UPDATE, 7:58a: Elisha Soman, Exec. Dir. of Voice of Nepal, just sent me additional information, including VOF's 1st newsletter as well as news that a Kathmandu hospital has saved the youngest baby ever there, 27 weeks, which is now relatively standard in the U.S.
In Nepal, comparing this preemie to those 6 late-term aborted babies, 1 of which certainly was older than their little survivor, will be a shock to the collective soul.
We've lost some of that in America. We all have something to teach one another. Elisha has requested our prayers.
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6:49a: According to Nepal News on January 6...
At least 6 human fetuses were found near the banks of Bishumati River in... Kathmandu on Wednesday, leading authorities to suspect of foul play by private hospitals involved in illegal abortion.
The fetuses were found wrapped in a polythene bag.... Eyewitnesses said that the fetuses could be anywhere from 4 to 5 months.
Police suspect private hospitals and clinics involved in illegal abortion to have disposed off [sic] the fetuses and said that they have started an investigation into the case.
Abortion has been legalized in Nepal few years ago . But some private clinics in the country have been found to offer cheap abortion related services without following proper guidelines, putting at risk the life of the patients.
That report also stated 3 of the babies were boys, 2 were girls, and 1 was too damaged to identify.
News of the macabre find sparked the formation of Nepal's 1st ever pro-life organization, Voice of Fetus, and a protest on February 14.
American pro-lifers may not realize pro-lifers worldwide watch our efforts and attempt to emulate them. We help embolden them.
See more photos of the rally here. Note many of the signs are ours.
According to Created4Life.org, an international pro-life organization that is helping Voice of Fetus and others get their start, the group has been given 40 minutes and will have a "huge presentation" at Kathmandu's International Women's Day celebration on March 8.
This is awful. It always surprises me that when things like this are found out they want to say that it is a murder yet if they would not have found the babies and it was all hush hush it would not have been considered murder! I'm praying for all involved.Posted by: Susieqtpie at March 1, 2010 7:02 AM
The age old practice of the sacrifice of human beings, the age old ploy of satan, the evil one. The fight is indeed between good and evil.Posted by: erika at March 1, 2010 7:08 AM
That's extremely sickening and extremely sad! Those babies look like they would have been viable! How could someone do such a thing? :(
I hope that they're put away forever and ever!
these babies look like they are 8 or 9 months - very close to term.
it is diabolical and very tragic. :(Posted by: angel at March 1, 2010 7:25 AM
For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at March 1, 2010 7:32 AM
So they're investigating, not because they just found dead children thrown out with the trash, but because, (horrors!) the deed might have been done ILLEGALLY!
Because, of course, if this horrific mess had been discovered out back at a "legit" hospital, where abortions are legal, no problem-o.
Oh, the irony of that last line in the quoted article...
@Bobby: it's certainly like human sacrifice is back only in a hidden form....
I've often thought that it's no wonder Christ sweat blood during his agony in the garden.....
all those innocent babies...:(Posted by: angela at March 1, 2010 7:38 AM
Absolutely, Angela. It's like Father Euteneuer says- abortion is demonic. It is a blood human sacrfifice to the god Molech done in temples (abortion clinics) on alters (the "operation" table) by their high priest (the abortionist). Whether done consciously or unconsciously, this is indeed the case.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at March 1, 2010 7:43 AM
When the abortionists give us their drivel about "choice" and "choose" and "decisions" and "women's health" and "reproductive health", this is what they really mean.Posted by: Joe at March 1, 2010 8:14 AM
Lord have mercy on us.Posted by: carla at March 1, 2010 8:37 AM
Those pictures make me want to cry. Every single one of those babies deserved to be loved and cherished. It's so unfair.
Those are some pretty well-developed "blobs." Horrible.Posted by: Phillymiss at March 1, 2010 8:57 AM
Joe, most abortions aren't done at that gestation. But, you clowns still want to give the impression that they are. And, yet many of you oppose contraception.Posted by: Pedro at March 1, 2010 9:00 AM
Even burned and dirty and rigid and lying in the mud those little bodies cry out to be held and loved and rocked and sung to.
I'm so sorry this was done to you, precious children. You are loved.
~ Ruthanne in Alabama
Pedro, if even ONE abortion is done at any gestation, my heart breaks.
