From Eric Scheidler, hot off the press:
I've just gotten word that Fox News Channel (national) is going to be out at the Planned Parenthood site between 2 and 3 p.m. today.
They're interested in what we're doing here, and they're in the Chicago area all day conducting interviews on the Planned Parenthood situation.
So if you can make it, come out to the Vigil site at 2 o'clock to help show how broad the opposition to Planned Parenthood is. There's even a chance - if you're willing - that they might interview YOU.
If this story gets out on a national outlet like Fox News Channel, it could be a huge breakthrough for us.
Aurora, Illinois is becoming GROUND ZERO in the fight against Planned Parenthood. Thanks to us, America is beginning to learn their truly sinister nature.
Hope to see you out there today!
That's encouraging news!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 11:54 AM
Well I'd come protest to your protest but I live to far away (and actually I'd only come to see people in person) not protest, then I'd leave and go take a nap.Posted by: midnite678 at September 4, 2007 12:06 PM
I sure hope you're going to be there!Posted by: mk at September 4, 2007 1:03 PM
"If this story gets out on a national outlet like Fox News Channel, it could be a huge breakthrough for us."
I don't see it as a huge breakthrough. The nation always knows that there is a small group of religious anti-abortion protesters who love the media limelight.
One more story won't change anything. Have fun though.Posted by: hal at September 4, 2007 1:22 PM
hal, what makes you think it's a small group?Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 1:24 PM
okay, a big group. who cares?Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2007 1:26 PM
The big group cares.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 1:29 PM
Yes, they care very much, but they won't accomplish anything. I'd bet you $1.00 that the clinic opens on time and is a valuable community asset for years to come.Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2007 1:45 PM
A valuable community asset? LOL!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 1:50 PM
Blah blah blah blah. I need to be able to read people's minds. Is there a way to do that w/o involving truth serum or torture??Posted by: midnite678 at September 4, 2007 1:52 PM
"The nation always knows that there is a small group of religious anti-abortion protesters who love the media limelight."
I don't know how many people are aware of this, but I just wanted to point out that there are atheists and agnostics who are pro life. Check out one of their websites. http://godlessprolifers.org/home.html
Click on the link called "members" and you will see many, many people who are not religious, yet oppose abortion. God love you, Hal.
Where are the people supporting this PP clinic? Certainly they should overwhelm the PL demonstrators in number, since the PL group is supposedly so small and the majority of the American people support abortion.
The PL demonstrators are religious? I would remind you the civil rights movement was also very religously oriented. Did this diminish the civil rights movement in any way?
The value of choice
Calling abortion 'responsible' is irresponsible
BY RICHARD SHUMATE
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By now, you may have seen a new TV ad sponsored by the NARAL Foundation, an abortion-rights group, that is running in Georgia and 11 other states. In the spot, images of (presumably) pro-choice women float by, accompanied by a voiceover extolling their strength and character. ("I have a strong will," "I believe in myself," etc.)
One voice-over statement in particular caught my attention: "I accept full responsibility for the decisions I make."
Oh, really? Taking full responsibility means accepting, and dealing with, the consequences of our decisions -- even if they're inconvenient or disruptive or unpleasant to face. For it is our capacity to endure consequence, and come out a better person on the other side, that makes the term "human being" a statement rather than merely a description.
In that context, touting abortion as an exercise of responsibility is, well, irresponsible -- not to mention a perversion of the word. Engaging in an act of heterosexual intercourse has, as a potential outcome, pregnancy, even if precautions are taken. Thus choice -- and consequence -- also happen at orgasm, not just in the waiting room of a clinic. We can argue until the cows come home over whether a fetus is a full-blown person or merely a collection of cells. We can debate over when we believe life begins. But no one can dispute that, left alone and barring complications, a baby is the eventual result of a pregnancy. We also can argue about whether terminating that potential baby's only shot at life should be legal. But as an exhibition of responsibility by the mother, there is no question that abortion falls far short -- particularly from the baby's perspective.
We shouldn't be surprised by this ad, though. After all, we live in a society where people are willing to do practically anything to evade, delay or deny the consequences of the choices they make. Smoke cigarettes for 40 years until your lungs look like burnt cottage cheese? Sue the tobacco companies. Invest your retirement savings in the stock of a single company that goes belly up? Scream to your congressman. Conceive a child you didn't plan or don't want? Just make it go away.
By now, I suspect some of the NARAL supporters in my audience are prepared to fire off a letter pointing out how irresponsible it is to bring a child into the world if you can't care for it, or if it faces abuse or abandonment. But let's ponder that argument for a moment. What they are really saying is that, if children are going to be poor or handicapped or born into a family situation that's not ideal, they are better off not being born at all. Better off dead.
Such sentiment is as elitist as it is offensive. But it's not that incongruous coming from a political movement largely driven by educated upper-middle-class white women. This "kill them to save them" rhetoric also ignores the fact that parents who feel they can't take care of their children can always give them up for adoption to give them a better life.
But even that small sacrifice appears to be too much for the folks at NARAL. As a strong libertarian, I share NARAL's perspective that the government should not be dictating the reproductive choices people make. But that doesn't mean that we, as a society, shouldn't challenge those choices -- that we can't stand up and say that some things are right and others are wrong. Do we really want to encourage people to take the easiest way out, rather than working through the consequences of their choices? Do we build a better world by telling mothers and fathers that sacrificing their progeny's existence for the sake of their own convenience is a value-neutral choice? Is it wise to send the message that if something is legal, it is also right?
