Tainted view of generic pill blues

A strange article in yesterday's Wall Street Journal put negative spin on one unintended consequence of the Deficit Reduction Act, signed into law last year by President Bush: birth control pill usage.

generic.jpgBecause of it, big pharma has had to raise prices of name brand birth control pills, which it previously sold to college "health centers" at a cut rate (which they then sold to students with a mark-up as a little money maker).

Now, "college students are making some tough choices, such as switching to cheaper generic brands...."

Since when is the chance to buy generic brands "tough"?

No, such a move could cause intelligent college women to falter, according to the article....

Such changes concern health professionals, who fear that switching is going to lead to unintended pregnancies by women who are less likely to consistently take a daily pill. "One of the seminal concepts in contraceptive medicine is when a woman is using a method correctly and successfully, the last thing you want to do is change her from that," says Lee Shulman, board chairman of the Association of Reproductive Health Professionals. "You don't want to change her unless there is an absolute medical necessity to do so."

He says even switching from one type of daily pill to another can pose new risks for side effects and discomfort, potentially leading women to stop taking it.

Dr. Shulman may be right. Just yesterday I became hopelessly confused when attempting to substitute generic rice cereal in my Rice Krispie Treats recipe.

Actually, the author of this article, Anne Marie Chaker, either failed to mention or failed to research the fact that Shulman is tied in numeous financial knots to big pharma.

shulman.jpg ARHP (launched by Alan Guttmacher and Planned Parenthood) has received a $3 million grant from Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp. "to promote oral contraceptives," according to ARHP's website, a $1.2 million grant from Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories for "a training series on Norplant," and a $2.4 million educational grant from the Upjohn Company, maker of Depo-Provera.

More importantly, Shulman is a consultant and/or on the speakers' bureaus of and/or received grant and research support from DuraMed Pharmaceuticals (maker of Seasonique extended-cycle oral contraceptives and subsidiary of Barr Pharmaceuticals, maker of Plan B emergency contraceptive), Wyeth Pharmaceuticals (maker of Lybrel oral contraceptive), Berlex, Inc. (maker of Yaz oral contraceptive), GlaxoSmithKline (maker of Elogen oral contraceptive), Ortho-McNeil (maker of Ortho Eva birth control patch and Ortho Tri-Cyclen birth control pill), , and Warner Chilcott (maker of Ferncon Fe, the first chewable birth control tablet).

No wonder Shulman is alarmed. Tsk-tsk, WSJ.

Nevertheless, isn't the liberal view usually that comsumption (like cigarette smoking and car usage) drops when prices rise? Not so here.


Comments:

People like this are liars for hire or more commonly known as whores.

Posted by: HisMan at July 27, 2007 12:38 PM


I'm not sure what the numbers are but here's a hypothetical. Perhaps Jill can fine tune the estimate.

If 20,000,000 US women were having irresposnible and immoral sex (not married) once per month that would be 240,000,000 sex acts per year.

If all of these women were taking birth control pill responsibly at least 1% of them would still get pregnant over the course of the year. That's 2,400,000 unintended pregnancies.

If 40% of these women had abortions, this would account for the 1,000,000 abortions we have each year in this country.

I think as pro-lifers, we have to admit that people will continue to have immoral sex. Even if we we to get half od these people to stop their wicked ways, the number of abortions would still be enormous.

The only solution is to make abortion illegal again and to force people to face the consequences of their immoral behavior.

Morality would improve and the number of abortions would plummet.

Posted by: HisMan at July 27, 2007 1:04 PM


His Man, I agree. I really hate to get on the celebrity kick again, but allow me to do so once more to make a point. I enjoy Madonna as an entertainer. I really do. I saw one of her books one day, and decided to buy it. I was really shocked to read that Madonna admits to at least 6 abortions. I know, I know....it's Madonna. However, here is a woman who could have afforded condoms or B/C pills made of solid friggin gold! Why didn't she ever make an effort to protect herself? Abortion is so freely available. It proves to me that it isn't just for the poor women who cannot afford a child. It's also just for the extremely selfish.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 2:03 PM


sorry for the double post. My computer is running slow today.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 3:08 PM


I realize that the topic is B/C. I feel that if you really feel that you can't control your sex drive, then at the very least, get a condom. My friend has AIDS because he had gay sex without one. At least a condom could have saved him from this fate.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 3:15 PM


HisMan, 1:04p, said: "The only solution is to make abortion illegal again and to force people to face the consequences of their immoral behavior."

