Wow.

I don't understand how could she see the arms and legs, and still walk away "impressed" by what the "doctors" were doing? I hope you are right, and that her conscience was pricked rather than seared

Some people are in denial about abortion and what it does, Bethany.

There are still those who deny that the holocaust happened. Even if they personally WITNESSED the Jews being led into the gas chambers, they would still be in denial.

Interesting that the 2nd "doctor" asked the one girl if this what "She wanted".

Hey, safe sex for Scouts!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7678796.stm

Wow, Erin, thanks for staying on topic. ;)

What I saw in this blog is that it revealed the humanity of the child being killed...arms and head, etc. She couldn't watch; she had to look away, and it "freaked her out." This explains why so many people are FURIOUS when the Truth Trucks or posters come out with photos of aborted children on them...people can't stand to look at the truth, and don't want to be made to confront the real heart of the matter.

I wondered why she was made to feel "awkward." Why didn't the ultrasound techs want her with them? Why wasn't she invited into the counseling sessions? Why did she have to "hover?" Nothing to see here maam. Move along.

35 years of lies is bound to produce people like this, she can be impressed because she hasn't ever been taught anything about the sanctity of life.
She got a glimpse of it and just that has produced enough doubt to make her now wonder.
Hopefully, she'll allow her conscience to lead her and not the hype and utterly dispicable lies of "me" first and "blob of tissue".

That she could have anything good to say about a man who has murdered 200,000 innocent, helpless children is sickening and frightening at the same time.

Carla, inviting someone else into the counseling session would have completely defeated the entire point of having an individual counseling session.

"Why wasn't she invited into the counseling sessions?"

Counseling sessions are supposed to be private so the patient can feel more comfortable to tell what they're really feeling. Say you and your husband were having trouble having sex and you went to your doctor, would you want some random student in the room listening to your situation?

Please Jess. Don't bother answering.

My "counseling session" before my abortion went like this.
"Will that be Visa or Mastercard today?"

Oh and I can recall enough "interns" all hanging around while I was having OB visits and giving birth.

I guess my question is more like Why didn't she feel welcome there?

Some people are in denial about abortion and what it does, Bethany.
There are still those who deny that the holocaust happened. Even if they personally WITNESSED the Jews being led into the gas chambers, they would still be in denial.

It's sad but so very true.

Excellent point about the irrelevance of the bedside manner! Dr. Joseph Mengele (Auschwitz)was known for being able to turn on the charm when it suited him to do so...but his intentions were never less evil, deceitful, barbaric and murderous for it.

What a complete crock about the woman having a "big problem" that an abortion "fixes" in about 5 minutes. Pregnancy is not a disease, and abortion is not health care!!! The vast majority of aborting women are healthier, mentally, emotionally and physically, when they walk into the death mill than when they walk out, as are their babies.

Medically recognized induced abortion complications include shock, coma, intense pain, trauma, bleeding/hemorrhage, infection, cardiac embolism, cardiac arrest, cardiomyopathy, pulmonary embolism, pulmonary edema, cerebral embolism, permanent brain damage, sterility, uterine tears / perforations, retained fetal tissue, cervical damage, convulsions, endotoxic shock, fever, second degree burns, chronic abdominal pain, nausea/vomiting, gastrointestinal disturbances, Rh sensitization, damage to/loss of other vital, internal organs, pelvic inflammatory disease, endometritis, peritonitis*, septicemia, increased risk of future miscarriage; ectopic pregnancy, placenta previa, infant handicap/premature birth; also increased risk of cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, liver cancer, breast cancer. . . and much more.

Emotional sequelae can include acute grief reaction, rage, depression, suicidal tendencies, substance abuse, insomnia, nightmares, self-hatred leading to self-destructive behavior, sexual dysfunction, post-traumatic stress disorder...to name just a few.

A number of these complications can lead to death. And this is this "doctor"s notion of "solving" a "problem"?! Surely no one with a functioning brain stem thinks of these as solutions rather than real problems?!

No pregnant woman has a real problem that can't be solved by appropriate, non-lethal, authentic medical treatment and support.

And anyone who does such a procedure, even a legitimate one, as invasive as a surgical abortion in 5 minutes is a disgrace to the medical profession. Haste makes waste...and it's always the woman who pays, too often with her life.

How much money does the abortionist make if he 'counsels' the girl towards adoption?

Re: counseling sessions. My husband and I recently went back to our adoption agency for our second adoption. There was an intern at the agency. Our social worker asked if the intern could sit in on one of our three required counseling sessions, and we said "yes" because we feel it is appropriate to have someone who is training in the field fully understand what happens even in a confidential setting. In this case, as long as the patient agreed, there should have been no problem. This is not what happened. The student specifically said that the counselors wouldn't allow it.

Thank you Erin H!!! Feel like I'm talking to myself sometimes! :)

Hello Bethany!! I miss you!!

