Yesterday morning as staffers exited the Metro station near the Cannon House Office Building in DC, they were welcomed to their work day by a ghoulish street drama: Randall Terry and followers enacting Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi being tortured in hell.
According to Talking Points Memo the group shouted: "Staffers, Hill rats, join Nancy Pelosi in hell!" and "Kill the bill, not babies."
Terry's press release (with contact person Catherine Veritas, clever), stated they were warning Pelosi and Reid of a "wrath to come" for pushing the "child-killing in healthcare." Here's video:
Terry's presser further stated his group planned to take their street play to Pelosi's office. Don't know if that happened.
What I find troubling in all this is while the other side scoffs at Terry, and we pro-lifers back away in embarrassment, the day may actually come when Pelosi and Reid find themselves in hell and remember this. Then it won't be so funny.
Jivin J reported earlier this week on Terry's Pelosi/Reid Halloween "Burn in hell" video contest.
Thats really just weird.Posted by: Sydney M at October 30, 2009 8:20 AM
Happy halloween. The sale of Reid and pelosi masks helps the economy.Posted by: xppc at October 30, 2009 8:30 AM
Everyone just walked past them and ignored them... I guess they're used to these kinds of stunts in DC.
Like I've said before, any protest or anything we post here or whatever is supposed to be aimed at making someone think about abortion and ultimately changing their minds (to pro-life). I can't see what person was challenged to think more deeply about abortion or whose emotions were deeply touched so that they thought twice about abortion. If I were convinced that this kind of action would save the life of one baby, I would fully support it. But I just can't see any pro-choicer even giving this a second thought.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 30, 2009 8:33 AM
That was just WEIRD.
I don't get it.
I don't understand what is going through Randall Terry's mind if he thinks this is somehow going to change minds on abortion?
This just looked like a very poorly thought out joke, and really, I don't see anyone taking this seriously.Posted by: bethany at October 30, 2009 8:47 AM
How about the secular comments indicating that abortion is taking another human life?Posted by: xalisae at October 30, 2009 9:03 AM
Go AWAY, Randall Terry. You're not helping.Posted by: Vannah at October 30, 2009 9:10 AM
The day may actually come, indeed, God forbid. And I get the point. But I can't imagine that any of them bothered to calculate whether this would affect the vote or the minds of the American people in a positive way.
I feel I can condemn their actions (the politicians), but it is not for me to judge the overall state of their souls. Perhaps this is an e-eye-opener... but what a distraction from the REAL issue at hand.Posted by: Alex at October 30, 2009 9:35 AM
Unrelated question: You mentioned at a CPC banquet that PP's research arm says one billion abortions in the last two decades. What's the name of that research institute again? Where is that statistic?
Thanks!Posted by: Jennifer at October 30, 2009 10:41 AM
This is why people like me are disillusioned with the pro-life movement.Posted by: Nate at October 30, 2009 11:04 AM
Good for you!
Being 'disillusioned' is the first step towards confronting reality.
A really important moment in every human's life.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at October 30, 2009 11:10 AM
Randall Terry is the reason the other side thinks pro lifers are looney. He needs to stop with these demonstrations, they do NOT help the pro life cause. What does help? Genuine offers of help and support during pregnancy and in those critical days and weeks following labor and delivery. Educating Americans on fetal development (which is SCIENCE).
During the years that I was pro-abort I didn't have a negative opinion of the pro-life movement. I thought they were wrong but well intentioned.
Had I seen this kind of performance, I don't think it'd have had any impact on my pro-abort views. But it certainly would have prejudiced me against getting involved in any pro-life organization after my position changed from pro-abort to pro-life.