I echo Carla: Lord, have mercy on us.Posted by: Cristy at March 1, 2010 9:06 AM
Cristy, did your heart ache when Bush attacked Iraq and innocent children died due to the bombing? Or do you and others overlook that loss of life?Posted by: Pedro at March 1, 2010 9:08 AM
Focus, dude. Prove to me that the 6 children in the photos were not burnt, broken and mangled to death.
Pedro, no matter when abortions happen, they still end a human life. It's scientifically indisputable.Posted by: Marauder at March 1, 2010 9:12 AM
How can ANYONE remain PRO CHOICE after seeing these pictures is beyond me! These are clearly HUMAN BEINGS!
And there are abortionists that do abortions at this point in pregnancy here in the USA: Carhart and Hern are TWO that I know of. Carhart operates his disgusting "clinic" in my state. These abortionists usually use the excuse of deformities or "mother's life is at risk".
Posted by: LizFromNebraska
at March 1, 2010 9:12 AM
Abortion is demonic. Even the pro-aborts know that. Two abortion clinic workers/owners started a wiccan coven in Florida. they worked for women aware clinic...I believe that was the name. There is a great book that details the link between abortion and ancient child sacrifice and satanic origins. I can't recall the name of the book right now...but i've read portions, very interesting and creepy at the same time.
One feminist even wrote a book about how abortion is a sacrament in honor of the goddess aphrodite.
It breaks my heart to think of those babies dying alone and unloved. I hope and pray angels comforted them in their suffering.
Wonder if our very own bitter Artemis knows this...Posted by: Sydney M. at March 1, 2010 9:16 AM
So Pedro, what gestation is acceptable? What magic date does a child in utero gain the status of old enough to not be aborted? Or does that point never occur? I mean, what's your point? That blob that doesn't actually look like a blob today will look like the babies above in a few short weeks.
And I love the drive-by comments throwing out "you oppose contraception" by people thinking they're so smart and clever. At the risk of feeding the troll, here's a brief, very simplified argument why some (but not all of us) here oppose contraception:
1) The contraceptive mentality fundamentally opposes a couple to the procreative aspect of the sexual act.
2) Should contraception fail, as it is prone to do, the child that is conceived is usually perceived as an invader or unwelcomed parasite, not as a new human being with inherent rights and dignity.
3) Invaders/parasites should be eliminated, and with a pregnancy, this means abortion.
4) The contraceptive mentality and contraceptive acts increase the acceptance of abortion and dramatically increases the likelihood of abortion when pregnancy occurs.
If you have questions regarding any particular of these points, ask intelligently/respectfully and you will be answered. Open, honest debate is welcomed here.Posted by: Michael at March 1, 2010 9:23 AM
"Abortion has been legalized in Nepal few years ago. But some private clinics in the country have been found to offer cheap abortion related services without following proper guidelines, putting at risk the life of the patients." nepalnews.com
So much for safe legalized abortion. This story once again proves abortion to be an industry. It is about money and it is not healthcare.
Pedro, there are millions of babies that have been put to death this way around the world. Not the oh so few that you think. This is what pro-choice is.... got it?Posted by: Sandy at March 1, 2010 9:30 AM
Amen, Bobby. I am horrified and speechless after seeing these gruesome photos.
I want Cecile Richards, Leroy Carhart, Obama, and every pro-abort in America to look these babies in the eye and justify their murders. Defend this. Explain why this is a "right." Then look me in the eye and tell me why this isn't barbaric.
Have mercy on us, Lord.Posted by: Jennie at March 1, 2010 9:50 AM
Yes, Pedro - wars kill people, including innocent civilians. In Iraq, estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths are as high as 100,000. Military deaths altogether are much lower, but in the tens of thousands. Put that together, and you might get 150,000 dead in the Iraq war. Yes, we can agree: war is not good. So, maybe it is very clever to point out that pro-life people are ignoring a mroe gross tragedy: why worry about a few babies, voluntarily killed by their parents and the helpful legitimate health care industry?
Well, Pedro: the numbers game does not work: if you wanted to preserve life back in 2003, and had one wish, and you could either avoid the Iraq War, or you could have wished for abortion to be illegal, your change-the-topic criticism loses any rhetorical power: 150,000 dead due to war (ignoring those who would have died as Sadam continued to kill his subjects), and since 2003, well over 8,000,000 dead in a system where there are many viable, clear, achievable alternatives.
That is almost two orders of magnitude greater deaths in that span of time.
