In my last post I said Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust would soon upload video of retired and off-duty rent-a-cops posing as on-duty cops at the Jimmy Kimmel stunt shoot, when cameramen turned their spotlights on a teen pro-life protester. Following are a couple.
In this 1st video Troy Newman of Operation Rescue realizes the pretense and calls the posers on it. They sheepishly do not deny Newman's claim....
In this next video Jeff White, founder of the Survivors, asks one of the film crew cops point blank several times, "Are you LAPD?" He attempts to deflect White's questioning before wilting away as the same younger rent-a-cop as in the 1st video steps in....
Incidentally, White's shirt has been torn by cameramen who refused to turn their spotlights away from young Ryan Bueler and fought White off when he then tried to...
Apparently there is on-going controversy whether retired and off-duty LAPD officers who have been hired for security by the film industry should be allowed to wear their uniforms. (Read here and here.)
On 1 side is the film industry that says, 1) the public won't respect film crew cops who wear security guard garb; and 2) they'll have to pay more for on-duty cops in LAPD uniform.
On the other side is the LAPD, which, quoting the Los Angeles Daily News, "is concerned that retired officers do not have enough training and it creates the impression that the LAPD is staffing the shoots."
That's exactly what happened in the Kimmel lighting crew incident. The pro-life/Kimmel controversy lands in the middle of the LAPD rent-a-cops-wearing-their-uniforms controversy.
One of many problems here in the interest of justice is the built-in bias of rent-a-cops in favor of the film crew they are being paid to protect. If they make waves for members of the very film company that has hired them, they obviously know they'll not get hired again. As one commenter wrote on one of my Newsbusters posts about this, "Don't be fooled. They're to protect the production, not the public."
The next problem is the built-in bias of on-duty cops coming late on the scene to believe what their rent-a-cop brothers tell them about the situation. Note in the top video the younger cop states on-duty police apprehended White and not the camera crew because "he's instigating this," when, in fact, the opposite was true.
On the other hand, the problem for them now is that the Survivors have an awful lot of video footage. There were 100 pro-life teens on the scene with likely 100 cell phones with video, these in addition to video cameras the Survivors always take to protests to document incidences just such as this.
Following is just one troublesome video for the other side. In it one of the cameramen admits several times he has turned the spotlight on Bueler and his graphic sign of an aborted baby because "I don't want to see that," and "The fact is, I don't want to see it." There are also clear shots of all the camera crew. Note at the very end of the video - after the altercation has been ongoing over 7 minutes - the film crew cops finally show their faces...
The Survivors have uploaded several other snippets from the scene here.
In reading the following:
"Note in the top video the younger cop states on-duty police apprehended White and not the camera crew because "he's instigating this," when, in fact, the opposite was opposite."
did you mean to say, "when in fact the opposite was TRUE"?Posted by: Gerard Nadal at July 13, 2010 9:12 AM
Gerard... thanks... lol... :)Posted by: Jill Stanek at July 13, 2010 9:36 AM
I was hoping the teenagers would have been directed by White to move a mere five feet along the sidewalk and out of the lights. Then watch the union crew adjust their lights back onto the teenagers making the crew's malicious intent clearer.
But what's done is done.Posted by: Cranky Catholic at July 13, 2010 9:52 AM
I love how as soon as "rent a cop" was thrown in the air all the "cops" went "WHOA!!!!" as if it was the worst thing! So trying to fry someone is okay, aborting babies is okay, trampling Constitutional rights is okay, but don't you DARE call them rent a cops!Posted by: Sydney M. at July 13, 2010 11:48 AM
Are they seriously trying to say they were assulted by lights? Well good luck with that... LOL
Do they just get cameras and go out and try to make trouble to film?Posted by: Biggz at July 13, 2010 2:04 PM
Biggz, read the back stories.
