From the Washington Times, March 23:
Bart Stupak: ... I've done all I could as one member to protect the sanctity of life.
Reporter Kelly Picket: Then how come you didn't vote for Pence's amendment to de-fund Planned Parenthood back in 2009
Bart Stupak: I don't think I ever voted to de-fund Planned Parenthood. PP does not do abortions... in my district. PP has a number of clinics in my district that provide health care for my people....
Therefore, these clinics do quite well in my district, and I'm all for health care and extending it to everybody - access to health care, so that's just another way. Also on PP, when they do it, there is a segregation of funds that go with it. It's usually about four hundred million they tried to de-fund on PP.
Maybe this time, I'll look at it again if Pence brings it up. Maybe I'll vote differently this time, but you're right I did vote against it.
Note by the chart above they both refer for abortion as well as enable abortions of the very young by BC and EC.
Bart Stupak is either parsing or unable to connect dots. Just because the 2 PP branches in his district, feeders and part of the United States' largest abortion provider, do not actually commit the deed, they merely refer mothers to mills that commit the deed, he's ok with that?
Furthermore, look at PP of MI's 2010 goals. It expends its earnings and energy battling that which Stupak says he opposes, abortion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mr. Stupak is supposedly Catholic, right?
And doesn't Planned Parenthood provide contraceptives?
"You lie" Bart Stupak!Posted by: poppie at March 24, 2010 10:05 PM
oh well, like all the other Scottish lords, he sold himself for a bowl of porridgePosted by: Maria at March 24, 2010 10:19 PM
I wonder if this poor minor was taken to planned parenthood... this is just the kind of vile deceptive behaviour they like. wtf YES they should be defunded. They need to be defunded and banned from contact with minors.
You won't believe this:
Posted by: truthseeker
at March 24, 2010 10:32 PM
Where is this poor girls father? So high scool counselors now counsel children to lie to their parents while they go through the most traumatic times in their lives. How healthy is that. If this were my daughter my blood would boil and I would see nothing but red and I would convince these people never to do this to anybody ever again.Posted by: truthseeker at March 24, 2010 10:42 PM
Stupak is another member of the Knights of Columbus who has gone rogue on the life issues. He also voted to set up Clinton's pro-abort offices worldwide.
I've dubbed this creep "Black Bart, Black Knight"
Also go to NRLC to check out his voting record. He knew damned well what he was doing with his votes. Would he ever have voted against a measure to defund a feeder organization for the KKK, or the Klan itself?
God BlessPosted by: Gerard Nadal at March 24, 2010 11:03 PM
I didn't vote to defund the Klan because they don't do lynchings in my district. They do some great charitable work and I'm all for THAT.
Stupak is a loser.Posted by: Cranky Catholic at March 24, 2010 11:09 PM
I'm sure Stupak is going to be defeated in November. Bush won his district twice, and Obama barely took it.
Now that the mask has been removed and he's a fraud, I don't think the voters there will stand for it.
He's got a couple of challengers, and one of them, Dan Benishek went from a few hundred facebook fans on Sunday to over 20,000 now, and he's getting donations and doesn't even have a web site yet.
Posted by: Joanne
at March 25, 2010 12:30 AM
I really believe Bart will reap what he has sown.
How can they get away with commiting abortion on a minor without notifying the legal guardian? It should be MANDATORY because a crime has been committed. These girls have been raped and they don't notify the authorities or the legal guardian of the minor. They are right in our faces lobbying for laws that give them control of our daughters at the most delicate time in their young lives. She is scared and doesn't know what to do and she may even be pro-life but gets counseled into making a decision she deeply regrets. I am sure that happens a lot. Vote all the Dumbocrats out, repeal Obamacare, and defund Planned Parenthood and ban them from "servicing" minors.Posted by: truthseeker at March 25, 2010 1:02 AM
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Politicians who support Planned Parenthood in any way, shape or form don't deserve support from the pro-life community.
