of pregnancy. Yes, e.g. "Judy" could get an abortion one day before she was due to give birth!

A lot of people don't know this, they believe R vs. W only legalized abortion for the first three months.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at April 17, 2008 9:17 PM
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Why dont you tell us which states have no restrictions on abortion? and tell us where you got that information?

It happened to my Aunt, Janet. We have a thyroid condition that runs in my family.

Posted by: Jess at April 17, 2008 6:54 PM
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Im getting this really weird image of a thyroid gland running and you giving chase -

Two OH teens have been found guilty of murder after assaulting a young woman and killing her unborn baby"

finally some justice for an unborn child.

I don't see how these 2 bums are guilty and abortionists get a free ride. The law is messed up, big-time.

Posted by: jasper at April 17, 2008 8:36 PM
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Since one has nothing to do with the other, the laws arent messed up at all. And I notice you totally ignore the fact that the woman involved was severely beaten.

Post deleted by moderator Bethany at 5:56 PM

Embryonic stem cell reserch is like trying to make cherry pie with unripe cherries.

They just ain't ready for pickin'.

"Im getting this really weird image of a thyroid gland running and you giving chase -"

TR at first I got kind of offended but yeah, that is basically what's happening : P

TexasRed, instead of giving an insult back, I'll do the Christian thing. I'll pray for you. You are in my prayers. I myself would NEVER marry a man who believed that abortion was "Awesome".

Fact: We have a 50% divorce rate in this country. That's a bit high, isn't it?

http://www.aidforwomen.com/ablaws.htm Kansas Abortion Laws

Yeah but a prominent pro-lifer her settled for the ring and marriage and then got divorced. So pro-lifers are contributing to the divorce rate.

TexasRed, instead of giving an insult back, I'll do the Christian thing. I'll pray for you. You are in my prayers. I myself would NEVER marry a man who believed that abortion was "Awesome".

Fact: We have a 50% divorce rate in this country. That's a bit high, isn't it?

http://www.aidforwomen.com/ablaws.htm Kansas Abortion Laws

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at April 18, 2008 9:03 AM
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You dont know what youre talking about when it comes to being pro choice. If a man is pro choice he would respect your right to make your own decision if you were pregnant and respect your right to do what you thought was best. Why wouldnt you want that? Trying to pretend a pro choice man must think abortion is 'awesome' is just plain stupid.

Yeah but a prominent pro-lifer her settled for the ring and marriage and then got divorced. So pro-lifers are contributing to the divorce rate.

Posted by: Jess at April 18, 2008 10:01 AM

If we let homosexuals marry, I'd like to see what happens to the divorce rate. I wonder if it would go down?

"Im getting this really weird image of a thyroid gland running and you giving chase -"

TR at first I got kind of offended but yeah, that is basically what's happening : P

Posted by: Jess at April 18, 2008 6:28 AM
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why would you be offended?
In one of my psych classes the prof said that long ago 'hysteria' was blamed on a 'wandering uterus' ... I started laughing and he asked why ... I could just imagine nurses running down hospital halls trying to recapture the little suckers ... the uterus running, using fallopian tubes as two little legs .... he was the same one who said either I was brilliant or I was borderline psychotic and after knowing me for 2 years he wasnt going to bet either way ....

Fact: We have a 50% divorce rate in this country. That's a bit high, isn't it?

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Id really like to see a break down on how many people getting a divorce have never been married before, have been married once before, twice, etc. I think a lot of people get married and divorced over and over again but never learn anything from their marriages. I was married once, divorced and have never remarried. My ex has married for the third time and from what my kids have said he doesnt seem to be all happy with this one either.

Id really like to see a break down on how many people getting a divorce have never been married before, have been married once before, twice, etc. I think a lot of people get married and divorced over and over again but never learn anything from their marriages. I was married once, divorced and have never remarried. My ex has married for the third time and from what my kids have said he doesnt seem to be all happy with this one either.

Posted by: TexasRed at April 18, 2008 2:00 PM

According to the NYT, that 50% number is inaccurate. This is from 2005.

The figure is based on a simple - and flawed - calculation: the annual
marriage rate per 1,000 people compared with the annual divorce rate. In
2003, for example, the most recent year for which data is available, there
were 7.5 marriages per 1,000 people and 3.8 divorces, according to the
National Center for Health Statistics.

But researchers say that this is misleading because the people who are
divorcing in any given year are not the same as those who are marrying, and
that the statistic is virtually useless in understanding divorce rates. In
fact, they say, studies find that the divorce rate in the United States has
never reached one in every two marriages, and new research suggests that,
with rates now declining, it probably never will.

It's also interesting, but women who graduate from college are less likely to divorce.

But since 1980, the two groups have taken diverging paths. Women without
undergraduate degrees have remained at about the same rate, their risk of
divorce or separation within the first 10 years of marriage hovering at
around 35 percent. But for college graduates, the divorce rate in the first
10 years of marriage has plummeted to just over 16 percent of those married
between 1990 and 1994 from 27 percent of those married between 1975 and
1979.

About 60 percent of all marriages that eventually end in divorce do so
within the first 10 years, researchers say. If that continues to hold true,
the divorce rate for college graduates who married between 1990 and 1994
would end up at only about 25 percent, compared to well over 50 percent for
those without a four-year college degree.

Check out more statistics on divorcereform.org/rates. Most of them seem to indicate divorce is actually going down. My theory is that when divorce became acceptable, a bunch of people who wanted out of sucky marriages did so and drove the rate up, now it's getting more stagnant and probably will remain around 25-30%.

I guess it isn't true that guys don't want smart girls!!

Smart girls rock.