*puke* perhaps she was supposed to get a lesson in pride, everything happens for a reason, he messed it all up, maybe her going through the disease was the one thing that would get her to heaven.

If people only knew how much joy and love the "undesirable" as above give! If mothers and father could only know before they "chose." (They shouldn't have a choice...it's not their's to make) You think you know everything when you make that decision, but you haven't a clue. The joy is something that cannot be explained with human words. They are a gift to this world.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.

Good thing Stephen Hawkins wife didn't do the same thing when he was diagnosed with the same disease.

Has anyone noticed that the people making all the choices about death or not the people that are doing the dying?

hhmmm....another thought:

Was the assisted suicide to reduce her pain or to reduce his inconvience?

If somebody is an adult and mentally competent, what's wrong if they have such-and-such condition and really don't want to continue living?

Doug -

And do you think depressed people should be able to do this? Because depressed people are mentally competent and many don't like the thought of taking meds for the rest of their lives, should they be allowed assisted suicide? Ya know, instead of helping them get the proper treatment to make life worth living?

Did you know that there is a man in Europe (I can't remember exactly where, but can look for the info if you want it) that wants AD/HD to be included in diseases that are okay for assisted suicide?

when would it stop?

John Roberts says his wife Virginia was afflicted with ALS, or Lou Gehrig's Disease and he took her life to see if the state would allow him to get away with voluntary euthanasia, or so-called mercy killing.
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I very seriously doubt he said any such thing. Why do you have to LIE to try to make your point?

Why doesnt the Salem, Oregon Statesman Journal have anything on this story?

Did you know that there is a man in Europe (I can't remember exactly where, but can look for the info if you want it) that wants AD/HD to be included in diseases that are okay for assisted suicide?

oh my goodness. How sick. That would mean that quite a few children in America would be eligible for assisted suicide, including my 8 year old son!

Texas,

It's in the Oregonian...

http://tinyurl.com/2cz6x5

*puke* perhaps she was supposed to get a lesson in pride, everything happens for a reason, he messed it all up, maybe her going through the disease was the one thing that would get her to heaven.

Posted by: rosie at February 7, 2008 9:08 AM
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If that's the case, your supreme deity is a sick bastard.

MK -

Gotta love this from the article:

"Friends and family of John Roberts say Virginia Roberts was born in Guatemala. No members of her family could be reached. "

So we only have his side of the families story.

Also there is this:

"Virginia did not want to deteriorate until doctors determined she was within six months of death, as required by the physician-assisted suicide law, they said. Nor did she want to take her own life because of her Catholic beliefs. "

Question to all Catholics on this board - Does Catholic teachings say that murder is wrong? She didn't want to commit suicide but it was okay for her husband - the man she had just renewed wedding vows with - to commit murder?

Now that doesn't add up!

I find it typical that you imagine you have the right to sit in judgment of him without knowing him, or her, or their families and you are certain that YOU know what he "should" have done even though NONE of you played ANY part in what they were living with on a daily basis. I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves for your arrogance and your delusions of importance and your egocentric certainty that YOU know what is 'best' for THEM, without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about them - but I know youre not capable of it.

Valerie, 10:47,

I had the same thoughts. Suicide is wrong and murder is wrong (in my opinion, maybe worse). She was only 51 years old!

Rosie, 9:08,

I agree. Many people believe there is redemptive value in suffering. Lord have mercy on us all.

*puke* perhaps she was supposed to get a lesson in pride, everything happens for a reason, he messed it all up, maybe her going through the disease was the one thing that would get her to heaven.

Posted by: rosie at February 7, 2008 9:08 AM
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That is about as sickening and disgusting and repugnant as it gets

I agree. Many people believe there is redemptive value in suffering. Lord have mercy on us all.

Posted by: Janet at February 7, 2008 11:16 AM
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That's disgusting.

I find it typical that you imagine you have the right to sit in judgment of him without knowing him, or her, or their families and you are certain that YOU know what he "should" have done even though NONE of you played ANY part in what they were living with on a daily basis. I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves for your arrogance and your delusions of importance and your egocentric certainty that YOU know what is 'best' for THEM, without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about them - but I know youre not capable of it.

