Nice little chuckle on a Sunday morning... ;)

I think the first is my favorite. XD

I still don't get why Jill says she doesn't care if people try to discredit her or lie about her but she banned Laura for what she said about her. I guess everything Laura said about Jill was true : /

The more this site becomes Jill's personal place to post whatever catches her fancy, the less it is becomes a pro-life blog...

I'm sorry you feel that way SFL. Jill posts on every pro life issue that comes up. Obama is the most pro choice president to ever run. The election, and whether Obama is in the spotlight is very much important to the prolife issue.

Not to mention that she took him on personally when getting the born alive infant act passed.

On weekends Jill puts up a provocative question, a poll, a few "jokes", to give the moderators a much needed break.

This site isn't "becoming" Jill's personal place, it always has been her personal place. She is just willing to share.

If you like, we can refund your money.

StudentFL: The more this site becomes Jill's personal place to post whatever catches her fancy, the less it is becomes a pro-life blog...

It is her blog, StudentFL. Why is Jill's much different from the Students for Life Illinois?

17th Jul, 2008
Register to Vote!
We can’t tell you who to vote for, but we can tell you to register and vote with a pro-life conscience!

Illinois:
State Voter Registration Website
Voter Registration Form [PDF]
‘08 Registration Deadline: October 7
Early Voting 22nd to 5th day before the election
http://sflillinois.org/

mk:If you like, we can refund your money.

Very good, mk! :^|

Hmmm...A pro-life blogger supporting politicians with strong anti-abortion stances and being critical of radically pro-abortion politicians? WHODA THUNKIT?!

The great mystery to me is why posters like Jess and StudentFL stick around a place that makes the so unhappy? Are they masochistic, or what?

I'm watching the HBO special on Chinese children.

SO sad :(

All of those girls being sold or aborted! All of those people with no choice at all :(

I still don't get why Jill says she doesn't care if people try to discredit her or lie about her but she banned Laura for what she said about her. I guess everything Laura said about Jill was true : /

Jess, the reason Laura was banned wasn't about her discrediting Jill. There were other reasons, which I will not be posting publicly.

If it were about her lies about Jill, then everyone who attempts to discredit or insult Jill would be banned, and we would only have pro-lifers here. So far, that is not the case.

I'm sorry that you miss Laura. I know you considered her a friend, but just try to remember that this is Jill's blog, and she has the right to allow or to disallow whoever she wants, for any reason whatsoever. Laura has the right to blog anywhere else that she likes.

The more this site becomes Jill's personal place to post whatever catches her fancy, the less it is becomes a pro-life blog...

This IS Jill's personal place, and always has been.

I have seen more pro-life issues here than I have ever seen at any other pro-life blog.

Jill somehow manages to squeeze in several pro-life topics a day during the week (which is a lot of work, by the way), and you're complaining about her posting an off topic on the weekend?

This is one of the most amazing articles I have ever read. Please, this is a must read. Here it is...

Contraception Why Not? by Dr. Janet Smith

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0002.html

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Questions...

1. Contraception: Was the Catholic Church or Secular Society's Predictions Correct?

Click on my name for more information (posts #2 and #3) before answering this question.

2. Does Contraception Really Prevent Abortion?

Mike

Mike,

I have been looking for a segue into this article/topic since I heard her on Relevant Radio last week.

The T shirt experiment is mind boggling...really makes you think.

mk,

I only brought this up because I was in a debate about the Face The Truth tour on another website. As you know when ever the Pro-Aborts are losing the debate on abortion, they have to bring up contraception. So I kept firing on them about the ills of contraception also. The other website is Families Against Planned Parenthood Blog.

Mike

Very good work. Well done, Mike.

Mike: 6:16: This is one of the most amazing articles I have ever read. Please, this is a must read. Here it is...

Contraception Why Not? by Dr. Janet Smith
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0002.html

Mike, This article is great! Do you know if it is available for sale in booklet form?