Do they offer scholarships to encourage doctors to go into that field? How does one find out? Just curious.

Thank you Erin H!!! Feel like I'm talking to myself sometimes! :)
Hello Bethany!! I miss you!!

Hi Carla! I miss you too! I'm trying to ease my way back into the conversations slowly but surely. :)

It's really refreshing to hear so many women speak to the truth of abortion. Those that think the right to an abortion somehow empowers women make me want to lose my lunch. What about equal treatment for women involves denying the rights of unborn women?

I think if most people saw the images and videos of what abortion really is, they would reconsider their position. It's alarming how many abortion right supporters think it's still just a "blob of tissue". Of course, medical science tells us it's a human life, but people will spin it any way they can so they can live with their decisions. As Kel pointed out, pictures do not lie, which is why people get so incensed at the "Truth Trucks". If abortion is such a great idea, what's so offensive about putting up pictures everywhere?

Hi Ladies!!

I am wondering how many medical students look away when they are looking at ultrasounds for diagnosing gall stones, kidney stones, ovarian cysts. It sounds like this student was moved by what she saw.

Oh and I am sorry but it's not a "counseling session." I had a good laugh over that one today.
It's a sales pitch. The counselors in an abortion clinic are there to sell abortion. Abortion is big business. One Choice. Abortion.

I found what the doctor said "Done in 5 minutes" so awful! This is just so cold and callous. Sounds like he knows how to fit in 12 abortions in an hour and make oh, I don't know, $2400 and no follow up. Just so sickening

Also, do the girls and women return to the abortion clinic if they have a problem? Hell No! They go to see some real doctor at the ER.

I'm new here....
Good post by "just thinking"...

If people would only look for the TRUTH behind the abortion lie and Obama's empty words, I wonder how many would change their minds about this horrible injustice and the man who promises to make America a better place?

Visit me at www.VoteforLife08.com

Jill,

Just a suggestion - maybe you want to add abortionno.org to the list of links on the right? It's got a 1 minute graphic, yet powerful, video. Keep up the good work! :-)

Welcome Katie!

I wonder why she had to look away.

Seeing another person's arms and legs ripped off must be hard to look at.

It must be hard being in the room when somebody else is being murdered, and all you can do is sit there. Because it's legal, legal, legal.

I wonder if she has had to stuff herself so deeply in denial now so she can champion the pro-choice crowd.

Probably.

So so sad.

"Do they offer scholarships to encourage doctors to go into that field? How does one find out? Just curious.

Posted by: Janet at October 20, 2008 1:59 PM"
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My wife was a medical doctor before she focused on raising the family....and she said that most of these abortionists were the ones having trouble "making it" in the real healthcare industry...

Either they lack the knowledge to further their practice, have a personality issue to continue proper practice or are just in it for the money (greed)....

http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~nmacklin/roenomore/chapter11.html

Norma McCorvey

A day in the Life.....when she worked at an abortion facility before her conversion to the Pro Life side.

A MUST READ for EVERYONE.

From the book by Norma, Won By Love. I think I have read it 5 times. :)

Ohhh, I wanna read it! Over Christmas Break that is. Right now, it's microbiology time, all the time. :(

yeah I saw this blog too. Pretty outstanding. What makes me wonder is what bothered her soooo much?
Maybe Human Abstract has a comment on this one, in light of her Simone de Beauvoir beliefs.

Hi Bethany! long time no chat!! :-D

This is a very interesting post and it's actually interesting to see someone who was in strong favor of legalized abortion question their position on this issue.

Perhaps what she saw in the ultrasound struck her as "this actually is a human being". From what it sounds like, this med student is wrestling with the idea that she should support a woman's right to choose abortion and the humanity of the unborn fetus.

I kind of wish the blog had not been deleted. It would've been interesting to hear her work her thoughts out and see what conclusion she arrives at.

How much money does the abortionist make if he 'counsels' the girl towards adoption?

Posted by: Alex at October 20, 2008 12:18 PM
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Depends on what that particular 'abortionist' charges for anti-natal appointments as well as labor and delivery charges. Undoubtedly a great deal more profit than for performing an abortion.
How much money does a CPC make for arranging adoptions?

My wife was a medical doctor before she focused on raising the family....and she said that most of these abortionists were the ones having trouble "making it" in the real healthcare industry...

Either they lack the knowledge to further their practice, have a personality issue to continue proper practice or are just in it for the money (greed)....

Posted by: RSD at October 20, 2008 3:45 PM
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If your wife knows so much about obstetrics and psychiatry, why doesn't she post with her extensive knowledge on this blog?

Sally: maybe she's too busy looking after the little ones.
My doctor when I had only two small babies, was a woman expecting her 2nd child. She quit to raise her family. Not uncommon for women doctors to do this.
I should think she'd find this blog a little tiring at times. Theres a lot of stupidity floating around in the ethernet....