The NARAL ad ends with this tagline: "What's life without choice?" A valid question, to be sure. But let's not stop there. We must also ask, "What's life without responsibility?"
Richard Shumate is a writer in Buckhead, where he dodges the slings and arrows of upper-middle-class white women whose choices he's challenged.
Posted by: Heather
at September 4, 2007 1:57 PM
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Hal, the point in this post is that a valuable community asset does not promote irresponsibility. Abortion is irresponsible!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:02 PM
Why are you betting only a dollar? If you're so certain, heck go for it. You could enjoy an early retirement.Posted by: Mary at September 4, 2007 2:04 PM
the unborn children might carePosted by: jessie at September 4, 2007 2:05 PM
An excellent post and great point. Abortion, like slavery and civil rights, is a moral issue, not a religious one. People of all faiths and no faith are united in opposition.Posted by: Mary at September 4, 2007 2:06 PM
Mary, LOL! You beat me to the question!!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:07 PM
Amen.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at September 4, 2007 2:07 PM
Bobby, thank you for clearing that up! There are plenty of non religious folks who are against abortion!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:09 PM
jessie, great point!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:10 PM
Too bad not everyone has the same morals though...Posted by: midnite678 at September 4, 2007 2:10 PM
In an unrelated story:
Happy birthday to me
Happy birthday to me
Happy birthday dear Leah
Happy birthday to me (three days ago)
You guys remember that song by the French Canadians that was in that post a month or two ago? I got their CD for my birthday! Woohoo!! Best birthday present... EVER!
Are ya one? Are ya two? Are ya three?...Posted by: Leah at September 4, 2007 2:21 PM
Are ya four?Posted by: Bobby Bambino at September 4, 2007 2:23 PM
Happy birthday, Leah! Mary, when/if you come back, I wanted to ask you a question.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:24 PM
Happy birthday, Leah! God love you.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at September 4, 2007 2:25 PM
"I don't see it as a huge breakthrough. The nation always knows that there is a small group of religious anti-abortion protesters who love the media limelight."
Do you work for CNN, NBC,ABC or CBS by any chance?
jasper...hahahahaha..that's funnyPosted by: jessie at September 4, 2007 2:31 PM
May the dear Lord bless you,
May the dear Lord bless you,
May the dear Lord bless Leeeeeeeeeeeeeah,
(Big Finish Everyone)
May the dear Lord bless you!!!!!
* * ** * * * *
* horns*whistles*HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEAH*whistles*horns
One estimate says 700 showed up, and I'd say that was probable!
Mary, if you happen to return, I was just wondering if you'd seen where Sonya responded to all of us....."What Women Deserve" poem / post. Take a look if you get a minute.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:36 PM
Happy Birthday or should I say "bonne anniversaire" and risk Jill's wrath! Anyway, have a great birthday.
Heather, I'm back.Posted by: Mary at September 4, 2007 2:36 PM
Mary, see my above post, if you will. That was my question.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:40 PM
Yes I did see that some time ago. I corresponded with her personally and cleared up some misunderstanding she had concerning exactly what I said in my posts. She is a very intelligent woman and was very gracious when corresponding with me.
Mary, I also e-mailed her. I was just wondering.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 2:47 PM
Did I miss it?
I've been waching FAUX News on and off for the last 2-3 hours and didn't hear a thing about it.
(Of course O'Reilly and FAUX were burned pretty badly on the Operation Rescue/Tiller thing. They may be a little gun-shy...)
no news is good news.Posted by: Hal at September 4, 2007 4:50 PM
Omaha, Nebraska ? As pro-lifers protested on Saturday at the Omaha home of Planned Parenthood abortionist Meryl Severson, news broke that Severson is being sued by a 40-year old woman whose abortion he botched.
The woman, who filed the suit Friday under the pseudonym ?Jane Roe,? alleges that Severson so severely botched her abortion that she lost 80% of her total blood volume and required an emergency hysterectomy to save her life.
According to the complaint, the woman reported to the Lincoln Planned Parenthood office on August 17, 2007, for an abortion in the 8th week of pregnancy. During the suction abortion, she felt a sharp, excruciating pain and asked abortionist Severson to stop. Three employees then held the woman down while he completed the suction process in spite of her pleas.
In the recovery area, a friend who accompanied her to the abortion clinic attempted to help her to the bathroom, but the woman, who was in intense pain and bleeding, passed out and suffered the first of three seizures.
The woman was transported by ambulance to the local hospital where doctors treated her for ?catastrophic perforation? of the uterus, which would have resulted in her death if treatment had been delayed any longer.
?This is yet another horror story from a Planned Parenthood abortion mill,? said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. ?How many women has this happened to that have not filed lawsuits? When we see stories like this, we know it is just the tip of the iceberg.?
Severson lives in Omaha, but splits his time between three abortion mills in Lincoln, Nebraska, Council Bluffs and Souix City, Iowa.
Larry Donlan of Rescue the Heartland led the protest at Severson?s home that included one of Operation Rescue?s Truth Trucks, which circled through the neighborhood showing the consequences of abortion.