Mike: 6:16: This is one of the most amazing articles I have ever read. Please, this is a must read. Here it is...

Contraception Why Not? by Dr. Janet Smith
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0002.html

Mike, This article is great! Do you know if it is available for sale in booklet form?

Janet,

I know Dr. Janet Smith has a cd on this. Go to ...

http://www.omsoul.com/

and you can get a free cd on the top left of the screen. Also do a search on either "Janet Smith" or "Contraception Why Not".

Mike

MK, first of all, let's be honest here. Jill does not post on every pro life issue that comes up. In fact, she once responded to me in one of these comment threads, declaring that she supports the death penalty. Not as crucial as killing the unborn mind you, but still a pro-life issue.

Secondly, I have never spoken out against Jill taking on Senator Obama when he screwed us over with the Illinois Born Alive Protection Act. I look to Jill with GREAT admiration when it comes to this piece of legislation, both on the state and federal levels. The problem is that Jill and this blog are now a representative of the pro-life movement, both to many pro-lifers and our opponents in the pro-choice movement. I haven't seen Jill ever denounce this representation, as if to say 'Some of the posts in my blog represent my personal views and not that of the entire pro-life community.' This is why I get upset when I see general conservative politics being pushed on this site.

If you really want to refund me, then you will need to help me demonstrate to the country (and the world at that) that we as pro-lifers are much more than just conservatives and Christians pushing another one of our initiatives. The pro-life mission is much bigger than a lot of the semantics that are bounced around on this blog, though it is dubbed the 'pro-life pulse.'

Questions...

1. Contraception: Was the Catholic Church or Secular Society's Predictions Correct?

Click on my name for more information (posts #2 and #3) before answering this question.

2. Does Contraception Really Prevent Abortion?

Mike

Posted by: Mike at July 20, 2008 6:16 PM
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Of course contraception prevents abortions. Duh. So does miscarriage. It comes down to who you believe should be in control of women's bodies and life experience. The woman or a concept/theory of a puppet master.
Funny how some of you folks, in your frenzy to attribute human experience to embryos, negate any capability of humanity and suffering to women.

Janet,

Students for Life of Illinois does not advocate nor insinuate advocating any political party or frame of thought. We blog on issues pertaining to life. One of those issues is voting for pro-life politicians (not all of which are Republicans). Can you not see the difference between encouraging pro-life voting habits and acting as a conservative pundit (which at times is what this blog is perceived to be.)?

"The great mystery to me is why posters like Jess and StudentFL stick around a place that makes the so unhappy? Are they masochistic, or what?"

I am not unhappy being here, Doyle. I always enjoy reading up on the blogs of fellow pro-lifers.

I cannot help that I am frustrated with how the movement is perceived today.

Once again, my problem is not what Jill posts on this blog. My problem is that she posts it on this blog and seems to expect it to still be a representative of the pro-life movement.

StudentFL: If you don't agree, state your views. That's what the blog is for.

Of course contraception prevents abortions. Duh. So does miscarriage. It comes down to who you believe should be in control of women's bodies and life experience. The woman or a concept/theory of a puppet master.

Sally,

***Does Contraception Really Prevent Abortion?***

Hello, I am Fr. Tom Euteneuer, President of Human Life International, the world’s largest pro-life organization. Welcome to this series on contraception. I hope you can spare just a few minutes to view this important message.

This video series is a mini-catechesis about contraception from the Church’s point of view. I won’t try to cover every angle of the matter or say everything that could be said about the subject. My purpose is to deal concisely with some of the misconceptions about contraception in the general culture and offer a common sense response. I also hope that this email may be a tool that you will forward to others to evangelize our culture of death.

Now, our first topic is the question of whether contraception really prevents abortion.

It’s a common notion that if we have more contraception we would have less abortion. On the surface, it appears logical—just provide the means to more effectively prevent so-called unwanted pregnancies and that will reduce the number of unwanted babies and therefore abortions. But is this true? Has this theory proven itself, in any setting, in any society or country? My extensive travels and research in 49 countries of the world say no… but for a case study, let’s look at the United States.