Depends on what that particular 'abortionist' charges for anti-natal appointments as well as labor and delivery charges. Undoubtedly a great deal more profit than for performing an abortion.
How much money does a CPC make for arranging adoptions?

Posted by: Sally at October 20, 2008 7:10 PM

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Hogwash post.

The point is the abortionist can't make it in the real medical profession of OB/GYN, hence the fall back of killing healthy mother's healthy children for a living, that is when they're not engaged in eugenics.

Got a problem with CPC's, Sally? They exist on donations, NOT a single tax payer dollar hits their doors, unlike PP (LARGEST abortion provider).

How do you people sleep at night? Oh right, you don't have a conscience, I keep forgetting that.

CPC = Run by Volunteers. Functions on donations they receive from good and kind hearted donators.

PP: Receives tax dollars that are used to indoctrinate youth into promiscuous lifestyles. Largest abortion provider in US. Founded by racist eugenicist Margaret Sanger.

Hi Bethany! long time no chat!! :-D

Hi Patricia!! :) Good to see you too!!!!

How much money does a CPC make for arranging adoptions?
Posted by: Sally at October 20, 2008 7:10 PM
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The one I operated didn't arrange adoptions at all. We referred for adoption. And we made no money whatsoever from any service. All of our services were completely free to the public, including pregnancy testing, clothing, diapers, formula, food, parenting classes, etc. We did not have ultrasounds yet when I was there, which was several years ago.

We struggled financially, and yet we had hundreds upon hundreds of women walk through our doors each year for assistance. We depended solely on the donations of individuals, churches, and businesses.

Believe me, I wasn't there for the money, because often, I would go without paychecks so we could pay the rent to stay open. CPCs aren't in it for the money...PP is.

Jill, you realize what you're doing with this post could legitimately be considered internet harassment, right? This poor med student has deleted her post because of the hate mail, and eventually deleted the entire blog. She pretty clearly doesn't want people to read it, but you post the entire blog on your web site.

Frankly, if I was her, I'd sue for copyright infringement (blogspot has very specifically outlined copyright laws). Does she even know you're using her blog?

New low here.

At least the "poor med student" hasn't yet deleted any people.

And if she didn't want people to read her blog, why did she put the article on her blog? --and make the blog publicly accessible? Or did Jill hijack her e-amail account? Someone did that to Mrs. Palin's account. It had a password and was obviously private.

But maybe Human Abstract is merely being ironic. I can't see that he really intends us to accept his argument.

Why do you assume I'm male, first of all?

Second of all, the fact that the woman deleted the post CLEARLY indicates that she no longer wishes it to be public. Why is this at all acceptable?

This is a good lesson for all..

If you put something (pictures, words, video) out there on the Internet, it's gone. You no longer have control over who sees it, who copies it, who keeps it FOREVER! I am trying to teach my children this lesson. And I guess adults need this lesson, too.

Also, I don't hate this med student. I feel very sorry for those who are uninformed about this generation's holocaust.

Looking forward to reading Norma's book. Another excellent book, THE HAND OF GOD, by Bernard Nathanson. He and another man were the founders of NARAL (actually the organization that became NARAL). He ran the largest abortion clinic in NY city in 1973, when abortion became legal. He even performed the abortion on his OWN child. He is now a catholic, pro-lifer. What changed his mind? ULTRASOUND! Seeing that there was actually a baby in there.

He is now a catholic, pro-lifer. What changed his mind? ULTRASOUND! Seeing that there was actually a baby in there.
Posted by: Lovethemboth at October 21, 2008 9:55 AM

Not sure I understand that one. If he was doing the abortion and taking the baby out, wouldn't he be just as aware of what it was without an ultrasound?

Lovethemboth,
I am reading The Hand of God right now! :)

Ultrasound showed him a live baby.

Abortion showed him the pieces of what once was a live baby.

Human Abstract, as your screen name does not indicate whether you are male or female, you ought not to take offense when someone calls you male or female. I doubt that you would like to be referred to by the neuter gender, it. I purposely used the masculine gender as it is also the common gender. It is understood that the masculine pronouns include both male and female.

The medical student who deleted the post might not have wanted it to be public anymore, but she had already made it public. She had made the choice. It was the right choice, and Jill seems to commend it. I can sympathize with the sense of shame that the medical student should have had, but at least--as I have already noted--she had not herself murdered anyone. Jill's message clearly was not intended to vilify her but to give an example of the process that either hardens someone into a pro-abortionist or positively transforms him into a pro-lifer. We obviously hope for the positive transformation.

And I also wish the same for you, however hardened you have already become.

Aaaahhh...the fruits of legalized abortion. Wasn't abortion-on-demand supposed to make women's lives BETTER, even PERFECT? Or maybe, just maybe, the emotional toll is just now being realized...

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Study: Middle-Age Women Driving Up U.S. Suicide Rate

Tuesday, October 21, 2008

The number of women committing suicide has increased dramatically over the past decade and is driving up the nation's suicide rate as a whole, a new study finds.