I wonder how many people who genuinely respect life stay on the sidelines and never get involved because of this kind of stunt?Posted by: Fed Up at October 30, 2009 11:38 AM
Does this help the pro life movement?? I think not. This makes us look like loons.Posted by: maria at October 30, 2009 11:44 AM
I too wish Randall Terry would stop, he makes pro-choice people think all pro-lifers are crazy. And we are NOT.Posted by: Julie Culshaw at October 30, 2009 12:22 PM
This is just plain stupid. Abortion is a human rights issue, not a religious issue. Pro-aborts would like for it to be a religious issue so they can dismiss the pro-life movement as pushy, mean-spirited zealots. Thanks, Mr. Terry, for putting the phrase "pro-life" on a demonstration in which those involved behave like pushy, mean-spirited zealots. Thanks a lot :(Posted by: Janette at October 30, 2009 12:30 PM
Because Jill Stanek happens to be a Christian. Not all pro-lifers are Christians. Some are atheists, such as Pro-Life Atheist and Xalisae; some are Muslims, such as Leah; some are agnostics, such as myself; some are Jewish or Buddhist or Hindu or any numerous other religions.
There are Hispanics, Anglos, Africans, Jews, Arabs, Persians, Asians, Scandinavians, and much, much else.
Pro-life has nothing to do with "what" a person is: that's the whole point: what you are doesn't change anything (even if you are a fetus or are a toddler or are a senior citizen).Posted by: Vannah at October 30, 2009 12:52 PM
Those who like to believe that abortion is strictly a "religious issue" have chosen to delude themselves in order to deal with their own viewpoint of discriminating against and disposing of other helpless human beings.
If you want to believe that those of us who claim a particular faith are deluded, fine. But the science supports the pro-life view.
If you don't want to read about the pro-life movement from a Christian's perspective, then don't come here (repeatedly, after you've been banned, posting under different monikers and speaking to Jill as if you know her--very, VERY stalkerish. Seriously, Virginia, or "Minnow," is it now?, it's getting old. And frankly, rather disturbing.)Posted by: Kel at October 30, 2009 1:13 PM
I was Nancy Pelosi-Burning-in-Hell in the skit above; I'd like to say why I did the skit and why we think it is effective. First, it's a Christian imperative to admonish sinners; so warning Nancy Pelosi (and all the Hill staffers who support tax payer funded abortion in the health care bill) of the eternal consequence of their actions is a duty that we all have. And a skit is often more effective than words alone, because the visuals and acting stay in someone's mind longer, and thereby make a more powerful impact on their soul. Our intention was not to "be so funny" as Jill said but to give them a warning so that they repent, and so that TAX-PAYER FUNDED BABY-KILLING IS TAKEN OUT OF THE HEALTH CARE BILL.
Second, while we do not know who is or who is not moved to reconsider their pro-child-killing position because of the various activities that we do...we do know that it continues the debate -- on the street, in the halls of the Congress and Senate, and in the press. People talk about what we do because it is controversial and in doing so they talk about child-killing; it then ceases to be the "settled issue" they want it to be.
Finally, that what we are doing is effective is proved by the fact that people complain about it. Do any other pro-life activities get complaints the way ours do? If your enemies aren't complaining about what you are doing, don't you think that it means that it isn't a threat to them? A pro-child-killing Senate staffer complained to me once "these pro-lifers are outside my building every morning on the way to work...I don't want to see all these dead baby pictures when I'm going to work every morning -- why can't they be like those other pro-lifers who just politely converse with others about their position?"
It's not that the group of us who do these things think that these actions alone are going to bring about an end to legalized-child-killing -- but we do hope that they create the controversy and tension necessary (as Martin Luther King spoke about in his "Letter from the Birmingham Jail" which I recommend you read) to end it. To see more of our philosophy and efforts go to www.InsurrectaNex.com and www.OverturnRoe.com.Posted by: Diana at October 30, 2009 1:24 PM
Do any other pro-life activities get complaints the way ours do? If your enemies aren't complaining about what you are doing, don't you think that it means that it isn't a threat to them?
Diana, CPCs are attacked by pro-aborts, the 40 Days for Life *prayer* campaign is even attacked by pro-aborts. The problem is that people who ARE PRO-LIFE see that this does not help the way society views our cause.