HisMan, I understand what you're trying to say.

But the reason to make abortion illegal again is because abortion kills children.

A side benefit of that is that people would think twice before engaging in illicit sex and likely not do so as often. Those that do anyway and face unintended pregnancies would more often place their babies for adoption rather than kill them as they do now.

The world would be a better place all the way around.

Posted by: Jill Stanek Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 3:48 PM


Wait, Hisman, so now sex is immoral if it is out of wedlock? Talk about irony. There are plenty of children who were born out of wedlock (I myself being one) and they are not immoral and would probably be offended if you imply that (which I am gathering that you are).

Now on to you "morals" argument. There is one major problem with morals: no two persons will have the exact same morals as another person. I know for a fact, that your morals are almost the complete opposite of mine, so therefor, we can never truly agree on what is moral and what is not. We will continue to go around and around in circles until the Apocalypse happens.

Now about BC pills. Not every BC pill has a generic yet. I take Yasmin, and guess what? GASP, it doesn't have a generic. It costs me $54 a month to get it filled, and that's with insurance discount. I have tried switching to a generic brand, and I had major complications with it (and I shall not go into too much detail on here, for it might offend someone). So I had to switch back to Yasmin. Yes, it is more expensive, but it works the best for me and my body.

Now then, I should all just throw out there for everyone, that I was not initially put on BC pills so I could have lots of immoral sex. I have problems with ovarian cysts (if not on BC pills), and the Doc's thought I had endometriosis for a while there as well. So I am on it for a necessary medical reason.

OK, there is my rant for the day

Posted by: midnite678 at July 27, 2007 4:24 PM


Midnite,

Wait, Hisman, so now sex is immoral if it is out of wedlock? Talk about irony. There are plenty of children who were born out of wedlock (I myself being one) and they are not immoral and would probably be offended if you imply that (which I am gathering that you are).

Hisman did not say that the children of such exploits were immoral, he said the act of sex outside of marriage was immoral. If you have gotten nothing else from this site, I'd have figured you understood that no matter what the circumstances are that a child was conceived in, the child is not to blame.

I'm also a little surprised to find out that you thought we favored sex outside of marriage, or that you are shocked that we are of the opinion that premarital sex is immoral. Are you the same midnite that has been posting here for the last 4 months?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 4:48 PM


Midnite, I don't know why you keep defending that so much. No one has accused you of getting the birth control for anything else, as far as I can tell.
I'm sure you're not opposed to the other effects that come along with the pill, so I don't know why you continue argue against the idea so strongly. Why must you defend this, if you find nothing wrong with it?

Wait, Hisman, so now sex is immoral if it is out of wedlock? Talk about irony. There are plenty of children who were born out of wedlock (I myself being one) and they are not immoral and would probably be offended if you imply that (which I am gathering that you are).

Who ever said that children are immoral if they are conceived out of wedlock? It is the act of sex outside the boundaries of marriage that is referred to as immoral, NOT the children produced by such a union. (P.S. I am one of those children)

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 4:48 PM


Mk, we posted at the same time :D Looks like we had the same idea. lol

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 4:55 PM


Well Bethany,
When something is obvious, it's obvious...


Midnite,
Are you saying that you don't have sex outside of marriage and that you only use the pill for your cysts. Do you mean that if the cysts disappeared tomorrow, you'd go off the pill? That's awesome. Sorry if we accused you at any time of having illicit sex. Our mistake.

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 4:59 PM


OH, OH *waves her hands ala arnold horshak* I was conceived out of wedlock too! And I got pregnant before I was married...2 points for me...

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 5:03 PM


The way I am looking at this is: If sex outside of marriage is immoral, then the "consequences" of that action are immoral. Can you see how I am defining this?

MK: Yes I know that y'all do not favor "imorral" sex, aka outside of marriage. But you have got to understand that it is happening, and will continue to do so. The average age that someone looses their virginity in the U.S. is 14.5

And yes, I am the same Midnite that has been here for at least 4 months :-)

Bethany: I am not sure of what "other side effects" you are talking about. Would you please elaborate for me? And what HisMan said about BC pills is just wrong, not all women who are on them are "whores".

And when he says things like this : I think as pro-lifers, we have to admit that people will continue to have immoral sex. Even if we we to get half od these people to stop their wicked ways, the number of abortions would still be enormous. I just feel the need to explain to him that not all women are immoral whores, some need it for medical reasons.

And as I said, it was my rant of the day. Been a bad day (as has every day this month it seems)...