The rate of suicide in the United States has risen for the first time in a decade and, for once, middle-age women are being looked at as the culprit driving the increase, according to researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health’s Center for Injury Research and Policy.

The increase in the overall suicide rate between 1999 and 2005 was due primarily to an increase in suicides among whites ages 40-64, with white middle-age women experiencing the largest annual increase, according to the study, which will be published in the December issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine.

The overall suicide rate rose 0.7 percent over the study period, but increased 3.9 percent for middle-age white women and 2.7 percent for white men in the same age group.

“The results underscore a change in the epidemiology of suicide, with middle-aged whites emerging as a new high-risk group,” said study co-author Susan P. Baker, a professor with the Bloomberg School’s Center for Injury Research and Policy, in a news release.

“Historically, suicide prevention programs have focused on groups considered to be at highest risk — teens and young adults of both genders as well as elderly white men," she continued. "This research tells us we need to refocus our resources to develop prevention programs for men and women in their middle years.”

Researchers also found that while firearms remain the predominant method of suicide, the rate of firearm suicides decreased during the study period. Suicide by hanging or suffocation increased markedly with a 6.3 percent annual increase among men, and a 2.3 percent annual increase among women, the authors noted.

Hanging/suffocation accounted for 22 percent of all suicides by 2005, surpassing poisoning at 18 percent, researchers found.

The study's authors said the reasons for the increased suicide rate are not fully understood and that more research is needed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,441921,00.html

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This demographic is the group of women who had the misfortune of coming of age during the post Roe vs. Wade era. Talk about "chickens coming home to roost".

Please allow me to explain counseling. It is done as a requirement in many states. It can be nothing but they still put it on the chart as having been done.
The other aspect of 'counseling" is to cover that opening near the perineam. They say they throughly counseled so that if the mom is distraught or suicidal, they are covered. They also use it to say It appeared that She was going to have emotional problems and for the sake of her mental health, it was better to abort.

Please let me describe actuall counselling. It is the abortionist pearing over the drapes facing the mom when she has her legs up in stirrups.

In routine D&c's which were spontaneous abortions, we called the deal. "rape em' drape em and scrape em. In a catholic hospital.
It is all morbid.

"Depends on what that particular 'abortionist' charges for anti-natal appointments as well as labor and delivery charges."

If you can show me statistics that Planned Parenthood provides more prenatal care and delivery services than abortions or show me a private clinic which provides, prenatal care and delivery services, I'll show you a CPC that makes money off of adoptions (note: it's sarcasm)

My heart goes out to these young girls.They are so deceived.We as a nation are facing a judgement from GOD that no nation has ever seen.You dont murder 50 millon babies and just walk away from that.Please read PSALM 106 verses 33-43.Then read JOHN 3/16.

In addition:
According to Planned Parenthood's 2006-2007 annual report,
There were:
2,410 Adoption Referrals to Other Agencies
11,058 Prenatal Clients
19,557 Primary Care Clients, Women and Men
140,968 Other Services, Women and Men (Some examples in this category include WIC services, pediatric care, and immunizations.)

While there were 289,750 Abortion Procedures (an increase of 24,807 from the year before) and 3,977,333 appointments for contraception.

Planned Parenthood is in the business of family planning and nothing more, the rest of it is just a public image facade to give them the appearance of being benign.

What I mean by that last sentence is that I don't doubt they provide those services, but rather they the emphasis is not on these services so much as abortion and birth control, but rather these services are just mearly provided as a public image facade to negate their contraversial abortion services and give them the appearance of being a benign and beneficial all-around primary care provider.

In routine D&c's which were spontaneous abortions, we called the deal. "rape em' drape em and scrape em. In a catholic hospital.
It is all morbid.

Posted by: xppc at October 21, 2008 11:14 AM

Are you saying you used those words while doing a D&C for a woman who had had a spontaneous abortion (as in miscarriage)?

I find that VERY hard to believe. Are you a doctor? nurse?

PJMama,
I had just read that! They will look no further than undiagnosed depression, bipolar, anxiety disorders etc. How many of those women had abortions? We will never know. Drugs!! We need more drugs!! Yes!! That's it!!

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, An Overview of Abortion in the United States: 63% of abortions are preformed at less than 9 weeks, followed by 17% of abortions preformed at 9 to 10 weeks.

These are embryos at 6, 7, and 9 weeks since Last Menstrual Period. Also, here are the post-abortion remains at 9 weeks (graphic image warning) Do they look like "blood and white fluff" "tissue" or "blood clots" (as abortion clinic workers often refer to them) to you!?

To assert the developmental appearance of embryos based on the post-abortion combination of placenta, blood, and what sounds to be chorionic membrane is deceiving and dishonest to both the women and themselves.

Mods,
Got a post in moderation due to links, post pertains to this discussion, please approve the message as soon as possible, thanks!