So, I have considered your change-the-topic Bush-is-evil critique of the pro-life position, and it has not made me change my mind that 1. war in general is bad and innocents get killed, and 2. abortion is also bad, and innocents get killed, and the numbers are two degrees of magnitude greater than the Iraq war.Posted by: Row1 at March 1, 2010 9:55 AM
Poor children- the state of children's rights internationally is appalling.
This is wrong.Posted by: Vannah at March 1, 2010 10:58 AM
Row1, the subject is life. It's amazing how people who call themselves "prolife" can justify Iraq, which is my point.
Worship your fetuses while you ignore those children killed in war.
I responded to you on the post about the filthy conditions at an abortion clinic.
What kind of man supports the slaughter of babies in their mothers' wombs?
What kind of man, knowing all of the terrible psychological effects, gynecological effects and increased incidence of breast cancer resulting from abortion supports this decision in women?
This runs counter to instincts wired into men through millions of years of evolution. It constitutes a rational decision to break with his own human, masculine nature, which is to protect our women and our young.
In short, it constitutes a complete implosion, a deal with the devil.
Man up buddy. If you have had anything to do with procuring an abortion for a woman, God is waiting for you, rich in mercy and forgiveness.
Don't allow yourself to die one day locked in this rebellion. If you do, access to God's forgiveness will be closed to you for eternity. Remember Psalm 95
"If today you hear His voice, harden not your hearts."
You heard that voice today Pedro. Repent and join us, your honorable brothers, in honorable manhood.
I think you're better than what I've seen you write here.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at March 1, 2010 11:24 AM
On another note,
In those photos, if we use the glove pictured at right as a standard of measure, those babies at right may well have been full-term babies. It's apparent that they were simply delivered live and left for dead.
And people of faith are mocked by the satanic ghouls who have betrayed their own humanity and use their medical skills to make war on their own women and children.
God have mercy on them all.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at March 1, 2010 11:31 AM
Hi Pedro, please choose one moniker from now on or you will be banned. I believe Carla addressed this the other day with you (Jules). Thanks.
It's amazing how so few pro-choicers are actually commenting on this site (which is probably one reason why they have the same old tired arguments...) and phrases like "fetus worshippers" (that one just makes me laugh, lol!). They're pretending to be more numerous than they really are.
Keep lobbing those hand grenades over the wall, Pedro, and then cover your ears, because we know you have never listened to a single, logical pro-life argument you've ever encountered in the months you've posted here under different names.Posted by: Kelli at March 1, 2010 11:32 AM
I will be deleting any comment that brings up pedophile priests. ::eyeroll:: So done with that...
Stick to the topic, stick to one moniker and I think we're good.Posted by: carla at March 1, 2010 11:35 AM
"It's amazing how people who call themselves "prolife" can justify Iraq, which is my point. Worship your fetuses while you ignore those children killed in war. "
Okay, call those who are opposed to abortion right-to-lifers or anti-choicers or zabolabolobos. The name really doesn't matter. And suppose that all zabolabolobos support the war in Iraq and ignore children killed in war. How does it then follow that abortion is justifiable? Again, who cares what we call ourselves? The issue we currently are discussing is whether or not abortion is justifiable. Our position is that abortion unjustly takes the life of an innocent human being. How does our ignoring of children in Iraq address that claim?Posted by: Bobby Bambino at March 1, 2010 11:43 AM
If you click on the photo you will see that one of the babies hardly has a face left, one has a foot almost touching her face and one has 2 huge slash marks. They were tortured to death.
From the book, 'While Six Million Died', a non-fiction about the events leading up to and including the holocaust in Germany.
A foreign journalist reported that in the mornings it was not unusual to find the bodies of dead Jews in the streets of German cities.
[Kind of like 'road kill' here.]
The reporter wrote, "Even the casual observer would have to conclude, 'reason is absent in the land'.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at March 1, 2010 11:48 AM
Uh, Pedro, there are those of us here that oppose the Iraq war, and the death penalty. So, pulleeze, take your prolifers-only-care-for-children-before-they're-born mantra somewhere else.
And a few of us don't worship anything, much less fetuses.Posted by: Phillymiss at March 1, 2010 11:57 AM
yes, Bobby, ignore the innocents killed in Iraq. Concentrate only on fetuses and abortion. "prolife" means nothing more than forcing a woman to continue a pregancy to term.Posted by: Pedro at March 1, 2010 12:05 PM
First, thank you for honoring the more than 96% of my Priests who were found by the John Jay study to not have violated their vows or integrity.