?People need to be aware that when they walk into a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic, they may not walk out,? said Newman.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 4:52 PM
WOW. These abortionists are such great doctors. I wouldn't trust them with a dying dog.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 4:55 PM
Jackson, MS (LifeNews.com) -- A Mississippi abortion practitioner whose patients suffered damaging and even deadly complications has been suspended indefinitely by the state medical board. The suspension of Dr. Malachy Dehenre came after he testified that he did not like performing some 35,000 abortions but did so because he needed the work.
?I ask your forgiveness,? said the 54-year-old Dehenre. "I don't want to be an outcast. I want to be among the medical community."
Dehenre has been under temporary suspension since August. He had performed abortions at the New Woman Medical Center in Jackson and the facility closed following his suspension.
In December, an Alabama medical board found Dehenre guilty of gross malpractice in four abortions. In one case, a woman died 18 hours after having an abortion. The women involved in the other three cases had to have hysterectomies to stop massive hemorrhaging from uterine perforations.
During his testimony, Dehenre stated, "I found work in Jackson, and it happened to be an abortion clinic in which an obstetrician was needed. I needed money to pay expenses and education for my children. It was supposed to be temporary, but it turned out to be longer. I was in a position I didn't want to be in, but I needed work."
In the case involving a death, Dehenre admitted he should have met the patient at the hospital or relayed medical information to the doctor who treated her.
"We hope to hear from you at a later date when you get things straight in Alabama," Mississippi board president Dr. Dewitt G. Crawford of Louisville told Dehenre.
Dehenre will have to regain his license in Alabama before he can seek reinstatement in Mississippi. The Alabama suspension will last at least one year.
Pat Cartrette, executive director of Pro-Life Mississippi, told the press, "I am pleased that the board made the right decision. ... What they did will keep women safe in Mississippi."
In a statement issued last year, Pro-Life Mississippi said Dehenre ?is now being held accountable for the injuries and death to women at abortion clinics and we thank God that both women and their unborn babies are now safe from this abortionist.?
Related web sites:Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 5:03 PM
"(Of course O'Reilly and FAUX were burned pretty badly on the Operation Rescue/Tiller thing. They may be a little gun-shy...)"
How?Posted by: jasper at September 4, 2007 5:05 PM
1 death and 3 hysterectomies. The state of Alabama will consider allowing him to have his licence reinstated? HHHHHMMMMM, am I missing something?Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 5:11 PM
jasper, let's not lose our focus here. It's all about her right to choose.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 5:16 PM
Here are some perverted abortionists who were busted!! Dr. Finkel, Dr. Ghali, Dr. Namihas, Dr. Reich....it's all about the safe and legal choice though.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 5:19 PM
WOMAN IN COMA AFTER SURGERY AT PLANNED PARENTHOOD
3-Nov-2000 -- EWTN Pro-Family News
Sister says Dr. Robert Crist performed operation
WASHINGTON, DC --- Did the doctor at Planned Parenthood place an
oxygen tube in Linda McCowen's stomach instead of her lungs? This is the
question the family of Linda McGowan wants answered.
This fact came to light when Ed Szymkowiak, national director of STOPP
International, spoke with McCowen's sister, Shannon Fisher.
Fisher said the family speculates the oxygen tube, which was supposed to
be placed in McCown's lung, was placed in her stomach instead. Linda
McCown, 27, of Sedalia, Mo. remained comatose on Nov. 10 following a
tubal ligation she had at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park,
Kansas on Nov. 2. KMBC-TV News in Kansas City reported that during the
surgery, McCown, a mother of four, had gone without oxygen for a period of
Fisher said that the doctor who performed the operation is Robert Crist. (Dr.
Crist is Planned Parenthood's chief abortionist at the Forest Park Street
abortuary in St. Louis.) Fisher also said that the family will be taking legal
Malpractice at Planned Parenthood is nothing new. Lawsuits filed against
Planned Parenthood facilities across the country include medical
malpractice, plus violations of health codes, medical record and patient care
deficiencies, unsanitary conditions, altered lab reports, fraudulent billing,
equipment and utility deficiencies, sex offenses, and so on (see: The
Scarlet Survey, by Kevin Sherlock, Brennyman Books, 1997).
"We urge people to keep Linda and her family in their prayers,"
Szymkowiak said. "This tragic incident should lead women to think twice
before they go to Planned Parenthood for any type of health care."
sorry. Went a little post happy. Seek, and you shall find. There is just so much more filth. I wish pro choicers would really research the abortion industry. It's not safe, and these problems aren't rare!! You just don't hear about them on the news.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 5:33 PM
Isn't it amazing that you never see these stories on the nightly news or on the morning shows??? There's a reason for this, many of these shows get their news from the New York times (which is very liberal)....see, the're actively trying to keep this stuff quiet, they're almost as bad as the abortionists.Posted by: jasper at September 4, 2007 5:42 PM
jasper, NEVER! An abortion clinic in my state closed, and the news only did a 2 second piece on it. I guess a woman's death just wasn't news worthy. It was a CHOICE. I guess if death is a consequence of your choice, the media will just tell you to go suck an egg. I haven't even scratched the surface. These articles were endless. These were just a few of many!!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 5:47 PM
600,000 Americans die every year from medical "mistakes." No one is covering that story.
doesn't surpise me that a few are negligent abortions.