I'm sorry, was someone saying something about arrogant and egocentric?

Janet and Rosie,

Bishop Sheen says "The only tragedy in suffering is that so much of it is wasted...imagine the good she could have accomplished if she had cooperated...

FF:10:43,

Many people believe there is redemptive value in suffering, on many levels, but you don't have to be religious to realize that good can come from suffering.(See Bethany's story about the man with ALS.) He says his later years have been the most meaningful of his life. God bless you.

I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves for your arrogance and your delusions of importance and your egocentric certainty that YOU know what is 'best' for THEM, without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about them - but I know youre not capable of it.

....says the person who thinks it's okay for doctors or "friends" and "family" to do what "they" think is best for a patient by killing them if they're disabled and no one wants the burden of taking care of them...

mk 11:25,

In my post above to FF, I said "you don't have to be religious to realize good can come from suffering". But, after reading some of the comments here, maybe I was wrong.

Maybe a person DOES need to believe in a God to have HOPE. Hope helps us see beyond our present difficulties and tells us that there is something better tomorrow, next month, for ETERNITY.

If I believe this world is ALL there is, then why would I accept suffering?

Janet,

If I believed the world is ALL there is, I think I'd join Virginia Roberts...lol

TR -

Just curious. When is it not okay to kill someone? Where do you think the cut off should be.

Years ago when I was in high school (did I say yearS?? I mean..just a couple months ago....) we were told that we had to accept different lifestyles. People who disagreed said that if we did that,next you know know we will have to allow them to marry. Everyone scoffed, "oh, your overreacting." Now in Britain they are accept polygamy as being legal.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Britain_gives_recognition_to_polygamy/articleshow/2753681.cms

(this is by no means a "gay life is right/wrong" it is just an examply of how things can be taken too far....)

When America's funniest home video's was first aired, some people were upset at the violenct they were showing and that the public was laughing at people getting hurt. We were told to "relax and calm down - no one is really getting hurt". Now we have YouTube showing people getting seriously hurt and others are laughing at it, thinking it is funny. The news has even joined in.

So, I ask, when is killing someone going too far?

I find it typical that you imagine you have the right to sit in judgment of him without knowing him, or her, or their families and you are certain that YOU know what he "should" have done even though NONE of you played ANY part in what they were living with on a daily basis. I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves for your arrogance and your delusions of importance and your egocentric certainty that YOU know what is 'best' for THEM, without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about them - but I know youre not capable of it.

I'm sorry, was someone saying something about arrogant and egocentric?

Posted by: mk at February 7, 2008 11:22 AM
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Yes. I was speaking about you and your cohorts. The delusion that you should be living everyone elses lives FOR them proves just how self absorbed, megalomaniacal and egocentric you really are. Why dont you tell me what is egocentric about 'Let them decide for themselves'?

Janet and Rosie,

Bishop Sheen says "The only tragedy in suffering is that so much of it is wasted...imagine the good she could have accomplished if she had cooperated...

Posted by: mk at February 7, 2008 11:25 AM
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Again, that is about as sickening and disgusting as it gets. Too bad she didnt live in agony just so YOU could feel better about it.

mk:

Mother Angelica, a Catholic nun, is an example of a person who has done great things while enduring extreme physical suffering all of her life. She built her own Catholic radio and television networks (EWTN), when countless people told her it couldn't be done.(Her biography is written by Raymond Arroyo, news director for EWTN Catholic television.)

I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves for your arrogance and your delusions of importance and your egocentric certainty that YOU know what is 'best' for THEM, without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about them - but I know youre not capable of it.

....says the person who thinks it's okay for doctors or "friends" and "family" to do what "they" think is best for a patient by killing them if they're disabled and no one wants the burden of taking care of them...

Posted by: Bethany at February 7, 2008 11:30 AM
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Back to your hatefilled fantasies about everyone else - you have to invent the worst and pretend the only reason someone might have is because they are 'terrible' people. I believe people who are suffering and have no hope of recovery should have the right to end their lives. I believe if someone is comatose with no hope of recovery the family should be able to do what they think is best. You imagine youre an authority on everyone elses life and imagine you should have some 'right' to stuff your face into the private lives of strangers and tell them how they 'should' live and what they 'should' do without knowing them or anything about them - ignorance never keeps YOU from being an 'authority' on 'everything'.

mk 11:25,

In my post above to FF, I said "you don't have to be religious to realize good can come from suffering". But, after reading some of the comments here, maybe I was wrong.