I noted the slashes, but I guess it was too overwhelming to contemplate that they were tortured. I presumed it might have happened in the rubbish cans. But I fear that you are correct.
God bless you and keep you strong Carla!!
You have a choice today. Embrace these photos and all that gives rise to their reality, or embrace honorable manhood.
For the sake of your immortal soul, let go of all attachment to bitterness, strife, resentment, guilt, past participation of sin, and anything else that might drag you under, twisting your psyche and your soul.
This blog, my blog, the pro-lifers here, all exist for YOU. If they are material in helping you recover your dignity, and if you were the ONLY one so affected, then our life's work will have been worth the effort.
Give in to the better angels of your nature. Today.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at March 1, 2010 12:07 PM
""prolife" means nothing more than forcing a woman to continue a pregancy to term. "
Okay, so here we have a conflict of interests. The woman does not want to be pregnant. The alternative is to directly kill an innocent human being. In a situation like this, shouldn't morality fall on the side of the one who has more to lose? In this case, the fetus will lose his life in an abortion. Thus abortion should in all cases not be morally permissible because even though the woman does not wish to be pregnant, the fetus has more to lose, namely, his life.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at March 1, 2010 12:13 PM
Regarding the comment that most abortions aren't done at this gestation - IT DOESN'T MATTER. It's MURDER no matter the gestational age ~ Wake up! How can abortion EVER be condoned when it is always a WILLING act to destroy an innocent life??? A baby IS NOT trash!!!Posted by: lin at March 1, 2010 1:35 PM
War in Iraq (or anywhere) is a horrible thing - we as man are sinners - and unfortunately wars continue to maim and kill innocents. Abortion too is WAR upon the MOST innocent - those whom have NO voice and are murdered for convenience. There is NO answer but God's mercy and for us to live and realize that EVERY life is precious. NO ONE is useless! God have mercy on us all - hold these babies dear Jesus, they did not deserve this!Posted by: elizabethk at March 1, 2010 1:40 PM
I often wonder why no one who claims to be PC EVER reacts to these photos?? Never is horrified or disgusted or completely angered by how unborn humans are killed.
We are so depraved.Posted by: carla at March 1, 2010 1:44 PM
So Pedro are you saying that you're against abortion and the war in Iraq?Posted by: 31Roses at March 1, 2010 2:15 PM
Abortion is despicable. I can almost see my own sweet newborn's face on the mangled bodies of these poor children. It's appalling to think that my own baby could have been tortured to death if he would have been conceived by a different mother.
I'd like to see a pro-choicer actually address these pictures and attempt some lame excuse about how they weren't human because "they haven't taken their first breath yet". Don't look for the logic in any such argument because it isn't there. *eyeroll*
What words can the proaborts possibly use to justify this? There are none.Posted by: Jill Guidry at March 1, 2010 3:23 PM
These babies were murdered! WHO has the right to murder growing children in the womb?! I can only imagine the pain and suffering these babies suffered while their lives were being snuffed out. Murder is illegal. Abortion must be illegal! God helps us!Posted by: Robyn at March 1, 2010 3:35 PM
The LORD said to Cain, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth." Genesis 4:10-12
We are our Brother's Keeper How Long will the Lord's patience prevail before he finally takes vengance on the Blood of Our Brothers and Sisters?
Spera Rose, OCDs at March 1, 2010 3:39 PM
Posted by: Janet
at March 1, 2010 3:57 PM
Good point. Is it a coincidence that the epicenter of Chile's deadly earthquake was 200 miles from the city of Concepcion (which, translated, means ""conception"? I believe God may be trying to wake us up to appreciate the value of human life. The signs are there!
Those poor babies!
Lord, have mercy!
In the year and a half that I've been actively pro-life, I've seen and heard so many horrible things. Abortionists and educated abortion advocates have me at such a loss.
Bobby, you took the words right out of my mouth... For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.Posted by: MaryRose at March 1, 2010 4:33 PM
This is in response to Pedro. I agree with the comment "focus" Pedro.
Anyway...The quick answer... Abortion and war are not morally equivalent.
Abortion kills innocent persons intentionally.
Sometimes in war innocent persons are killed unintentionally.
AllPosted by: psalm at March 1, 2010 4:44 PM
The photos of the dead babies brings to mind pictures of the Holocaust. How one could not make the connection is beyond understanding. Legalized abortion is a Holocaust of monumental proportions. One must ask, "where's the outrage".