Posted by: Hal
at September 4, 2007 5:56 PM
a few....lol!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 5:59 PM
Obstetricians are FAR AND AWAY the most-sued practitioners in all of Medicine. They pay the highest malpractice premiums and are leaving the specialty in droves. There are fewer than 5 counties in Texas where you can get your high-risk or emergency delivery attended by an OB, and many Gynos won't even take OB patients anymore. (Read article below.)
I have yet to hear one of you suggest outlawing childbearing in the US in order to protect women from these homicidal quacks. Shouldn't we line them up against a wall and shoot them? (We'll let Zeke do it. It would make her so happy...)
Actually, Gynos who perform abortions have a much lower rate of malpractice suits than OBs.
Fed-up obstetricians look for a way out
By Rita Rubin, USA TODAY
Twice last month, Las Vegas obstetrician/gynecologist Shelby Wilbourn saw patients who'd made an appointment under a false pretense.
They said they were having irregular menstrual periods. But when they met Wilbourn face-to-face, they fessed up. The reason they hadn't had a period in a couple of months was because they were pregnant, not because their cycle was out of whack.
"I had to close the chart and say, 'Ma'am, I can't help you, because I'm not doing OB anymore,' " Wilbourn says. "They just started sobbing in the office."
Such are the lengths that pregnant Las Vegas women are going to, say Wilbourn and his colleagues. Fed up with soaring malpractice-insurance premiums, a growing number of OB-GYNs in that city have stopped caring for pregnant women or are leaving town. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has named Nevada one of nine "hot states" where rising liability-insurance premiums threaten the availability of doctors to deliver babies. Seven states might soon join them, ACOG warns.
But how is this affecting patients? Even though they might not have trouble finding a new doctor, pregnant women who find they're no longer welcome in their OB-GYN's practice say they dread having to start a new medical relationship.
Their doctors and their doctors' insurers say tort reform, including such measures as caps on pain and suffering damages, is the only way to solve a medical liability insurance crisis. But trial lawyers and at least one consumer group question whether an OB shortage really is imminent and argue that tort reform won't get to the root cause of rising malpractice-insurance premiums. They call for better policing of the medical profession and the insurance industry.
One thing everyone agrees upon is that obstetrics/gynecology is always one of the hardest-hit specialties during times of rising premiums. According to ACOG, OB-GYNs on average can expect to be sued two or three times over their career.
"There are neurologically impaired babies born that have nothing to do with what the physician did in the prenatal state or the delivery," says Carol Golin, editor of a newsletter that has been tracking the malpractice issue for years. Faced with enormous costs in caring for such a child, parents "have no option but to go and sue, even if they like their physician," she says.
In part because of the lengthy statute of limitations in such cases, OB-GYNs had more claims against them and paid out more money to plaintiffs than any other specialists between 1985 and 2000, says the Physician Insurers Association of America, a trade group of doctor-owned malpractice insurance companies.
C. Dale Eubank practices in Texas, one of ACOG's "hot states."
"I have been named in suits, and none of them ever went anywhere," says Eubank, who has delivered 3,000 babies since 1983.
Disgusted with what he calls the "litigious environment" in Corpus Christi, Eubank this year decided to stop delivering babies.
He says he's heard of local OB-GYNs whose malpractice insurance premiums are climbing toward the six-figure mark. "Now that I've decided to do just gynecology, my premium has dropped to $12,000," Eubank says.
Eubank cared for Shannon Gulley when she was pregnant with her first child, who will be 2 in August. Gulley says she knew he was considering getting out of obstetrics, and at her last annual checkup she asked, "But you're still going to deliver my baby, right?"
Gulley recalls that Eubank's answer was kind of vague. Now nearly three months pregnant, Gulley is skeptical about whether the doctor to whom Eubank has referred her could live up to his predecessor. "His bedside manner is wonderful," she says of Eubank. "It's very comfortable, especially when you're having a child."
In Washington, another ACOG "hot state," Jen Fleming of Friday Harbor says she keeps hoping she can persuade Robert and Barbara Pringle, a husband-wife OB-GYN team, to care for her during her next pregnancy. In January 1999, Fleming delivered a stillborn daughter. A few months later, she became pregnant with her son, who is now 2. "Now they'll have to refer me to someone else" when she gets pregnant, Fleming says. "It's a shame, because they're the ones who got us through our second pregnancy."
The Pringles, who practice in Mount Vernon, Wash., stopped taking new OB patients a few weeks ago. "Our insurance company won't announce the rates for 2003 until October," says Robert Pringle. "Our suspicion is the rates are going to rise dramatically."
Wilbourn, who has 8,000 patients in his 12-year-old Las Vegas practice, says he's never been sued, but his rates have been going up along with the worst of OB-GYNs. If Wilbourn continued to deliver 200 babies a year, his malpractice insurance premium was scheduled to jump from $56,000 to $108,000 next year.
Meanwhile, Wilbourn says, reimbursement in Nevada for providing prenatal care and delivering babies hasn't budged from $1,200 a patient in 20 years. "I'd have to borrow money to pay the malpractice," he says. Instead, he stopped taking new pregnant patients May 1.
Leaving Las Vegas
But Wilbourn likes delivering babies, and he likes Las Vegas less and less. So he logged on to a headhunter's Web site to check out options elsewhere. Last month, Wilbourn announced to tearful patients and office staff that he had accepted an offer in Belfast, a small town on the coast of Maine.
