You do realize that abortion doesn't even make the top ten list of issues Americans care about?

I'd vote for a pro-life candidate if he reflected my views on the important issues.

Yes, abortion is important.

FetusFascist, while many Americans may not care about abortion, the vote-pro-life folks are quite numerous, and frankly they make or break elections. This is why Giuliani cannot possibly win.

Hi Nate!

No offense to the Clintons or to ABC, but you've been all over this for how many years now, Jill? ;)

I'm not kidding. While keeping Roe v. Wade the law of the land is important to me, the vast majority of Americans don't care either way:

http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm

I'm not kidding. While keeping Roe v. Wade the law of the land is important to me, the vast majority of Americans don't care either way:

http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm

Laura,

If you don't care either way, why'd you post it twice? ;)

Oh, FetusFascist is Laura, ehh? Good to know.

Bobby, how is the baby?

If you don't care either way, why'd you post it twice? ;)

Posted by: mk at January 10, 2008 1:49 PM
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Once for me, the other for THE SHRIEKING VOICE IN MY HEAD! MAKE IT STOP!

Bobby, go to this thread at the bottom..I was wrong about Zeke. He is, in fact, a male. lol
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/01/january_7_big_d.html

I'll vote for the Democratic candidate. I dont like Hillary's attitude towards gun control, but that bothers me less than the GOP attitude towards women and reproductive freedom.

Bobby,

I have missed you so much...we need to hear it...all of us...c'mon! say it...really, really loud. (Yesterday was a very rough day, and I could use those three little words that mean so much...you know the ones)only instead of MK, say it to everyone...

That's Zeke? WHOA!

Laura,

Once for me, the other for THE SHRIEKING VOICE IN MY HEAD! MAKE IT STOP!

Which one am I talking to now?

Laura,

If you take the headphones off or turn down the Ipod, it should stop.

Jill....

I'd love for you to answer my question.

Hi all. Gianna is doing great. I can't believe she's 8 weeks old! She's here at school with me now. Since I take care of the baby while the wife works, I only come into school about twice a week, which is why I'm not online as much. But we're getting a computer for home, so hopefully I'll be on more soon.

Thanks for the pic of Zeke, Bethany. That's kind of what I expected him to look like... And how bout that Doug? What a strapping lad! I like the idea of having pics for everyone to see.

The baby is starting to cry now. God LOVE you, my friends.

God LOVE you, my friends.

*SIGH*

Thanks Bobby!

If you take the headphones off or turn down the Ipod, it should stop.

Posted by: mk at January 10, 2008 2:16 PM
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Woah ........ and here I was thinking God was telling me 'Whiskey for my men ... beer for the horses'
That's a load off my mind ....

Truthseeker,

mk,
You make "friends" with the PC'ers on this blog
by replying to their mockery with sarcastic banter back and forth. Exactly how that is going to help them. It may allow them a temporary relief but it is disingenuous.
The sarcasm and mockery are "really" offensive to those who hold life inside the womb as a precious gift from God. I guess the people who are complaining see you not as helping the PC'ers but rather as playing up to them by joining with their sarcastic back and forth banter. I have no problem rebuking even the PL posters who would attack, but you need to have some serious dialogue with the PC crowd sometimes or the blog loses it's value.

You make a good point, but you haven't been here long enough. Lately, I've just been trying to keep everything civil. And if you look you'll see that Doug, Bethany and I have been having that very dialogue you are describing for months now.

It ebbs and flows. If I wasn't moderator I could "comment" more, but sometimes it's all I can do to keep Texas Red from starting a riot or finding the lost souls that Zeke has sent to hell.

Humor is my way, whether I'm talking with Pro choicers or Pro lifers. And ask anyone on here. I'm not all one liners. Carder has even hinted (wink) that I'm a bit verbose. There is a time for long wind and a time for light breezes...this week has been challenging, to say the least. And look, someone named Martin has showed up to sweeten the pot...

Heather,

I see that you posted on a dropped thread...

What I meant by "I think I'll pull a Heather" was that I needed to take a little time to gain some perspective. Didn't you do that last week with the foot surgery? I thought it was a great way to avoid making a bigger mess of things. I certainly wasn't mocking or insulting you...I was following your lead. It seemed quite prudent. Sorry if you misunderstood.

Texas,

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Woah ........ and here I was thinking God was telling me 'Whiskey for my men ... beer for the horses'
That's a load off my mind ....

*LOL*

"The abortion vote the GOP is planning to use to bring down Obama"

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

PiP, I'm sorry, what was the question?

Not to be mean - but when Obama grins like that I keep thinking of Cesar Romero when he played THE JOKER on the old Adam West Batman ....

Actually TR, I agree. LOL!

That's nothing. My kid brother- who is 18 and should know better- said that Obama looked like a monkey. It's not politically driven, either, my brother HAS no politics. He's just a doofus.