Maybe a person DOES need to believe in a God to have HOPE. Hope helps us see beyond our present difficulties and tells us that there is something better tomorrow, next month, for ETERNITY.

If I believe this world is ALL there is, then why would I accept suffering?

Posted by: Janet at February 7, 2008 11:53 AM
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If someone makes that decision and is at peace with their deity who are you to contradict them?

ignorance never keeps YOU from being an 'authority' on 'everything'.

Yes, because you are the epitome of self restraint...

Janet,

(Her biography is written by Raymond Arroyo, news director for EWTN Catholic television.)

I read that book...awesome.

And how about Padre Pio, or Little Audrey, or my own father?

If someone makes that decision and is at peace with their deity who are you to contradict them?

Just checked...yep, I'm still in America. The constitution gives me that right...just like it gives you the right to contradict me...God Bless America.

So, I ask, when is killing someone going too far?

Posted by: valerie at February 7, 2008 12:01 PM
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What part of this do you not understand?

I believe people who are suffering and have no hope of recovery should have the right to end their lives. I believe if someone is comatose with no hope of recovery the family should be able to do what they think is best.

Just when I think I couldnt find an argument any more imbecilic you come up with that ...

mk:

Mother Angelica, a Catholic nun, is an example of a person who has done great things while enduring extreme physical suffering all of her life. She built her own Catholic radio and television networks (EWTN), when countless people told her it couldn't be done.(Her biography is written by Raymond Arroyo, news director for EWTN Catholic television.)

Posted by: Janet at February 7, 2008 12:08 PM
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And it was what she CHOSE to do - thats the point.

ignorance never keeps YOU from being an 'authority' on 'everything'.

Yes, because you are the epitome of self restraint...

Posted by: mk at February 7, 2008 12:16 PM
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And that supposedly means what? What does your comment have to do with what I said? How does 'Im not going to judge the man and Im not automatically going to assume the worst about him because I dont know him and I know nothing of his life' show a lack of self restraint on my part?

If someone makes that decision and is at peace with their deity who are you to contradict them?

Just checked...yep, I'm still in America. The constitution gives me that right...just like it gives you the right to contradict me...God Bless America.

Posted by: mk at February 7, 2008 12:19 PM
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Thank you for admitting you dont have an answer beyond your own megalomania. Whimpering 'Its America' just makes you look ridiculous.

"If that's the case, your supreme deity is a sick bastard."

I guess you would think that, your comment and Tex's aren't very surprising seeing as how you are both selfish self-centered spoiled brats who expect evrything to go the way you want it to.

TR -

"I believe people who are suffering and have no hope of recovery should have the right to end their lives. "

I live with clinical depression.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression

There is no cure. I will never recover from this. There are times when I am suffering greatly. At those times, I do wish it will all end. Would that give my husband the right to kill me? The chances are very high that I will die of this disease. I have to take medication every day to keep the pain away. When I am in a depressed mood, when I'm not thinking of anyone but myself, when I'm not think of the good I can do, when I am in the lowest point of my illness, would it be okay for someone to provide me with assisted suicide?

"Just when I think I couldnt find an argument any more imbecilic you come up with that ... "

In debates you know when you have your opponet backed into a corner when they start to make personal attacks. So, I take this as a great compliment. Thanks!

TR -

"What part of this do you not understand?"

hmm.... I understand that you didn't answer the question.

"If that's the case, your supreme deity is a sick bastard."

I guess you would think that, your comment and Tex's aren't very surprising seeing as how you are both selfish self-centered spoiled brats who expect evrything to go the way you want it to.

Posted by: rosie at February 7, 2008 12:31 PM
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Look in the mirror. How is 'dont judge the man - you dont know anything about him' being selfish or self centered or a spoiled brat? Look in the mirror - selfish self centered spoiled brat describes you to a T.

In debates you know when you have your opponet backed into a corner when they start to make personal attacks. So, I take this as a great compliment. Thanks!

