Planned Parenthood takes bucks to abort blacks

I said earlier today UCLA pro-lifers would be releasing a blockbuster issue of their student newspaper, The Advocate. Lila Rose just called to say its live, and here 'tis. Click cover, right, to enlarge.

Here's the story:

Over the summer, The Advocate... [had] an actor call [Planned Parenthood] clinics across the country and pose as a donor. The actor... communicated... a very racist agenda, the one Margaret Sanger, PP's founder, envisioned.

He... asked to donate money specifically for the abortions of African-American babies... to "lower the number of blacks in America." Despite his bigoted requests, no PP employee (or director of development, in one case) declined the tainted money.... In fact, some even went as far as agreeing with the antiblack agenda....

PP's 800 clinics receive more than $200 million of taxpayer money annually. It is unacceptable for a nonprofit to accept donations that target specific races....

The Advocate's investigation discovered this is official policy. The calls unearthed a PP program that poses a threat to minority communities. Many centers set up "women in need" or "justice" funds designating money specifically for minority abortions.

With more than 79% of clinics in minority neighborhoods, and more than 1400 black abortions daily, these programs are doing precisely what our actor asked them to do. PP is (intentionally or not) exterminating the black community.

The Advocate is calling on UCLA to sever ties with PP. Here's an excellent video on the sting.



Comments:

Freaking incredible video!
Groundbreaking. I always knew it about PP.
But is PP going to say that it was all a made up thing to slander them?

Posted by: Mario at February 26, 2008 4:27 PM


Ooo, snap. They're not going to like this!

Posted by: Nathan Will Sheets at February 26, 2008 4:28 PM


This actually reminds me of a bulletin board that the Portland State Students for Life put up that irritated a lot of campus liberals. Here's the link, only because I can't post the image on here:

http://nathansheets.com/image/blackhistoryabortion.jpg

Posted by: Nathan Will Sheets at February 26, 2008 4:29 PM


If Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton are not ALL OVER THIS ONE, I'm going to lose it.

Posted by: JLM at February 26, 2008 4:46 PM


That's so sick.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 26, 2008 4:59 PM


PCers?? PCers??
Hal,
You still going to donate to PP??

Posted by: Sandy at February 26, 2008 5:01 PM


Autum (sp?)was so excited to get a donation to abort black babies?

I wonder how excited she is now that this tape has been released?

Maybe the KKK will hire her as Director of Development for their organization. It would seem her resume, team spirit, and positive attitude would go a long way with this mob.

Posted by: Sandy at February 26, 2008 5:07 PM


Director of Development, lol!

Posted by: JLM at February 26, 2008 5:09 PM


What an awesome student magazine. These young people are courageous; their parents must be proud!

From page 8 of The Advocate winter Issue:

"By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And, by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion."

~ Mother Theresa

"When a mother can kill her baby, what is left of civilization to save?"

Posted by: Janet at February 26, 2008 5:16 PM


Detestable.

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at February 26, 2008 5:38 PM


Agreed.

Posted by: Carla at February 26, 2008 5:46 PM


Planned Parenthood is RACIST and HATES WOMEN. Wake up AMERICA! They want to eliminate imperfect people (disabled), those of different color (black, asian, hispanic) and they don't care about women. They sell sex to children (13 year olds are WAY too young to have sex) they scoff at abstinence and they want contraceptives to fail so they can make $ from abortions! They lie to women about fetal development, too. They tell women its just a blob of tissue. They also deny anything about psychological after effects (post traumatic for instance).

Please wake up america!

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at February 26, 2008 6:37 PM


Amen to that.

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at February 26, 2008 6:47 PM


Bobby, don't encourage them.

Posted by: Hal at February 26, 2008 6:54 PM


How telling that PP bestows the "Margaret Sanger Award" yearly to someone who personifies PP's vision of "reproductive health and rights". Who would want to be affiliated with the likes of the queen of eugenics? MLK was a recipient in 1966 - I'm sure he was unaware of Margaret's nazi-like philosophies. www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/ppfa-margaret-sanger-award-winners.htm

Posted by: Anon2008 at February 26, 2008 6:56 PM


Let me give you a little clue about fundraising;

If the Grand Dragon of the KKK approaches you and says "I'll give you a million bucks for your crisis pregnancy center as long as you don't help
ni***rs," smile, accept the cash, and do what you can to help ALL the young women in your community.