Not too long ago we read where Hillary was trying to best Barack as the more pro-choice of the two because of his wimpiness in voting "present" on some abortion legislation instead of a direct yes or no.

Coming on the heels of the Clintons' criticism of Barack's favorable media coverage it seems ABC is using the GOP as cover to help Hillary. Actually, the GOP will not have to do anything to expose Barack's position, as this will be thoroughly hammered out well in advance of the general election by Hill's and Barack's back and forth sniping on the issue.

That's nothing. My kid brother- who is 18 and should know better- said that Obama looked like a monkey. It's not politically driven, either, my brother HAS no politics. He's just a doofus.

Posted by: Erin at January 10, 2008 3:16 PM
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George Bush is the one who looks like a monkey - he looks like a chimpanzee - he could have been in PLANET OF THE APES and wouldnt have even needed make up

Texas,

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Woah ........ and here I was thinking God was telling me 'Whiskey for my men ... beer for the horses'
That's a load off my mind ....

*LOL*

Posted by: mk at January 10, 2008 2:41 PM
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I was sitting here wondering 'Which horses?' and 'Where do I find that much beer? Ive got a six pack of Red Stripe in the fridge but thats not going to mean much to a horse ...

Yeah, that's what I came back with. My conservative parents were none too pleased.

Also remember that Mrs. Obama is one of the most rabidly pro late term terminators out there. I wonder if she knows that abortion is the biggest killer of Afro Americans?

Remember her infamous letter?

Maybe Barak knows he...(how can I say this without being so vulgar?)won't get you know what if he is anti abortion.

The man is married with children. I don't think he has to worry about it.

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What a lot of crap from Hisman - how predictable. The fool even harbors the delusion that HE (or whatever idiot he is quoting) defines what constitutes murder, ignoring the actual defintion of the word. We have more proof that idiots flock to the antichoice side, as if we needed more proof.

Posted by: TexasRed at January 10, 2008 10:04 AM
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TexasRed,
I myself was a bit surpised when I looked up murder and it included the word illegal.
Does that mean all the babies aborted before
the Death Roe decision were murder but the last 50 million were just the wanton slaughter of human life with premeditated malice? Oh, I forgot to mention the mutilation and mangling.
Is that rally what the PC community stands for or is it just a few bad apples? Any PC'ers care to reply on Red's behalf I would be glad to hear it.

Red,
Like I thought, most PC'ers aren't in it for the baby killing, wether it is legal or not.

And fetusfascist,
Unlike you, most PC'ers don't need to dehumanize the human life inside the womb in order to feel good about themselves.

Truthseeker, I like you.

Thank you Heather

You're welcome.

Truthseeker: And fetusfascist, Unlike you, most PC'ers don't need to dehumanize the human life inside the womb in order to feel good about themselves.

I don't see where she "dehumanized" anything, at least in this thread. Heck, the unborn in this argument are as human as you and me - the DNA is there. What is operative is that they may be unwanted.

Doug

Oh Doug, you're gunna get attacked for that one im sure

And fetusfascist,
Unlike you, most PC'ers don't need to dehumanize the human life inside the womb in order to feel good about themselves.

Posted by: Truthseeker at January 10, 2008 4:29 PM
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Why would that have anything to do with the way I feel about myself?
Do you think I stand around all day bellowing "I'm WAY better than a fetus!"

Hee hee hee I love computers.

WOW! I was telling all of my friends exactly that a week ago!

Not that its anything to bragg about. How could the Clintons and their friends in the media let this huge story of Obama opposing the BAIPA get swept under the rug?

Its obvious that if Billary wants to come out on top then they'll have to get this info to as many voters as possible.

Good discussion with Bob Enyart and Brian Rohrbaugh on Bob Enyart Live Tuesday and Wednesday Nathan!

Check it out here

http://www.kgov.com

"Not that its anything to bragg about. How could the Clintons and their friends in the media let this huge story of Obama opposing the BAIPA get swept under the rug?"

because she wants to proves that shes more pro-abort then him.

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Truthseeker: And fetusfascist, Unlike you, most PC'ers don't need to dehumanize the human life inside the womb in order to feel good about themselves.

I don't see where she "dehumanized" anything, at least in this thread. Heck, the unborn in this argument are as human as you and me - the DNA is there. What is operative is that they may be unwanted.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at January 10, 2008 6:43 PM
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Doug,
I haven't been around the blog long but I though I heard about crotch goo. Maybe you missed it

Doug, you said

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Truthseeker: And fetusfascist, Unlike you, most PC'ers don't need to dehumanize the human life inside the womb in order to feel good about themselves.