We can count at least 15 types of contraception readily available to almost anyone at any time, day or night—and yet we’re faced with a staggering rate of abortion. One out of every three pregnancies in this country ends in abortion. According to the above logic, as the availability of contraception has increased we should have seen a dramatic decrease in the numbers of abortions, but 1.3 million abortions a year prove that this logic is fatally flawed. We are only fooling ourselves if we think that widely-available contraception reduces abortion.

In reality, rather than reducing abortions, contraception actually promotes and increases the numbers of abortions. Here’s how.

Let’s first consider one basic fact: Abortion is a multi-billion dollar business, and no business wants to reduce its bottom line. While you and I work towards eliminating abortion, the abortion industry has a vested interest in increasing those numbers. More abortions simply mean more profit. Granted, some embrace abortion for other reasons, but profit is the bottom line of the abortion business. In 2004 Planned Parenthood made about $90 million in revenues just selling abortion to American women.

And, their clients: women with unexpected and unwanted pregnancies

continued (Part 2)…

Given this client base, there are three main reasons why the abortion industry needs contraception:

The first is that the increase of contraceptive use increases the amount of promiscuity in a culture. Contraception severs the link between sexual union and childbearing. No longer is sexual activity the exclusive domain of marriage but can be treated as a recreational activity supposedly without the responsibility of children. The so-called unwanted pregnancies that result from a promiscuous contraceptive culture are what drive the demand for abortion. Remember—the more promiscuity, the more unwanted pregnancies there are, and the more unwanted pregnancies, the more abortions there will be.

Secondly, all methods of contraception fail to prevent pregnancy a certain percentage of the time either through flaws in the method or through misuse. People have been so indoctrinated with the “safe sex” message that the potential for contraceptive failure is never even considered—until it happens of course—and then, faced with a crisis, people turn to quick fix solutions to escape the problem that was created by contraception in the first place. According to the Guttmacher Association, an affiliate of Planned Parenthood, close to 60% of all women going into abortion mills do so because their contraception has failed. In other words, they are using abortion as a back-up to failed contraception.

Finally, contraception does not prevent abortion because contraception is, in many cases, a form of abortion. Medical science informs us that all hormonal methods of contraception may actually cause abortions at the earliest stages of pregnancy due to their chemical assault on the lining of the uterus which forbids the implantation of a newly-conceived baby a certain percentage of the time. That’s chemical abortion, and in the end we have the same result as surgical abortion: the death of an innocent human being.

The moral of the story is that contraception kills not only life but also love. It teaches people to be selfish and sexually irresponsible; it robs people of the only gifts they can really give: the gift of self to another in marriage and the gift of life. This is why the notion that contraception reduces the need for abortion is an idea that has to be challenged if we are really committed to reducing the number of abortions. The way to do that is to teach people to be self-controlled, to remind them that sex belongs in marriage and that contraception is just another way of buying into the culture of death, whether married or not.

Well I'll end here and ask you to pick up the torch; please send this email to as many people as you can which you can do by clicking the forward button just below this screen, and then check out further resources on contraception on our website at http://www.hli.org.

Church Militant, keep up the good fight for the soul of our nation. God bless you!

–Fr. Thomas Euteneuer
President of Human Life International

Janet, I have stated my views before. I am very conservative on some issues, and quite liberal on many others. But once I defended pro-life democrats, I was slammed on here (in part by Jasper) for even associating in part with the Democratic Party. One gentleman even called me "Student for Abortion."

I'm often offended when I hear pro-choicers called 'pro-abortion,' especially when it is to further divide what separates us. I was pretty hurt by being called this myself, as I have been pro-life all my life, and yet nothing was done about it.

I try to state my views as simply as I can. I just want everyone to know that none of my comments are ever intended to divide, but rather to bring the movement together so as to discuss the problems I'm perceiving from within. I believe we need to start discussing the fact that we are much bigger than the right wing, Christian faction that we are perceived by many to be.

