I must admit. I smirked at the "abstinence" poster, too. I don't think I need to dodge lightening, either. If I do, MK will tell me.

If anyone wants to get in touch with a group actually doing *good* things on the LSU campus. They can get ahold of Louisiana Students for Life.

http://www.lastudentsforlife.org/

Sick. How dare they use our Blessed Mother to further their agenda of death. Keep mocking us...

If anyone wants to get in touch with a group actually doing *good* things on the LSU campus, they can get ahold of Louisiana Students for Life.

http://www.lastudentsforlife.org/

I don't think they meant for it to be blasphemous, Jill. Though I have to say, it is very typical of you to make such a baseless assumption.

You would call PP perverted unless you understood the organization makes all its money off the unmerry-go-round of selling illicit sex and fixing the consequences of illicit sex.
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Define "illicit sex."

Define "illicit sex."

Okay- sex between two people who are not committed (life-long) to eachother and who will provide a stable home for any children that they might create by having sex.

I don't think they meant for it to be blasphemous, Jill.

Leah, these are pro-aborts. Did you think they meant it reverently???

Oh, that Chris Rock. Well, he wasn't lying, was he? LOL!

I do find the poster sickening. They are such vile people.

When Chris Rock called abortion "a beautiful thing," did anyone else notice that he received very little applause?

Define "illicit sex."

Okay- sex between two people who are not committed (life-long) to eachother and who will provide a stable home for any children that they might create by having sex.

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 5, 2007 9:34 AM
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Yeah, 'cause that always works...
By the way, what's more destructive to society - the unmarried non-procreative sex I have with my boyfriend, or the married procreative sex between two cretins?:

People 2004:
"Reports last week claimed the singer was annoyed at Ferderline for spending his weekends partying in Las Vegas with his friends but in a recent interview Spears says this is not the case.

She says since their marriage in September last year they have been building their relationship: "We're going to be together for ever. We know that, and that's the only thing that matters," she said."

Actually, the poster admits the Virgin Birth. And it's actually correct.

"Okay- sex between two people who are not committed (life-long) to eachother and who will provide a stable home for any children that they might create by having sex."

People can be committed to each other without getting married. (Oprah and her man) Does this mean they should not have sex? Do they need some piece of paper to declare that they can now have sex? I've known plenty of married couples who shouldn't have babies and I know plenty of couples who aren't married that if they became pregnant would be better parents. I realize you did not mention marriage at all, but thats one side of the anti-choice argument. Be married before you have sex.

Jill, to go to that facebook thing, you need to be a member of facebook. I wasn't sure if you were aware.

JM, hi there!! Still in Arizona?

The poster of the Blessed Virgin Mary IS blasphemous, but so is your comment that you found it "funny."

Question for Pro-lifers:

You do realize this is a pro-life organization correct?

Laura,

I hate divorce. Divorce shows that the people involved were not "committed to eachother (life long)" Showing me people that essentially lied to eachother and witnesses on their wedding day doesn't make having children in non-committed, unstable situations (or worse: killing them) any better than we all know it to be.

Spears had 2 kids. Look at those precious, innocent kids, and tell me if you'll dismember them for because their parents choose to act like total white trash? That's what you're saying, is it not?

Hi Heather... Still in Arizona.... good question. Yes I am for right now. But going back to MN next sunday. Long story short. My students were a lot like dangerous minds/freedom writer and I had a lack of support from administration. Dealt with a lot of anxiety and depression. Decided my health was more important.

People can be committed to each other without getting married.

If two people are really committed, why do they fear legally binding themselves to eachother. Money? How committed is that?

Does this mean they should not have sex?

You got it! If a child sees that his/her parents aren't committed to eachother enough to make it official, how committed to the child do you think that child will feel?

Children are terrified of divorce for a reason. Being in a non-official family is just a constant state of trauma for a child.

JM, You gave it a shot. Your health should come first. I'm sorry to hear that you've been depressed. Heck, go on home:]

I've known plenty of married couples who shouldn't have babies and I know plenty of couples who aren't married that if they became pregnant would be better parents.