You guys remind me of the classic scene in "Gone With The Wind" when the fine society ladies refused to take money from the local whorehouse madame to buy desperately needed medical supplies.

Any of you who have set up a 503 in order to champion a noble cause knows full well that we are all whores when the situation demands it.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 7:07 PM


Anon2008,

I remember when the president of PP was a black woman. I remember her walking hand in hand with Jesse Jackson in a PC demonstration. Jesse Jackson, back when he was actually a man of conviction, a true leader, vehemently opposed abortion and condemned it as black genocide. He quickly "rethought" his position and turned tail when it suited his political ambitions and oversized ego.

I remember the the founder and leader of a black pro-life organization, her name is Alice and she always wears a large hat, recalling how she first became involved in the pro-life movement. She said she had just listened to the most inspiring pro-life speaker. She approached him afterward and said "Rev. Jackson, what can I do to help?"

Posted by: Mary at February 26, 2008 7:08 PM


FF,

Spare me. The CPC I worked with helped girls and women of every race and ethnicity and we did it with the donations of the pro-life community who never specified that only women of a certain race or ethnicity could be assisted. We would have refused any assistance from them if they had. FF, you must be have Margaret Sanger on your mind, who spoke to the women's auxillary of the KKK. Isn't it nice the ladies could take a day off from burning crosses and terrorizing black citizens to attend?

As for "Gone With The Wind", its likely the husbands of some of these very proper ladies, who wouldn't take the madam's money, had made a few, uh, donations to the lady's cathouse.

Posted by: Mary at February 26, 2008 7:21 PM


Hal,

Bro I think I remember just recently you mentioning how horrible racism is. Your children are interracial, right? I mean this is really sick. Even if one doesn't believe that abortion is murder, the fact is that PP had no problem with taking money that was given with the INTENTION of eliminating blacks. To me it just seems that even if one supports abortion, the fact that this organization seems to have no problem with and even agree with eliminating blacks is an abomination. God love you, friend.

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at February 26, 2008 7:26 PM


the fact is that PP had no problem with taking money that was given with the INTENTION of eliminating blacks.
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Gee, Bambino, I know of an organization that has spent TWO BILLION DOLLARS to cover the settlements against their institutionalized child molestation.
Anyone who belongs to or donates money to an organization like that must condone child molestation.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 7:36 PM


You guys remind me of the classic scene in "Gone With The Wind" when the fine society ladies refused to take money from the local whorehouse madame to buy desperately needed medical supplies.

desperately needed medical supplies? abortion?

Exactly who is going to die if these donations aren't accepted?

And who is going to die if they are?

Posted by: mk at February 26, 2008 7:37 PM


Hal,

Why can't you just say, "While I'm still for the right of a woman to have an abortion, I am horrified that Planned Parenthood would do this. Perhaps it's time for someone else to offer what they do..."

Why is it so hard to admit that this is wrong?

If this was the Catholic Church I'd be the first to say it was horrifying! It wouldn't matter that it was my beloved church...it would be WRONG!

Posted by: mk at February 26, 2008 7:42 PM


Doug,

Did his wake up your conscience? Or are we going to hear how it was this man's desire to have less black people and it was PP's desire to get a donation, and it will be the black womans desire to kill her child, so where's the problem??? It's all good!

Posted by: mk at February 26, 2008 7:44 PM


Gee, Bambino, I know of an organization that has spent TWO BILLION DOLLARS to cover the settlements against their institutionalized child molestation.
Anyone who belongs to or donates money to an organization like that must condone child molestation.

Laura,
coincidentally, I was posting at the same time that you were...

For the last time...what the church did SUCKED!!!!! And the Church Herself DID NOT CONDONE THE BEHAVIOR OF THE PRIESTS!!!!

The cover up was also wrong, but it was done to preserve their name, NOT because they condoned what the priests had done. The cover up was WRONG too.