Shame on Stupak.Posted by: Matt C. Abbott at March 25, 2010 1:09 AM
Notice how we're focusing all our anger on Stupid when we should focus it on the real anti-Christ Obama.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 25, 2010 1:22 AM
Yes Matt, shame on StupakPosted by: truthseeker at March 25, 2010 1:23 AM
Yes Phil, this evil has come upon us cause as a nation we have chosen the path of Godlessness. Drive God out public gatherings and tear the family apart with divorce and same-sex marriage. Don't think God doesn't notice when the capital of the US. Washington DC. has become defiled with same-sex "marriage"; which is completely offensive to a holy God. We are headed down the path to Sodom and Gemorrah. May the Lord have mercy on us. May he shine his light upon us and give us the strength to do His work with our hands and to speak His words with our tongue and love God with our whole hearts and minds. And g xalisae along for the ride cause she is filled with the Holy Spirit wether she calls herself an atheist or not :)Posted by: truthseeker at March 25, 2010 1:32 AM
Should have said:
And bring xalisae along for the ride cause she is filled with the Holy Spirit wether she calls herself an atheist or not :)
What's the difference between a stupak and a stupid? A kid. No...kids, a lot of kids....most of them murdered before birth.
How many stupaks does it take to turn the greatest democracy man has ever known, that has done more good in the world, freed slaves, defeated Hitler, defeated Mussolini, defeated HiroHito, built the greatest free market economy ever known to man, fed the world, developed the greatest health care system in the world, sent the Gospel around the world, gave liberty to millions upon millions into a banana republic without firing a single shot? Just one.
There's these two guys I know with the first name of Bart. One's on TV a lot, acts like a jerk, and gets a great deal of attention for his idiocy, can't be taken seriously and really can't be believed and isn't that good looking. The other one's a cartoon character. Can you help me with their last names?
When I was a kid, one of my friends promised that if I helped him clean his yard he'd let me ride his new bike. Well, I cleaned his yard as he disappeared only to return after everything was done. Then he said, "sorry, it's too dark now, I can't let you ride my bike". Well, I got angry, very, very, very, very angry.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? About 50 million more taxpayers.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? The word God on a blackboard.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? Prayer in the classroom.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? Taxes up the ying yang.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? The Sanctity of Marriage.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? The Rule of Law.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? Slaves that were made free and freemen that were made slaves.
What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? A race card (that's race card not race car) powered Presidency and a law abiding Presidency.
What will be the enduring legacy of high ideals of the Obama Presidency? OJ Simpson.
What's the difference between a president that claims to be a Christian but acts like a Muslim? Sorry, that's above my pay grade.
Obama does not want his daughters punished with a baby so he gave pro-lifers Bart Stupak.
Was Obama a Muslim before he was Christian or a Christian before he was a Muslim? I'm going to go ask John Kerry and Bart Stupak.
If Obama was a Muslim who became a Christian why wasn't a fatwa issued against him? Perhaps Al-Qaeda knows something that we don't.
What's the difference between Janet Napolitano and any other man? Again, that's above my pay grade.
What's the main difference between Nancy Pelosi of New Jersey and Nancy Pelosi of California? About 300 Million Dollars and Nancy Pelosi of New Jersey would kick Nancy Pelosi of California's ass in the 2010 election.
Did Reid Lie or did Lie Reid? What, no difference?
What's the difference between an R-rated movie and Joe Biden's typical speech with the President of the United States? Well, I'd let my child go to the movies but prevent her from watching TV at home.
Why did Obama really pass health care "reform"? Because even Oprah couldn't afford the giveaway.
What's the difference between a lotto ticket and an election ballot with a Democrat on it? With a lotto ticket your chances of taking other people's money is about 1 in 432,456,274,585. But with a Democrat ballot, it's a sure thing.
Go buy tobacco and liquor stocks now. Those smokers and alcoholics that were paying higher health insurance premiums for their lifestyles will now have more money to spend on butts and booze.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 25, 2010 2:26 AM
My goodness, Stupak is back to speaking rationally? He realized that if he voted to defund PP, he would have to answer the question 'Why does he hate affordable healthcare for women?'
He is absolutely correct that the two PP clinics in his district do not perform abortions. They do referrals. PP clinics all over the USA do more referrals than procedures (and some, like those in Stupak's district, only do referrals).
But bring in Jill's crazies:
Note by the chart on the right they both refer for abortion as well as enable abortions of the very young by BC and EC.
BC and EC aren't abortifacients. I'd ask you to deal with the truth, but you'll never accept it. Because you're crazy.