Yes Carla. Also note that since 1973, the following have also increased "beyond comprehension". These big, smart scientists just can't figure it out, somehow...

- diagnosis of depression and prescriptions for anti-depressants
- breast cancer
- abortions (duh!)
- child and other domestic violence

Apparently only the Powers That Be are flummoxed as to all of the possible reasons for this. Can't be abortion. Nah!

Ignorance sure is blind. It seems that the only remedy that the pro-aborts have to offer affected women is "don't worry...be happy...here take this Prozac, get a pre-emptive mastectomy and keep practicing what we like to call "consequence-free" sex. It's the opiate of the masses.

Actually, I prefer not to be spoken of in the third person while you’re responding to my post. Second person would be preferred. Also, in modern English, he is no longer the common gender: as an English major, all of my classes were taught that using ‘he’ exclusively was ‘sexist language,’ and that the author should either split the paper between using ‘he’ and ‘she,’ or refer to the referenced individual by their name or gender. As my identified gender is ambiguous, and the situation was such that second-person references would be ideal, using that would be the correct way to respond.

And, as I realize my gender is ambiguous, ‘it’ is perfectly acceptable, even expected.

She made the choice, true. But copyright is a complex series of legal agreements, and the online world makes the already difficult legal terms all the more slippery. The med student could make the argument, legitimately, that her removal of the post from the internet constituted a breaking of the contract that allows her blog to be linked back to, and thus Jill’s actions in posting the blog anyway would be, if not out and out illegal, of questionable legality.

Of course, this is par for the course. Jill regularly uses photos from outside sources, most problematically the AP. Even newspapers need to pay for an AP wire subscription to use those photos: if their lawyers ever got a hold of this blog, they’d have a field day, regardless of whether or not Jill cites the sources. Videos are also linked to: many of these videos have songs in the background, and I’d be willing to bet that the artists of these songs weren’t contacted for permission.

PJ Mama, the study clearly said “the reasons for the increased suicide rate are not fully understood and that more research is needed.” Did you not read the whole study?

My point, HA, is that they can do "further research" all they want, but they won't dare even address or study the possibility that abortion might be a contributing cause to the increased rate of suicide. It's simply ignored because of political pressure to do so. As a result, the public and especially women continue to be kept in the dark as to the risks associated with abortion.

So, HA, did you not read my full post?

The following post was from Rachael C.

"According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, An Overview of Abortion in the United States: 63% of abortions are preformed at less than 9 weeks, followed by 17% of abortions preformed at 9 to 10 weeks. These are embryos at 6, 7, and 9 weeks since Last Menstrual Period. Also, here are the post-abortion remains at 9 weeks (graphic image warning) Do they look like "blood and white fluff" "tissue" or "blood clots" (as abortion clinic workers often refer to them) to you!? To assert the developmental appearance of embryos based on the post-abortion combination of placenta, blood, and what sounds to be chorionic membrane is deceiving and dishonest to both the women and themselves."

Also, HA, your insistence on diversionary and ad hominem attacks are so transparent. A classic case of "attack the messenger" instead of discussing the substance and content of this med student's blog post. Kind of reminds me of the recent attack on "Joe the Plumber". Instead of addressing his legitimate concerns about Obama's tax policies, the Dem attack dogs start barking crap about "he doesn't even have a plumber's license".

Another Alinsky tactic straight out of "Rules for Radicals".

Instead of addressing his legitimate concerns about Obama's tax policies, the Dem attack dogs start barking crap about "he doesn't even have a plumber's license".

Well, they have also pointed out that "Joe's" taxes would be lower under Obama than McCain. So, that's addressing his "legitimate" concerns a bit.

Bobby, thanks for approving my post, but the links didn't go through and it'd be a hassel to try to wrangle them all up, would you still have a copy of the original post in the que?

Actually, Rachael, I found your post in spam (I must have accidentally put it there) and I'm not sure how to retrieve it from there which is why I had to copy and paste it.

Chris or Bethany or some other mod, do any of y'all know how to retrieve a post from spam? We should be able to get this taken care of, Rachael...

Ah, never mind, I think I figured it out...

Ah good there we go. Rachael's post with the appropriate links is above at October 21, 2008 12:18 PM.

Instead of addressing his legitimate concerns about Obama's tax policies, the Dem attack dogs start barking crap about "he doesn't even have a plumber's license".

Well, they have also pointed out that "Joe's" taxes would be lower under Obama than McCain. So, that's addressing his "legitimate" concerns a bit.

Posted by: Hal at October 21, 2008 12:59 PM

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That may be true Hal. However, Joe wasn't asking about his current situation, he was asking about his FUTURE plans to, you know, make his life BETTER by becoming a small business owner who may have more than $250k in yearly receipts and/or net income.

He wanted to know whether Obama's tax plan would be a DISincentive for him to try and better his own life. Should he work harder by buying a business where he would bring in more money, but in which the tax burden would be so great that he would ultimately net the same or less personal income?