Right up front, he had asked the hospital administrator trying to woo him to Maine about his first-year malpractice insurance premiums. "Ninety-eight," the man replied. Coming from Las Vegas, Wilbourn figured $98,000. The man clarified that he meant $9,800. "Obviously, that piqued my interest," Wilbourn says.
Still, he says, the decision to close his practice July 31 was not easy. "I've got a lot of pregnant women I'm not going to be here for," he says. "I'm going to be turning them loose halfway through a pregnancy, and I can't find them a doctor."
One of them is Deanna Rood, who is due in October. Wilbourn cared for Rood when she was pregnant with her firstborn, a son who will turn 2 in August. "I'm in a scary position right now," Rood says. "I'm six months pregnant, and I don't have a doctor."
John Nowins, president of the Clark County (Las Vegas) OB-GYN Society, says that 80% of his members are phasing out obstetrics because of the jump in malpractice insurance premiums. And, he says, no one wants to move to Las Vegas to replace them. (According to the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners, though, 23 OB-GYNs have opened practices in Clark County since Jan. 1, 2000, it's not known how many of them actually deliver babies.)
Nowins, a Chicago native, says he's considering moving to Indiana. "At least they have good tort reform," he says.
State action urged
Reno attorney Bill Bradley, past president of the Nevada Trial Lawyers Association, blames the "very vile nature of the insurance industry," not a lack of tort reform, for the rise in malpractice premiums in his state. Instead of settling a claim, insurers often prefer to go to court, where even bigger judgments are levied against their clients, he says. The insurers turn around and use these judgments to support higher rates, he says.
Bill Montei, CEO of PIC Wisconsin, a physician-owned liability insurance underwriter in Madison that entered the Nevada market a few years ago, says the industry looked so profitable in the mid-1990s that it attracted inexperienced companies. To compete, Montei says, insurers offered Nevada doctors unrealistically low rates. "What you've seen in the last 18 months is insurance companies trying to recover from that," he says.
Joanne Doroshow, executive director of the Center for Justice & Democracy in New York, a non-profit group that opposes tort reform, says states need to aggressively question insurers' rates.
"If you're just going to look at tort laws, we're going to be in the exact situation we were 15 years ago during the last crisis," says Doroshow, who says her group has no ties to trial lawyers.
She questions ACOG's tort reform campaign. "Women are being exploited here, basically threatened with inaccessible health care unless they give up their rights to sue doctors who commit malpractice on them," Doroshow says.
Yet, she says, she empathizes with the many doctors like Wilbourn who've never been sued or had a successful claim against them but are facing six-figure malpractice premiums. Because insurers charge all members of a specialty the same rates, Doroshow says, "the good doctors are paying for the bad doctors."
That's odd, because I do often hear stories on the news about doctors in other professions who have made mistakes, and pending lawsuits. I've also heard some doozies on hospitals. You never hear about abortionists.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 6:05 PM
"600,000 Americans die every year from medical "mistakes." No one is covering that story."
Sure they do...all of time...none include botched abortions though.Posted by: jasper at September 4, 2007 6:53 PM
See, what FoxNews needs to do is show one of these late-term abortions on primetime TV....like the "Harder Truth" video. That will get people to wake up.Posted by: jasper at September 4, 2007 6:56 PM
Its hardly surprising that abortionists have lower lawsuit rates. They have the woman in a very compromised position. These are not women anxious to go public with the news of their pregnancies, which is why they are seeing the abortionist in the first place, and that gives the abortionist a huge advantage.
If I go into my doctor's or dentist's office and see unclean instruments and a dirty floor, I'll walk out and immediately report them. If either says or does anything inappropriate, their superiors or the licensing boards will hear from me or my attorney.
A woman entering the abortion clinic may not have that option. She may only desire to get this done as quickly as possible and get out. The risk of disclosure that she's pregnant far outweighs all else, especially if she is a teenage girl, and this gives the abortionist an advantage few other practitioners have.
About OBs. Juries tend to see themselves as avenging angels, socking it to the powerful and wealthy insurance companies, not realizing they get their money ultimately from the consumer, and the consumer, in this case the pregnant woman, ultimately pays a heavy price, as your article pointed out.
Also, we tend to think all babies should be perfect and all pregnancies go smoothly. Any deviation entitles us to compensation, as the OB, who we think has prophetic powers, should have foreseen and prevented any and all problems.
This problem is about greed and people with a sense of entitlement. I have no problem with legitimate lawsuits. I have a problem with people suing over "acts of God" as one may refer to them and when they win it disgusts me even more. Lawyers will play on the emotions and ignorance of juries. Yes the cerebral palsy child is heartrending, but CP is as old as the human race and we aren't certain what even causes it. That doesn't stop people from winning millions in court by blaming the OB.
Lisa Bardsley, Abortion Death
Lisa Bardlsey, age 26, died in 1995 after an abortion by Arizona abortionist John Biskind. Biskind was censured by the state medical board for the death.
Biskind went on to get into further trouble for delivering a live, nearly term infant during an abortion performed on a teenager, and for the abortion death of Lou Ann Herron. Herron's death got far more press than Bardsley, whose death for some reason did not capture public attention or generate outrage the way Herron's death did.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 6:59 PM
OK, this was kind of scary.
Check out the death rates due to liposuction. It's staggering. I'd spend tomorrow picketing my local fat-sucker, but I really hate the tops of my thighs and I want her to like me...