And this highlights the sshort-sightedness of the Antis. They think PP is the center of America's abortion practice. It's not. It's mainly city hospitals and isolated rural clinics staffed by attendings who do the actual work. Again, Antis don't do their research or homework about this issue. They think PP is the head of the beast.
Pssssssst. It's NAF.Posted by: Dhalgren at March 25, 2010 6:22 AM
Dhalgren - here's healthcare for you:
Planned Parenthood defends this dastardly practice, and did so at the highest court in the land.
To call us crazy while you defend that is insanity epitomized.Posted by: Chris Arsenault at March 25, 2010 7:30 AM
Dhalgren says "BC and EC aren't abortifacients"
We've been over this again and again. They act in a way to make the womb inhospitable, thus resulting in the deaths of embryonic humans.
You are the one who needs to stop lying and educate yourself. Though since you've been told 100 times, I believe you are just being willfully ignorant.
Oh, and PP doesn't perform a single service (other than abortion) that a community health clinic can't do. Nice try.Posted by: Lauren at March 25, 2010 8:16 AM
Oh, and PP doesn't perform a single service (other than abortion) that a community health clinic can't do.
Ah, but in some zip codes in America's heartland and plains states, Planned Parenthood is one of the only clinics available to girls and women. I think Bart Stupak knows this.
Also, Family Planning is a vital service. It's not as if PP is offering a redundant or frivolous service. Family Planning is a pillar of women's healthcare. And if a woman lives in a zip code that doesn't have a full OBGYN department in a hospital, PP is the place to go for regular exams and birth control.Posted by: Dhalgren at March 25, 2010 8:58 AM
Just because you claim something to be true, doesn't make it so. Do the research on how oral contraceptives work or how IUDs work and then get back to us.
As a Catholic, Bart Stupak should not be supporting PP whether or not his local clinics actually perform the procedure. It is bad enough that the clinics provide birth control which often leads to more abortions. As a matter of fact, 60% of women who procure abortions were contracepting at the time of conception. You can check the Guttmacher Institute for verification.
Frankly, it's getting harder and harder to take your posts seriously.Posted by: Nerina at March 25, 2010 9:39 AM
Ah, but in some zip codes in America's heartland and plains states, Planned Parenthood is one of the only clinics available to girls and women. I think Bart Stupak knows this.
What, do the other clinics have "No Girls Allowed!" signs on their front doors? Are doctors working in the Li'l Rascals' clubhouse now?
Seriously, I live in a pretty small town, and we have a few doctors' offices and an urgent-care clinic. Strangely, no Planned Parenthood ... not that I'm complaining!
Can you provide a concrete example of a PP clinic being the only medical care available to women? I don't know that you're wrong ... but the claim seems a bit sketchy to me, so I'd like proof.Posted by: Naaman at March 25, 2010 9:43 AM
That is the face of abortion.....the reality of abortion.
And the vast majority of pro-aborts deny this.
The entire world needs to see the face of abortion.
Hey Dhalgren: It's not rhetoric, it's a baby.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 25, 2010 10:23 AM
"Note by the chart on the right they both refer for abortion as well as enable abortions of the very young by BC and EC."
When will pro-lifers realize that no one out there has any empathy for a couple of cells, let alone want to ban birth control on the grounds that it might prevent the "very young" from implanting? Abortion becomes increasingly morally problematic the closer you get to birth. Pro-lifers, including Jill, unintentionally reveal all the time that they feel this way, too. She always uses the preface "late-term abortionist," revealing that she thinks late term abortions are worse than early ones. Otherwise, why point out the distinction? Why not target pharmacists with as much intensity as Dr. Tiller and Dr. Carhart--if there's no moral difference between birth control pills and late-term abortion?
