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Abortion-Survivor Finds a Home: John XXIII Community Welcomes Baby Girl

Rome, February 8, Zenit.org: A 15-month-old girl whose parents tried to abort her because she is blind, but survived the procedure, has been adopted by a John XXIII Community household in Rome.

The community announced in a Feb. 2 press conference that the baby was diagnosed with an eye condition that blinded her, and her parents opted for abortion. But the pregnancy was already in the 22nd week, and the baby was born alive. Doctors, following Italian law, thus tried to save her and succeeded....

She weighed only 562 grams (1.2 pounds) and had to have a heart operation when she was ten days old. She had a brain hemorrhage, various infections and respiratory problems.

Her birth parents chose to give her up for adoption.

Now she is 15 months old and weighs 13 pounds; she has been with her new family for eight months.
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The mother of the community calls her a splendid child and says she is full of life. Though she was expected to be in the "vegetative state" after her experience, her new family affirms that she sucks her thumb, laughs and interacts with those who come to visit her.

Her desire to live is contagious, her new mother said, and everyone who meets her wants to return to see her again.

During the press conference, other mothers shared stories about the pressure to abort and the decision to carry to term children prenatally diagnosed with an infirmity.

The John XXIII Community also announced that it is preparing a legislative proposal on the protection of life and maternity, "to give the pregnant woman the possibility of finding protection and reporting those who propose to kill their children, or induce them to abort with blackmail or deceit."

HatTip: Jasper


Comments:

What was the quote from Thomas Pain's (sp) pamphlet Common Sense? "Blind men cannot see and ignorant men will not see." Was that it? Powerful words.

Posted by: Jess at February 12, 2008 7:35 PM


"The John XXIII Community also announced that it is preparing a legislative proposal on the protection of life and maternity, "to give the pregnant woman the possibility of finding protection and reporting those who propose to kill their children, or induce them to abort with blackmail or deceit."

I would LOVE to see that proposed in the US. Could you just imagine how many so-called doctors would be reported? What an awesome way to discourage doctors for giving the pregnant women the choice, or coercing them into one. I know I'll get the arguement from PC'ers on this one that women SHOULD be given the choice. But, my point is that they already KNOW they do. After 35 years of Roe hell, they already know!

Having a doctor coercing abortion while their hormones are raging is just not right.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 12, 2008 8:00 PM


Having a doctor coercing abortion while their hormones are raging is just not right.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 12, 2008 8:00 PM
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Wow. I guess pregnant women are too unstable to vote, drive, or be left in charge of children.
They're crazy you know...

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 12, 2008 8:26 PM


Were you ever pregnant, FF?

I think that anyone who was ever been pregnant would agree with me that it would be WAY overwhelming to be pregnant and find out some news that you may not be ready to hear about your baby, while, of course, your hormones are raging, and at the same time the doctor is telling you that it may be a good idea to abort and is steering you in that direction.

So yes, in my opinion, there is no need for the doctor to discuss or coerce abortion to the woman. FF, do you think that there are actually women out there that have no idea that abortion exists?

Again, I'll ask: we're you ever pregnant, FF?

Posted by: Anonymous at February 12, 2008 8:41 PM


No, I've never been pregnant.

That's a good thing, because according to you, pregnant women aren't competent and can't make personal decisions.

Maybe we could keep the preggos in the zoo until they whelp and the madness wears off.

I'll propose this to my friends who are sheriff's deputies, ex-marines, and even animal control officers who managed to wield deadly force on a daily basis while pregnant - AND CRAZY!

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 12, 2008 8:53 PM


No, I've never been pregnant.
Posted by: FetusFascist at February 12, 2008 8:53 PM

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Then stifle.


That's a good thing, because according to you, pregnant women aren't competent and can't make personal decisions.
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Oh, on the contrary. Go back and read the post, my dear, and you'll see that I find pregnant women competent enough to make an educated decsion WITHOUT the coersion of a doctor. Women are competent enough to make their own decisions. However, many people trust their doctors more than themselves when making a medical (life or death) decision. When a woman is in a doctor's office and hears some disappointing news, their reaction and feelings are exaggerated due to the hormonal increase. It's just a fact, FF. Now, just throw in "and I think you should kill your baby" and just how do you think she'd feel? But if you've never been pregnant, you'd never understand, nor do I expect you to.


Posted by: Anonymous at February 12, 2008 9:06 PM


Jasper,

Wow. Just read the QotD and watched the video! Earlier today I saw another video (Ron Paul) pulled with no explanation on YouTube...what's goin' on with them. Maybe we need need to start an "AntiYouTube" Wonder what else we're NOT being shown...

Great work!

Posted by: mk at February 12, 2008 9:13 PM


No, THIS is what you said:

"What an awesome way to discourage doctors for giving the pregnant women the choice"

You seem to think that offering a choice is "coercion."