I am a firm believer that Obama's punitive tax plan will stifle entrepreneurship, reward laziness, and subsequently REDUCE the federal tax receipts, hurting us ALL.

I mean, how DARE Joe the Plumber want to make his life better...

Puntivie tax plan? how high do you think the mariginal rate would be, and how high do you think it is now?

Obama Lie No. 1 — I will tax just the rich.
There is no such thing as a tax on just the rich. Taxes on wealthy people affect everyone.
Remember, Obama defines anyone making over $90,000 a year as "rich."
Joe the plumber discovered that Obama thinks Joe's rich too. Under Obama, he won't be able to hire new employees and grow his business.
Joe's not alone. Obama says he'll strip away the FICA cap at $90,000 for every worker. That means every dollar you earn over that amount, you'll pay 7 percent!
Obama Lie No. 2 — I want to give a tax cut
to the middle class.
Baloney!
Obama says he will let the Bush tax cuts expire. That's an automatic 5 percent (maximum) tax increase on almost all taxpayers.
Plus middle class folks pay capital gains taxes. Obama has said he wants to almost double them from a low of 15 percent to almost 30 percent.
He wants to hike the dividend tax, and he also has promised taxes on gas and energy.
Obama also wants to dramatically increase the estate tax, which had almost disappeared. There goes your idea of sharing your wealth with your kids in the future.
Obama Lie No. 3 — I want to make America
more secure.
Another outright lie.
In an age when crazies like Iran's Ahmadinejad are building ballistic missiles and promise to "destroy" the United States and Israel, Obama has promised to gut the missile defense program created by President Reagan.
"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems," Obama said.
He has promised to cut "tens of billions" of dollars from the Defense Department. In an effort to make us more "secure," Obama plans to disarm us.
In the age of 9/11 can we afford such a radical Leftist in the White House?
No, we can't.

Well, PJM, I think Obama would be great on the economy,national defense, judges, education, enviornment, energy, and foreign policy. Can we afford 8 more years of Bush/McCain (and god help us--Palin)? No, we can't.

Key word is "I think". You're basing your vote for president on how BO makes you FEEL. This is not only foolish but dangerous. BO not only has no record showing that ANY of the things you just said are true, but DOES have a record indicating that the exact OPPOSITE would be true.

John McCain and Sarah Palin, conversely, have a lengthy and consistent record proving that their words and promises are more than hollow rhetoric AND that their election would be anything BUT a continuation of Bush policies.

You're deluding yourself, dude. You've fallen for the words of a duplicitous "playa" who is betting that a slim majority of the electorate will follow him out of the frying pan and into the fire. You are the epitome of a bitter voter who will cut off his nose to spite his face.

Make no mistake, the Obama-Biden-Pelosi-Reid mafia will be the worst thing that has ever happened to this country, or to the world for that matter. I pray that I never have the opportunity to get on this site and tell you that "I told you so".

oh my, you're really going to suggest that Palin has a "lengthy and consistent record?" Other than being for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it, I don't see much in her record that's relevant to the job see seeks.

My "opinion" is based on my review of all the records of all the candidates. I'm sure your "opinion" is also. But you dismiss my opinion of the facts as "just a feeling" (foolish ad dangerous)yet our opinion of the facts are gospel.

For the last time (I hope) you're free to vote for who ever you want, but it's pretty damn elitist to assume those who are voting different than you aren't paying attention or don't know the "truth."

Haven't got the quote handy, but wasn't it you who said on this site recently that there's nothing wrong with being an elitist?

If that was you, then I'll take your last post as a compliment and bid you good evening.

PJMama,

Obama says he will let the Bush tax cuts expire. That's an automatic 5 percent (maximum) tax increase on almost all taxpayers.

Most of the mainstream media is not talking about this - no surprise. Will McCain do the same? Thanks.

Hal,

Just one more thing before I go to the supermarket...

I think that my assuming that people who are voting for BO are - to give them the benefit of the doubt - "misinformed" is quite a bit more charitable than the now-popular charge thrown around willy-nilly that those who vote for McCain are "racist".

Kind of a big difference in tone, dontcha think?

Janet,
No, McCain plans to keep the Bush tax cuts in place if he is elected president, in addition to cutting more taxes for EVERYONE, not just those making less than $90k. He plans to balance the budget, not by taxing everyone more and killing the economy, but by reigning in spending, namely by vetoing any bill that comes across his desk that contains earmarks/pork spending. You know, like all us regular folks have to do each month in our homes?

BO has proposed hundreds of billions of dollars in additional entitlement programs and spending, as well as tax cuts for 95% of Americans. Too bad he neglects to tell you that the bottom-earning 40% of Americans pay no income tax anyway. He would give them a bunch of new "tax credits", which is basically disguised welfare. So, when April 15th comes around each year, those of us who are pulling our weight see it as "pay your bills day" while that bottom 40% will be getting fat checks from the government and view it as just "payday".