Posted by: valerie at February 7, 2008 12:34 PM
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You can try to rationalize all you want. It wont make your attempted comparison any less idiotic. And since I said your ARGUMENT was idiotic and didnt call YOU an idiot there was no personal attack so you have your foot in your mouth up to the knee. What YOU choose to live with is YOUR business. That is the point. Are you trying to pretend that YOUR suffering is so profound it proves that anyone can endure anything? And if YOU can go on with YOUR life then obviously anything THEY have to endure just cant compare and they have no right to complain? YOUR suffering is somehow the touch stone?

TR:
I can finally see where you are coming from!! I AGREE that it is not our place to judge. Only God knows their hearts and why they did what they did.

Do you agree that we need to judge what behaviors are acceptable and unacceptable to maintain a civilized society? Although you don't believe in a moral authority, do you believe in a need for a civil authority?

TR -

"What part of this do you not understand?"

hmm.... I understand that you didn't answer the question.

Posted by: valerie at February 7, 2008 12:36 PM
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Since I DId answer your question youre looking incredibly foolish right now. Or was the answer to complicated and confusing for you to grasp?

I believe if someone is comatose with no hope of recovery the family should be able to do what they think is best.

TR,

Yes, because you are the epitome of self restraint...

And that supposedly means what?

You really don't hear yourself, do you? lol

I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves for your arrogance and your delusions of importance and your egocentric certainty that YOU know what is 'best' for THEM, without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about them - but I know youre not capable of it.
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The delusion that you should be living everyone elses lives FOR them proves just how self absorbed, megalomaniacal and egocentric you really are.
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Back to your hatefilled fantasies about everyone else... ignorance never keeps YOU from being an 'authority' on 'everything'.
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Why do you get the bizarre egotistical self absorbed delusion that YOU are some how an authority on someone elses life
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That says some very ugly things about you. In fact a whole lot of your comments say some very ugly things about you.
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You make egocentricity a way of life
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The point is if YOURE not the one living through this then pretending YOU should have the deciding voice is sheer egocentricity and megalomania.
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This country was founded to AVOID exactly that - egocentric control freaks with the delusion they knew how everyone else 'should' live with no regard for the rights of others.

I'm sensing you think we are egotistical? I'm not sure because you are being so vague...lol

Notice anything?

TR:
I can finally see where you are coming from!! I AGREE that it is not our place to judge. Only God knows their hearts and why they did what they did.

Do you agree that we need to judge what behaviors are acceptable and unacceptable to maintain a civilized society? Although you don't believe in a moral authority, do you believe in a need for a civil authority?

Posted by: Janet at February 7, 2008 12:43 PM
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And what exactly do you mean by 'moral authoroty'? Obviously we need laws. But no one is talking about the legality of what this man did. Or didnt you notice that?

Imagine a Texasredneck that absolutely knows, that it does not know the definition of agnostic.
That a nebulous "higher power" is whispering in the Redneck's ear;Kill um, They suffer.
Another example of what becomes of a oxymoron from the Friendly State that knows she/he is a agnostic, and does not know if a "higher power" might
exist, but knows a "higher power" might exist.
But, this sloven mind,with known redneck charcteristics, is mighty high on killing those that suffer. You got to ask this oxymoronic, Texasredneck, is killing another human being from your "higher power" theology, or is the authority to kill another human being, from just being just another redneck from Texas?
P.s. Redneck, it is much more honorable to be a atheist then a absolute don't know, who contradicts itself with knowing a "higher power" does exist.

TR,

But no one is talking about the legality of what this man did. Or didnt you notice that?

The whole article is about the fact that this man broke the law, shot his wife and will probably only get a slap on the wrist...for heavens sake! Tell, me, since you believe assisted suicide is valuable, to you also think shooting someone in the head is the way to "assist" them?

"I believe if someone is comatose with no hope of recovery the family should be able to do what they think is best."

...because we all know that family never ever ever has ulterior motives...

TR,

But no one is talking about the legality of what this man did. Or didnt you notice that?

The whole article is about the fact that this man broke the law, shot his wife and will probably only get a slap on the wrist...for heavens sake! Tell, me, since you believe assisted suicide is valuable, to you also think shooting someone in the head is the way to "assist" them?