Here 'ya go:
"Coercion is the practice of compelling a person to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation or some other form of pressure or force."

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 12, 2008 9:15 PM


Thanks MK..I know, PP must have threathened them with a lawsuit (LOL)...or they're pro-aborts themselves... disappointing.

I surprized you're up this late...I been enjoying your posts as well...I've havent had much time to comment lately, busy at work....

Posted by: jasper at February 12, 2008 9:23 PM


No, THIS is what you said:

"What an awesome way to discourage doctors for giving the pregnant women the choice"

You seem to think that offering a choice is "coercion."

Here 'ya go:
"Coercion is the practice of compelling a person to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation or some other form of pressure or force."
Posted by: FetusFascist at February 12, 2008 9:15 PM

FF,
What on earth does that have to do with your accusation that I think that pregnant women aren't competent and can't make personal decisions?

Ah, you must have missed the next sentence that said: But, my point is that they already KNOW they do. After 35 years of Roe hell, they already know!

So, if they already know their choices, why would a doctor need to coerce (by using some other form of pressure or force) them? You mean that their trusted doctor telling them that it would be a wise decision or a good idea to abort because their baby would probably be badly deformed while their hormones are raging wouldn't be considered pressure? Please.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 12, 2008 9:29 PM


Thanks Jasper,

The grandkids are here tonight and Joey was really fussy! He's down now, so I'll be going to bed soon.

Jill comes home tomorrow. I'm so happy I could weep!

Posted by: mk at February 12, 2008 9:34 PM


mk & Jasper,
I just watched the video from QotD, and couldn't figure out why it had been pulled! Mk, one of Ron Paul's got pulled, too? This is bizarre. With all the crazy stuff on youtube, this video doesn't seem pullable at all. And, I couldn't imagine what Ron Paul could possibly do to offend youtube! My only guess is that they were anti-democrat agenda videos, and youtube must be pro-dem. With nominations and elections 'round the corner, Americans would be very surprised to hear how the dems felt about PP and their tax dollars. Abortion is something that the dems are staying FAR away from this campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 12, 2008 9:37 PM


Jasper,

That QotD video about PP is hilarious. It's worth a watch for a laugh. It actually may get more viewing now than it would have otherwise with the publicity this will generate.

Posted by: Janet at February 12, 2008 10:16 PM


I'm so glad she has people to love her. And that Italy has a law that made them help save her. She's probably in a better place with wonderful people than whatever mo-rons her actual parents were/are.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 12, 2008 10:50 PM


Ya know, supposedly the Left is the bastion of tolerance and diversity. But they're not very good at welcoming babies who don't look or behave like standard-issue healthy rich white babies. Then suddenly there's no room for tolerance and diversity. It's off to the pathology lab with you, Junior!

Posted by: Christina at February 12, 2008 11:31 PM


Oh -- and before the Lefties in here come up with, "We're not advocating that ALL those defectives get aborted; we're just saying give Mom the chance to choose." Do you take that same attitude toward a business that wouldn't admit people who fit the criteria that are grounds for abortion? Would you eat at a restaurant that refused to serve blind patrons, or patrons who were missing a limb, or patrons with an extra chromosome? Would you say, "Well, it's his restaurant, it's his choice"? Or would you be able to recognize the bigotry for what it is?

Posted by: Christina at February 12, 2008 11:34 PM


Christina: Ya know, supposedly the Left is the bastion of tolerance and diversity. But they're not very good at welcoming babies who don't look or behave like standard-issue healthy rich white babies.

Nope, it's up to the pregnant woman or couple. White, rich, or the exact state of health doesn't change that.

Posted by: Doug at February 13, 2008 12:09 AM


Do you take that same attitude toward a business that wouldn't admit people who fit the criteria that are grounds for abortion?

Those people are not inside the body of a woman, for starters. Moreover, the restaurant is not forced to stay open. If the owner wants to close up and not serve anybody, it's their choice. Same as for the pregnant woman - she's not forced to remain pregnant. That's without regard to the specific attributes and qualities of the embryo or fetus.

Posted by: Doug at February 13, 2008 12:13 AM







I detect a pattern here....

Posted by: Doug at February 13, 2008 12:46 AM


here is the pro abort stance.

If a doctor tells a patient that in his professional opinion, she should abort, he is just offering a choice.

If a CPC volunteer says she should not abort, it is a threat and coercion.

This is so obvious since we all trust total strangers more than our own doctors.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 13, 2008 12:58 AM


If a doctor tells a patient that in his professional opinion, she should abort, he is just offering a choice.

Depends on how it is said. The doctor can say "this is why...." and the woman or couple is free to take it into account if they want to, without it being coercive.

I'm Pro-Choice, and even given what a doc might relate, if the pregnant woman wants to continue the pregnancy, then I say let her.
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If a CPC volunteer says she should not abort, it is a threat and coercion.