Anyway, the idea that EC and birth control pills cause "abortion" is laughable to basically everyone, and even if it did, no one really cares about aborting a handful of cells that are often flushed out on their own. (Even without BC, many fertilized eggs fail to implant. You know what birth control method is most likely to result in a conception that fails to implant, since it doesn't prevent ovulation? The Catholic-church approved natural family planning.)Posted by: Ashley Herzog at March 25, 2010 11:06 AM
Also, remember that Jill originally became well-known because she witnessed a late-term abortion. We know her because she's an ex-nurse whose story about a late-term fetus being aborted and surviving was horrifying. The stories of ex-pharmacists who gave out EC pills and then realized they prevent implantation? Not so much. Bill O'Reilly isn't going to have any guests on talking about the horrors of birth control pills, since the public would laugh at it.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at March 25, 2010 11:16 AM
Haha. Good luck chasing this train. I've tried many, many, MANY times before, and at this point, I don't even bother anymore. I just say that while abortion on demand is legal, we are allies, and I should treat them like allies, and until real (ACTUAL) abortion is illegal, we're on the same page.
Birth control...not so much.Posted by: xalisae at March 25, 2010 11:31 AM
Your arguments are a joke. Your assertion regarding NFP is particularly ridiculous. In NFP there is no chemical or physical alteration of the womb environment. So any fertilized egg that is expelled is truly due to natural causes - not man-made ones.
I'm glad you find birth control pills so "laughable." Try looking into the link between BCPs and breast cancer and then laugh. Try looking into water contamination from oral contraceptives, then laugh.
And when will pro-aborts realize that this issue is about protecting LIFE, regardless of age, stage or development?Posted by: Nerina at March 25, 2010 11:38 AM
So you think size matters? I don't think God thinks size matters.
I mean look at how big you are relative to the Universe, relative to God. You aren't even a speck.
Should God, because of your relative size, say about you what you say about "just a clump of cells" that you think no one cares about? I do believe God cares and, if He cares, guess what, we should all lend an ear.
Let me clue you in since you are well, clueless.
It's not just the physical part of an unborn child that pro-lifers are concerned about. It's the baby's immortal soul (yes, that invisible, undetectable, and no-size part) as the expression of God's will embodied in every single conception that we are concerned about and even more so. Guess what....God is concerned too....real, real concerned. I mean, one can foolishly provoke a divine response if one really, really tries.
You see, when a child is conceived, God, from the beginning of time had a plan for that child. And what does an abortion do? You got it....it messes with God's will. Not a very smart thing to do. Natural processes, you know, those instituted and created by God, well, they're natural, i.e., consistent with His will.
So, to somehow embrace and express some sick, self-satisfying lies about Jill Stanek as a justification for abortion, is really, really ignorant, i.e., demonstrates a complete lack of understanding.
My guess is that you're young and immature and really haven't thought about this to any really deep level. Either that or you're a real, real shallow person.
Think some more and don't use your own perspective. Think outside your close-minded box.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 25, 2010 11:47 AM
"Your assertion regarding NFP is particularly ridiculous. In NFP there is no chemical or physical alteration of the womb environment. So any fertilized egg that is expelled is truly due to natural causes - not man-made ones."
So? If a zygote is a valuable life and preventing it from implanting is murder, then why risk it at all? Why would you want to cause an unintentional death by using NFP--knowing you might conceive and then flush out the "little person"? If using birth control pills is murder, then using NFP is manslaughter. The only option is to stop having sex completely.
It's fairly obvious that all reasonable people, including Jill, believe that abortion becomes more problematic as time goes on. Otherwise, why does she constantly use the "late-term abortionist" label? If all abortions are morally equal, why does it matter if it's late-term? Pretending zygotes deserve equal rights is just a way to force Catholic dogma re: birth control on the public. It's a roundabout way of forcing a particular religion on people.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at March 25, 2010 11:49 AM
Wouldn't you like to know more about Planned Parenthood's REAL views? There is a documentary called: Maafa21 Black Genocide in 21st Century America and the producers of Maafa21 went directly to the source, researching the information from the papers of Margaret Sanger , Planned Parenthood, and their board. Maafa21 documents that Margaret Sanger – founder of Planned Parenthood was an avowed racist who delivered a stunning pro-KLAN speech to the KKK and that Sanger , by her own admission, was invited by the racist and violent KLAN, to deliver at least 12 additional speeches to their members. Sanger was also an avowed eugenicist and a 100% committed member of the American Eugenics Society. Lovely, huh? Today, Planned Parenthood’s highest award the “Margaret Sanger Award” is named in her “honor” of this former Klan speaker, shocking ! And now the American taxpayer will be forced to fund them to even more, more shocking ! There is a targeting going on and African Americans are in the crossfires. Planned Parenthood kills more African Americans babies through abortion and the numbers continue to grow. Any wonder why the Government is pushing abortion in health care so they can carry on this Eugenic plan? Listen to the words of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who told the New York Magazine in July of 2009, that she thought abortion was legalized to QUOTE, "get rid of the populations we no longer wanted” Just who are these “populations” Ginsburg and Planned Parenthood’s founder “no longer wants” find out by watching Maafa21 http://www.maafa21.comPosted by: anonymous at March 25, 2010 11:53 AM
"It's not just the physical part of an unborn child that pro-lifers are concerned about. It's the baby's immortal soul (yes, that invisible, undetectable, and no-size part) as the expression of God's will embodied in every single conception that we are concerned about and even more so."