The checks are just welfare in disguise.

I'm sorry, is welfare now a dirty, racist word, too?

I haven't heard anyone throw around willy nilly the charge that people who support McCain are racists. I did hear some say something racist like "Powell only endorsed Obama because he's black."

PJMama,
Thanks for the economics lesson. You're quite the expert, no?

"BO has proposed hundreds of billions of dollars in additional entitlement programs and spending."

Every increase is offset by a cut somewhere else. Don't you guys listen?

Janet,

No expert at all...wish I knew more. I just follow the campaign closely and many details are ingrained in my brain. My hubby would love it if I weren't so involved, but I feel that this election is the most important in my lifetime on SO many levels.

It IS a significant fork in the road for this country.

I haven't heard anyone throw around willy nilly the charge that people who support McCain are racists. I did hear some say something racist like "Powell only endorsed Obama because he's black."
Posted by: Hal at October 21, 2008 4:55 PM
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Um, I watch the news, read newspapers, blogs, etc. outside of this blog.
Here let me help you out with some hot-off-the-presses updates:

Rep. Jack Murtha calls Western Pennsylvania citizens "racist" - won't vote for Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/murtha-western-pa-racist_n_135043.html

Former Clinton Advisor James Carville calls Americans "racist" that won't vote for Obama - says there will be race riots if Obama does not win election
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/james-carville-hints-riots-if-obama-loses

Liberals' Warnings About Obama Loss May Prove Self-Fulfilling
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/liberals_warnings_about_obama.html

If Obama LosesRacism is the only reason McCain might beat him.
By Jacob Weisberg
http://www.slate.com/id/2198397/

Should I go on?

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"BO has proposed hundreds of billions of dollars in additional entitlement programs and spending."

Every increase is offset by a cut somewhere else. Don't you guys listen?
Posted by: Hal at October 21, 2008 5:24 PM

Sorry if I don't get all tingly when "He" talks about cutting defense spending in order to give sub-standard medical care to the masses who can already get it anyway through MedicAid.

It IS a significant fork in the road for this country.
Posted by: PJMama at October 21, 2008 6:03 PM

On that we agree.

Oh, and one of my favorite "support Obama or you're a racist" examples, now affect LITTLE CHILDREN:

Florida 7th Grader Called Racist for Wearing McCain-Palin Shirt
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/17/florida-th-grader-called-racist-wearing-mccain-palin-shirt/

Should I take my life in my hands and post a McCain/Palin sign in my yard in upstate New York?

I was reading through these comments and was thinking of a couple of things. One, I have 3 grandchildren who were all born preemies (two of them were micro-preemies). The eldest was born at 24 weeks, the second at 32 weeks and the third at 29 weeks. They are precious children all healthy and sweet. I still recall my eldest grandson at the age of two months and I was holding him for the first time. Both of my hands covered his entire body. He snuggled up to me. He would have been only 7 months inside the womb at that time. His fingernails were the size of the letter "o"...but he was a life! These are times when abortions happen...yet this is not even taken into consideration when an abortion is being done.
Secondly, I thought of the movie "It's a Wonderful Life". I thought of what it would have been like if Obama's mom had had an abortion and he did not exist. Think of all the children who have died at the hands of a doctor who had no value for life...but the pain does not stop there...it moves into the hearts of those who have had the abortion too.

Obama is all for medicare and the elderly...yet he is willing to toss a baby into the dumpster with the trash. Is this humanity?
Life is a gift...who are we to throw away a gift that God alone has given?

"yet he is willing to toss a baby into the dumpster with the trash. Is this humanity?"

"toss a baby into a dumpster?" really?

Hal,
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/hodari/

Hal,
Maybe Obama has never physically thrown a baby in the trash, but he makes sure abortionists like Hodari have the right to. Pathetic.

"Also, HA, your insistence on diversionary and ad hominem attacks are so transparent. A classic case of "attack the messenger" instead of discussing the substance and content of this med student's blog post. Kind of reminds me of the recent attack on "Joe the Plumber". Instead of addressing his legitimate concerns about Obama's tax policies, the Dem attack dogs start barking crap about "he doesn't even have a plumber's license".

Another Alinsky tactic straight out of "Rules for Radicals"."

So.....where's the substance of your post?

Also, there was a suicide report released the SAME day that clarified that men's suicide rates are climbing as well. Wanna blame that on abortion too?

Also, there was a suicide report released the SAME day that clarified that men's suicide rates are climbing as well. Wanna blame that on abortion too?
Posted by: HumanAbstract at October 21, 2008 11:42 PM

I'll blame eight years of Bush.

Actually, hal, I'm going to blame the same thing. :)

Actually, dearies, fathers are often just as negatively affected by abortion as are mothers. Believe it or not, there are many times that the father of the baby WANTS their child...may even offer to take full responsibility for the child once born, but the mother aborts anyway. Tragic. Hard to live with the sorrow on that one.