I feel we do the pro-life movement an injustice when we don't do everything we can to improve it, and open discussion about our beliefs is something that can improve it greatly.

I firmly and whole-heartedly believe that we could make HUUUGE strides as pro-lifers if we better displayed the diversity within the pro-life movement so as to show how important this cause is :)

I agree with you on that point, StudentFL, especially in light of the last post by Mike. Remember, kids, using sex for anything other than pleasing your husband or having babies is evil and wrong, and we should all long for the good 'ol days of women not even knowing what orgasms are, let alone actually having them, and standing barefoot in the kitchen, making sure she has dinner ready for her husband she's stuck with regardless of how he treats her because there's no way she can make ends meet on her own with no education and 6 kids. P.S., you'd better make sure that fertilized egg implants, because if you don't, that's murder, and it makes baby Jesus cry.

Yes, StudentFL, I myself never tire of being lumped in with so-called "contraceptive-minded pro-aborts"

Okay, X, that was just a bit ridiculous. I recently watched an interview of Janet Smith M.D. who was discussing oral contraceptive research and its findings. One of the findings in this research was that the pill lowers testosterone levels in women thereby reducing their libido so how does that make a woman's sex life more satisfying? Women are less interested in sex when on the pill. Why don't you look up information on natural family planning? You may be pleasantly surprised by what you find.

Well, I've taken the pill, and I've been a pregnant/breastfeeding mother, and the latter killed my libido more than the former. But honestly, if I said that there are times I want to have sex purely for my enjoyment, and no other reason, what would you think of that? Would you find anything wrong with that? And if so, wouldn't the libido-killing pill be a good thing?

Doyle, why do you think this blog makes me unhappy? I really enjoy discussing topics on here.

And fine, what is your problem with masochists? Better to be a masochist then a sadist, don't you think?

Well, I've taken the pill, and I've been a pregnant/breastfeeding mother, and the latter killed my libido more than the former. But honestly, if I said that there are times I want to have sex purely for my enjoyment, and no other reason, what would you think of that? Would you find anything wrong with that? And if so, wouldn't the libido-killing pill be a good thing?

Posted by: xalisae at July 20, 2008 11:44 PM
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Not a Jilly will answer.

"One of the findings in this research was that the pill lowers testosterone levels in women thereby reducing their libido so how does that make a woman's sex life more satisfying? "

I have been on the pill for four years now and I still find myself highly interested in having experiences of a sexual nature.

I find kissing most enjoyable.

Oh, and Eileen, at this point in my life I have no need for "natural family planning" (Catholic contraception), as I've had my tubes tied, and my husband will be getting his vasectomy when he gets back to the states, just to be sure. Not that we wouldn't gladly welcome another child into our family were we to be surprised in such a manner, of course. :D

Xalisae, God is probably watching you thinking, "She thinks some little surgery will keep me from giving her a baby? Well, well let me prove her wrong!"

I bet within 6 months of your husband getting back from surgery you're preggers.

Jess, between the both of us, it'll be two surgeries, and if He'll be looking down and watching me, He's a pervert. SoMG, that one about the stork is hilarious, but I think I've heard it before. Did you catch my simile of political/societal evolution juxtaposed to actual evolution? If so, do you have any thoughts to add?

And honestly, Jess, I really would be very happy to have another child with my husband. It certainly would take a lot of adjustment, and I'm nearly positive he'd be somewhat upset at the least, but I did always want at least a medium-sized family, so I think it'd be nice, if not practical. Although I will admit I'm not too keen on having another one if the next turns out a comparable size to Junior. That was kind of rough.
(He just about completely woke himself up by laughing loudly in his sleep just now. He's so cute when he does that.)

Soooo....X,
You freak when someone talks derogatory about atheism but have no problem calling God, who many of us love and adore a perv??? And not SoMG???