If your answers are:
"It's a choice" or, "It's not a human being", or "It's between a woman and her doctor", your heart is full of self-deception and denial and without God's counsel.
"An unexamined life is a life not worth living" - Priest John Powell quoting Socrates in Fully Human, Fully Alive.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 1, 2010 4:57 PM
To justify abortion by invoking the unrighteousness of war is simply ludicrous and a
symptom of a heart whose values are governed by moral relativism and secular humanism run amok aka narcissism.
Please, apart from war or peace, abortion is murder. Don't try to convince me or any other thinking human being that somehow one can justify abortion due to it's insignificance relative to the horrors of war when both are symptomatic of the human and fallen condition of mankind.
And yes, both should be abolished, however, as long as there are evil people in the world neither will be. They can only be restrained. That's where we pro-lifers come in.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 1, 2010 5:24 PM
Where is the line drawn between "choice" and infanticide? A woman has the right to choose what is done to HER body--just not what is done to the body of another.
People are such hypocrites. They decry the Holocaust, yet under the aupices of "choice" and "planned parenthood" kill the unborn and do a word-dance to obsfucate.
I'm sure Hitler believed his "choices" were good ones, too.Posted by: Alternative Health at March 1, 2010 5:58 PM
Janet's Comments on my post regarding the epicenter of Chile's deadly earthquake being 200 miles from the city of Concepcion (which, translated, means "conception". I did not know that but it confirms the feeling of urgency of an upcoming chastisement for our country. A Coincidence is a sign, a miracle of providence, when God speaks annonomysly in the events of our daily lives. It is a divine signature God's finger writing on the wall. See the book of Daniel Chapter 5. Belshazzar the king made a great feast using the Golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple in Jerusalem. The finger of God that wrote the commandements on the stone tablets for Moses judged his Kingdom. America and the west are guilty of spreading abortions to these poor countries. America helped fund these countries that are aborting through Planned PArenthood and other prochoice organizations. We have to recognize the handwriting on the wall our time of great trial is around the corner. God help us if government funded abortions become the law of the land. May the Lord be merciful to us we know not what we let them do!!Posted by: Spera Rpse, OCDs at March 1, 2010 6:42 PM
To your original question, yes, my heart breaks at the loss of any innocent life. It is not about politics for me. It never will be.
Thanks for publishing these photographs. I wish Americans could see each and every baby that was destroyed through abortion each and every day, until they got up off their ample bottoms and started marching, yelling, pleading, for life. We are murderous filthy people. We are no better than the folks in Nepal. Have mercy on our mothers who abort, dear Jesus. They know not what they do.Posted by: mlizzy at March 1, 2010 7:09 PM
All right, pro-choicers. I want you to look at those babies. Take a good, long look at their little bodies. Look at their faces and their fingers.
Look at them.
You support killing them. Especially you, Jake. You said that "The right to choose overrides personhood."
You support those children being left on a pile of garbage because that is what thier mothers chose. Disgusting.Posted by: Lauren at March 1, 2010 7:51 PM
War vs. abortion.
In instances where mothers bring their children out to the war-torn streets, throw them at the feet of the enemy soliders, and then turn their backs as those soliders mercilessly rip apart their children, then, yes, I (a "pro-lifer") am categorically opposed to "war" and the death of innocents.
I saw your post to me so I thought I would answer. Yes, those pictures are certainly horrific to look at. Anyone seeing those pictures would be horrified. But alas, you see, it is the extremes that we all choose to live in. For example, you all choose the extreme of "Abortion is never an option". It is this position that forces the likes of me to take the opposition extreme position of "Abortion is always an option". Because there is no middle ground, we are forced into defending the position that a woman has the right to control her body at all times. Now, do I think that abortion of these fetuses is a bit extreme...from the pictures I would say yes. However, I will continue to fight for the right because we on this side have no choice. I know you all mock Obama's position that abortion is never desired and that we should fight to minimize the procedure. Believe it or not, I also follow that logic. No one wants to see abortion...but goodness, please realize that people (women and men) are put in horrible positions that necessitate making this choice.
Lauren says it all.