That's your religious conviction, not something you can force on me or anyone else.
Also, I don't know why some people have trouble understanding this, but pregnancy DOES begin at implantation, not conception. There is absolutely no way to determine whether you've conceived. Even if you have, your hormones will not start to change until it implants. What do we call the bodily and hormonal changes that begin after implantation? Pregnancy.
We can argue about whether life begins at conception, but pregnancy certainly does not. So if you want to ban birth control pills, you're doing it because a fertilized egg may or may not be floating around in your tubes. That will never go over with the public.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at March 25, 2010 11:59 AM
Posted by: Ashley Herzog at March 25, 2010 11:59 AM
Ashley - here's a photo of what a couple of cells looks like:
If you still think it's okay to do that, then obviously you have no problem supporting this:
Or do you prefer running people through tree shredders first like the Hussein brothers?Posted by: Chris Arsenault at March 25, 2010 12:06 PM
Again Ashley, no surprise there, I mean the symptoms revealed by your condition are common to pro-aborts and predictable. We see it a lot here and we know it's source and cause.
Well, I'm not religious at all and your response reveals an ignorance you seem unwilling to deal with.
But yes, I do have a relationship with Jesus Christ and yes, I do know what He says in His word.
And a big yes, God is pro-life and the creation screams this out. Hmmmm, don't need a Bible to see that now do I? But to deny that, wooh, now that takes some real, concentrated, although be it misdirected effort.
A lot of us, however, choose to wear noise suppression head phones, thinking that doing so will make what's creating the sound disappear. Guess what happens when the "energizer bunny batteries" die?
Can you take off those head phones for just a second? Maybe your fatal heart condition will he healed.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 25, 2010 12:28 PM
That's not a zygote before implantation, that's a 9 or 10 week old embryo (I'm guessing). What pro-lifers pretend to get all worked up about and call "tiny babies" is this:Posted by: Ashley Herzog at March 25, 2010 12:28 PM
"Stupak is another member of the Knights of Columbus who has gone rogue on the life issues. He also voted to set up Clinton's pro-abort offices worldwide."
"I've dubbed this creep "Black Bart, Black Knight"
Posted by: Gerard Nadal at March 24, 2010 11:03 PM
Do you know if he can maintain his membership in the Knights of Columbus? I can't imagine a Knight in my parish ever being a pro-abort.Posted by: Janet at March 25, 2010 12:47 PM
Ashley: Are bigger people worth more than small people?
I'm bigger -- and more physically developed -- than any of my children. Am I worth more than them? Is my life worth more than theirs?Posted by: Naaman at March 25, 2010 1:04 PM
"Ashley: Are bigger people worth more than small people?"
Well, apparently everyone feels that late-term fetuses are worth more than zygotes. Jill gives herself away every time she uses the label "late-term abortionist." She is using that label to emphasize that late-term abortion is especially bad, much worse than early abortion. That also explains why more pro-life energy is directed at doctors who perform late abortions, like Dr. Tiller.
Have you ever heard anyone use the phrase "Early-term abortionist"? No, because no one feels deep down that birth control pills, early abortion, and late-term abortion are all morally equivalent. Developmental stage does matter, even if you pretend it doesn't.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at March 25, 2010 1:25 PM
I'm OFFICIALLY de-Fanning Stupak on Facebook!Posted by: Diana at March 25, 2010 1:58 PM
I hear what you're saying. I don't have any problem with birth control and in fact I'm always curious why pro-life advocates equate abortion with birth control, because equating a nonliving things (the pill) with a living thing (a fetus) is sort of degrading: you wouldn't use the words "women" and "bucket" interchangeably.