WASHINGTON - Some people are dying to get rid of that extra fat. Literally. A survey of plastic surgeons in the United States suggests that compared to other kinds of operations, more people die during liposuction.
The procedure is called lipoplasty. It involves sucking fat from specific spots on the body. The operation is often performed quickly and in doctors' offices instead of in hospitals.
According to the American Society of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeons (ASPRS), lipoplasty has become the most common cosmetic plastic surgical procedure in the U.S.
In their report, Dr. Frederick Grazer of Penn State University and Dr. Rudolph de Jong of the Thomas Jefferson Medical College suggest that outpatient elective lipoplasty may not be safe.
The report is published in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery.
Grazer and De Jong polled 1,200 members of the American Society of Aesthetic and Plastic Surgeons (ASAPS), asking them if they knew of any patient who died after liposuction. In 1996, ASPRS members performed 109,353 liposuctions.
The 917 respondents reported 95 deaths in more than 496,000 operations. That works out to one death in 5,224, or 19 per 100,000. The most common cause of death was a pulmonary thromboembolism, a blood clot.
The generally accepted death rate for any kind of elective surgery, the type not needed to save someone's life, is one in 100,000.
The researchers say more people are killed in the U.S. during lipoplasty than in car accidents. The fatality rate for car accidents is 16.1 per 100,000.
The surgeons and the journal admit their survey was not scientific but they say the results are still disturbing.
Dr. Rod Rohrich, professor and chair of plastic surgery at Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, doesn't agree with some of the data but points out that lipoplasty is a major operation and shouldn't be trivialized.
Rohrich says the report shows that people were not treating lipoplasty as a serious operation. Three-quarters of the patients who died were operated on in a doctor's office instead of in an accredited hospital. They died after they returned home.
According to Rohrich, the ASAPS and the ASPRS, the two bodies that regulate and train plastic surgeons, will conduct their own study. The organizations will monitor 2,000 liposuction patients over two years.
Mary, we had a local gyn who was charged and convicted for attempted molestation on his patients. This man did not perform abortions. I think he attempted sexual assalt on 2-3 women who promptly contacted police. Apparently, he tried to kiss and grope them. He was found guilty, and he received a long sentence. I don't think he'll live to see his release date. The abortionist gets away 80 counts of sexual assalt!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 7:09 PM
I don't dispute the fact that things can go wrong, but I always hear about plastic surgery screw ups and deaths. No big secret. The abortionist's tracks are always covered.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 7:12 PM
Mary: Also, we tend to think all babies should be perfect and all pregnancies go smoothly. Any deviation entitles us to compensation, as the OB, who we think has prophetic powers, should have foreseen and prevented any and all problems.
I agree with you.
I just get militant when people use the 'ol "risk to women" argument against abortion. The truth is the risk is minimal - especially when compared to the risks of full-term pregnancy and childbirth.
(My eyes rolled back in my head a few months ago when some fool left laminaria and gauze in her cervix for weeks, refused a pelvic exam when it turned septic, and then died. People on this very board blamed her abortion provider for her death.)
Laura, 7:06p, said: "OK, this was kind of scary.
Check out the death rates due to liposuction. It's staggering. I'd spend tomorrow picketing my local fat-sucker, but I really hate the tops of my thighs and I want her to like me..."
Laura, you may be as mean as they come, but you sure can be funny... lolPosted by: Jill Stanek at September 4, 2007 7:19 PM
Do you also agree that abortionists have their patients in a compromised position and this gives them an advantage?
No one has ever claimed pregnancies are always risk free. Neither is abortion, but abortionists have a huge advantage when it comes to covering up their mistakes, substandard care, and abuse of women.
About the "fool" you are talking about. What about the fool in the clinic that inserted laminaria into this woman's cervix in the presence of a vaginal infection, thus introducing the pathogen into her pregnant, and very vulnerable to deadly infection, uterus? Don't you think a medical professional should have more sense than this?Posted by: Mary at September 4, 2007 7:34 PM
Mary, I had forgotten about that. The abortionist noted a creamy, white, discharge from Edrica Goode's vagina. She proceeded with the laminaria insertion anyway.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 7:40 PM
As far as I'm concerned, that GYN should be hung out to dry. I hope he stays in prison long past his retirement. It makes the point though that women were not afraid to report him, unlike the abortion patient who may be fearful of exposure.
Many of these deaths from liposuction have been by practitioners who were not properly trained. These doctors go on weekend seminars for liposuction, laser treatments, and other cosmetic procedures, and then deceive patients as to their qualifications. I've seen some real horror stories.
There has been exposure of these hacks, as well as warnings to patients as to how more carefully check credentials. Something we should do with every doctor we see. This has certainly not been the case where abortionists are concerned. I'm not certain Jill, but have stricter laws been passed against these doctors who pass themselves off as plastic surgeons?
Riverside, CA (LifeNews.com) -- California health officials have reprimanded a Riverside Planned Parenthood abortion business saying it drug its feet in reporting how a woman there died in February after a legal abortion. The state said Planned Parenthood should have reported the woman's death within 24 hours.
The state Department of Health Services is probing the death of Edrica Goode a 21 year-old who died in February after toxic shock syndrome caused by the abortion she had.