See how this works?

Even tho I am Catholic and love my church I recognize, acknowledge and admit that what happened was WRONG?!?!?

You should try it. It keeps you honest.

Posted by: mk at February 26, 2008 7:47 PM


Of course anyone who is hard-core "pro-choice" could never admit that targeting minorities for abortion is evil, a wrong. Then, by extrapolation, they'd have to admit that targeting any random soul for abortion is evil.

Posted by: Anon2008 at February 26, 2008 8:15 PM


Anon2008,

You've got a point. Wouldn't want to look to closely. Might have to admit the truth.

Posted by: mk at February 26, 2008 8:17 PM


Once again, PP gets busted with their own people admitting what they vehemently deny.

Posted by: Mike at February 26, 2008 8:49 PM



How telling that PP bestows the "Margaret Sanger Award" yearly to someone who personifies PP's vision of "reproductive health and rights". Who would want to be affiliated with the likes of the queen of eugenics? MLK was a recipient in 1966 - I'm sure he was unaware of Margaret's nazi-like philosophies. www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/ppfa-margaret-sanger-award-winners.htm

Posted by: Anon2008 at February 26, 2008 6:56 PM

Margaret Sanger Award?
I think Autumn will be a shoe-in for 2008.

Posted by: Sandy at February 26, 2008 8:49 PM


Let me give you a little clue about fundraising;

If the Grand Dragon of the KKK approaches you and says "I'll give you a million bucks for your crisis pregnancy center as long as you don't help
ni***rs," smile, accept the cash, and do what you can to help ALL the young women in your community.
Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 7:07 PM

I guess that says alot about you FF. No surprising though. We have now learned what a racist you are.

Posted by: Sandy at February 26, 2008 9:05 PM


Hal,
You never answered my question. Are you still going to donate money to PP? Are you still wonderfully happy that the Klan Parenthood is still up and running in Aurora??

Posted by: Sandy at February 26, 2008 9:06 PM


In the United States 2000 - 2006 Census report it shows that 12.8% of the population is black.
According to the 2004 CDC report (Which does not represent all states statistics) the black population had 35.3% of all abortions.

*States where majority of abortions are from the black population

1. *Alabama
- 11,370 abortions
- 5,858 (51.5%) Abortions from Black population
- 26.3% black population for the state (this means that 26.3% of the population had 51.5% of the abortions.)

2. Alaska
- 1,937 abortions
- 146 (7.5%) abortions from black population
- 3.7% Black Population for state

3. Arizona
- 12,690 abortions
- This information not provided by state

4. Arkansas
- 4,644 abortions
- 1,630 (35.1%) black abortions
- 15.7% black population

5. California
- did not report any abortion statistics to the government

6. Colorado
- 11,415 abortions
- 706 (6.2%) black abortions
- 4.1% black populations

7. Connecticut
- 12,189 abortions
- This information not reported by state

8. Delaware
- 3,263 abortions
- 1,338 (41%) black abortions
- 20.9% black population

9. Florida
- 91,710 abortions
- This information not provided by state

10. *Georgia
- 32,513 abortions
- 17,809 (54.8%)black abortions
- 29.9% black population

11. Hawaii
- 3,467 abortions
- 86 (2.5%) black abortions
- 2.5% black population

12. Idaho
- 963 abortions
- 17 (1.8) black abortions
- 0.7% black population

13. Illinois
- 43,537 abortions
- this information not provided by state

14. Indiana
- 10,514 abortions
- 2,945 (28%) black abortions
- 8.9% black population

15. Iowa
- 6,022 abortions
- 533 (8.9%) black abortions
- 2.5% black population

16. Kansas
- 11,357 abortions
- 2,630 (23.2%) black abortions
- 6% black population

17. Kentucky
- 3,557 abortions
- 734 (20.6%) black abortions
- 7.5% black population

18. *Louisiana
- 11,224 abortions
- 5,709 (50.9%) black abortions
- 31.7% black population