We have the Truth on our side...why resort to something that just comes across as hatefulness toward two individuals who don't know Christ? I'm sorry, I just don't understand. You may be creating controversy, but it seems to be at their expense and at the expense of others in the pro-life movement.Posted by: Kel at October 30, 2009 1:47 PM
I was thinking about my friend today. She's pregnant and has just started her first year of college. Her baby is due about now, I think (I haven't talked to her in awhile) and he's sick. He has to be delivered by c-section because there's a hole in his stomach. Last that I heard, he's okay, but he will require surgery immediately.
So, if you pray or send good thoughts, could you be with my friend and her baby?
Sorry, that's random, but I was thinking about them today and thought that all of the support that I can get for them is valuable.
Thank you so much!Posted by: Vannah at October 30, 2009 2:22 PM
why resort to something that just comes across as hatefulness
Posted by: Kel at October 30, 2009 1:47 PM
it's a Christian imperative to admonish sinners
Posted by: Diana at October 30, 2009 1:24 PM
Admonishment is not condemnation. Its goal is conversion of heart. I never met anyone who was converted by insults, but I have met a few who were converted by humble love put into action.
And a skit is often more effective than words alone, because the visuals and acting stay in someone's mind longer, and thereby make a more powerful impact on their soul
What lingers in the memory and what impacts a soul can be two different things. I think you're making quite a stretch there.
while we do not know who is or who is not moved to reconsider their pro-child-killing position because of the various activities that we do...we do know that it continues the debate
The debate will continue without skits. Has it ever occurred to you that your actions may make the debate more difficult? May turn away those who would otherwise support your cause?
but we do hope that they create the controversy and tension necessary
The tension is already present. It's the manufactured controversy that seems unnecessary and unfairly damaging to the pro-life movement as a whole.
Vannah- I'll remember your friend and her son in my prayers.Posted by: Fed Up at October 30, 2009 2:40 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with your friend and baby.
Posted by: Janet
at October 30, 2009 2:56 PM
I'll pray for your friend and her baby. Please keep us posted. :-)
***CHICAGO NUN VOLUNTEERING AS ABORTUARY DEATHSCORT***
By Kathleen Gilbert
HINSDALE, Illinois, October 23, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A Dominican nun has been seen frequenting an abortion facility in Illinois recently - but not, as one might expect, to pray for an end to abortion or to counsel women seeking abortions, but to volunteer as a clinic escort.
Local pro-life activists say that they recognized the escort at the ACU Health Center as Sr. Donna Quinn, a nun outspokenly in favor of legalized abortion, after seeing her photo in a Chicago Tribune article.
"I've called her sister several times, and she never responded," local pro-lifer John Bray told LifeSiteNews.com (LSN). "But it's her."
Amy Keane, a pro-life witness for 11 years, says Quinn has acted as escort for "six years, at least." Keane described one incident in which Quinn began shouting at the pro-lifers as they spoke to a woman about to enter the abortion facility.
"[Quinn] was so angry, and burst out very loudly so everyone could hear: 'Look at these men, telling these women what to do with their bodies!'" said Keane. "She was so angry, that it really took all of us aback." Keane says that the group was peaceful, and that the men present were not among those engaging the woman.
"For those of us who are Catholic, to have a member of a religious order so blatantly - it is so disheartening. It really is," said Keane. "She's participating actively in abortion. That is what is so disturbing for us."
More...Posted by: Mike at October 30, 2009 3:35 PM
Mike, that's very disturbing. Why does her order allow her to remain a member?Posted by: Lauren at October 30, 2009 3:42 PM
Vannah -- my ex is a Jewish Buddhist and he is prolife. I've even heard of prolife Satanists (go figure out that one . . .).Posted by: Phillymiss at October 30, 2009 3:50 PM
Please pray for Sr. Donna Quinn, that her heart and mind will be changed.
* * *
When the Time Comes by Henry Hyde:
"When the time comes as it surely will, when we face that awesome moment, the final judgment, I've often thought, as Fulton Sheen wrote, that it is a terrible moment of loneliness. You have no advocates, you are there alone standing before God and a terror will rip through your soul like nothing you can imagine. But I really think that those in the pro-life movement will not be alone. I think there will be a chorus of voices that have never been heard in this world but are heard beautifully and clearly in the next world and they will plead for everyone who has been in this movement. They will say to God, "Spare him because he loved us," and God will look at you and say not, "Did you succeed?" but "Did you try?"'