You can giggle all you want at his attempts at humor but his disgusting comments are deleted. He is banned for good.

Student,

Well those are some legitimate gripes. My answer would be that Jill IS a conservative Christian Pro lifer and her blog reflects that. While her actual posts might be biased toward conservative christianity, her comments are open to all prolifers.

Plead your case. Show us where we're wrong. Or where you're right. The pro life views on here are as diverse as the people. No two views are exactly the same and no two people are exactly the same.

I agree, that sometimes we pit ourselves against each other, but readers can then see that we aren't all cookie cutters of Jill.

Heck, I'm a Catholic, but I don't feel offended when Jill focuses on her many protestant leaders.
I'd never even heard of James Dobson til I came here. But I never feel like she is slighting Catholics. We are allowed to speak up and have many opportunities to express our viewpoint here.

So has PIP and X and Hippie. I just think that when you come here, you know that the title of the blog is JILL STANEK/PRO LIFE, which to me says you will be getting Jill Staneks particular flavor of pro life.

Students for Life, obviously, is not about one persons slant on the pro life movement. Jill's is.

X,

I'm sorry you feel that your views aren't taken seriously. I think sometimes you read more into the disagreements than is there. We each have our own take on the prolife issue, and we each come with our own baggage. I see it all through the Catholic Churches eyes. Jill and Bethany see it through scripture. PIP sees it through science. There is no right or wrong reason for being pro life. There are just many jumping off points.

I think you bring a fresh viewpoint and you're particular way of seeing the movement is important. You will attract like minded thinkers.

Of course there is going to be discussion and disagreement. That's the point of having a blog.

But don't take it so personally. By now you should be fairly familiar with each of our ways of debate. Some of us use sarcasm (that would be you and me) some of us use scripture, some of us use logic, and yes, some of us use less diplomatic means.

But honestly, very few of us are mean spirited. I once likened Jasper to a big ol' dog, clumsy but big hearted, and Hisman is very passionate. So sometimes what they say can get to you, but they don't mean to be hurtful. Any more than you do.

I mean, how do you think this is supposed to help?

you'd better make sure that fertilized egg implants, because if you don't, that's murder, and it makes baby Jesus cry.

Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, those words could have been hurtful to those of us that believe? You see? You're not above hitting below the belt either. Or making people with differing views, feel rather small.

SoMG,

Keep fighting them my friend! You can do this. There is no reason that they have to control your life. You CAN take your life and your soul back...we're pulling for you.

I pled your case in the chapel yesterday (felt like a spiritual lawyer)...I begged, literally begged, for your soul...but you're gonna have to work with me. Fight them. Stand up to them...

Just imagine waking up and finding that they're all gone and the beautiful little boy that lives inside of you is free once again. A fresh start. A new beginning. All the nightmares gone. No more puppet. Free at last, free at last...

C'mon. Take my hand...they're strong now. But we're stronger...reach, man, reach...!

SoMG,

* In the places I go there are things that I see
That I never could spell if I stopped with the Z.
I'm telling you this 'cause you're one of my friends.
My alphabet starts where your alphabet ends!

* So, on beyond Z!
It's high time you were shown
That you really don't know
All there is to be known.

I read the quote of the day and thought "Wow! Who's the genius that wrote that??? They really understand abortion and where it comes from!"

Then I saw that it was a Psalm. From 5000 years ago. Wow! Just, Wow. Didn't even know they had Planned Parenthoods back then!

The wicked conceive evil; they are pregnant with trouble and give birth to lies.
*
They dig a pit to trap others and then fall into it themselves.
*
They make trouble, but it backfires on them. They plan violence for others, but it falls on their own heads.

It was 3000 years ago, ehh? I think King David was around 1000 B.C...

Bobby,

I didn't think that Planned Parenthood was around 5000 years ago. 3000 makes much more sense! ;)

Sorry.
I said SoMG was banned when he is in timeout for 2 weeks. My bad.