Take a good look pro-choicers. Take a good look at the crime against humanity in those photos, then tell us how this world is a better place for it.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at March 1, 2010 9:38 PM
Bullshit, Jake. Be pregnant. Be alone. Have your baby's father say he'll kill himself if you don't have an abortion. Have your parents tell you they'll kick out out if you're pregnant. Have no job. Have no money. Or better yet, take my word for it because I've been there, and I KNOW that NOBODY NEEDS ABORTION, EVEN THEN.Posted by: xalisae at March 1, 2010 9:41 PM
Preach it Xalisae!!!!!Posted by: Sydney M. at March 1, 2010 9:48 PM
Jake, your soul must be dark to justify the killing of the babies in this picture. You are a sick person. Get help.
Pedro, I am against the taking of innocent life and would give my own rather than take another's. Bush wasn't trying to kill innocents. His strategery was to lure the worst terrorists to Iraq where he could destroy them and at the same time free the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator. See the difference?Posted by: truthseeker at March 1, 2010 10:54 PM
However, I will continue to fight for the right because we on this side have no choice.....
Posted by: Jake at March 1, 2010 9:29 PM
This is a lie Jake. The truth is there is always a choice. A choice to do what's right and a choice to do what's wrong, a choice to choose life and a choice to choose death. Death is always the wrong choice, guaranteed.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 1, 2010 10:59 PM
Oh my aching heart! Death is horrible, either in war or abortion. How can anyone not justify one, and then defend another.Posted by: Diane~ IDSCforlife at March 2, 2010 12:14 AM
"For example, you all choose the extreme of "Abortion is never an option". It is this position that forces the likes of me to take the opposition extreme position of "Abortion is always an option". "
So by that logic Jake, the following would be consistent with your reasoning:
"For example, you all choose the extreme of Rape is never an option". It is this position that forces the likes of me to take the opposition extreme position of "Rape is always an option". "
"For example, you all choose the extreme of "Murder is never an option". It is this position that forces the likes of me to take the opposition extreme position of "Murder is always an option". "
Posted by: Gerard Nadal
at March 2, 2010 1:05 AM
Way to go genius!!
Row1, the subject is life. It's amazing how people who call themselves "prolife" can justify Iraq, which is my point.
Worship your fetuses while you ignore those children killed in war.
1. Let's assume that all pro-lifers are hypocrites b/c we say we are pro-life but we all support the Iraq war. How does this make abortion okay?
2. I think the Iraq War was a mistake and I do not think there was just cause for it (as bad as Saddam was). But I could be wrong. The reason war (while always a bad thing) is sometimes justified is on the grounds of self-defence or the defence of other people. The killing of children in Iraq or anywhere for any reason is always a bad thing and a terrible tragedy. Who denies it? However, no woman can justify the killing of her own child, b/c the child is not attacking her (even if the pregnancy is high risk). You cannot kill (innocent) people to solve your problems.
3. I'd rather "worship" foetuses than kill them, dude. I can't believe you can defend such evil.Posted by: Louise at March 2, 2010 2:32 AM
Gerard, your comments are excellent!
Xalisae, I know we have crossed swords before on other issues and I don't expect you to care about my opinion, but I just have to say that I really appreciate your comments here. I like to give credit where it is due.
Keep up the good work, pro-lifers!Posted by: Louise at March 2, 2010 2:49 AM
Always remember, we human beings have a fundamental and inalienable right to live a full human lifespan.
Killing us at any point in our lives, whether the unborn stage or the born stage, is a violation of our basic human rights and is therefore a crime.
It cannot possibly be any other way given our nature as living beings.
Killing any human being unnecessarily, born or unborn, is always a crime.Posted by: Joe at March 2, 2010 4:00 AM
Thank you very much Jill Stanek for writing blog about it. It can touch anybody's heart. Thank youPosted by: Elisha at March 2, 2010 4:06 AM
The Bible says,
"Thou shalt not kill." (Ex. 20:13.) "Thou shalt do no murder." (Matt. 19:18.)
Mother Teresa on Abortion:
"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?
"How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts.
"By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion. "
"Please don't kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted, and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child, and be loved by the child. From our children's home in Calcutta alone, we have saved over 3,000 children from abortions. These children have brought such love and joy to their adopting parents, and have grown up so full of love and joy!"
February 1997 - National Prayer Breakfast in Washington attended by the President and the First Lady. "What is taking place in America," she said, "is a war against the child. And if we accept that the mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another."
"Any country that accepts abortion, is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants."