You're exactly right, thank-you for doing the skit.
"Because Jill Stanek happens to be a Christian. Not all pro-lifers are Christians. Some are atheists, such as Pro-Life Atheist and Xalisae; some are Muslims, such as Leah"
Leah is pro-abortion, not pro-life.Posted by: Jasper at October 30, 2009 6:32 PM
I really believe Randall Terry's strident message is undermining the pro-life cause. If people view pro-lifers as loony, our credibility is in jeopardy. Nancy Pelosi believes herself to be a "fervent" Catholic. She has to be aware of the stance of the Church on abortion and I am sure that members of the clergy have made her aware of the consequences of taking communion while in the state of mortal sin. Regardless,she still persists in her pro-death stance; do you really believe that this goulish display will make any difference? We have the truth on our side and we will prevail by firm but loving persuasion not by such stunts.Posted by: castellina at October 30, 2009 9:19 PM
One of my favorite books is Final Quest by Rick Joyner. The last 8 pages are an account of a vision that he had where he was walking with Jesus in the part of Heaven where the greatest saints of the church age had their thrones - the overcomers. I highly recommend the book and especially this section. The lesson taught extremely well here is that God's thoughts are way above our thoughts and He is pleased with and will reward those who are faithful to serve and obey Him with all of their hearts.
A lot of times He seems to tell people to do things that don't make much sense to our natural minds.
Diana, there is only One Person to whom you need to be accountable - Jesus. While it is hard for my natural mind to see the benefits of the skit, just based on how it seemed to be received, I've learned to try to be careful not to criticize others doing an outreach. I will say that I believe the subject of God's Judgment is not receiving enough attention by today's Church. Hopefully that is changing and it will start to receive the proper emphasis. Whether the skit was God-inspired or not, He knows.
However, I maintain my criticism of the effigy burning stunt. What I found most grievous was the attitude of those in the video: flippant, giddy, cold-hearted, etc.
God's Judgment is serious business. God loves the world and He desires all to come to repentance.
He doesn't rejoice at the death of the wicked and neither should we.
Finally, our ministry to the world and this generation needs to be undergirded with much prayer. It's when we are on our knees or on our face seeking God and praying for our government officials and lost souls that God does a work in us. I believe it is during these times He prepares us to be effective witnesses and our works are more likely to be accomplished in the right spirit.
None of us is perfect. We are all works in progress.Posted by: Ed at October 30, 2009 9:49 PM
Just a quick summary of the last chapter of Final Quest:
The author recognized one of the overcoming kings, Angelo, in this part of Heaven. It turns out Angelo was a street preacher who had overcome tremendous harship in his life: born deaf, abused, kept in a cold dark attic until he was rescued by authorities at 8 yrs old, shuffled from one institution to another where the abuse continued, finally turned out into the streets.
One day Jesus sent him a gospel tract and he read it, opened his heart and gave his life to Christ. He couldn't speak so by returning bottles and doing occasional yard work he spent half his money on gospel tracts and passed them out.
You'll have to get the book to read the rest of his story but he waa very grateful to Jesus for everything he had, which wasn't much. He overcame the world with God's Love and finally paid the ultimate price, dying a martyr. And God richly rewarded his faithfulness.
The point is the author recognized him because he had seen him on the street before. The author's reaction at the time was: "There is one of those Elijah's who must have escaped from the bus station...a religious nut sent by the enemy to turn people off to the gospel."
Does this make me wholly endorse everything that Randall Terry's group does? No. But it does cause me to be a bit more cautious with my criticism.Posted by: Ed at October 30, 2009 11:56 PM
I visited your website and I think what Jill might have been referring to that will be "so funny" is when you have your Pelosi/Reid effigy burning party.