No, it depends on how it is said. And same deal - even given what a CPC might say, if the pregnant woman wants to end the pregnancy, then I say let her.

Posted by: Doug at February 13, 2008 1:55 AM


Doug, if the issue wasn't Down Syndrome, but "Oh no! This is the baby of that Black guy I got drunk and slept with at Debbie's party! I couldn't abide raising a Black baby!" would you see the bigotry?

Why is hate okay as long as it's aimed at the disabled?

Posted by: Christina at February 13, 2008 7:39 AM


Doug,
In past discussions with you, you refuse to admit that ir is "against" a womans human nature to have her prenancy terminated. Yet all the other PC'ers I talk to say "nobody is FOR abortion". How do you convince yourself of these things? Nobody else thinks it is natural for a mother to choose to kill the child in her womb.

Posted by: Truthseeker at February 13, 2008 9:15 AM


Do people use words to obfuscate the truth of an issue? Do people use words that have multiple meanings to twist the facts? Is this politics? If you tell a lie enough times, it will begin to sound like the truth after a while and even the liar will adjust his thinking to believe the lie he/she told. Is that what we as humans do to cover the truth? Is the love of self greater than love of your fellow human being?

Posted by: TruthTeller at February 13, 2008 1:25 PM


Doug, if the issue wasn't Down Syndrome, but "Oh no! This is the baby of that Black guy I got drunk and slept with at Debbie's party! I couldn't abide raising a Black baby!" would you see the bigotry?

Why is hate okay as long as it's aimed at the disabled?

Christina, the woman can have an abortion to viability regardless of its genetics. Would some women not want to have a baby if it was a certain color? Well yeah, I'm sure that'd be the case. This is not hating all people of color or "lack of color," this is just the personal decision of a woman.

The woman's reasons are her own.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 13, 2008 6:19 PM


Doug, In past discussions with you, you refuse to admit that ir is "against" a womans human nature to have her prenancy terminated. Yet all the other PC'ers I talk to say "nobody is FOR abortion". How do you convince yourself of these things? Nobody else thinks it is natural for a mother to choose to kill the child in her womb.

No, Truthseeker. It is not against all women's natures to have pregnancies terminated - that is the correct way to say it.

As far as being "for abortion" in a vacuum (no pun intended) or compared to pregnancy prevention, well yeah.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 13, 2008 6:21 PM


Please, let's overturn Roe v. Wade.

Posted by: Ceecee at February 14, 2008 1:07 AM


No, I've never been pregnant.

That's a good thing, because according to you, pregnant women aren't competent and can't make personal decisions.

Maybe we could keep the preggos in the zoo until they whelp and the madness wears off.

I'll propose this to my friends who are sheriff's deputies, ex-marines, and even animal control officers who managed to wield deadly force on a daily basis while pregnant - AND CRAZY!

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 12, 2008 8:53 PM

Actually, according to PCers, they're only crazy if they feel bad AFTER having an abortion...before that, they're level-headed, well-informed, and un-coercable.

Posted by: Michelle at February 14, 2008 9:34 PM


Doug said:
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No, Truthseeker. It is not against all women's natures to have pregnancies terminated - that is the correct way to say it.
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Doug, your refusal to allow yourself to see even the obvious when you confronted with such a truth as this is inexplicable. Let me try to help you see by asking you this other question.
Is it possible that some women just choose to do things that are "against" human nature?

Posted by: Truthseeker at February 15, 2008 1:01 AM


Truthseeker, you go girl! :)

Posted by: Bethany at February 15, 2008 7:56 AM


"No, Truthseeker. It is not against all women's natures to have pregnancies terminated - that is the correct way to say it."

Doug, your refusal to allow yourself to see even the obvious when you confronted with such a truth as this is inexplicable.

Baloney. Not everybody is suited to being a parent. Not everybody wants kids. Even beyond that, some people do not want kids at a given time.
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Let me try to help you see by asking you this other question. Is it possible that some women just choose to do things that are "against" human nature?

As far as wanting children and caring for children then yes, some women go against what is human nature in general, i.e. they do not do it while most do.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 15, 2008 3:28 PM


Michelle: Actually, according to PCers, they're only crazy if they feel bad AFTER having an abortion...before that, they're level-headed, well-informed, and un-coercable.

Wrong. Most women who have psychological problems after abortion had them before as well.

In no way are they "crazy," either way, necessarily. Some women will indeed be conflicted about continuing a pregnancy or not, and some will indeed regret having abortions, on balance.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 15, 2008 3:30 PM


Doug said:
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As far as wanting children and caring for children then yes, some women go against what is human nature in general, i.e. they do not do it while most do.
Doug
Posted by: Doug at February 15, 2008 3:28 PM
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Doug,
For the past month I have been trying to get you to agree that that women choosing abortion is against human nature. Hallelujah, I think you just had an epiphany.

Posted by: Truthseeker at February 15, 2008 10:35 PM