But more commonly, fathers have to deal with the same sorrow that abortive mothers do; knowledge that they were complicit, conciliatory or even facilitated by force the abortion of their own flesh and blood. From experience, I can tell you that this is very hard to live with, and some people simply choose not to ultimately continue with the pain and take their own life...That is, if they don't reach out to God and take the forgiveness that He offers us continually. It's only there for the taking. We don't have to deserve it. Those who reject His love understandably feel like they have no other option but to end it all.

These are the forgotten victims of abortion.

Um, not because George Bush listened in on their phone call to Libya.

PJMama,
The men that have been hurt by abortion are beginning to speak up as well! I have met 2 in my state with heartbreaking stories of wanting their children to live. Thank you for your post.

I know Carla. I can only imagine standing by powerless while your wanted child is killed all with the power of the law behind it? I would imagine that rage is a huge part of the overwhelming sadness that these fathers feel.

Abortion is a tragedy, not just for the baby, but for ALL of those even remotely involved. And make no mistake that, as a society, we all are involved, whether we know it or not.

Agreed. Abortion hurts us all.

God bless your heart Carla...I love coming here and talking with you!

Right back atcha PJMama! There is nothing like finding friends in the battle! :)

Uhm, I'm not Christian and I have no suicidal desires. I"m not sure which non-Christians YOU'RE talking to, but I'm quite happy with my life.

With this, you're basically saying: "Abortion is the reason, but no one will ever prove that, because of political pressure! I'm right, but it'll never been proven! Aaaaaah!"

If it's so important to you, go prove it yourself.

PJ Mama: It IS a significant fork in the road for this country.

Hal: On that we agree.

Boy.... I wish it was - I wish it was possible for that to be true.

Really - our current problems are not "due to Bush." He's been bad, financially, but not to the extent that the magnitude of our stuff has really changed. The deal was set before he even got in.

Yes, the terrible grief can follow abortion. I have never had one, but I have had terrible grief over my child being abused and misled and me being disempowered (if that is a word). That is because I have a rare genetic illness which makes it very hard for me to take charge of things as a parent or anything else, some of the time. Obama and others like him imagine that their "race" makes them different. They also imagine that the struggles of a not-wanted child are worse than abortion pain. Well, I have this to say to O and others: you have not experienced much and are not qualified to lead.

i think this blog spoke resoundingly on late term abortions, especially those involving minors. it's a shame that she felt ashamed about it, she probably felt she needed to "take a side" and didn't want to betray her pro choice ideology. But this issue shouldn't be a war that we're trying to fight, we need to find common ground and work together on things that will benefit both of our causes. We need more government programs for pregnant mothers and daycare programs (in schools and workplaces) and education... many women who have abortions feel like they don't have a "choice"... we need to show them that they do

Which government, Lisa? of the church or the state? The church does a much better job of helping women to be good mothers. Many churches run crisis pregnancy centres and offer counselling.

Also, there is supposed to be the government of the family by parents. I mean that parents are responsible for their children. The care of children is not the civil government's responsibility. The civil government does have jurisdiction when the parents horribly abuse their authority, e.g. try to kill their children.

Really - our current problems are not "due to Bush." He's been bad, financially, but not to the extent that the magnitude of our stuff has really changed. The deal was set before he even got in.

Posted by: Doug at October 22, 2008 8:33 PM

Can't believe you said it, but since you did, it's worth repeating!

"Really - our current problems are not "due to Bush." He's been bad, financially, but not to the extent that the magnitude of our stuff has really changed. The deal was set before he even got in."

Can't believe you said it, but since you did, it's worth repeating!

Ha! Janet, does this mean you want your goat back? ; )

To continue with it, there was no real "surplus" under Clinton, either. The "off-budget" items of federal expenditure had us still running several hundred billion Dollars in the red.

The President has a lot of power, but Congress is where the real money deal is set down, and neither party has been worth a crap in that regard.

Ha! Janet, does this mean you want your goat back? ; )

Yes, please.

Anyone following the history of Nazism will find it was the DOCTORS that perfected the means of murdering the millions of people that perished in the Holocaust. Do a search for the Nazi "Aktion T-4" program and Hitler's "Euthanasia Decree". You will find that of so-called "doctors" today, about FIFTY PERCENT look upon humanity as "disposable". Hitler's "Life Unworthy of Life" is the Planned Barrenhood mantra and is not new. It has been around for at least two centuries, perhaps more. Before you have any doctor jab a needle in your arm, BE SURE where he or she stands on the Sanctity of Human Life. The LIFE you save by doing this may well be your own. Don't think it's just unborn babies that are the target... they're just the FIRST target. Semper Fi

Anyone following the history of Nazism will find it was the DOCTORS that perfected the means of murdering the millions of people that perished in the Holocaust.

And, doggone it, it was doggone doctors who were behind the move in the US to criminalize abortion in the 1800's....