You will read that those *high-powered* lights were supposed to be aimed at a location *across the street*. The lights actually melted one of the teens' bracelets he was wearing and reddened his skin.Posted by: Kel at July 13, 2010 3:05 PM
Any little girl who had an Easy Bake oven knows what a simple lightbulb can accomplish.Posted by: ninek at July 13, 2010 5:36 PM
My grandmother survived the ACTUAL Holocaust. It is deeply sickeninmg and offensive for you to use such a deplorable manipulative tactic to sway people to your side as comparing a legitimate medical procedure that has been statistically proven to reduce the rate of mothers dying from complications to an attempt to wipe out millions of people. It is a disgusting hateful manipulative tactic. If you TRULY believe YOUR side is the right one then have the courage to let your argument stand on it's own two feet. To co-opt the Holocaust as a way to emotionally manipulate people intop taking your side is at best crass and at worst cowardly and deplorable.
STOP DISHONORING MY GRANDMOTHER AND EVERY OTHER HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR.Posted by: Penny Sautereau-Fife at July 13, 2010 8:31 PM
No one here is dishonoring your grandmother by labeling abortion a holocaust. Most of the pro-lifers here, I'd venture to say, are pro-Israel and love the Jewish people. We hold them in high esteem. No one is trying to insult anyone.
... a legitimate medical procedure that has been statistically proven to reduce the rate of mothers dying from complications
Penny, if this "legitimate medical procedure" were done ONLY to save the lives of mothers, would that be ok with you? Because right now, that "legitimate medical procedure" (which was, incidentally, performed extensively by Dr. Josef Mengele) is done practically without restriction around the world and takes the lives of 42 million innocent humans per year worldwide.
I have seen the images of the Holocaust at museums, and I have cried. Are those photos there to emotionally manipulate people? No. They are there to remind us of what can happen when there is no respect for life, and to memorialize those whose lives were destroyed. Man's inhumanity to man is appalling. Standing against the slaughter of all innocent human beings is important.
STOP DISHONORING MY GRANDMOTHER AND EVERY OTHER HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR
Every survivor? I am sorry for the suffering your family has endured, Penny, but please don't dishonor the survivor I lived next door to for 20+ years by presuming to speak on her behalf.
If her firsthand witness of dehumanization and mass murder is her basis for comparing abortion to a holocaust or the historical Holocaust, isn't she entitled to her viewpoint? To think that another survivor's family would slap labels like "disgusting, hateful, manipulative" on her for speaking out saddens me very much.Posted by: Fed Up at July 13, 2010 10:40 PM
Penny....Hitler thought Jews were in the way of German utopia. He said they weren't human like everyone else. He dehumanized them and German society turned away to live their selfish lives as Jewish families were torn apart, rounded up like animals and killed. Mother watched their babies dying in the gas chambers. HORRIBLE. Sickening. A waste of precious human life.
It is very much like the abortion situation today. The pro-choice side sees unborn babies as being in the way of women's utopia. They say they aren't human like you and me. They are dehumanized and society turns away to live their selfish lives while these babies are systematically torn apart in their mother's wombs. Or in the spirit of the Nazis born alive and then dissected alive in the name of medical research. Yes, that IS going on.
Please google Center for Bioethical Reform. Click on the videos they have of ACTUAL abortion procedures and then come back here and tell me that you really believe that is a "legitimate medical procedure". I think you haven't researched what atrocities you are trying to defend here. And as the descendent of a Holocaust survivor...SHAME ON YOU. You of all people should be a defender of human life.Posted by: Sydney M. at July 13, 2010 11:02 PM
I've researched abortiuon JUST fine, I know EXACTLY what it is and what it entails. And while I personally believe that it is only appropriate in cases of rape or fatal risk to the mother's life, it is STILL and SHOULD ALWAYS be the choice of the woman involved. It's HER body. Not mine, not yours, HERS. And SHE has to live with her decision. Not me, not you, SHE. And as the brain doesn't develop until well into the second trimester, at conception or withing the first six weeks it's physically and biologically no different than an amoeba. I don't LIKE abortion but a woman's innate right to choose for her own body is none of your goddamned business, and the term "Abortion Holocaust" is still an emotionally manipulative and deeply offensive bastardization of the REAL Holocaust. I've known women who have had Abortions. Some were haunted by it, some never blinked, but even those haunted could never tell me a tale that comes CLOSE to being on par with the horrors my grandmother saw.