Posted by: midnite678 at July 27, 2007 5:07 PM


MK: I use the pill mainly for the cysts and the unbearable pain I have from cramps. For four days I lay in the bed in the fetal position crying b/c It KILLS me! I cant walk, I cant drive, I cant do anything but not move. It sucks. I don't see them going away time soon either. I also don't have a period every month, I have it every four months (only three times a year).

And not to mention, I am not going to tell you if I do or don't have sex with the BF, 1. it is my business and 2. I don't want y'all judging me more than you already have.

Posted by: midnite678 at July 27, 2007 5:13 PM


I'm sure you're not opposed to the other effects that come along with the pill,

I was speaking of the birth control effect, Midnite.

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 5:16 PM


haha Mk What I dont think people like Midnite understand is that just because we see an act as wrong, doesn't mean that we are condemning them or sitting in judgement of them for doing it.

I mean, when I say that stealing is wrong, am I being judgemental of a person? Am I consciously looking at people and if I know they have stolen in their life, am I looking at myself as better than them, simply because they did something that was immoral? There could be someone who shoplifted who is posting on this board right now...maybe they feel offended when I stealing is wrong, and think I was judging them. Would they be correct in coming to this conclusion? I certainly don't think so.

I don't understand why people can't separate an *action* from a *person*... like they feel that because we think homosexuality is wrong, we automatically must hate homosexual people, when nothing could be further from the truth.

When someone says that illicit sex is wrong, it doesn't mean we automatically hate anyone who is promiscious. In fact, many of us understand more than you would think about the reasons that one is this way... but it doesn't mean that the action is still justifyable. We just believe it's wrong, just as many other things are wrong.

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 5:17 PM


Midnite,
Again, Hisman did NOT say that women who use birth control are whores. He said the manufacturers of the pill are whores. As in "People like this are liars for hire or more commonly known as whores."

What you printed is Hisman saying that sex outside of marriage is wicked. People who have sex outside of marriage are performing a wicked act. He did not call you wicked.

And you didn't answer me. If your cysts cleared up tomorrow would you go off the pill?


But you have got to understand that it is happening, and will continue to do so. The average age that someone looses their virginity in the U.S. is 14.5a

And people are murdered everyday. Should we sell them axes and guns at a discount?

Pedophiles molest young children everyday. Should we give them condoms so they don't spread disease?

People rob 7-11's everday. Should we give them candy bars to keep up their energy.

Men rape women everyday. Should we line up for them so as to save them the trouble of hunting us down?

Parents abuse their children everyday. Should we provide them with belts and manuals on how not to leave marks?

You want me to condone and immoral behavior, or tolerate an immoral behavior because it happens everyday?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 5:18 PM


....just like you think that intolerance is wrong, Midnite. Do you hate people who are intolerant, or do you hate the intolerance? Your answer could possibly shed light on the reasons why you can't separate someone disliking actions, and disliking the people who do those actions.

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 5:18 PM


Midnite,

I didn't ask you if you had sex with "the boyfriend". I asked you if your cysts cleared up tomorrow, would you go off the pill?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 5:21 PM


And people are murdered everyday. Should we sell them axes and guns at a discount?
Pedophiles molest young children everyday. Should we give them condoms so they don't spread disease?
People rob 7-11's everday. Should we give them candy bars to keep up their energy.
Men rape women everyday. Should we line up for them so as to save them the trouble of hunting us down?
Parents abuse their children everyday. Should we provide them with belts and manuals on how not to leave marks?
You want me to condone and immoral behavior, or tolerate an immoral behavior because it happens everyday?

Good point, Mk...I have never understood that defense!

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 5:21 PM


MK and Bethany, I am not understanding the NFP. Sorry, I'm in the dark so please don't laugh. Is that the rhythm method?

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 5:24 PM


As far as I know, Heather, that's what it is. But I don't know that much about it. I think it is charting your cycles and abstaining on the days you ovulate. But Mk would know more about it than me, most likely! :)

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 5:26 PM


Oh Sweetie,

We would never laugh at you. With you, yes.
But not at you. The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

NFP is when you track your temperature (it goes up when you ovulate) and you track your mucus. It changes during your cycle. You can tell when you are about to, or just have ovulated. It's extremely effective, tho you have to abstain during your fertile periods.