The odds of that non-married couple killing their child rather than parenting the child is 88%. Couples that show no regard for the insitution of family aren't the best people to be raising one.

"If two people are really committed, why do they fear legally binding themselves to eachother. Money? How committed is that?"

I agree, but some people are stubborn and don't understand why they need a piece of paper to say they love each other.

"You got it! If a child sees that his/her parents aren't committed to eachother enough to make it official, how committed to the child do you think that child will feel?"

Again, There are some people who are not married to one another that are more committed to one another than some married couples. What about a married couple whose father cheats on his wife. They made it official. Are you telling me that you believe a man who cheats on his wife is a more stable environment for a child than a couple who are not married but 110% committed to one another?

PP certainly does a great job making themselves look like idiots.

All that money they waste on this "advertisement" that they should be using on *gasp* discounted/free prenatal care for women who actually decide to continue their pregnancies!

Morons. They spend like money like stupid, rich high school girls.

"The odds of that non-married couple killing their child rather than parenting the child is 88%. Couples that show no regard for the institution of family aren't the best people to be raising one."

I understand what you are saying. But the definition of family differs from person to person. You see it has a father and mother and children. Others may see it as just a father or just a mother. We can make a list that goes on and on.

Oh and Jacqueline, I'm not sure if you were on the board before I took a little break from it. So welcome! You're fun to debate with and bring up a lot of great points and ideas!

A family is not subjective.

Heather- It was a very tough decision for me. Its funny what we are talking about because of what i am going to say next. I think I'm just a family girl. I am extremely close to my parents and while I was living out here with my brother. I still missed my parents like crazy.

Why isn't a family subjective? Which parents would you rather have:

Parents A: Married but uncommitted to one another. Husband cheats on his wife but is still around to help take care of the kids.

Parents B: Unmarried but committed to one another 110% Parents live with one another and go to every basketball game and baseball game. Every voice and dance recital.

Jacqueline, a family is subjective.

I have aunts and uncles I don't consider "family" even though we're related. Why? Because they don't act like family. They're spiteful, cruel, selfish people.

I don't acknowledge them, and they don't acknowledge me (which I'm fine with...oy).

JM, you need not explain, because I'm the same way. Hey, it just wasn't meant to be. There will be something good in store for you in MN.

@JM: You're coming back to MN? Is this going to be permanent? I'm sorry to hear that your experience in Arizona was so miserable though. :(

I think Jacqueline is referring more the the "nuclear" family. Mother and father etc.

Rae, yes I'll be leaving for a wonderful 2.5 day drive for MN on Sunday. You live in MN right?

I guess my experience in AZ wasn't horrible, just the job, which sadly thats were most of my time was spent.

@JM: Yup, Minneapolis. ^_^

2.5 day drive? Hope you have lots of snacks and loud music. :)

I will either be going to Winona or Mankato I think. Although I would love to live in Minneapolis someday. Do you know if rent expensive up there?

@JM: It gets a bit pricy, but I live in a crummy studio apartment that has one washer/dryer for the entire building (which has 18 tenants) and I pay a little over 400 a month for (but it is kind of a crap-hole).

I wonder what PP thought about Chris Rock's show ( aside from the obvious "laughter" from the audience). Funny?

"Family" is connected by biology, adoption and marriage. Any attempts to redefine this simply doesn't work. My grabbing someone off the street and saying, "This is my family" doesn't work, either.

And to answer your question, I'd choose neither A nor B. First off, marriage doesn't commitment make, yet having no marriage does demonstrate a lack of commitment. So that couple committed 110% aren't really 110% committed because a piece of paper scares them so. Secondly, the choice is not between being a bastard with a soccer mom and having married parents and a horrible homelife.

Hi Rae,
I too am a fellow Minnesotan. How do you like the change of weather today? BRRRRRRRRRR

I have always wanted to say thanks to you for creating good discussion. You have never hid under the guise that just because you are PC you need to defend all of what PP and/or the pro-abortion movement stands for.
So thanks.

