Mike Wallace interviews Margaret Sanger

Holly Gatling of South Carolina Citizens for Life forwarded a link to the following archived 1957 Mike Wallace interview with Margaret Sanger. I'd never seen Sanger live. I'm not sure how long the interview lasted, 30-45 minutes, but I was spellbound. (Sanger was one itchy woman.)

Sanger was clearly hostile to the Catholic Church. Her talking points were remarkably similar to her Planned Parenthood progeny. She saw pregnancy prevention and population control as the cure for problems such as world hunger. She disagreed that birth control would lead to promiscuity.

The question is, 50 years later, where is any proof Sanger was right? Isn't there, rather, overwhelming proof she was wrong?

The Philip Morris cigarette pitches... wow, now those dated this piece more than anything else. Click on graphic below to link to video:


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Interestingly, Sanger refused to call infidelity or murder sin but strongly condemned as sin bearing sick children or bringing children into problematic homes, i.e., eugenics. When Wallace asked Sanger if she believed in sin...

Sanger: I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world - that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin - that people can - can commit....

Wallace: Do you believe infidelity is a sin?...

Sanger: I don't know about infidelity, that has many personalities to it - and what a person's own belief is - you can't, I couldn't generalize on any of those things as being sins.

Wallace: Murder is a sin.

Sanger: Well, I naturally think murder, whether it's a sin or not, is a terrible act.

Of course we think of murder when we think of Sanger and abortion, but she obviously did not. Sanger also had a new-age view of God, saying we each have divinity within us, although again, she obviously placed preborn children in a non-divine category.


Comments:

Yawn. Margaret Sanger has about as much relevence to contemporary Pro-Choiceism as the Spanish Inquisition has to contemporary Christianity

Posted by: SoMG at July 9, 2008 6:19 AM


What is interesting is that she had a new age element to her "theology".

And infidelity has "many personalities"? What does that mean?

All abortionists rationalize their work as compassionate in the helping to eliminate "unwanted" children from the Earth.

Of course, this utilitarian ethic is now being used at the other end of the life spectrum as we begin to eliminate "unwanted" elderly also through so called compassion.

Posted by: Patricia at July 9, 2008 6:58 AM


Jill, I don't know how you found this video, but that was INCREDIBLE! I have never seen a video of Margaret Sanger before- didn't know there was one still in existence. Very eye opening as to the very roots of abortion.

Loved the cigarette ads too! LOL

Posted by: Bethany at July 9, 2008 7:09 AM


I wonder if anyone will answer your question, Jill? I hope so, but I doubt it.

'The question is, 50 years later, where is any proof Sanger was right? Isn't there, rather, overwhelming proof she was wrong?'

Posted by: Bethany at July 9, 2008 7:10 AM


Somg, really? Then, care to explain Planned Parenthood's continual honoring of Margaret Sanger, and the fact that they used her name to begin an organization encouraging her ideals?

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/nyc/files/NYC/GENDER_THE_RIGHTS_WAY5.pdf

Margaret Sanger's views are alive and well today in "pro-choiceism".


Posted by: Bethany at July 9, 2008 7:13 AM


The ONLY way for her ideas to even work was for her to deny the very existence of God. And if she were alive today, then every customer walking through the doors of Planned Parenthood would be ripe for sterilization. Got an STD? Get sterilized so you don't pass it on to your kids. Already have a child? Get sterilized because you've got too many. Still in school and pregnant? Get sterilized because you're too young. Poor and black? Get sterilized because there's too many of YOU. If you didn't fit Sanger's mold of the "fit" human, you should be sterilized.

Posted by: Cranky Catholic at July 9, 2008 7:15 AM


There's got to be some sort of relationship between the cigarettes, Mike Wallace's promotion of them, the absolutely irrefutable evidence of their danger today, and Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood and the idea of birth control.

Hmmm... what could that be?

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at July 9, 2008 7:32 AM


cranky catholic: i agree
I will watch the video later today - have to go to work!

Posted by: Patricia at July 9, 2008 7:33 AM


Patricia, you wrote: "All abortionists rationalize their work as compassionate in the helping to eliminate "unwanted" children from the Earth."

I don't.

Posted by: SoMG at July 9, 2008 7:37 AM


Double-post alert: please delete one of them.

Posted by: SoMG at July 9, 2008 7:39 AM


Nuanced use of the term "birth control" as opposed to contraception.

Watching this - I get the distinct impression that Wallace was a sympathizer, given his question framing.

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at July 9, 2008 7:42 AM


Chris, I noticed that too.

Posted by: Bethany at July 9, 2008 7:52 AM


I only watched a little bit, but the divorce thing that she suggested marriage counseling at their clinics........did she also say birth control, birth control, birth control by chance?