I don't see where she "dehumanized" anything, at least in this thread. Heck, the unborn in this argument are as human as you and me - the DNA is there. What is operative is that they may be unwanted.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at January 10, 2008 6:43 PM
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Doug,
I haven't been around the blog long but I though I heard about crotch goo. Maybe you missed it

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Why would that have anything to do with the way I feel about myself?
Do you think I stand around all day bellowing "I'm WAY better than a fetus!"

Posted by: FetusFascist at January 10, 2008 7:19
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Now we have the definition to go with the name.
fetusfascist:
- somebody who stands around all day bellowing
"I'm WAY better than a fetus"

Truthseeker: Doug, I haven't been around the blog long but I though I heard about crotch goo. Maybe you missed it

TS, I said I didn't see where she did that, at least in this thread. On "crotch goo," etc., - yes, you do see such from time-to-time. Still, the same thing applies - even the goo can be just as human as you and me.

"Human" is not really the argument here. If you see somebody saying that the unborn in this argument are "not human," then they're wrong and I'd argue it with them as hard as anybody.

Doug

Doug,

You've brought up an interesting point...

Let's take a poll.

How many of you think that "the product of conception" is not human?

Well, Jill, I see you're getting into it with the thin-skinned pseudo-pundit over at the Trib. You should know that he will not allow an inch for anyone who says anything critical about Obama. A guy called Obama an empty suit and Zorn threatened to ban him and called him a racist (and the commenter was a lib, too). Someone said that Obama seemed arrogant in the debate. Zorn accused her of being racist, too.
In the view of Zorn and other Chicago media, there is no legitimate criticism of Obama.

Doug,
It's not just saying things like that as part of a debate. It's saying it, being asked to stop cause it hurts, and ignoring the other persons sensitivities. At least that's how Sandy put it yesterday and from what I saw ff was not at all apologetic when Sandy brought it up.

Well, seeing as how both barack and hilary have the same pro-choice rating by the same organizations, trying to call one out as more pro-choice than the other won't work too well.

And I doubt hilary was referencing this bill, rather, she seemed to be referencing the same half-quote Bill constantly goes to to try and make Obama seem like a liar on his war stance.

Doug: Re your picture of Obama. Now you have me thinking he is really from Kentucky.

My sense is that pointing out Obama's extremism will help him in the Democratic primary (which is why it is Republicans and not fellow Democrats who are thinking about using it). In fact, Hillary hit Obama for voting present on a number of abortion related votes.

Dems are Zorn-like in their love of abortion rights.

mk -

I notice that there were no takers on your poll question. Interesting:)

Doug: Re your picture of Obama. Now you have me thinking he is really from Kentucky.

Ha, Anonymous - have to laugh at that, though I know what you mean. However, some of the best people I know and have ever worked with are from Kentucky.

In fact, the dumbest person in Kentucky moved to Tennessee, and the collective IQs of both states went up!

Doug, It's not just saying things like that as part of a debate. It's saying it, being asked to stop cause it hurts, and ignoring the other persons sensitivities. At least that's how Sandy put it yesterday and from what I saw ff was not at all apologetic when Sandy brought it up.

Truthseeker, you have a good point there. There are people on both sides who like to "push buttons."

So, point taken, but also I think that there is "spin" often engaged in by some members of either side of the argument, i.e. there is sometimes some real presumption by pro-lifers too.

And so it goes. I like your posts - you're pretty darn reasonable.

Doug

Brian: Dems are Zorn-like in their love of abortion rights.

Brian, Jim Zorn, first Quarterback of the Seattle Seahawks, who often threw to Steve Largent, who later was a US Congressman?

Or John Zorn, composer, producer, plays a bunch of instruments, has hundreds of album credits.?

They were both born in 1953, by the way.

Or are you a Trekkie and meant "Borg"?

I notice that there were no takers on your poll question. Interesting:)

That's right, Tara. The argument is really not whether "human" applies or not.

Ahhh...Doug, I am so embarrassed that I understand that. *hangs her Trekkie head in shame*

Erin - yeah, but what a beautiful head.

Where were women like you when I was in college?

Oh yeah, that's right - it was an all-male place at the time.

:: laughing ::

I love you, Rae, Leah, Midnite, Jess, Elizabeth, and I'm sorry if I'm leaving others out in that age group.

Sheesh - I didn't start thinking about abortion much until I was 37 yers old.

It's not only the way you look. I love your mind.

Doug

Aw, you make me feel special, Doug.

You will be assimilated! Resistance is futile!

Doug, Eric Zorn, with whom Jill tangles regarding Obama's steadfast resistance to caring for those who survive an abortion.

@Erin: ASSIMILATE THIS!!!!!

(I love Star Trek as well!)

Wow,
We all agree it's human life. How about another poll. Can we all agree that a healthy "fetus" desrves to live?

Brian, thanks for the reply!

By the way, that's my dream tag-team, Erin and Rae.

You both are mucho special.

Doug