Just a quick comment on Sherri Shepherd.
She pretty much dispells the pro-abort propaganda that women do not use abortion for birth control.

Just a quick comment on Sherri Shepherd.
She pretty much dispells the pro-abort propaganda that women do not use abortion for birth control.
Posted by: Sandy at July 21, 2008 9:38 AM

some women? All women? One woman? what are you talking about?

Xalisae, I lost some respect I had for you, when you demeaned those (supposedly on your own side) as you did yesterday.

You imply that you are the outcast within the pro-life community, who is treated badly by others because of your support of contraception, but how are you treating others who do not agree with you? How do you think you make us feel when you say things like, "you'd better make sure that fertilized egg implants, because if you don't, that's murder, and it makes baby Jesus cry."

I don't believe any of us here have ridiculed your beliefs in this manner...why would you treat us that way? For what reason?

Bethany,

I cannot speak for Xalisae, but I have had my beliefs ridiculed and demeaned on this blog by "Christians" on a few occasions.

I try not to let it bother me. I know that as an anti-abortion athiest not all my beliefs will be in agreement with the majority of pro-lifers. I just try to focus on what we do have in common, the belief that the taking of an unborn baby's life is wrong.

I believe you, Bee, and I appreciate the fact that you try to focus on what we have in common.

Oh and I meant to also say that I'm sorry you've been ridiculed on occasion. I am kind of sick and finding it hard to organize my thoughts.

Thanks, Bethany. There's no need for you to apologize. There are enough kind and respectful people who post here to make up for the thoughtless few.

Hope you're feeling better soon.

Bee,
I appreciate your sentiments!! :)

So we have several non-theist pro-lifers on here. There's Bee, X, pro-life atheist, Mary, Doyle, Raving Atheist (he sometimes posts here). That's a great group. Am I missing anyone?

Bethany, being someone who sees abortion as really, literally killing your kids, then having people say you've done so through taking the pill, or saying that using the pill means you will kill your kids...it's disturbing, especially when you all are ignoring the science of the intended purpose of this pill you're constantly demonizing to say such things, and with the proper treatment and a different attitude, this pill could be a valuable weapon in the arsenal against abortion.

PIP?

PIP is a theist, and has what might be called "Christian/Catholic tendencies." PiP and I have discussed this before, and she's still somewhat in the figuring things out phase and I don't know if she would use the term Christian to describe herself, but she definitely is a theist.

Yup, Bobby is right, I am a theist, but past that things are still kind of hazy and I haven't quite figured it out yet. I grew up Christian but there are many issues that cloud what I thought my faith used to me.

"Pro-abort/safe sex" types most times do not stress the failure rates of these methods, I believe in large part because they have an interest in women getting pregnant, because SOME of those women are going to abort, and they want their 500 bucks. But the religious end of the spectrum is just as bad, trying to rob women of the same sexual fulfillment men enjoy, and stressing how bad any sex outside of marriage and procreation is while totally ignoring the reality that women ARE having sex and going to have sex, so let's deal with it instead of just telling them how terrible they are.

Bethany, being someone who sees abortion as really, literally killing your kids, then having people say you've done so through taking the pill, or saying that using the pill means you will kill your kids...it's disturbing, especially when you all are ignoring the science of the intended purpose of this pill you're constantly demonizing to say such things, and with the proper treatment and a different attitude, this pill could be a valuable weapon in the arsenal against abortion.

What makes the conceived unborn any different than the implanted unborn, Xalisae? That's arbitrary, just as arbitrary as the idea of viability changing the unborn's status from non-person to person.

Yes, I think that there is a difference in intent when you compare abortion and birth control pills, which is why I don't think that people who use birth control pills are 'evil' for doing so,...

however, I do seek to inform as many people as possible of what they are putting into their bodies. Most pro-lifers I know appreciate being let on to it, as I did when I was first let in on what was kept secret from me by my doctors.

If I had had any inkling that the third function of the pill was to kill an already conceived child, when I took the pill years ago, I never would have taken it.