Pro-lifers are manipulative hypocrites. You want to be pro-life? Stop the daily thousands of animal euthanizations all over North America. All those already born fully living breathing dogs and cats being murdered every day because no one wants them. I never see you people lift a finger to stop THAT, and that's far worse than abortion.
Stop using the term "Abortion Holocaust". Anyone who uses that term is not worth the air they breathe and does the Pro-Life movement far more harm than good.Posted by: Penny Sautereau-Fife at July 14, 2010 8:33 AM
Penny...now I KNOW you didn't research a thing on abortion. You have NO idea what it entails. You have not a CLUE about prenatal development or you wouldn't be saying a 6 week old baby is the same as an amoeba. I had my first ultrasound at 5 weeks post conception. I can tell you Penny, from EXPERIENCE that my son at 5 weeks had a heartbeat, hands and feet and a FACE. That was at a little more than a month old! He certainly was not an amoeba. How ridiculous you sound. How is anyone going to listen to you when you can't even get your facts straight?
And in your hysterical rant you mentioned animal rights and euthanizing animals...what does that have to do with anything? Can you stay on topic please.
Animals are not human beings so..... your point is.....???Posted by: Sydney M. at July 14, 2010 9:11 AM
To use any holocaust or any terrible autrocity a relative went through to ease your troubled consciense is what is deplorable. You are the cowardly one attempting to emotionally manipulate people in to taking your side.
STOP DISHONORING THE HUMAN LIVES LOST TO ABORTION!!Posted by: Praxedes at July 14, 2010 9:17 AM
Penny, not attempting to rain on your hate parade but several weeks ago I adopted a rescue dog (my 6th). She is a formally-abused shy beautiful black border collie mix.
So I have lifted a finger to stop THAT too. (: Another prolife myth busted.
Peace.Posted by: Praxedes at July 14, 2010 10:40 AM
I'm a little confused Biggz. No one from my church supports pedophila or snorts drugs from anyones nude bodies. But your rant just made so much sense and switched me from my pro-life side to your side...the side or what, lunacy?
Why exactly are you coming here? Are you just a troll? Or are you truly searching for some answers. You obviously have rage issues and the abortion issue has obviously set something off inside you. So what can we do for YOU? Don't try to be "funny" and say we should stop protesting abortion cause you know that ain't happening...but really. Not being snarky, just wondering why you come here and what exactly you're hoping to achieve here?Posted by: Sydney M. at July 14, 2010 8:52 PM
"The churches stance on abortion is nonsensical and the anti-choice movement has to make ridicules claims like "the pill kills" even though most American and European females have been taking them for the last 40 years!"
I'm not quite following your logic here. Are you saying that if people have been engaging in an action for a certain amount of time, then the action can not be immoral? Is that the major premise of your argument? I agree that most women in America and Europe have been taking the pill for the last 40 years, but I don't see how that addresses the claim that the pill kills.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at July 15, 2010 9:40 AM
My final reply
1) Yes I HAVE fully researched abortion. Just because my opinion of it is unaffected by distorted religious bias and I don't see it as you do does not prove I've done no research, it proves we came to different conclusions, PERIOD. To suggest otherwise is to openly display the weak nature of the Pro-life viewpoint. Why let silly things like facts get in the way of righteous opinion?
2) To the one who adopted a dog. Good for you. Now go stop the SPCA from committing it's daily needless euthanizations.
3) To the one who said "so what, animals aren't human beings". You have just surrendered ANY right to talk to me. Human beings are animals too, and dogs and cats are NO less worthy of being protected than we are. I'd go so far as to suggest the deplorable attitudes humans display put dogs and cats a damn sight higher than us on a morality scale.