Maybe you can help us understand. When you are in your backyard with your friends, enjoying your hot cider and donuts, watching the simulation of Pelosi and Reid burning in eternal torment, what thoughts are going to be going through your head? Will you be shouting, "Burn baby burn!" Will you high five the person next to you? Perhaps it will be, "Yeah baby, that's what I'm talking 'bout."
You know for me, the thought of someone, anyone being tormented like that makes me want to fall on my face and cry out to God for mercy on their behalf - not roast marshmellows.Posted by: Ed at October 31, 2009 6:40 AM
Just want to say that I REALLY enjoy reading your posts, and I learn so much from you. You rock!
Keep 'em coming, Ed!
Thanks!Posted by: Marie at October 31, 2009 9:03 AM
Congratulations to Randall and Diana. They have, once again discredited the "pro-life" movement more than any of the so-called "pro-aborts" could.
Well played, you narcissistic attention-seekers.
She is? I thought that she said that she was pro-life? Maybe I got her name on the wrong post sometime?
I mean, that doesn't mean that there's no such thing as a pro-life Muslim, but I thought that Leah is. Are you sure?Posted by: Vannah at October 31, 2009 9:23 AM
the last time Leah posted here she announced that she was expecting and she hasn't posted since then.
Posted by: LizFromNebraska
at October 31, 2009 9:28 AM
I don't think she was pro life.
No, she was not pro-life.Posted by: bethany at October 31, 2009 3:04 PM
Oh, I was probably looking at the wrong name on the wrong post sometime. :(Posted by: Vannah at October 31, 2009 5:50 PM
Oh, and I saw the pictures on your blog, Bethany. Your kids are so cute and seem really energetic! :)Posted by: Vannah at October 31, 2009 5:52 PM
Aww thanks Vannah! :)Posted by: bethany at October 31, 2009 6:05 PM
Hey Vannah, are you on Facebook? If so, send me an email (in the "Team" link in the sidebar) and I'll add you! :)Posted by: bethany at October 31, 2009 6:08 PM
Wow, that's funny you mention Vannah and facebook, Bethany... just today I was thinking that I should try and facebook friend her... recommend her to friend me if she friends you, ehh?Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 31, 2009 6:48 PM
Will do! :)Posted by: bethany at October 31, 2009 8:14 PM
Given that Pelosi is a baptised Catholic (at least I think she is) and trades on that, I actually think a stunt like this is entirely appropiate. It wouldn't hurt Pelosi at all to have a timely reminder of the reality of Judgement Day.
One of the Spiritual Works of Mercy: Admonishing the sinner.Posted by: Louise at November 1, 2009 12:20 AM
I'm not on Facebook but if I join (I'm thinking about it very seriously), I'll add you as a friend. :)Posted by: Vannah at November 1, 2009 9:53 AM
Posted by: Lauren at October 30, 2009 3:42 PM
Good question. See also:
She's a progressive feminist from way back, gender discrimination is her main point of contention and she views the Catholics Church's teachings as "immoral". The Dioceses where she lives, works, and has her "motherhouse" in are three different ones according to the article. According to one commenter named Mary Martha, the dioceses are Chicago, Joliet, and Madison, WI. If possible, they need to get their acts together and admonish this woman who is blatantly supporting abortion.Posted by: Janet at November 1, 2009 2:57 PM
Vannah, I just read your request for prayers for your friend who is due to have her baby. I will indeed pray for her, her baby, the doctors that are taking care of her and that will take care of her newborn. I pray she will have a safe delivery and healthy recovery and if the prenatal diagnosis of problems for her baby is correct that he/she will get excellent care, the problem be corrected and he/she will have a safe recovery.
I find the comments about the Pelosi-Reid skit interesting. I don't think that I agree with the skits and pray that they will not do more harm to our movement. However, I think the staunch pro-aborts will criticize any form of confrontation about their pro-death agenda and will not concede that the horrific acts commited on unborn babies are cruel, inhumane torture that even a dog should not be subjected to let alone a innocent human being. God help this world and our nation.Posted by: Prolifer L at November 1, 2009 7:44 PM