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 5:28 PM


I was only asking because my husband's brother and his wife have 7 children. They told me that they do NFP. She never really elaborated, so I assumed that's what it was.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 5:30 PM


And for me, that would be very difficult, because those are the days that I really find it difficult to stay away from my hubby! :D

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 5:30 PM


It also works wonderfully if you are trying to GET pregnant...It's just "working with your bodies natural rhythm"...which is very different, and I stress VERY DIFFERENT than the rhythm method which assumes that you ovulate on day 14.

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 5:32 PM


As for the the other side effects Bethany, I shall not answer b/c that would give away if I do indeed, have "immoral" sex outside of marriage. Also I do not hate anyone (besides Hillary Clinton, but hell, that is a given for a Southerner). I hate intolerance in and of itself. If people in this world could be more tolerant of other people (their views, their actions [not illegal onces of course] and their moral systems) I believe we could live together more peacefully. Intolerance is what causes hate crimes (based on gender, sexual orientation, or race), and "religious wars".

Posted by: midnite678 at July 27, 2007 5:32 PM


OK, so does that explain the ovulation kits @ the drugstores?

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 5:33 PM


Hisman: "If 20,000,000 US women were having irresposnible and immoral sex (not married) once per month that would be 240,000,000 sex acts per year."

Lots of married people have abortions.

(by the way, I'm hopeing they're having sex more than once per month....)

Posted by: hal at July 27, 2007 5:33 PM


And for me, that would be very difficult, because those are the days that I really find it difficult to stay away from my hubby! :D

Which is what God intended!

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 5:34 PM


BTW, thank you both [MK and Bethany] for answering my ?]

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 5:35 PM


Midnite,

The fact that you won't answer is an answer.
So the bottom line is that you are using the pill as a birth control method AND for medicinal purposes.

Which means that while I am sorry about your cysts, I cannot buy your argument.

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 5:36 PM


As for the the other side effects Bethany, I shall not answer b/c that would give away if I do indeed, have "immoral" sex outside of marriage. Also I do not hate anyone (besides Hillary Clinton, but hell, that is a given for a Southerner). I hate intolerance in and of itself. If people in this world could be more tolerant of other people (their views, their actions [not illegal onces of course] and their moral systems) I believe we could live together more peacefully. Intolerance is what causes hate crimes (based on gender, sexual orientation, or race), and "religious wars".

Okay, so if you can understand that you can hate an action (intolerance), and yet, still not hate the individual (who is intolerant), then why can you not believe that we can think that some things are wrong, and yet not hate the individual who does these things?

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 5:37 PM


My married friend DID have an abortion. She and her husband have 2 other children. He has never let her live it down! She wanted the abortion. He did not.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 5:38 PM


Hal, did your wife demand the abortions or did you pressure her? You will probably say it was mutual, but seriously, I usually think one person wants it more.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 5:41 PM


Midnite, we're not judging you. I was on the pill for *all* reasons myself before I was married. I think we have all been on the pill at one time or another.

Because we have come out of that, we're eager to help other people not make the same mistakes we did. My little sister was probably sleeping with her boyfriend. I don't judge her to be a "bad person", but I also would like her to know that that road doesn't lead to good things. We warn people we love so that they don't get hurt.

I know you don't think you will get hurt, but perspectives vastly change over time. I was a fairly promiscuous teenager, and that led to some pain in my married life. At the time of my sexual "adventures", I thought it was "no big deal". I didn't learn til later how big a deal it really is. It wasn't my age that changed my perspective, but rather the way my life was shaped. Even before finding God I realized that my lifestyle was causing me harm.

Anyways, just know that we're not judging you. We understand probably more than you think.

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 5:55 PM


Heather, I think she wanted the abortions more than me. I thought it was the correct decision. I certainly had no objection. If she had not, I would have not tried to convince her, although we would have dicussed it I'm sure. However, it was clearly the right choice in both occasions, and even now, 10 to 15 years later, we have "no regrets."

Posted by: Hal at July 27, 2007 5:59 PM


Wait, Hal. Are you saying that there was only a 5 year span between the abortions? Does parenthood really go from "too early" to "too late" in that time? I'm honestly curious.

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 6:02 PM


One was before our children were born and one was after. It was probably more than five years. I was only grossly estimating the time frame. the second one was not because parenthood was "too late." By then my wife had serious and chronic health problems. some other reasons as well. (none that would have tipped the scales if we were pro-life, but since we're not, we opted for abortion.)