19. Maine
- 2,593
- 63 (2.4%)
- 0.8%

20. *Maryland
- 8,814
- 5,718 (64.9%)
- 29.5%

21. Massachusetts
- 24,366
- 4,675 (19.2%)
- 6.9%

22. Michigan
- 26,269
- 9,780 (37.2%)
- 14.3%

23. Minnesota
- 13,791
- 3,012 (21.8%)
- 4.5%

24. *Mississippi
- 3,500
- 2,650 (75.7%)
- 37.1%

25. Missouri
- 8,072
- 3,073 (38.1%)
- 11.5%

26. Montana
- 2,256
- 12 (0.5%)
- 10.5%

27. Nebraska
- 3,584
- This information not provided by state

28. Nevada
- 9,856
- this information not provided by state

29. New Hampshire
- did not report any abortion statistics to the government

30. * New Jersey
- 32,642
- 14,401 (44.1%)
- 14.5%

31. New Mexico
- 6,070
- this information not provided by state

32. *New York (City)
- 121,218 (91,673 city total)
- 41,674 (45.5%) - city only, state did not report
- 26.6% - city total

33. *North Carolina
- 33,954
- 14,850 (43.7%)
- 21.7%

34. North Dakota
- 1,357
- 35 (2.6%)
- 0.8%

35. Ohio
- 34,242
- 12,028 (35.1%)
- 12%

36. Oklahoma
-6,712
- 1,173 (17.5%)
- 7.8%

37. Oregon
- 11,443
-625 (5.5%)
- 1.9%

38. Pennsylvania
- 36,030
- 13,817 (38.3%)
- 10.7%

39. Rhode Island
- 5,587
- 895 (16%)
- 6.3%

40. South Carolina
- 6,565
- 2,506 (38.2%)
- 29%

41. South Dakota
- 814
- this information not provided by state

42. Tennessee
- 16,400
- 7,208 (44%)
- 16.9%

43. Texas
- 74,801
- 16,736 (22.4%)
- 11.9%

44. Utah
- 3,665
- this information not provided by state

45. Vermont
- 1,725
- 29 (1.7%)
- 0.7%

46. Virginia
- 26,117
- 10,893 (41.7%)
- 19.9%

47. Washington
- 24,664
- this information not provided by the state

48. West Virginia
- Did not report any abortion statistics to the government

49. Wisconsin
- 9,719
- 2,390 (24.6%)
- 6%

50. Wyoming
- 12
- this information not provided by state

*Dist. Columbia
- 2,401
- 1,219 (50.8%)
- 56.5%

I think the numbers speak for themselves. How can a race survive when the number of abortions outways the number of people. The population numbers include men by the way - not just women.

Posted by: valerie at February 26, 2008 9:19 PM


I agree with Sandy's brilliant suggestion that Autumn should win the MS Award: for she perfectly fulfilled her duties of both fundraising and truthfully representing PP. Now my question is which pro-choicer amongst you would be PROUD to be the recipient of the Margaret Sanger award?

Posted by: Anon2008 at February 26, 2008 9:26 PM


Valerie - here are the latest numbers on birthrate by race:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/prelimbirths05_tables.pdf#1

African Americans are the second fastest-growing demographic in the US.
Where is this genocide?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 9:41 PM


I guess that says alot about you FF. No surprising though. We have now learned what a racist you are.

Posted by: Sandy at February 26, 2008 9:05 PM
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Telling someone to take the money for the CPC and help all of the young women in the community is racist? Really?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 9:45 PM


Telling someone to take the money for the CPC and help all of the young women in the community is racist? Really?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 9:45 PM_________________________________

Well I guess you could have the same racist goal by either 1)submission if you gave money to PP expressly for black babies to be "terminated" or
2) By omission if you gave money to a CPC and said "use this only to save white babies - I don't want it used to save black babies." Don't you agree.

Posted by: Anon2008 at February 26, 2008 9:58 PM


The roots of abortion are satanic in nature. Remember the shedding of innocent blood requires that it be answered.

We should not be surprised that Planned Parenthood's hidden agenda is to kill off the black population for it was it's founder's, Margaret Sanger, vision.

Black people should be angry, very, very angry.

If this ever gets out, the resulting riots will make the '60's riots look like childplay. And so should they be. Planned Parenthood has essentially declared war on black America and they should deliver an appropriate response.