4) So a six week old feotus has hands and a heartbeat. So does a gecko. A six week old foetus does NOT have a BRAIN. There is NO CONSCIOUS THOUGHT until it DOES. So yes, at that stage it IS no different than any other micro-organism living inside you; it's alive but it doesn't think or feel. That however remains as always, BESIDES the point, as ONLY a woman has a right to decide this for herself. YOU do not. Worry about your OWN body andf keep your opinions off everyone else's.
5) The religious basis for Pro-Life arguements is utter bull****. God NEVER says anything in any version of the Bible about protecting unborn children. However he FREQUENTLY orders Moses and his followers to slughter non-believers, including explicitly instructing that unborn children be killed in their mothers' wombs to prevent them being born. If you must be Pro-Life, find a better basis than the Bible because THAT excuse just shoots you in the foot.
6) and finally, I will repeat, I PERSONALLY think Abortion is only appropriate for rape victims or women at serious risk of dying if they go to term. I still believe ONLY a woman has ANY right to choose for herself and only a petty bully thinks women's bodies should be government regulated to limit that control. THAT BEING SAID. If you nutjobs on the Religious Right would stop protesting healthy sex ed in schools and the use of contraceptives like condoms, there would be a LOT fewer abortions for non-rape/life-threatening reasons. People get knocked up so bloody much because YOU people make them ashamed to go buy condoms, then you whine when they get an abortion because they can't afford a child or get pressured by the father to "get rid of it". If you REALLY want to curbg abortion rates, STOP F****** INTERFERING IN THE SPREAD OF COMMON F****** SENSE!!!
That is the last I will say on the matter. And before one of you smug folks dismiss my points as ramblings of a hateful pro-choice idiot, remember that you're mistaking justifiable anger for hatred. I don't HATE any of you, I'm just angry at your pompous arrogant presumption that MY body or ANY OTHER WOMAN'S body that is NOT YOUR OWN is ANY of your g****mned business or that you have ANY right to dictate to ANYONE else how their body should be managed. Be pro-life all you want, but leave the rest of us alone.
PS - No pro-CHOICE person has ever committed murder in the name of their belief. Go google how many doctors YOUR side has gunned down in God's name.
Good day folks, I'm headed back to the real world where people have rights and logic overcomes stupidity.
[Edited by moderator - profanity]Posted by: Penny Sautereau-Fife at July 15, 2010 10:54 PM
Penny, the facts are on the pro-life side. Your statements are nothing more than wishful thinking and reflect willful ignorance of fetal development. You prove the pro-life argument that the pro-choice movement works to dehumanize unborn humans in order to continue to kill off weaker members of the species. "Might makes right." There are two bodies involved when a woman is pregnant, not one. (Unless mommies of baby boys have penises.) A pregnant woman is no longer making decisions strictly for herself, because there are two human lives involved. It's just that in order to abort, she's decided that she is the only one who matters. She is the only one who has worth.
There are many posters here who are agnostic/atheist and also pro-life, so though there are religious arguments for some, there are not for all.
May I ask, why is it that you personally believe abortion is only appropriate for rape victims or women whose lives are in danger? If it is as you say, and these unborn humans are no more important than amoebas, then why do you care at all? What difference does it make?
And if I may also ask, when did you have your abortion? Or, if it wasn't you, when did you help someone get an abortion?