Posted by: mk at February 7, 2008 12:56 PM
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The LEGALITY of it wasnt really that much of the focus of the article at all. Youre back to your whine of 'he has to be a terrible person!' what difference does it make HOW he did it?

I'm sensing you think we are egotistical? I'm not sure because you are being so vague...lol

Notice anything?

Posted by: mk at February 7, 2008 12:46 PM
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Yes, your self centered megalomaniacal delusion that you should be making rules for everyone else. You seem to have trouble coming to terms with something so obvious.

And the yllowass shows up again to play the fool and vomit in front of everyone ...

TR:

I'm trying to agree with and you're snapping back at me, TR. Take a breath. Relax.

Whole books have been written on the subject of moral authority, and I am no expert on the law. That said, for me, my moral authority is God. He is the "author" of the morals I try (emphasis on try) to live by, so to speak. Those who don't believe in God, believe that civil authority, or their own, is the only authority. I hope that answered you question. God bless you.

"I believe if someone is comatose with no hope of recovery the family should be able to do what they think is best."

...because we all know that family never ever ever has ulterior motives...

Posted by: Anonymous at February 7, 2008 1:01 PM
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And? The person in the coma, with no hope of recovery, wont know the difference. And whining 'well they just had an ULTERIOR motive' doesnt mean a single thing - its just the assumptions and inventions of someone else.

TR:

I'm trying to agree with and you're snapping back at me, TR. Take a breath. Relax.

Whole books have been written on the subject of moral authority, and I am no expert on the law. That said, for me, my moral authority is God. He is the "author" of the morals I try (emphasis on try) to live by, so to speak. Those who don't believe in God, believe that civil authority, or their own, is the only authority. I hope that answered you question. God bless you.

Posted by: Janet at February 7, 2008 1:19 PM
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I type better than 100 wpm and think even faster than that. Assuming that anyone who doesnt buy into YOUR faith system has no 'morality' is foolish and egocentric. There is a 'moral authority' that says its perfectly fine to kill your daughter if she decides to start wearing jeans and stop covering her head.

TR,

What does all that have to do with the price of tea in China? Or the price of fish in Ireland?

mk:12:17,

And how about Padre Pio, or Little Audrey, or my own father?
I'm not familiar with "Little Audrey". What is her story?

TR--

Get off your break and get back to work. If that Twilight Zone episode isn't written by the end of the day, you're fired.

--R.S.

"There is a 'moral authority' that says its perfectly fine to kill your daughter if she decides to start wearing jeans and stop covering her head."

...but it's perfectly fine to kill her if she isn't perfect....

Janet,

http://www.littleaudreysanto.org/

"There is a 'moral authority' that says its perfectly fine to kill your daughter if she decides to start wearing jeans and stop covering her head."

...but it's perfectly fine to kill her if she isn't perfect....

Posted by: Anonymous at February 7, 2008 1:51 PM
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Kill who? What are you gibbering and drooling about?

TR,

What does all that have to do with the price of tea in China? Or the price of fish in Ireland?

Posted by: Janet at February 7, 2008 1:40 PM
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"All" of what?

"Kill who? What are you gibbering and drooling about?"

...what color is the sky in your world?

TR--

Get off your break and get back to work. If that Twilight Zone episode isn't written by the end of the day, you're fired.

--R.S.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 7, 2008 1:46 PM
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Reality really is not your friend, is it?

Last warning TR...

I want my script done before the end of the day.

--Rod

"Reality really is not your friend, is it?"

...poking you is more fun than a chew toy...

Anonymous,

Have you ever played Monkey Island? Cuz hands down, this is the best "sword" play I've seen in a while...En Garde!

TR,

What does all that have to do with the price of tea in China? Or the price of fish in Ireland?

Posted by: Janet at February 7, 2008 1:40 PM
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"All" of what?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 7, 2008 2:04 PM

TR: Why do you ask?

mk (2:13) I'm going to play "Escape From Monkey Island". Bye!

"Reality really is not your friend, is it?"

...poking you is more fun than a chew toy...

Posted by: Anonymous at February 7, 2008 2:08 PM
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You dont know the half of it. And you never will.