And FF:

A exploding black birth rate does not justify abortion. How could anyone use such an argument? Do you have a soul?

Posted by: HisMan at February 26, 2008 10:21 PM


FF:

You are absolutely wrong about 501c3's (not 503's).

I sit on the board of a ministry. We do not take funds from seedy characters or organizations. For example we are doing a golf tournament.....no beer company sponsors need apply, etc., etc.

My Pastor will not take donatins from people who won teh lottery. Most reputable charitable organizations are like this.

Your cynicism is evident.

Posted by: HisMan at February 26, 2008 10:26 PM


"A exploding black birth rate does not justify abortion. How could anyone use such an argument? Do you have a soul?"

She didn't say it "justified" abortion. She said there was no genocide of African American babies. There are plenty of babies.

And, speaking of racists, how strange you thought that if the African American community did become outraged over abortion there would be "riots." The black people I know are able to express their political and moral views quite effectively without rioting.

Posted by: Hal at February 26, 2008 10:30 PM


Good try Hal. You pro-aborts always try to resort to political correctness sweetery. What a fake you are.

One black baby being aborted is too many and I think most black people agree. Are you trying to tell me that the black status quo supports the wholesale extermination of their race? Now that's absolute racism from a person who was able to justfy in his heart the sacrifice of his own two children to the altar of convenience. Buddy you are one screwed up person.

And when blacks do realize what's going on there will be a reckoning, simpy stated; and it will make the '60's riots look like child play.

Posted by: HisMan at February 26, 2008 10:40 PM


I've never corresponded with anyone more alien to me than you, Hisman. I try to remember that there are more ways we are alike than different, but with you I just don't see it. I suppose you feel the same about me.

No one is talking about "wholesale extermination of their race." We are talking about letting black (and white, and native) women decide for themselves whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. I can undertand an argument that it is "wrong" because it's taking a human life, but I cannot even listen to your "extermination" tripe with a straight face.

And, thanks for making another racist comment:

"And when blacks do realize what's going on there will be a reckoning"

What a condescending assumption I think "blacks" do realize "what's going on." It's no secret, and they're not stupid. Some are even almost as smart as you.

Posted by: Hal at February 26, 2008 10:51 PM


Great job Jill. I have asked both Democratic Party Candidates what they would do as President to end this genocide by Planned Parenthood against black Americans?
Will I get answers, no, but some student intern read my message before deleting it. All I can do.
Joseph

Posted by: Joseph at February 26, 2008 10:55 PM



"Hal,
You never answered my question. Are you still going to donate money to PP? Are you still wonderfully happy that the Klan Parenthood is still up and running in Aurora?? "

All my donations right now are going two places, 1)OBAMA, oh yeah, and 2) to a non-Profit educational institution who's Board I sit on.

I am happy that Planned Parenthood has a new clinic in Aurora. I will donate in the future, probably to the local chapter where I live.

Posted by: Hal at February 26, 2008 10:58 PM


Hal:

Someday you will be made aware either on your own or forcefully of the absolute evil of your position. God is not mocked and the shedding of innocent blood as was done during slavery and resulted in the Civil War, the abortion of black babies as a greater percentage of their polulation will result in similar bloodshed. I am not calling for it just stating the inevitable. It is going to happen, for it is required by a Holy God and you my friend are on the wrong side of the fence and knowingly or unknowingly put your whole family at risk.

Either blacks in general condone the extermination of their own race visa vi the vision of Margaret Sanger or they simply condone it because they still keep voting in pro-aborts.

I would hazard to say that they haven't realized it yet as a whole. And, I will say it again. When the light gones on, there will be a great reckoning.

Yes Hal you are an alien to me because I have the mind of Christ and you are as alien to Christ as they come. For what fellowship has darkness with light?

Jill:

We must make the black community more aware of the genocidal plan of Planned Parenthood of blacks. The video proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. We need to do whatever it takes to spread the word.

Posted by: HisMan at February 26, 2008 11:08 PM


okay, serious question now. You state "God is not mocked." You don't say "God should not be mocked" or "God is not mocked without consequences." You always say "God is not mocked." But, of course, he is. I (and others) mock your God all the time.