This woman was creepy.


Posted by: LizFromNebraska at July 9, 2008 8:00 AM



Talk about dated. I remember a movie made around 1965 about interns and residents in medical training.
There's the very obviously pregnant wife of one of them puffing away on a cigarette with her half a dozen other kids running around the smoke filled apt.
The other resident was caught procuring an abortion causing drug for his pregnant girlfriend, and thrown out of medical school.
How times have indeed changed!

Posted by: Mary at July 9, 2008 8:02 AM


He may have been a sympathizer, but I wish people like Margaret Sanger (maybe Cecile Richards) would be put through an interview like that. "What? You quoted me? I wouldn't say something that exposed my true agenda like that... Natural law? That's unnatural." Wallace followed through with his questions and quotes without giving into Sanger's attempts to diverge the conversation - don't see that kind of persistence in television interviews anymore. "I think that Catholics should have a say in what their tax dollars are spent on, even though I said a few days ago that they shouldn't." She's a flip-flopper - now we know where that trend came from. Wallace should have handed her some cortozone cream.

Posted by: just saying at July 9, 2008 8:16 AM


Actually it's very interesting the question that Wallace raises from the "Question Box" - I got the impression that the RCC's concern was for marriage - that it's distinctly for children, our posterity and when birth control is introduced, marriage will be abused. Same-sex marriage anyone?

She also, like many of her advocates today, completely sidesteps questions - the question is about sex - she deflects to the relationship. Sex isn't about children?

Children are secondary?

She questions the RCC argument by arguing about their authority - typically evasive.

Posted by: Chris Arsenault at July 9, 2008 8:18 AM


What cracked me up is that there was a warning that this interview was too adult in matter to be watched by children.

Now we give children birth control, but would be totally up in arms that they were promoting smoking!

Too funny.

Posted by: mk at July 9, 2008 8:51 AM


I love the whole "mans kind of mildness."

Oh yes, that is absolutely the problem today. I'm so glad Wallace identified it so long ago.

Posted by: Andrew at July 9, 2008 9:01 AM


MK,

How true. Speaking of smoking, I read an account by a man who said he encountered a woman "with more tattoos than the U.S. 7th fleet, who danced at the sleaziest dive in NYC, and she looked down on me because I smoke!"

Posted by: Mary at July 9, 2008 9:05 AM


Well, we just watched an example of an extremely fearful/paranoid, rigid/frigid, selfish, socially challenged woman. She herself should have sought psychiatric help...and I would have advised her NOT to use the services of those of her "clinics" for her own mental health! She could not commit to any kind of sacrifice within her own second marriage that might demand even a little bending of her own personal preferences. She completely and irresponsibly neglected any thought of future implications of chemistry upon the moral/physical natures of human beings. She considered these to the same extent that she was willingly co-opted to cheer on the advertiser's brand of cigarettes at the end of the interview! What a silly woman for so-called "feminists" to have for their continuing foundation. Some might even come to the conclusion that they NEVER can learn anything!

Posted by: KC at July 9, 2008 9:24 AM


I just hope the PP and NOW gang don't have a hissy fit about Mike calling her "Mrs. Sanger"....

Posted by: jeh2nd at July 9, 2008 9:38 AM


...funny, but Sangers response sounds oddly familiar...where have I heard those skewed reasonings before?

Oh yeah, now I remember...from the pro-aborts that post here.

Posted by: RSD at July 9, 2008 9:47 AM


...I know I'm gonna get hit with this but...the way Sanger answers "hints" of how Obama sidesteps moral questions...

maybe it's just me...

But hey, PP supports Obama right?

Posted by: RSD at July 9, 2008 10:24 AM


Sanger: I think the greatest sin in the world is bring children into the world - that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically. Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they're born. That to me is the greatest sin - that people can - can commit

Wow, so she has determined that deliquency and disposition toward being a prisoner is marked when children are born and that people who have such children are commiting the greatest sin in the world. Ughh, the word LOONY comes to mind.

Posted by: truthseeker at July 9, 2008 10:25 AM


I agree RSD, the Obama quote about children being a burden sounds just like Sanger.

Posted by: truthseeker at July 9, 2008 10:27 AM


"Margaret Sanger's views are alive and well today in "pro-choiceism".

Posted by: Bethany at July 9, 2008 7:13 AM"
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Yeah Bethany...SoMG WISHES we forget Sanger when discussing PP and abortion...

Posted by: RSD at July 9, 2008 11:09 AM


Kind of ironic how the pro-abort side screams about children being exposed to graphic pictures of abortion but they want same children to get PP visits in school, get on birth control, and make sure young girls know PP is available to rip same children out of her womb should they get pregnant.