You would call PP perverted unless you understood the organization makes all its money off the unmerry-go-round of selling illicit sex and fixing the consequences of illicit sex.

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Another great example of antichoice dishonesty and stupidity. When antichoicers make comments like this they are begging to not be taken seriously.

Okay- sex between two people who are not committed (life-long) to eachother and who will provide a stable home for any children that they might create by having sex.
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So youre trying to pretend that married women couldnt go to Planned Parenthood?

Does this mean they should not have sex?

You got it!
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back to the moronic insistance that sex is only for reproduction ....

When Chris Rock said that while he didnt condone OJ Simpson killing his wife, he 'understood' I ceased to find ANYTHING that man says to be funny.

@Sandy: I LOVE the cold! I saw snow flurries quite just outside Coffman today...and I got really giddy. :)

Where 'bouts in Minnesota? Greater? Metro?

I don't really consider myself PC anymore, and when I was, I never really cared for PP. Too hysterical and whiny.

back to the moronic insistance that sex is only for reproduction ....

back to the moronic insistance that sex is only for fun and reproduction is some sort of fluke ....

*grins* Spermicide. My best friend freaked out once because she thought she had somehow gotten herpes or the like. Turns out she's allergic to spermicide.

Anywho, I started on the ring a few months ago. One of the most wonderfully convenient things ever. It's good that people are trying to get all the options out there- it's not just the pill anymore.

Are you in a relationship, Erin?

Hi Rae,
We live in the western suburbs. I love our town. 20 minutes from DT Mineapolis, but we can walk everywhere around the lakeshore downtown area. I saw flurries too today. I really do enjoy winter. We have had such mild winters the last coulple years though it hasn't seemed like Minnesota. I say bring on the snow, if it is going to be cold we might as well be able to enjoy the outdoor beauty and recreation is brings.

Gotta run!! Thanks for the chat.

No, Jacque. Not having sex right now either, actually. I'd rather be safe anyway.

back to the moronic insistance that sex is only for reproduction ....

back to the moronic insistance that sex is only for fun and reproduction is some sort of fluke ....

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 5, 2007 1:03 PM
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What kind of idiot would make that assumption based on the point I made?

Just curious- cause if you're not having sex, why bother with the side effects and risks?

What kind of idiot would make that assumption based on the point I made?

What kind of idiot would make that assumption based on the point I made?

What kind of idiot would make that assumption based on the point I made?

What kind of idiot would make that assumption based on the point I made?

Posted by: Jacqueline at November 5, 2007 1:45 PM
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And an antichoicer proves again the delusion that stupidity is an asset ..... now are you going to look like an idiot yet again by playing PeeWee Herman with my post, since you lack the capacity to actually say anything that DOESNT make you look idiotic?

Planned Parenthood has only one thing on its mind: SEX.
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What kind of idiot wants to pretend that planning parenthood WOULDNT be focused on sex? But the fact of the matter is for ever 3 women who go to PP for an abortion, 97 women go to PP for other reasons. And by furnishing women with sex education and contraceptives PP has done more to LIMIT the number of abortions in the US than all the 'crisis pregnancy centers' and 'sidewalk counselors' in existance.

And an antichoicer proves again the delusion that stupidity is an asset

If I am stupid and you are smart, let's see you demonstrate some capability of abstract thought. You can begin by actually addressing the arguments rather than name calling. "Idiot, Stupid, Moron" are typically the depth and breadth of your comments. Do you know any polysyllabic words your might use? Consult a thesaurus (contrary to what you are likely thinking, it's a reference book, not a dinosaur).

Jacque- I started on BC pretty young as an acne treatment. I've never had any problems at all with side effects, and they make my cramps not as bad. Plus, for BC to be at it's best effectiveness rate, you need to have completed about a full cycle on the hormones.

Also, I consider BC to work like a laxative to me- keeps me regular. When I'm not on hormones, my cycle goes crazy.

Someone should have attended this "Dress up as a Contraceptive Party" naked and said that they were Natural Family Planning.