I would also like to add that Planned Parenthood doesn't JUST perform abortions. I find abortion despicable and I'm all for fighting it through laws, healthcare, and raising the status of women and children, and Planned Parenthood does, though not always, provide STD testing, cancer screenings, et cetera. While I would rather see a different group of health clinics funded, if there are none and this particular center does not perform abortions then they are the ones who need the funding to help women who can't afford healthcare.Posted by: Vannah at March 25, 2010 2:29 PM
I guess I am a little confused about your comment.
Not all prolifers believe the same things, please bear that in mind. Abortion as birth control? Yeah, I am against that. Birth control that kills an already forming child? Yeah, I am against that too.
I guess you need to brush up on the evil that is Planned Parenthood. They kill children, cover up rape, lie to women and don't forget they kill children.
Also, please watch the movie Maafa21. You will be horrified at the eugenic roots of Planned Parenthood. I just watched it last weekend and am still processing it!!Posted by: carla at March 25, 2010 3:27 PM
A child that is 9-10 weeks along in the womb is not called an embryo. Do you not see the tiny face, hands, arms?? That are mangled, btw.
The photo of cells that you posted should be put in all of our baby books. Cause we did all start out that way did we not??
By the time a woman even finds out she is pregnant all organ systems are in place and the heart is beating. Amazing, I know.Posted by: carla at March 25, 2010 3:31 PM
I don't support Planned Parenthood, Carla, because I disagree with refusing to report rape and abortion, so that's not what I meant. I support that they do give cancer screenings and other such valuable tests- that's why I favor organizations that work for that. Planned Parenthood is on my list of Shady Organizations. It's two organizations long right now. ^.^
As far as the group's past stance on racism- I haven't seen the documentary. But I thought that Planned Parenthood was pro-life when it started? I always assumed that Margaret Sanger was therefore "pro-life" but I still despised her racism, even if she thought that unborn people deserved equality (well, white unborn people, I suppose). Was she technically "pro-life" or am I mistaken? I don't know. I'm trying to find people on the basis of what they do right for the world, or what they try to do right, because I do horrific things, too, and I don't wish to be seen as a bad person. I want to be a good person and I want to help people be their best and have faith in the good of all.
Rest assured- I still support equality for everyone. ^.^Posted by: Vannah at March 25, 2010 5:03 PM
Are we really surprised by this?Posted by: why does abortion exist at March 25, 2010 8:01 PM
Vannah, what on earth gave you the idea that Sanger was pro-life?
She went to Germany and was fascinated by Hitler and wanted to institute his eugenistic plans here in the U.S. She was never in any way shape or form pro-life!Posted by: Elisabeth at March 25, 2010 8:37 PM
And Hitler was in turn fascinated by the eugenicists in the US and learned quite a bit from them as well.
Please watch Maafa21. Nothing usually shocks me much anymore.......this did.Posted by: carla at March 25, 2010 8:43 PM
Planned Parenthood does screenings. Yep. They also kill thousands of children everyday and wound women.
That is why they keep saying, "But we do screenings too...and hand out condoms...and tell kids that sex is good when they are 10 years old. Never mind that we kill babies...we do screenings."Posted by: carla at March 25, 2010 8:47 PM
I'll try and watch it if I have time, Carla.
Elisabeth: I meant "pro-life" as in, I don't know if she favored legal abortion or not. Given Planned Parenthood's early stance on abortion, I always assumed that she was opposed to legal abortion, but like I said I don't know. She was hardly pro-life if she supported eugenics.
I'm fine with birth control but a). Margaret Sanger did not invent birth control and b). if you're down with Hitler, we'll stand on opposite sides of a debate. But I meant by that title was her stance on abortion- I don't care if she said, "Keep it illegal." Being that outspokenly racist, as I've read from several sources, is something that will alienate me very quickly.
This is off-topic: I thought about you today, Carla. I send you internet-hugs and a reminder to listen to the Stevie Nicks Song of the Day: Sara. :)Posted by: Vannah at March 25, 2010 9:03 PM
She most definitely favored the legality of abortion... and not just the CHOICE for abortion, but FORCED abortion for "undesirables"... anyone not as "worthy" of life as she was.