Posted by: truthseeker at July 9, 2008 11:16 AM


yeah Truthseeker..and they call it "CHOICE"...

Posted by: RSD at July 9, 2008 11:34 AM


Patricia, you wrote: "All abortionists rationalize their work as compassionate in the helping to eliminate "unwanted" children from the Earth."

I don't.

Posted by: SoMG at July 9, 2008 7:37 AM

So you are just a cold blooded killer. I get it!

Posted by: Patricia at July 9, 2008 2:57 PM


No, Patricia, I am a warm-blooded killer.

Posted by: SoMG at July 9, 2008 4:10 PM


Lets go for heartless killer. I'm glad you admit it - at least you have NO excuses Somg when your time comes, other than you are an abortion survivor.

I rather thought Mike Wallace was good at trying to get Sanger to spill her guts on what she really thought.
She was obviously very anti-Catholic (God whatever possessed her mother to marry an aetheist?).

It's interesting that she did not work to try to get men to exhibit some self-control. Funny how society never ASKS or DEMANDS this from men?

Sanger had no understanding of the nature of celibacy - priests deal all the time with couples, sex, marriage, and child rearing problems. They did not live an isolated existence either then or now. Many priests spend lots of time with parishoners and their families and they hear confessions where the deepest most intimate problems are revealed.

Mike Wallace also did a good job pointing out that the Catholic objection to BC was due to natural law and not some church made law.

The Redbook Magazine article correctly predicted the widespread increase in promiscuity and the weakening of the moral fibre of society if unmarried persons use BC.

As to the use of BC vs contraception - I believe BC was THE term at that time, consistent in keeping with the idea of controlling the number of births.
To me contraception, means NO BIRTHS at all - which is more what we have today.

Interesting too how Sanger just blew off the experts idea that we CAN feed all those starving people.

Posted by: Patricia at July 9, 2008 5:27 PM


Sanger also stressed the importance of intelligence for those who procreate. Ironic coming from a woman who expressed her ideas poorly and was not very intelligent herself.

Posted by: Janet at July 9, 2008 5:32 PM


@Janet: what was with the constant scratching and fussing?
Also, she had to ask several times to have questions repeated and rephrased. This was a woman use to speaking in public.

Posted by: Patricia at July 9, 2008 5:34 PM


"She was obviously very anti-Catholic (God whatever possessed her mother to marry an aetheist?)"

Does anybody know if Sally is related Margret Sanger?

Posted by: Jasper at July 9, 2008 5:42 PM


Sanger makes a lot of sense. No wonder my grandmother was so impressed with her.

Posted by: Hal at July 9, 2008 6:01 PM


Yup Hal. Right up there with the Scientologists and the pregnant "man".

I loved her term, the "smudginess of sex". Yeah, right.

Posted by: Patricia at July 9, 2008 6:05 PM


Wallace seemed unreasonably hostile to her. I lost a lot of respect for him.
I'd hate to ever return to a time where people actually thought like that.

Posted by: Hal at July 9, 2008 6:22 PM


Wallace seemed unreasonably hostile to her. I lost a lot of respect for him.
I'd hate to ever return to a time where people actually thought like that.

Posted by: Hal at July 9, 2008 6:22 PM

Oh, you mean whe people knew sex and babies went together, unmarried women and men for the most part didn't sleep around, fathers didn't abandon the women they impregnated and women carried their babies to term instead of hiring hit-women like Somg to take them out. Yeah, we wouldn't want to go back to those times when people knew right from wrong and took responsibility for their actions!

Posted by: Patricia at July 9, 2008 6:53 PM


What are we waiting for?

Have the modern-day reproductive choice chicks got wind of this?

What would Cecile say? "My Heroine?"

Posted by: carder at July 9, 2008 6:53 PM


Its funny how people will mix up someone like sanger with people that she has nothing to do with. By your count then, every faithful of the Legionares of Christ is responsable for the horrible things done by their founder, every service man or woman responsable for Guantanamo Bay. Kinda guilt by association. What groups are you a memeber of that have tossed around awful ideas?

Posted by: Yo La Tango at July 9, 2008 7:45 PM


I felt the cigarette ads were very telling about the entire video. The Abortion Industry mimmics the Tabacco Industry.

The Tabacco Industry kept saying tabacco does not cause lung cancer. The Abortion Industry keeps denying Contraception and Abortion are a cause of Breast Cancer.

In the Tabacco Industry they disguised the fact saccarin (spelling?) was addictive. They did this to get repeat business from the same customers. In the Abortion Industry we know about 80% of the women who had abortions are repeat customers.