I've never had any problems at all with side effects.

Man, I did! I was on the pill at 14 for endometriosis. I had mood swings something fierce.

Going naked as NFP would be funny! I heard a man go to a party as "Premature Ejaculation." He wore only his pants to the party.

Think about it. :)

Jacque- if I had any problems with it, I probably wouldn't be on it. I don't, fortunately, so I really have no issue being on it for as long as I need or see fit.

I see, Erin.

It's just that I don't even like Tylenol. I can't imagine being on something constantly.

And an antichoicer proves again the delusion that stupidity is an asset

If I am stupid and you are smart, let's see you demonstrate some capability of abstract thought. You can begin by actually addressing the arguments rather than name calling. "Idiot, Stupid, Moron" are typically the depth and breadth of your comments. Do you know any polysyllabic words your might use? Consult a thesaurus (contrary to what you are likely thinking, it's a reference book, not a dinosaur).

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Its not MY fault you cant post without looking like a simple minded bad tempered chienne.

Its not MY fault you cant post without looking like a simple minded bad tempered chienne.

Look, another insult; still no abstract thought.

TRY AGAIN.

Also, I consider BC to work like a laxative to me- keeps me regular. When I'm not on hormones, my cycle goes crazy.

Posted by: Erin at November 5, 2007 2:01 PM

Hi Erin -

I'm not sure how old you are but please be careful on the pill. (I'm assuming that's what you are taking.) A girl down the street from me has a severe stroke and the doctors said that the Pill was the biggest contributing factor. She's okay but she's been in rehab for about a year now. It's just terrible to see her. She was the star volleyball player at my high school and a great person. So sad. She was 34 when it happened and had been on the Pill since HS because her periods were so irregular.

Sorry Erin, just saw your post about the ring.

I must admit. I smirked at the "abstinence" poster, too. I don't think I need to dodge lightening, either. If I do, MK will tell me.

I think if you look closely Jacquie, you'll see that Mary is smirking too.

It's the first true thing that the other side has ever said as far as I can tell.

Funny thing about those kids' BC Halloween costumes...Nobody thought of dressing up as "abstinence"...

Oh, that's right..then they wouldn't have any 'accessory/ device' to wear...silly me ;)

*I guess it's too much for them to carry around "responsibility"...it doesn't fit in their purses nor their hearts...

Everybody,

I'm enjoying letting Texas Red rant...she just keeps making herself look better and better.

But technically, she is breaking the rules bigtime.

I can cut her off if you want, or I can let her go on. I haven't been so entertained since the three stooges. And there's only one of her...

I also want to clarify why I didn't find that poster too awful...I figure that if you have to look into her sweet face to read the message, then with out intending to, they are actually convicting souls...Anytime an image of Our Lady is displayed, it gives people pause. It would be different if they had actually defiled her image.

I was shocked that they knew about and validated the virgin birth.

From the post:

Planned Parenthood has only one thing on its mind: SEX.

Heheheheeeehehehehehe. I think that's the most unintentionally funny thing I've seen all day.

Pssst, Jill, I hate to break it to you, but that's neither new, nor is it a secret. You might have gotten your first clue from the name of the organization: "planned parenthood"...it sort of suggests their focus.

"Anywho, I started on the ring a few months ago. One of the most wonderfully convenient things ever. It's good that people are trying to get all the options out there- it's not just the pill anymore."

DITTO DITTO DITTO!!!! I love the ring!

"I was shocked that they knew about and validated the virgin birth"

Why is that so shocking? conservatives don't have a monopoly on religion.

As for the family, Im trying to restrain myself and be nice :D

But, family is COMPLETELY subjective. My parents got a divorce, and I think it was the BEST decision they ever made. I didn't live in a home full of stress and yelling, etc. My mom quit drinking, and has been sober over 10years now. My dad got remarried though that one failed (because she was a gold digger and a cold hearted *****. It took my moving out for him to see he screwed up, but it all worked out) However, during the time of his second marriage I was miserable too. It wasn't totally his fault, he should have voiced his opinions etc, but the second wife was a nutcase.