She worked to get black ministers to go into minority areas to convince minority women that abortion was a-okay.
There is no possible way that pro-life could ever be used to describe her.Posted by: Elisabeth at March 25, 2010 9:07 PM
Vannah, it's long, but you must see this.Posted by: klynn73 at March 25, 2010 9:11 PM
Elisabeth is right. There is so much info on Maafa21 about Margaret Sanger I think my mouth pretty much hung open the whole time I watched.
Stevie Nicks hug right back to you, girl! :)Posted by: carla at March 25, 2010 9:13 PM
"Family Planning is a pillar of women's healthcare."
yeah, right. That's a "man's" view of things.
Depends upon what you mean by healthcare.
prescribing BC pills that have all kinds of side effects, doing abortions with their own kind of side effects is not healthcare.
and it's certainly not health care to the female babies who are butchered there......Posted by: angel at March 25, 2010 9:53 PM
Birth control...not so much.
Posted by: xalisae at March 25, 2010 11:31 AM
Getting on the bus to somewhere OTHER THAN Planned Parenthood to get your birth control, I am sure :)
Hormonal birth control (the pill, the patch, the shot, some IUDs) can work in 3 ways:
First, it can prevent ovulation. This is not my business.
Second, it can cause thicker cervical fluids, so that sperm may have more difficulty reaching the egg. So not my business.
Third, it can thin the uterine lining, preventing a newly conceived human being (about 5 to 10 days old) from implanting. That is, perhaps, not murder, but at least manslaughter. Emergency contraception works the same way, but not as well.
The proof of this lies in the statistics on ectopic pregnancies. If the pill never worked by preventing implantation, one would expect that the percentage of pregnancies of women on the pill which were ectopic would be the same as the percentage of pregnancies among non-pill-users which were ectopic. If ovulation and fertilization occur, it is no harder for the embryo to implant in the fallopian tube in pill-users than non-pill-users. In fact, a much higher percentage of pill pregnancies are ectopic. Logically, either the pill causes ectopic pregnancy or prevents normal pregnancy after fertilization in some cases. Because we know the hormones thin the endometrium (uterine lining), it is logical to assume that the pill prevents implantation (but causing ectopic pregnancy would not be good either).
IUDs sometimes release hormones, and there is some evidence that copper IUDs may kill sperm. But any other IUD works entirely by preventing implantation.
I've also read some places that the pill (because it has altered the endometrium) can be the cause of miscarriages up to a year after it is discontinued.
Perhaps Jill uses the term "late-term abortionist" just because others see these as more evil, not because she does. Perhaps it is because it is harder to show sympathy to younger, less developed babies, and so it should be clear to even the most morally corrupt that there is something wrong with ripping up a baby who looks like a newborn. So while the acts are equally evil, the evil is more apparent in late-term abortion. (And as for pharmacists, one could argue that they only provide the means, not do the killing themselves.)
I have lost children as early as 10 days that I know of. I had a miscarriage at 10 days after ovulation. That baby was my son, and I love him. I named him Ebenezer (which means stone of help). If I love him less than the children I was able to carry until birth, it was only because I knew him less. (I also love my children less than my friends' children, but that doesn't make them more valuable.) I don't know if I have lost children before implantation, but if I have, I love them too, because they are my children. And if I have, one day I will meet them.
If someone wants to use a condom, that's between them and their partner and God. I don't think God would approve, but it's not my problem, and frankly I'm all for democrats, liberals, and heathens using condoms, diaphragms, sponges, foam, pulling out, NFP, or whatever else. We will outbreed you. If someone wants to kill their child, I have a problem with that.
And when someone tells me that some of my children are worthless, I definitely have a problem with that. Ebenezer is as much my child as my living son and daughter, and just as valuable. And now he is with Jesus.
Make fun of me if you want, but don't tell me I don't believe all human beings are equal.Posted by: ycw at March 26, 2010 12:51 PM
Amen, ycw!Posted by: carla at March 26, 2010 4:02 PM
Carla, I seem to have been deleted.Posted by: ycw at March 26, 2010 4:05 PM
There you are!! :)Posted by: carla at March 26, 2010 4:12 PM