Posted by: Hal at July 27, 2007 6:26 PM


I was honestly wondering about that. [married couples and abortion] When my friend and her husband argue, he calls her dreadful names. They pertain to the abortion. I think you can take a wild guess. It kind of shows me that abortion NEVER really goes away.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 6:29 PM


Hal, I'm also curious. Why did you and your wife feel pain after your wife's miscarriage?

I just remember that recently you said that you had suffered from such a loss and it had been hard on you.

I understand that expectations dropped can be disappointing, however, I don't know if you can truly feel the same depth of the suffering after a miscarriage that people who appreciate life feel, if you do not feel anything after the abortions.

How can you feel the loss of a child in one instance, but not feel the loss of the child in the other instance?

In one of your abortion instances, you said that it was regrettable that you "had" to abort. If this is true, then surely you would have felt SOMETHING, some loss, after the baby was aborted. If not, then how can you possibly explain how you feel something after a miscarriage? It makes absolutely no sense.

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 6:30 PM


Even though my friend is still pro choice, you can't tell me that those names don't hurt. She says "Ah, I just blow it off."

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 6:32 PM


Okay, maybe regrettable isn't the right word...you made it seem like if it weren't for your wifes' health problems, you may have kept the child. That's what I meant by regrettable.

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 6:32 PM


Hal, I would also like to hear your answer to Bethany's question.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 6:34 PM


MK, whatever happened to Samantha T.?

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 6:37 PM


Heather, I miss hearing from her too.

Posted by: Bethany at July 27, 2007 6:38 PM


Got to run. you asked some big questions, I'll try to get to them over the weekend.

Best to all.

Posted by: Hal at July 27, 2007 6:41 PM


Also, I wonder about Danielle.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 6:43 PM


I don't know where Samantha T went. What I'm wonderin' is, Where's Cameron? He hasn't posted since I analyzed him! Hope I didn't send him into therapy...lol

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 6:45 PM


Yes, I noticed that too. I know that Danielle's boyfriend didn't want her here. She told us so. I figured Cameron found himself a hot date.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 6:52 PM


I was wondering the same thing about cameron! Where is our resident snidemaster?

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 6:52 PM


Amanda is MIA too.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 6:53 PM


Now that you mention, Alyssa ran away with Harry and hasn't been back. Maybe she's dating Cameron?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 6:56 PM


Maybe they're on vacation.

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 6:56 PM


Oh no! It's just us, and we all agree!

Sooooo...how bout those cubbies?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 6:57 PM


Who? Cameron and Alyssa?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 6:58 PM


Well we need to stir up trouble then...

Protestants rule others droollorz!

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 7:03 PM


Phooey!

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 7:04 PM


Catholics are the Best!
Protestants are the Rest!

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 7:06 PM


What did the blonde say when she found out she was pregnant?

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 7:06 PM


what?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 7:07 PM


Hey I'm not Protestant OR Catholic so ;p

And the blonde said "oh no I ate a baby!"

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 7:08 PM


Is it mine?

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 7:08 PM


Hee Hee...

Sadly, I think some women really *do* feel that way despite *knowing* that it is.

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 7:10 PM


Heather,

Da-Da-ching!


Lauren,
That's cheating! What are you? Does it rhyme with anything fun?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 7:11 PM


Let me show you guys a quote I found from a choicer. It's scary stuff...

Because, let me be clear : I did not decide to become a mother because I was told I had a baby.

I am woman and as an autonomous being, I decide [when it] is a fetus becomes my baby.

This is not the job of any god.

This is not the job of any man.

This is not the job of any law.

I am woman : Life begins when I make the choice. (emphasis mine)
I had already chosen this baby as mine. I had already called myself a mother. Not to be, but made. My son's face was all that I awaited. Not motherhood, not 'life' because that already had arrived with my choice.

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 7:12 PM


Was she blonde?

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 7:13 PM


Hmm...let me think. Rock a stolic....Pentepostal

Eh. Nothing fun.

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 7:14 PM


All right ladies...enough for tonite...think I'll go and have a lie down...my head is pounding from this humidity. Talk again tomorrow...

Posted by: MK Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 7:15 PM


I don't think she was blonde...just on a power trip. Or maybe she was a blonde on a power trip aka. HILLARY!

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 7:16 PM


Goodnight MK, hope your head feels better.

Posted by: lauren at July 27, 2007 7:17 PM


Midnight678:

My morals are biblical morals. I did not make them up, I simply choose to live by them.

To live by any other moral system is moral relativism and is, I'm sorry to say, and again by biblical declaration, damnable.