"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
Mother Teresa with a Rosary in her hand was unafraid to stand before the United Nations or the President of the United States or any personage in the world and deliver the message of the dignity of life.
May we follow her example please.
AdinarayanaPosted by: Dasuru Adinarayana at March 2, 2010 6:20 AM
I LOVE those Mother Teresa quotes, Adinarayana. Thanks for posting them.
A powerful one is this one:
"What is taking place in America," she said, "is a war against the child. And if we accept that the mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another."
Thank you, Louise. As much as we tend to disagree, we just have to take this one step at a time and remember that until our largest task is done, we are for all intents and purposes, allies in this fight.Posted by: xalisae at March 2, 2010 7:58 AM
Jake you say "Anyone seeing those pictures would be horrified." Ask yourself why people would be horrified by those pictures. Why, if abortion is such an unqualified good that it must be supported without thought, should pictures of those who have been aborted be disturbing in the least?
It's because those pictures show the humanity of the children killed by abortion. It's easy to talk about "choice" but it's a whole 'nother thing to look that choice in the face. Perhaps the "horror" you feel when looking at their tiny body is your conscience reminding you that it is wrong to kill.Posted by: Lauren at March 2, 2010 8:29 AM
Okay everyone...gonna jump in here. My brother is a major in the USMC. He has been to Iraq multiple times during this long war. Did you know that our troops are building schools for the Iraqi children? Did you know our troops are building water works to bring fresh water to war torn areas? Did you know our troops play with the kids and pass out treats? My brother used to get so mad at the liberal communist media because HE WAS THERE. He saw it! The Iraqis would cheer when they saw the troops because we brought peace to their towns. The children would run up and hug our soldiers.. yeah..you never see that on CNN.
All those horrible videos and photos of burned children are from bombs set off by the MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!! These freaks blow up their own children! They kill innocent civilians.
War is a horrible thing. Its sometimes necessary to wage war to protect our country and thus our own families. Do I agree with the Iraq war? no, not necessarily. But I am not some idiot hippie who thinks smoking pot will cure the ills of the war. Defense is sometimes necessary. War is sometimes necessary.
And another thing..the fact that these jihadists will kill kids in order to advance their "cause' reminds me of all these pro-aborts like Artemis, Angie etc...who proudly kill their children and brag about it, all to advance some godless political cause. sick.Posted by: Sydney M. at March 2, 2010 9:32 AM
Gerald wrote: "For example, you all choose the extreme of "Murder is never an option". It is this position that forces the likes of me to take the opposition extreme position of "Murder is always an option". "
Way to go genius!!
Why thank you gerald, I am glad you have seen my genius. Let's take this little quote from you and examine it. Hmmm...seems to me that murder is an option, even in today's society. Murder in self defense, the death penalty, heck, even assisted suicide in some states is allowed. Now, I don't want murder to be at the extreme, ie I don't want murder to always be the option, nor do I want murder to never be an option. Seems to me society agrees, since citing my examples above murder is indeed justifiable. So you see, I am happy in the middle ground. Are you keeping up Gerald? Am I going to fast. That was the point of my post, I would like a middle ground for abortion. The pictures above clearly demonstrate late term abortions of probably viable babies (one can't be sure though). You all can't seem to even want to consider any concessions that may reduce abortions, which is ultimately a good thing...even I agree with that. So by choosing extremes, expect the opposition to come back at you with extremes. That was the point.Posted by: Jake at March 2, 2010 4:40 PM
(a) your examples aren't actually murder. They're killing, but not technically murder.
(b) similar examples are acceptable for abortion-for example, in the case of a genuine threat to the mother's life (not technically abortion, either)
(c) do you know Gerard's stance on the death penalty or euthanasia? Weak arguments to make with limited knowledge.
First, learn how to read. The name is Gerard, not Gerald.
Secondly, you couldn't outpace a turtle, so no, you're not going too fast. Now listen genius, you're embarassing yourself without knowing it.
There is no such thing in society as murder in self-defense. Got that bright light?
Murder is the premeditated taking of an innocent human life. For other kinds of taking of human life, the courts use different words, such as homicide and manslaughter. Then they attach different degress to these.
In capital punishment, the prisoner is not murdered. The cause of death on the death certificate usually reads homicide, which in the case of the state is a justifiable use of deadly force against a person who has committed murder, and is employed by the state when it is deemed that the murderer presents an unacceptable risk to other innocent members of society.
Still with me?