What is the origin of this phrase (Bible?) and what is the meaning you're trying to convey?

Posted by: Hal at February 26, 2008 11:18 PM


The blatant racism is bad enough, but for Autumn to be stupid enough to even say this on the phone. Come on lady, ever hear of tape recorders and set ups? Have you forgotten about the clinics that were supposedly called by a minor and her adult boyfriend seeking an abortion?
It sounds like Autumn had too much trouble containing her enthusiasm to think of much else.

Posted by: Mary at February 26, 2008 11:28 PM


Psalm 74:18
Remember how the enemy has mocked you, O LORD, how foolish people have reviled your name.

Psalm 89:50
Remember, Lord, how your servant has been mocked, how I bear in my heart the taunts of all the nations,

2 Chronicles 36:16
But they mocked God's messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the LORD was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.

And here it is Hal:

Galatians 6:7-8
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Hal:

You think you are getting away with something when by your own admission you mock God and that in front of the impressionable children on this site. Proverbs 14:8 says: "The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of fools is deception."

You think there will be no reckoning for the slaughter of your two innocent children. In fact Hal, your actions are those of a egotistical monster who has no regard for the utmost good of anyone else. You are a living defintion of hatred.

Proverbs 1:22 states this about those who mock God, "How long will you simple ones love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?" The Hebrew word rendered simple in Proverbs generally denotes one without moral direction and inclined to evil.

The fact is, you are in a season of grace because He is a God of infinite grace that he allows your foolishness for a time for it is His desire that none perish. However, seasons change and what remedy is there for a fool?

In due time Hal, and I hope you see the light before then, you will understand that God cannot be mocked. Look at it this way Hal. An all powerful and almighty God with the power of the universe in His pinky will someday help you understand that, "God is not mocked", for all will bow and confess that Jesus Christ si Lord.

As the leader of your family you are sowing seeds of your own and your family's destruction when your job is to leave them and their children a godly legacy. If you had any courage at all you would admit your folly to a Holy God and ask for His forgiveness and start on the path to righteousness.

Posted by: HisMan at February 27, 2008 12:05 AM


FF:

You are absolutely wrong about 501c3's (not 503's).

I sit on the board of a ministry. We do not take funds from seedy characters or organizations. For example we are doing a golf tournament.....no beer company sponsors need apply, etc., etc.

My Pastor will not take donatins from people who won teh lottery. Most reputable charitable organizations are like this.

Your cynicism is evident.

Posted by: HisMan at February 26, 2008 10:26 PM
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No, hon-
Our organization is a 503, and we've served beer to donors at our barbeque.
If Osama Bin Laden offered us a donation I'd take it. My job is to find cash to help these critters, not to bathe in tight-a**ed self-righteousness.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 3:54 AM


OooooOooOOOOoooo, and actor called someone and got them to say something stupid. Wasn't this show on Comedy Central? It was funnier when it was the Jerky Boys.

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 7:12 AM


FF -

Thanks for the laugh! oh - and thanks for proving my point. I just love it when the PC'ers don't actually look at what they link to.

1. You think you've proven your point by comparing only 2 years is hysterical. In order to prove or disprove the decline of a race decades are looked at.

2. If you compare from 1960 to today you will see the genocide.

3. 1960 black birth rate is 38.9
1965 black birth rate is 32.9
1970 black birth rate is 26.5
1975 black birth rate is 19.5
1980 black birth rate is 19.7

I think you get the point here.....today the black birth rate is 15.7.

4. This is called the decline of a race.

5. Now when we add the rate of black abortion which is 28 you got your genocide.

Genocide anyone? The birth rate is lower than the abortion rate for blacks.

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss5609.pdf

www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/nat84_1.pdf

I have been looking for this information for weeks. Thanks to FF I was able to put it all together.

Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 7:58 AM


Hieronymous,

No one "got" her to say anything. Come on, she could hardly contain her enthusiasm. She seemed to take very little if any offense at such blatantly racist remarks. Maybe if she had contained it she would have thought more clearly and considered the possibility of a setup. Over the years PP has always seemed just a little too anxious to get poor and/or minority women on the abortion tables. I have also long suspected there was more than just a hint of racism and/or elitism in all this "concern" for the poor and minorities.

Also, imagine the howls of outrage if this had been a volunteer at a crisis pregnancy center or the director of a right to life office. The MSM and PC leadership would have a field day.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 8:06 AM


FF: If you accepted cash from Bin Laden, you would be in jail. Pretty sure accepting money from wanted terrorists is a crime. Organizations do have to be careful about who their donors are.

Posted by: Carrie at February 27, 2008 8:08 AM


FF -

I forgot -

Even politians won't take money from scum to expand their agenda.

What does that say about you?

Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 8:10 AM


I think PP will spin this one of two ways. They will say that we are misinterpreting the employees' reactions or they will say that these are "rogue" employees who are not indicative of the majority of PP employees. It will be interesting to see what they say.

Posted by: Carrie at February 27, 2008 8:13 AM


Carrie,

It will also be interesting to see if there's any apology issued and/or Autumn is asked to step down from her position.
As I said in my 8:06am post, just imagine the reaction had this been a CPC volunteer or a RTL office director.

Carrie, correct me if I'm wrong but did you leave the blog for a while? I'm on here sporadically at times so I may have you confused with someone else. That happens often in my old age.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 8:22 AM


WOW Val,

Doug, Laura,

Are you paying attention?

Black births are DOWN! Just like we've been saying.

Margaret Sangers' legacy lives on!!!!!

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 8:27 AM


I am the same Carrie. I decided to return. I'm baaaaaack. HeHe. I couldn't stay away. It is good to take a break sometimes. How is your daughter Mary?

Posted by: Carrie at February 27, 2008 8:37 AM


Carrie,

And I for one am glad to see you. Peace.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 8:43 AM


Thanks MK.

Posted by: Carrie at February 27, 2008 8:47 AM


Carrie,

Welcome back. I was certain it was you but wanted to be, well, certain. This blog is addicting, as my expanding backside will verify. Things unfortunately remain unchanged with my daughter. This July it will be 4 years since I've seen or heard from her. Thank you for your concern.
How is your son doing? I hope all is well. Is he still involved in Special Olympics? I have an SO event this Saturday. The turnout, dedication, and enthusiasm by parents, athletes, and volunteers is always great.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 8:51 AM


Mary: I am sorry to hear that things aren't going better with your daughter. My son is doing ok. He is going through a bit of a rough patch. I am trying to remain positive and take things one day at a time. He doesn't do Special Olympics at this time. Teenagers have their own ideas...

Posted by: Carrie at February 27, 2008 8:58 AM


Valerie, your 7:58 post. WOW.
That is really telling.

Posted by: Bethany at February 27, 2008 9:17 AM


I am happy that Planned Parenthood has a new clinic in Aurora. I will donate in the future, probably to the local chapter where I live.


Posted by: Hal at February 26, 2008 10:58 PM

How many glasses of PP kool-aid have you had? I would think of alllllll of the PCers on this site at least you would show some outrage. How can you be so apathetic to this Hal?

I am literally blown away. As Bobby pointed out, you were just confirming that your own daughters experience racism.

PLers have understood that PCers on the site support abortion for many reasons we don't understand. Obviously we disagree on many things that bring us to our own beliefs about abortion; bodily autonomy, legal rights, when does life begin etc.....

But the one thing you would think we could all agree on is that PP is a racist organization who has now been caught with actual proof.

You are all so caught up in the PP cult, you can not even see the blatant racism that exists within this organization. Were is the affirmative action for these unborn babies?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 9:25 AM


And, thanks for making another racist comment:

"And when blacks do realize what's going on there will be a reckoning"

What a condescending assumption I think "blacks" do realize "what's going on." It's no secret, and they're not stupid. Some are even almost as smart as you.

Posted by: Hal at February 26, 2008 10:51 PM

So you are upset by Hisman's comment that you interpret as a racist remark, but you will still donate to an organziation that seeks donations from blatantly racist callers.