Legal abortion is in direct rebellion to God's standards. No matter how pro-aborts try to twist God's words and change the meaning of words, His words do not change. Abortion was wrong at creation, it's wrong now.

Don't argue with me, argue with God. It's called prayer and if you really, really want to know, He will show you the way.

If you don't care about what God says and you reject Him and His offer of salvation through faith in Christ, that's called the unpardonable sin which is well, unforgivable. It doesn't have to be that way for you.

Posted by: HisMan at July 27, 2007 7:21 PM


I had to go give the baby a bath. Good night MK. I get those nasty H/A's too. Some of these pro choicers seem brain washed. Stuck on the body autonomy argument...*sigh*

Posted by: Heather4life at July 27, 2007 7:24 PM


for Heather4life,

'Its the 99% of abortionists who give all the rest a bad name!'

Posted by: John McDonell Author Profile Page at July 27, 2007 8:43 PM


MK,
I just noticed yesterday that my migraine started to go way when I turned the air conditioner on. I never thought the weather was giving me headaches.

Posted by: Rosie at July 27, 2007 8:49 PM


That's True Rosie, overcast/humid weather gives me headaches as well....the AC helps

Posted by: jasper at July 27, 2007 9:11 PM


John, I agree.

Posted by: Heather4life at July 28, 2007 9:19 AM


Midnight, 5:32p, said: "Also I do not hate anyone (besides Hillary Clinton, but hell, that is a given for a Southerner)."

LOL

Posted by: Jill Stanek Author Profile Page at July 28, 2007 9:34 AM


HisMan, 7:21p, said: "If you don't care about what God says and you reject Him and His offer of salvation through faith in Christ, that's called the unpardonable sin which is well, unforgivable."

Well, I never heard the unpardonable sin put that way, HisMan. It makes sense. Gotta think about it.

I've always been taught something rather more esoteric, that it's blaspheming the Holy Spirit, and if you worry about having done it, you haven't.

Posted by: Jill Stanek Author Profile Page at July 28, 2007 9:41 AM


Jill, I've always heard the same thing. Do you know that there are some people who issued the "atheist challange" where young people (highschool/college age) deny the Holy Spirit? You can see the videos on youtube.

Some of the people are quite lost, while others are obviously hesitent to damn themselves. I believe Diane did something similar so that we wouldn't "waste our time with her". Very sad.

Posted by: lauren at July 28, 2007 10:15 AM


*oops*
It seems it is called the blasphemy challange, not the atheist challange.

Posted by: lauren at July 28, 2007 10:18 AM


Lauren,

Why was that quote scary to you?

Posted by: Stephanie at July 28, 2007 1:54 PM


Stephanie, do you honestly believe that your "choices" dictate life? Do you believe that you can will someone into being or stop them from dying? I mean, honestly, do you really believe that?

I find it scary because the belief elevates the person to the level of God. Once a person believes that they control life, it isn't a far stretch to believing they can end it.

Posted by: lauren at July 28, 2007 2:22 PM


Heehee...I'm back, guys. Yes, Harry was a hot stud. No, I haven't been dating Cameron. (MK, YOU KNOW I HAVE A BOYFRIEND!! :P)

Anywho, even if I wasn't on BC for health reasons (doctors have done some tests on me and can't figure out why my cycles are so short...my aunt has the same problem and it was concluded that we might just have really short "normal cycles". Her daughter has the same thing, so it's obviously just one of those things that runs in the family...a "fast" cycle. Weird beyond belief.), I would still take birth control as a means of contraception. Even within marriage. Personally, even though I know many of you with disagree with my philosophy, I do not want to have a large number of kids. I only want three, tops, maybe only two if I get one boy and one girl off the bat. I will use birth control to space them out.

I'm not willing to use NFP because it seems to ruin the spontaneity of the sex act. It would be a real mood-killer to go "Oh, honey, not right now, I'm ovulating according to my cervical mucus and my raised body temperature", or to say "Oh, honey, we have three days to have sex out of my two-week cycle without fear of pregnancy". I will take my birth control responsibly, and I will have sex with my husband WHEN I want to without the intention of pregnancy, not when some method says I have to to make sure I don't get pregnant. It would completely make the sex act undesirable for me if my sex life with my husband was restricted to a few days out of a month.

Plus I hear that instead of killing sex drive, the specific pill (and its unique formulation) I'm on has the effect of raising it in some cases. My cousin, who was on it, said that her doctor informed her of this "risk". Oh darn. :D

Posted by: Lyssie at July 28, 2007 3:43 PM