P.S. - Brain development: http://main.zerotothree.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ter_key_brainFAQ#beginPosted by: Kelli at July 16, 2010 12:09 AM
No dear, the facts are NOT on your side, the wishful thinking is very much on YOUR side. Just because you don't like the facts does not make them any less factual, and no amount of condescending snide dismissal of the facts or my feelings will make you anymore right when you are simply not. Not that I expect facts to sway you, those like you have a long and public history of distorting facts to your favor. But for the record, I F******* REPEAT you pompous t***, I PERSONALLY don't LIKE abortion. My complaint is that in the end, the person who has to LIVE with that choice is the ONLY one with any right to make it. And the insane claim that abortion is a eugenics plot to breed out the weak is just more fact-distorting emnotionally manipulative bull****. While some parents do unfortunately abort for non-life threatening deformities, which I also disagree with, the percentage of abortions done for such reasons are relatively small. And no, I will NOT answer your rude and invasive question because such personal details are no one's business but my own. The fact you even asked it only further proves the point I'm making about the worst of the Pro-Life's arguments; That YOU have the right to interfere in someone else's life decisions that do not directly affect you in any way except the personal bias you allow yourself to feel. A woman who chooses to get an abortion is NOT responsible for YOUR moral outrage. YOU CHOOSE to feel outraged by someone else's private decisions. No, I don't like abortions that are not medically neccessary, but what Sally A or Monica B choose to do with their own bodies is none of my g*****mn business nor is it any of yours.
I repeat, if you REALLY want to curb the numbers of non-neccessary abortions, focus your efforts on where it NEEDS to be. Safe-sex education, de-shaming the purchase of contraceptives, and teaching boys that it is NOT okay to weasel out of fatherhood by pressuring their girlfriends to abort. Because a fairly large chunk of abortions are done because a skeezy guy pressured the girl into doing it to avoid fatherly responsibility. And a lot of these situations would NOT happen if these boys were using condoms more regularly, and abortion rates would drop significantly.
But of course you'll just snidely dismiss these points and continue your blatant lying and distortion to bully people into seeing it your way.
The facts are NOT on your side. Once again; The person who has to live with her decision is the ONLY one with ANY right to make that decision. Not you, not me. And if you aren't fighting against animal euthanasia too then you're not pro-life, you're anti-choice. A truly pro-life person would be fighting to educate people about safe-sex to prevent unwanted pregnancies, not repulsively slut-shaming the women who have to agonize over this decision to begin with. You Kelli, are a deplorable lying coward promoting manipulative distortions to rob other women of their right to self-determination. You want to be pro-life? Go adopt some of those thousands of unwanted children put up for adoption every year because some woman was too ashamed to use birth control and too scared to abort because of bullies like you.
Facts are facts. Distortions are lies. Deal with it, and keep YOUR opinions away from other womens' innate right to self-determination.
[Edited by moderator - profanity]Posted by: Penny Sautereau-Fife at July 16, 2010 9:31 AM
Penny...I thought that was your "final" word on the matter. So why do you keep coming on here like a brat trying to have the last word? Grow up. If you can't debate the facts (which obviously you can't because a) the facts are against you and b) you don't even know basic ones about fetal development or abortion) then just stop posting.
How exactly does it convince anyone when you act like a lunatic calling other women vulgar names and then screeching like a banshee about how we pro-lifers are disrespecting women?
At 6 weeks there is brain activity. Brain activity begins about day 40. Animals are not human and humans are NOT animals.
God certainly does talk about the unborn. In Leviticus when God gives Israel its laws He says that if two men are fighting and cause a miscarriage the man that struck the woman on accident and killed her baby will be duly punished. In Psalms David talks about how God knit him in his mother's womb and was personally involved in his creation. There are countless other old testament references to God knowing a person's whole life when they were "just" fetuses.
You don't know facts. Clearly. And your rage prevents any meaningful discussion. You should seek therapy for the intense hate and bitterness obviously seeping out of you. If you would address your anger problem I think your quality of life would improve. How do you wake up and go through each day with such bitterness in your heart?Posted by: Sydney M. at July 16, 2010 9:52 AM
"I PERSONALLY don't LIKE abortion. My complaint is that in the end, the person who has to LIVE with that choice is the ONLY one with any right to make it."
Replace the word 'abortion' in the above statement with one of the following words: 'rape', 'theft', 'assault', 'battery',
'murder', 'arson' and there you have Penny's thought process.