I don't see how "baby Jesus crying" has anything to do with my belief that the birth control pill is abortive?

It was only when I was let in on the scientific facts that I changed my mind about birth control pills. It had nothing to do with religion and by the way, Jesus isn't a baby.

"I grew up Christian but there are many issues that cloud what I thought my faith used to me."
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Hey PIP..have you ever thought of attending "theology on tap" sessions?

I mean, they're a great starting place for your questions...

Indeed, RSD. PiP, I don't know if you've revealed where you go to school on the blog (so I won't, but I think you have...), but I would have to imagine that there are lots and lots of oppertunities where you are for discussion along the lines of what RSD mentioned, if you're interested. God love you.

But the religious end of the spectrum is just as bad, trying to rob women of the same sexual fulfillment men enjoy, and stressing how bad any sex outside of marriage and procreation is while totally ignoring the reality that women ARE having sex and going to have sex, so let's deal with it instead of just telling them how terrible they are.

Posted by: xalisae at July 21, 2008 1:37 PM

I don't know about other churches or religions but as a Catholic, I know that the Catholic Church isn't trying to stifle a woman's sexual enjoyment. The Church teaches what is does for the physical, moral and spiritual good of the whole person, man or woman. To think that God is a "perv" as you put it is a result of a distorted view of sex, I think, as a result of the contraceptive mentality. When people contracept, they are basically holding back a part of themselves (their fertility). The act of marital love is an icon of the self-giving love of the Trinity: The Father gives entirely to the Son, the Son returns the Love which is the Holy Spirit. A man and a woman give themselves to one another in self-giving love and sometimes another human being is created out of that love. Personally, I want God right there with my husband and me, blessing our union. In her writings on the mystical union, St. Teresa of Avila refers to total union with God, that is the highest form of union one can experience with God before Heaven, as spirtual marriage. God surrenders Himself to the soul after the soul has sought God in love and humility, persevering in prayer and the practice of the virtues.
Sometimes I just have to resond to truly unjust judgments against the Church.

Hey guys, I go to Saint Louis University and yes these things are here, but some of those I will just have to think about on my own and do some research by myself before I do anything. Then, I will have relevant questions when I go to someone who has answers.

Well, I've taken the pill, and I've been a pregnant/breastfeeding mother, and the latter killed my libido more than the former. But honestly, if I said that there are times I want to have sex purely for my enjoyment, and no other reason, what would you think of that? Would you find anything wrong with that? And if so, wouldn't the libido-killing pill be a good thing?

Posted by: xalisae at July 20, 2008 11:44 PM
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Not a Jilly will answer.
Posted by: Sally at July 21, 2008 12:25 AM

Sorry, meant to address your questions and forgot.
I'll answer the second question, first. No, I don't think that it is necessary to "kill the libido", it's a part of our sexual nature. Our sexuality is a gift. The Church teaches to use it responsibly since it can bring about another human being and because it produces such a strong bond between a man and woman. One reason why the Church objects to artificial contraception is because the woman using it can potentially become an sexual object. Hence the danger of wanting sex purely for the physical enjoyment. Our physical desires need to be ordered not only for our good but for the good of others. Yes, sex feels good but it is a donation of myself to my spouse and my spouse to me. If I look only for the physical pleasure to be had then it becomes selfish. One can also turn the procreative aspect into a selfish end. I suppose there have been people who only want a baby without thinking about the bonding or unitive aspect of intercourse also.

You are awesome, Eileen.

Eileen: Personally, I want God right there with my husband and me, blessing our union.

The Sacrament of Marriage (or Matrimony) also brings a husband and wife together in union with God, blessing the marriage. Those who choose not to marry are missing out on this wonderful sacrament and the graces which follow.

Right you are, Janet! There is so much to say and so little time sometimes!

Thanks, Bobby. I just want to spread the truth when I can and if people only knew how much God loves us and how the Truth sets us free! I have noticed how you do the same!