...trust me, I could not STOMACH half of it....

You really shouldn't kill someone to "test" anything.

"Look in the mirror. How is 'dont judge the man - you dont know anything about him' being selfish or self centered or a spoiled brat? Look in the mirror - selfish self centered spoiled brat describes you to a T."

LOL!!! Is that all you got? Your responses are soo lacking..I'm rubber you're glue?.... People like you pre-judge the unborn and sentence them to death all the time, don't preach about not judging.

Janet and Rosie,

Bishop Sheen says "The only tragedy in suffering is that so much of it is wasted...imagine the good she could have accomplished if she had cooperated...

Posted by: mk at February 7, 2008 11:25 AM
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Cooperated? No aspirin for you mk! You must cooperate with your pain.

TR -

"Since I DId answer your question youre looking incredibly foolish right now. Or was the answer to complicated and confusing for you to grasp?"

Let's go over this again, shall we? I asked:

"So, I ask, when is killing someone going too far?"

And your response:

"I believe people who are suffering and have no hope of recovery should have the right to end their lives. I believe if someone is comatose with no hope of recovery the family should be able to do what they think is best. "

I didn't ask when you believe it is appropriate, I asked when it is going too far.

"And if YOU can go on with YOUR life then obviously anything THEY have to endure just cant compare and they have no right to complain? YOUR suffering is somehow the touch stone?"

Do you have any clue what "the point to a story" means? obviously not.

It is obvious that my point was that at times an illness can get you down and you may think death is your only option. However, when death doesn't come you are greatful that you didn't make such a harsh decision.

Why don't you try again?

I ask a question and you actually answer the question asked before you start patting yourself on the back.

Poor Texasredneck,
Writing that you can "type 100 wpm", is quite strange when considering your defending your reason for killing another human being!!
What does typing 100wpm and "thinking even faster" got to do with morality?
The only thing I can figure, is that at some point, while the TeaxasMoron is typing furiously, and thinking faster then a speeding bullet, you enter a trance, and that "higher power"(a entity absolutely known to the Texasmoron) of yours, takes over your mind.
In essence, your "writing" in tongues Redneck, with that "higher power" controlling your fingers and mind. Quite amusing, a Texasredneck agnostic, that has been taken over by a "higher power" and can write 100wpm.
Are you related to Max Cady, who was a convict running about the Cape Fear river trying to murder people on a houseboat?

Hm. A while ago I had to have an operation to remove 30cm of my large intestine because it was so full of holes and scartissue that it was causing internal bleeding and such. It was terrible. Before I went in for the operation I told my youngest (who is now 22) that if something goes wrong and I end up in a coma and with no chance of survival that I want her to tell the doctors to pull the plug as it was stated in my will.

Needless to say I survived without complications and both me and my youngest were very relieved but I was in so much pain at the time that I would have welcomed death with open arms. Do I regret telling my youngest she could pull the plug if need be? No. It helped me go into that operating room confident that no matter what happened I had decided what would happen and I would not have to suffer anymore. And I think that is what gave me the strength to live on.

Wait a minute. She was catholic which is why she wanted her husband to kill her instead of doing it herself.

Doesn't catholic doctrine say that a husband can do whatever he wants to his wife? She is his property? So what he did is religiously justified.

she made him into a murderer instead of herself and you find nothing wrong with that? If a man is beating his wife and children the Catholic Church would expect her to pack up and leave, just not divorce. They could also see if there is reason for an annulment. So, no doctrine doesn't say "sure, go ahead and snuff out your wife if you wish."

" No aspirin for you mk!"

well if it only takes an aspirin, go for it. We're talking about a fatal disease!

Obnoxious,

According to the news account, this woman was misguided with the notion that suicide was wrong, but killing wasn't. The "Catechism of the Catholic Church" explains the teachings of the Church in great detail.

Valerie: And do you think depressed people should be able to do this? Because depressed people are mentally competent and many don't like the thought of taking meds for the rest of their lives, should they be allowed assisted suicide? Ya know, instead of helping them get the proper treatment to make life worth living?

Val, for depression, I don't really think so. I see that as diminishing mental competency, and I'd be for allowed suicide if it's for something which can't be treated satisfactorily.