A mom does not abort a part of her own body, she aborts her child's body.
The truth and the facts have always been and will always be on the side of the Prolife Movement.
Penny, do you have the same therapist as Mel?Posted by: Praxedes at July 16, 2010 10:10 AM
Penny, it's clear to us that you don't have a persuasive argument and can't defend your own political views when you don't seek to refute the information presented here with scientific evidence or statistics, instead resorting to childish name-calling screaming and you are becoming the bully you deplore by your condescending and nasty behavior towards the other women here. If you want others to take you seriously and listen to your opinions and views, try having a civil conversation instead of screaming and you just might be surprised.Posted by: Rachael C. at July 16, 2010 10:17 AM
Penny, you didn't address anything I posted. I asked you why you don't personally like abortion, and what's wrong with it, since you made comparisons of the fetus to an amoeba. Instead of answering a simple question, you've cussed me out and attacked me personally, when you don't even know me. You have no facts on your side, only talking points. There is a difference.
It's obvious you're angry and can't defend your position. Instead of cursing you, Penny, I will pray for your healing.Posted by: Kelli at July 16, 2010 11:08 AM
Ha! Penny, you're a riot! You think if you keep arguing like my 3 year old does (we tell you the facts and point out they are not on your side and you can't refute with any factual information of your own..you just howl "are too! are too! are too!) that it will somehow make it true.
You haven't addressed any of the arguments we've put to you. Why not? We've addressed your arguments. Hmmm...why can't you make a logical argument instead of just cursing and shrieking at us?
You think people are ashamed to purchase contraceptives? HA! What rock do you live under? You think "safe sex" works? REALLY?
Contraceptives fail. I know. My son was conceived when I was on the pill. Unfortunately a great number of people kill their children with abortion when contraceptives fail. There are 1.2 million abortions a year. 50 million since 1973.
Sticking your fingers in your ear and going "nah nah nah nah" isn't exactly convincing anyone.Posted by: Sydney M. at July 16, 2010 3:00 PM
"Ha! Penny, you're a riot! You think if you keep arguing like my 3 year old does (we tell you the facts and point out they are not on your side and you can't refute with any factual information of your own..you just howl "are too! are too! are too!) that it will somehow make it true.
You haven't addressed any of the arguments we've put to you. Why not? We've addressed your arguments. Hmmm...why can't you make a logical argument instead of just cursing and shrieking at us?"
Actually, no. I HAVE addressed your arguments, EVERY one, and refuted it. I'm hardly ranting like a three year old, and the facts very much ARE on my side. And I'm done with this conversation because repeatedly telling a wall that it is in fact a wall, is STILL talking to a wall. You have been the childish ones, and you have not refuted anything I've said with any facts but only your own distorted opinions. That isn't debate, that's the "No True Scotsman" tactic. And I am done humoring close-minded hateful twats who think they have ANY right to dictate what anyone else can do with their own bodies. No matter what ridiculous lengths you go to to justify your hate and bigotry, it is still hate and bigotry.
Good day, and keep your opinions off of the law. The ONLY body you have ANY right to make decisions for is your own, leave everyone else the hell alone, and keep your condescending "There there you funny little person" bullying to yourself. The comment quoted above only serves to make you look childish and obnoxious. Grow the hell up.Posted by: Penny Sautereau-Fife at July 16, 2010 8:11 PM
The unborn are not capable of speech, you can use your own logic to figure out if what they go through could be compared to what victims of the holocaust had too endure. Let's see there torn limb from limb sometimes they crash their skulls in and sometimes they burn them. How does that not compare with victims of the holocaust? Wait, I can answer that the descendants of Abraham did not have to wait 27 years to be rescued from Hitler, the unborn are still waiting.
I need to grow up Penny? You are the one who can't have a civil argument without throwing around profanity. Real classy lady aren't you?