Id much rather have the two parents I have now, divorced but friendly, rather than anything else. At least at the moment. I don't feel I've missed out on anything at all. I live comfortably and have a good life, and I wouldn't change anything about it for the world. I have been through a lot before the divorce, and during my dad's second marriage, but even that I found worth it. In fact I was tempted to send the nutcase a letter thanking her, but I figured she'd sue or charge me with something (not joking, I went with my dad to help him pack so he wouldnt be falsely charged with abuse).

I was shocked that they knew about and validated the virgin birth.

Jacqueline, I love you for various reasons, many of them having to do with kilts and bocce ball (imagine... men in kilts playing bocce ball... yummm...), but...

GET... OFF... YOUR... HIGH... HORSE!!!!

Leah, how is what I said high and mighty? To validate the virgin birth is to admit that Christ is the son of God. To admit that Christ is the son of God and yet reject everything His religion says about sexual morality and the sanctity of human life is a little back-asswards.

So why shouldn't I be shocked that they recognize the virgin birth?

And, honestly, I was hoping for their sake they they were ignorant of religion. It makes them less culpable that those that know and mock God.

"Another great example of antichoice dishonesty and stupidity. When antichoicers make comments like this they are begging to not be taken seriously."
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Another typical example of prodeath/truly antichoice ad hominem attack trying to cover an absence of actual refutation of any statement made. You offer no incentive to be taken seriously except as a self-centered hatemonger who hates other people, and God for loving them enough to forbid acts which are in the long or short run destructive. Grow up.

Wait, let me get this right: these harpies are trying to raise awareness about the need for contraception? Does this mean they should not have been born? Of course not; I never met a PP control freak yet who would graciously leave this "overcrowded" planet themself; they always want to kill off someone ELSE.

In this they are no different from a gangster who kills a stranger for a pair of sneakers, or some other acquisition.

A friend of mine once noted an angry young thing at a proabort march waving a sign proclaiming, "My body is not public property"...but you'd never have known it by the way she and many of her "sisters" dressed.

Sufficient unto the day is the trouble thereof!

Anonymous HAD to be Texas Red!!@@

Actually Heather,

The anonymous right above us, is pro life. Reread her post...it makes a boatload of sense...I think she is the anti-texas-red...lol

Seeing as how these fine folks have no respect for the Son, it only follows that they would take a cheap shot at the Mother.

That's Our Momma we're defiling here! Anyone care? (sans the obvious lineup of characters)

Now if I could just get my hands of photos of their mothers...

Just thinking:

These people are advocating the use of contraception for people who DON'T want to conceive, obviously. They aren't TELLING people not to conceive, they're advocating ways for people prevent conception if they so desire. If they were actively trying to MAKE people use contraception against their will, then maybe your statements would hold water (trying to keep people from being born). But in this case, they're just helping people to know their options.

OOPs, sorry anaon. I didn't read that correctly. Thanks, MK.

Of course it was Anon. refuting Texas Red. I'd know that rant anywhere. Her fave word is "idiot."

Of course it was Anon. refuting Texas Red. I'd know that rant anywhere. Her fave word is "idiot."

Posted by: heather at November 7, 2007 3:07 AM
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Its my favorite word when dealing with antichoicers ... its also singularly appropriate and completely valid. Its not my fault antichoicers cant offer and intelligent defense for their position, or they think ignorance and stupidity are a valid support for their position.

I can cut her off if you want, or I can let her go on. I haven't been so entertained since the three stooges. And there's only one of her...

Posted by: mk at November 5, 2007 3:26 PM
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You are such a hypocrite!

Texas Red,

You just make it soooooo easy...

Its my favorite word when dealing with antichoicers ... its also singularly appropriate and completely valid. Its not my fault antichoicers cant offer and intelligent defense for their position, or they think ignorance and stupidity are a valid support for their position.

You do realize that right after you posted this ^ you posted this:

You are such a hypocrite!

Was that your version of intelligent discourse? NYUK, NYUK, NYUK...