The similarities between the Tabacco Industry and Abortion Industry are exactly the same.

The Abortion Industry is just using the Tabacco Industry's old playbook!

Mike

Posted by: Mike at July 9, 2008 9:12 PM


Sanger also stressed the importance of intelligence for those who procreate. Ironic coming from a woman who expressed her ideas poorly and was not very intelligent herself.

She might very well have been intelligent (she seemed waaaay old in this interview) but she struck me more as a rabid dog with a bone. She refused to let go, was so used to spoutin' off she couldn't remember half of what she'd said (practically accused Mike Wallace of making stuff up) and kept scratchin' at fleas.

Bill O'reilly has a segment on his show where some chick comes on a reads the body language of different people...she would have had a field day with this!

I almost felt sorry for her...she was like a washed up, bitter old woman. Heck, even the prochoicers on here keep sayin' "Just because Margaret Sanger was a racist, doesn't mean PP is racist." They don't even want to associate themselves with her.

So what does she have to show for her years of destruction? A hollow old shell. And a following that has disowned her. Sad, really.

Posted by: mk at July 9, 2008 9:39 PM


"She was obviously very anti-Catholic (God whatever possessed her mother to marry an aetheist?)"

Does anybody know if Sally is related Margret Sanger?

Posted by: Jasper at July 9, 2008 5:42 PM

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I'm not. Being an avid genealogist, I have my family traced back a bit further than Sanger. I do have ancestors that were Catholic scholars. They joined the protest against RCC corruption. One ancestress was burned at the stake for refusing to renounce her protest. Her great grandfather had been captain of the Swiss Guard. I know why my ancestors were Protestant. Do you know anything about your ancestors? Like what their beliefs were and why?

Posted by: Sally at July 9, 2008 10:24 PM


Interesting history, Sally -

"I do have ancestors that were Catholic scholars."

How do you define Catholic Scholar? Where did they study?

They joined the protest against RCC corruption.

What corruption specifically? Where?

One ancestress was burned at the stake for refusing to renounce her protest. Her great grandfather had been captain of the Swiss Guard.

I'm very sorry to hear that. What were the circumstances?

Posted by: Janet at July 9, 2008 11:51 PM


Jasper:5;42: "She was obviously very anti-Catholic (God whatever possessed her mother to marry an aetheist?)"

Maybe (?) Sanger's mother got pregnant out of wedlock? That could explain Sanger's obsession with birth control. Whatever the reason, it was a sad marriage, indeed.

Posted by: Janet at July 9, 2008 11:57 PM


"I'm not. Being an avid genealogist, I have my family traced back a bit further than Sanger. I do have ancestors that were Catholic scholars."

wow, neat. I never had a genealogy done but I would like to, how much do they cost?

"They joined the protest against RCC corruption.
One ancestress was burned at the stake for refusing to renounce her protest."

I'd have to see some proof, that's too unbelievable. Did you get that from genealogy report?

"Her great grandfather had been captain of the Swiss Guard. I know why my ancestors were Protestant."

If he was Captain of the swiss guard, wasn't he Catholic?

"Do you know anything about your ancestors? Like what their beliefs were and why?"

I can't even figure out what why Mother believes. I think my dad was agnostic. But I was raised Catholic.

Posted by: Jasper at July 10, 2008 12:14 AM


Sally,
I had to do A LOT research when I was looking for my birth family. I probably know more about them than they do...lol.

It was so cool to go on the census and see my grandparents names...

Posted by: mk at July 10, 2008 8:13 AM


mk: 8:13: Sally, I had to do A LOT research when I was looking for my birth family. I probably know more about them than they do...lol.

It was so cool to go on the census and see my grandparents names...

mk: Are you adopted?? Didn't know that!

Posted by: Janet at July 10, 2008 1:37 PM


Jill, could you keep this one on your right hand column of archives? I would like to have it available in the future.

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Posted by: Doug at July 10, 2008 4:32 PM


lovethemboth: 2:09: Jill, could you keep this one on your right hand column of archives? I would like to have it available in the future.

Funny you said that. I was just thinking what a great video clip this is and how it would be good to see it posted every once in a while!

Posted by: Janet at July 10, 2008 4:55 PM


Did you notice the slogan by the picture of the doctor in the cigarette ad?

"The Doctor's Choice is America's Choice!"

Smoking = Choice
Abortion = Choice

How ironic. What will the killing "choice" of the future be?

Posted by: Janet at July 10, 2008 5:00 PM


Janet, I'd say we're already making it, due to our effects on our planet.

Posted by: Doug at July 10, 2008 5:25 PM