Her mother, Aletheia Meloncon, has filed a lawsuit against Planned Parenthood saying it was responsible for not preventing her death.
According to a Los Angeles Times report, the health department issued a "deficiency" finding June 29 saying that "based on medical record reviews and staff interviews, the facility failed to report an unusual death occurrence involving a patient's death within 24 hours to the department."
As a result, the Planned Parenthood in Riverside must submit a plan to correct its reporting of abortion deaths to the state within the next 10 days.
Planned Parenthood spokesman Vince Hall told the Times that the abortion business plans to respond on time and claimed, "The health and safety of our patients is our highest priority."
The state health department found no problems with regard to the care and treatment Planned Parenthood provided Goode but her mother contends that Planned Parenthood officials gave 21 year-old Edrica Goode poor medical care prior to the abortion that claimed her life.
Goode went to the Planned Parenthood abortion center on January 31 pregnant and with a vaginal infection.
Despite the infection, the lawsuit says staff at the abortion center inserted cervical dilators to prepare her for a second-trimester abortion.
The lawsuit says the dilators, which consist mostly of seaweed, caused the spread of the infection throughout her body, leading to her death.
The abortion eventually claimed Goode's life on February 14 after she was treated at a local hospital, which is also named in the lawsuit.
Meloncon filed the lawsuit in Riverside County Superior Court last month.
"My daughter made a choice, but she didn't choose to die," Meloncon said. "A lost dog gets more attention than my daughter did. This has really torn at my family."
Jack Schuler, Meloncon's attorney, agreed and said, "If it wasn't for the negligent medical care that Edrica Goode received, she would be alive today."
After the abortion, Goode never removed the dilators and Planned Parenthood claims to have sent two letters to her, but Meloncon told the Times they never came. She said the abortion facility should have done more to contact her daughter.
Goode wound up going to Riverside County Regional Medical Center where she eventually had a miscarriage and died the next day.
Meloncon was unaware of the abortion and described her daughter as having become "mentally unstable" after it was done. She said that had she known about the abortion before the laminaria problems developed she would have gotten medical attention for Goode sooner.
Hall, of Planned Parenthood, refused to comment on the lawsuit to the Times and claimed that the "health and safety of our patients is our highest priority."
However, Goode is the third woman to die at Planned Parenthood abortion centers in the last four years.
The first was Holly Patterson, an 18 year-old from Livermore who died after she received a lethal bacterial infection after using the abortion drug she obtained at Planned Parenthood Golden Gate. Diana Lopez, a 25-year-old Huntington Park woman, bled to death after an abortion she had punctured her cervix.
Posted by: Heather
at September 4, 2007 7:48 PM
Mary, I agree with your above post. Any doctor who takes advantage of patients in any way SHOULD rot in prison! I can't understand the tolerance and dedication that some women are willing to show the abortionist. It's right there in black and white. They are molesting women, they are killing women, yet you still try to see what good they are supposedly doing for us. I honestly don't understand it.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 7:55 PM
Mary, I did not mean "you" in my above post. That should say "they"........I think you knew what I meant.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 8:00 PM
That Planned Parenthood in Riverside has some sour security guards. They definately were on a power trip when we went there.Posted by: Phil at September 4, 2007 8:11 PM
From 20 years ago, a contemporary of mine (she's 7 months older). Check her out in profile - there is a pretty good resemblence to Jill's daughter Daena.
This song is rather pop-musicish, and I was always first and foremost a rocker, but I like this one. Nice melody.
And what can I say? Videos have come a long way in the last two decades.
DougPosted by: Doug at September 4, 2007 8:18 PM
Doug, I agree. I think Belinda Carlisle is beautiful, and so is Daena!Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 8:22 PM
Mary: About the "fool" you are talking about. What about the fool in the clinic that inserted laminaria into this woman's cervix in the presence of a vaginal infection, thus introducing the pathogen into her pregnant, and very vulnerable to deadly infection, uterus? Don't you think a medical professional should have more sense than this?
That woman died of a *Strep infection gone wild. We're all familiar with Strep infections. They don't sit around dormant for three weeks and then suddenly IGNITE, especially in a moist, 98.6 degree environment rich in protein. Getting hit by one of those infections is like getting hit by a train. (Necrotizing Fasciitis - the "flesh-eating bacteria" - is a lovely example of Strep.)
I think that woman might MIGHT have had a yeast infection, but the infection that killed her was acquired long after those laminaria were placed.
People who don't obey follow-ups and aftercare instructions drive me nuts. (Heck, she was deemed lucid enough by several healthcare professionals to refuse a pelvic exam.)
*I once had the pad under my thumb bitten by a really sick feral cat. Inside of 12 hours I had a fever. At 30 hours I woke up with "red meanies" running up towards my elbow, and every node in my underarm, boob and neck involved. Three days in the hospital with IV gentamycin and bizarre sulfa drugs were needed to knock it down.
I haven't heard that since College I think....It's been a long time..
Sometimes people with infections are confused. Does anyone really know if she had a clear mind upon refusal of a pelvic exam? Just pondering.Posted by: Heather at September 4, 2007 8:44 PM
Whatever the infection was, it should have been cleared up before any cervical dilatation took place. If there was evidence of any infection a culture must be taken and NO assumptions made as to what kind of pathogen you are dealing with. The person inserting the laminaria should certainly have known this and may have set Edrica up for a deadly infection.