Saying that you are for abortion simply because others are against it is really pretty anti-intellectual and shows you to be a rather thoughtless, purely reactionary person. You really don't want a middle ground for abortion, or you would plant your flag there and fight for that ground.
Pro-lifers are admittedly a bit more intelligent and thoughtful than you have demonstrated yourself to be. We also can't accept the murder of some, but not others. We're fighting for no murders, just as the abolitionists were not content to live in a nation with some states having slavery and some states being free.
I'll bet that you actually would have supported the status quo before the Civil War. The great mushy middle for great mushy brains.
Care to comment on rape, since you went down swinging on murder?Posted by: Gerard Nadal at March 2, 2010 5:09 PM
Hi MaryRose, I think you are missing the point as well. Whether or not Gerald agrees with capital punishment or not, this is example of murder, defined as killing someone with intention. How about Euthanasia (asia is full of kids no???....I joke, I joke!!), again, legal in certain states, currently being debated in my home state of MA. Again, this would be killing with intention. The point is, society, whether you like it or not, has compromised on murder. I would like to see the country move towards compromise on abortion. Of course, a major stumbling block is that you all consider abortion unjustifiable murder, whereas I certainly don't look at it that way.Posted by: Jake at March 2, 2010 5:11 PM
Gerard, sorry for the misspelling of your name, purely unintentional, I swear. But to the larger point, it is purely semantics, but to play along I will use your semantics in the abortion fight. So I don't think abortion is murder. But really Gerard, if you are clinging to semantics to win the argument then so be it.
As far as rape goes, well, I will use the silly argument you all through at me for abortion. Let's take the example of the plane and the cavity search. I would argue that a cavity search, when done without consent, is anal rape by digits (fingers if you will). I mean, we can all agree rape is about power right, not necessarily sexual gratification. So in the case where a terrorist is digitally raped....to save the viable lives of humans, then it is justified!!! Man, even I am impressed with that one.Posted by: Jake at March 2, 2010 5:25 PM
By the way, I say semantics because on the one hand you chose the legal definition of murder, whereas I am arguing the dictionary definition of kill. So because you think its murder, and I think its killing (lawfully by the way)....it really is just semantics. But you knew that right?Posted by: Jake at March 2, 2010 5:30 PM
Oh, and sorry, meant to type threw at me in previous post...not through...simple typo, typing to fast!!!Posted by: Jake at March 2, 2010 5:32 PM
Jake, dude, you really need to try to get a handle on the difference between killing in self-defence and killing a defenceless innocent baby. Hint: the baby is not attacking the mother, not even when the pregnancy (very, very rarely) is threatening the mother's life.
What I don't get is why people disagree with capital punishment but agree with abortion. So, it's not okay to execute a rapist, but it is okay to kill a rapist's child?
Pro-choicers are mad.Posted by: Louise at March 2, 2010 6:19 PM
Who said I was against capital punishment?? I never said that.
Fantastic point, Louise!!!Posted by: Sydney M. at March 2, 2010 7:45 PM
I didn't mean that you personally were against capital punishment, Jake, I was just making the point about those pro-choicers who are.
Your problem is that you cannot make distinctions when you accuse pro-lifers of not being pro-life b/c of our stances on other issues, such as just war theory, killing in self-defense, or capital punishment, all of which are quite different circumstances to abortion.
Due to those distinctions, it is reasonable to be both for capital punishment (for example) but against abortion, but it is not reasonable to be against capital punishment while being for abortion.
I only accuse you of making dubious claims about pro-lifers not being pro-life.Posted by: Louise at March 3, 2010 1:59 AM
Until humanity is on the brink will the world see life differently.Posted by: Jpatt at March 3, 2010 8:12 PM
It is hard to believe that so many have such a seared conscience that this can still go on.Posted by: Barbara at March 5, 2010 2:19 PM
How completely tragic. Those poor, innocent, defenseless babies. God have mercy on us.Posted by: Lise at March 5, 2010 3:10 PM
"How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts."
We try to teach, to persuade, our children and everyone to behave rightly. Realizing, though, the "fallen" state of mankind, we have government to threaten to, and punish, those who violate the standards of behavior established by law. Most will not rob, rape, murder without thinking of being punished. But for those who refuse to govern themselves, we have police, courts and prisons. All laws are someone's idea of right and wrong, with a penalty to be applied to those who violate the laws.Posted by: Al at March 8, 2010 11:58 AM