I actually agree with you. You said "The ONLY body you have ANY right to make decisions for is your own, leave everyone else the **** alone." You are absolutely right! Therefore, women should make decisions about THEIR bodies and leave the bodies of their children ALONE.
My son's body was NOT my body even when he was growing inside me. I have A+ blood. My son has the same blood as grandma which is B+. How can one body have two different bloodtypes. It can't! His body is not and never was my body. Two different bodies. I have no right to exercise my rights if it infringes on the rights of my son. And what makes America great and NOT like Hitler and the Nazis is we recognize rights come from God not from the state. Hitler said rights come from the state and see whats wrong with that? The state picks and chooses who gets them. I can say that people have rights that come from God and can exercise them as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.Posted by: Sydney M. at July 16, 2010 8:24 PM
@Praxedes - "Replace the word 'abortion' in the above statement with one of the following words: 'rape', 'theft', 'assault', 'battery',
'murder', 'arson' and there you have Penny's thought process. "
I'm a rape survivor so, yeah F*** YOU. Yes that's me cussing because a boneheaded mansplaining comment like that deserves no other response.
And yes, I HAVE answered the questions asked of me, you folks just apparently can't accept the answers I give so you focus on my justifiable anger instead and belittle me dismissively and think that makes me the villainous anger bully and you the poor picked-on Pro-Life heroes. Newsflash; It does not.
To the person praying for me; Don't. You do not have my consent to pray for me.
If you folks don't like the facts I've provided, fine. You'll believe what you want to anyway. But don't condescend to me in such a pompous arrogant dismissive "haw haw look at the silly stupid woman" manner and try to claim I'm being the bully when I point out your real valid hypocrisy to you. And don't claim my facts are not facts or blatantly lie and say I didn't offer any. That just proves your shallowness and the fragility of your arguments. When you need to blatantly lie and claim someone who said "Snow is frozen water" said "snow is sand painted white" to defend your argument, you're playing with matches in a straw house. Don't blame me when it goes up in smoke around you.
I unchecked the receive notifications option. The only way I'm going to be able to ignore the hateful condescending insanity you arrogant selfish people spew is to stop seeing it in my inbox.
[Edited by mod - profanity]Posted by: Penny Sautereau-Fife at July 16, 2010 8:41 PM
Well Penny...I don't require your consent to pray for you. I will pray for you because you are obviously dealing with a lot of rage and bitterness. I deal with anger in my own life as well and I can say that living with that is not fun. I have found so much freedom and joy giving my rage to God and letting HIM handle the hurt in my life. I will pray you find peace too.Posted by: Sydney M. at July 16, 2010 9:09 PM
Penny, I am a rape survivor too.
I'm praying for you as well. I don't need your consent to pray for you. You can keep trying, trying, trying but you really cannot control everything Penny.
I hope you come back to visit again. You will find awesome people here who not only care about the unborn but care about you as well.
Peace be with you.Posted by: Praxedes at July 16, 2010 10:18 PM
Penny, you answered none of my questions. You also provided no facts. (You just jumped from topic to topic when confronted with those facts.) I provided you with a link to facts regarding fetal brain development (after you stated a fetus has no brain at 6 weeks gestation and is no more in substance than an amoeba), and you provided us with more cursing, ranting, and character attacks, but no links to any information.
I am sorry to hear about your rape. I wish you healing, because it's obvious you're hurting, and you're misdirecting your rage at pro-lifers, none of whom here attacked you personally before you started hurling insults (and incredibly vulgar ones at that). No one called you silly or stupid, and I'd really like you to point out the pro-life "hypocrisy" you've seen here, as well as the "shallowness and fragility" of our arguments. No one here has lied, Penny. We've given you facts, and in return we've seen you come completely unhinged. No one here has been hateful but you, and no one has "spewed" anything except you, as evidenced by the profanity we've had to *repeatedly* moderate.
Goodnight, Penny.Posted by: Kelli at July 16, 2010 10:18 PM