I have read various accounts as to what happened and have some concerns about the medical management of her care as well. We will probably have to wait until the facts from the lawsuit come out to determine once and for all exactly what happened.
Cat bites are notoriously dangerous and I am not at all surprised by your experience, though I'm glad to hear you had an uneventful recovery. Our doctors will immediately put any patient bitten by a cat on antibiotics, and I've seen patients come to surgery because of severe infections. Be very careful of those stray cats!
Our doctors will immediately put any patient bitten by a cat on antibiotics, and I've seen patients come to surgery because of severe infections. Be very careful of those stray cats!
I was an animal control officer at the time. After that I always kept a secret stash of Augmentin. I believe strongly in the preemptive strike when fighting bite wounds.Posted by: Laura at September 4, 2007 9:20 PM
My cat bit me in the face. She was extremely irate at me for permitting another cat in our home, and did not appreciate me handling her(my cat). I immediately went on augmentin, at the advise of one of our doctors. The stuff made me miserable but it beat the possible alternative. I was certain my cat was getting tremendous satisfaction from my misery and figured it served me right for bringing that...that...animal into the house!Posted by: Mary at September 4, 2007 9:32 PM
Heather: It's still rare. You're more likely to get molested as a choirboy in a catholic church than by an abortion doc.
Or by someone running a right-to-life sanctuary for unwed pregnant teens like "Our Father's House" in Pensacola.Posted by: SoMG at September 4, 2007 10:06 PM
Here's a link to a video of the Youth for Truth Rally held on Saturday.Posted by: Net at September 5, 2007 1:23 AM
Heather: It's still rare. You're more likely to get molested as a choirboy in a catholic church than by an abortion doc.
Or by someone running a right-to-life sanctuary for unwed pregnant teens like "Our Father's House" in Pensacola.
I always find it amazing that people don't attack the Buddhist, Hindu or Muslim faiths...but they LOVE to belittle the Catholic Faith.
Hmmmm...could it be because to be effective you have to attack the "truth"...
First Doug, then Zeke and now SoMG...
"The treacherous are ever distrustful."
J. R. R. Tolkien
"With hope or without hope we will follow the trail of our enemies. And woe to them, if we prove the swifter!"
J. R. R. Tolkien
“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
Posted by: mk
at September 5, 2007 6:37 AM
Somg, a walking contradiction. If 30 women died daily from abortion, you would still be here telling us how great it was. If 40 women were sexually abused in abortion clinics every day, you would still say that it's better to keep it legal. I really don't even know what planet you're on at times. It is not likely that I'd be molested by a priest or a choir boy. Why would you say that?Posted by: Heather at September 5, 2007 6:38 AM
Somg, would it be more likely for a choirboy to kill me? Would a choirboy perforate my uterus? Would he throw me into seizures? I don't think so.Posted by: Heather at September 5, 2007 6:49 AM
MK, right! SOMG, How do you know what religion I am, if any?Posted by: Heather at September 5, 2007 6:50 AM
Doug, 9/4, 8:18p: I used to love the Go-Gos. All girl band, yeah. I can see what you're saying about Belinda and Daena. Nice compliment. Thanks.Posted by: Jill Stanek at September 5, 2007 1:00 PM
Heather, no, a choirboy is not more likely to kill you than an abortion, but childbirth IS. More than ten times more likely!Posted by: SoMG at September 5, 2007 1:26 PM
"Heather, no, a choirboy is not more likely to kill you than an abortion, but childbirth IS. More than ten times more likely!"
Didn't we already go over this deception? or did you think I wasnt' here?
From YOUR JAMA study -
0.6 maternal deaths from abortion out of 100,000
9.1 maternal deaths from childbirth out of 100,000.
Put it into percentages based on a comparison of 100, which is what a percentage is.
.0006% maternal deaths from abortion
.0091% maternal deaths from childbirth.
There is your 10 times more likely. It is in the "enth" degree.
This means that a woman is .0085% more likely to die in childbirth than in abortion.
hmmm.... doesn't sound so scary now huh?
Let's see. That is if you can trust the statistic's given to do the study. The data is collected using unscientific means (which the CDC admits). Not to mention they used one more year in the study for childbirths than they did for abortion.
According to the CDC's study in 2003 - www.cdc.gov/mmmr/PDF/ss/ss5511.pdf
There were 15 known deaths from legal abortion in 2001-2002. In this time period there were 848,163 abortions. If you do the math, that is 1.76 deaths out of 100,000.
Just pointing out that the 0.6 out of 100,000 is questionable considering the difference in 2003.
SOMG, childbirth is more likely to kill me? I'll take my chances.Posted by: Heather at September 5, 2007 5:54 PM
valerie, the more of his posts I read, the more I realize he is just "blowing smoke." SOMG has no facts to back up anything! Maybe some births are dangerous, but I am not going to buy that all abortions are safe either. I have looked up the proof! valerie, YOU have presented the proof! There is no truth to what this evil being has to say. Somg, that's all I have to say to you.Posted by: Heather at September 5, 2007 7:38 PM
SOMG, childbirth is more likely to kill me? I'll take my chances.
There you go, Heather -- nothing wrong with that. The overall risk of that is still very low.
That's the way to look at it - the risk is low enough with either thing that it really comes down to what the person wants to do.
DougPosted by: Doug at September 6, 2007 11:13 PM