You are such a hypocrite Hal!!!!!!!

Are you actually saying that blacks know what PP is doing and they support it? I would imagine that the majority people black, white, hispanic, or other have no idea that this is going on.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 9:31 AM


Sandy, There are racial problems in all organizations, including this lovely little blog.

Pointing out Hisman's racism doesn't make me a hypocrite. (I never said I was "upset" by it) I'm confident Planned Parenthood will educate it's people better in light of this exposure, and get rid of those that need to go, and have some good discussions on why this happened and what it means.

Most of us don't like bigots. I would have hung up the phone. These workers were probably trained to be nice to everyone, and never imagined such hateful calls could occur.

If this sting was done on a CPC, you guys would have fretted a bit, but never questioned the "good work" these clinics provide. Likewise, we don't want to get rid of Planned Parenthood because of some disturbing phone calls.

Posted by: Hal at February 27, 2008 9:52 AM


Hal,

As I said, if this "sting" had occured in a CPC or RTL office there were have been howls of outrage, and well there should be.
I'll believe this is an isolated and unacceptable incident when an apology is issued and Autumn is asked to step down.
I would demand no less from a CPC or RTL office were a similar incident to occur.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 9:59 AM


Carrie, 8:58am

I'm sorry to hear your son is going through some difficult times. Not unusual for the teen years. You can only take them a day at a time because things can change radically! Sometimes even the adult years have plenty of headaches, as I'm learning. My thoughts and best wishes are with you and your son.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 10:04 AM


Mary, I agree an apology (or some statement acknowledging the problem) and Autumn should be asked to leave.

Let's not forget, however, women of all colors have a right to abortion and good medical care.

Posted by: Hal at February 27, 2008 10:10 AM


Let's not forget that the abortion rates for black women are also linked to larger societal problems, like poverty and racism.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 27, 2008 10:13 AM


I agree, Mary. If this happened anywhere else there would be (rightly) a public outcry.

Interesting to what lengths people will go to ignore problems like this, in the name of "choice."

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 27, 2008 10:16 AM


Hal,

I have no problem with women of all races and ethnicities getting good medical care. That's not the issue here.
The issue is blatant racism from a woman who's paycheck comes from the tax dollars of the very people she would happily and helpfully diminish in number.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 10:18 AM


PIP:"Let's not forget that the abortion rates for black women are also linked to larger societal problems, like poverty and racism."

baloney. they're linked to pre-martial sex and irresponsibilty

Posted by: jasper at February 27, 2008 10:36 AM


I'm confident Planned Parenthood will educate it's people better in light of this exposure, and get rid of those that need to go, and have some good discussions on why this happened and what it means.
Posted by: Hal at February 27, 2008 9:52 AM

Sorry Hal, but that's a load of crap. When Lila Rose brought forth the fact that they were covering up satutory rape. What did they do? Not address the problem. They threatened to sue Lila and had all the tapes pulled.
Past behavior predicts future behavior.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 10:44 AM


jasper,

you are so insensitive sometimes. Refusing to see what is behind abortion's prevalence in the first place. Jesus.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 27, 2008 10:50 AM


Telling someone to take the money for the CPC and help all of the young women in the community is racist? Really?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 9:45 PM

When you tell them to take the money from the KKK you are clearly supporting racism by alligning your self with a racist organization.
Not hard to figure out.

And yes, you have shown your racist colors by supporting the fact that PP takes money ear-marked to aid in wiping out the black community.
You are a racist.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 10:50 AM


Sandy, 10:50am

I would think a CPC accepting money from the KKK with the understanding that minority women be steered toward abortion or given only limited assistance is blatantly racist and unacceptable. It would be no less so if the money was in fact used to help all the women who came to the CPC.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2008 11:10 AM


Sandy,

The above 11:10am post is mine. I punched the "post" without putting my name in. Mary

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 11:12 AM


Black births are DOWN! Just like we've been saying.

Margaret Sangers' legacy lives on!!!!!

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 8:27 AM
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The birth rate across the board is down, but African Americans and Hispanics are still outpacing White and Asian Americans by a wide margin.
Having a high abortion rate doesn't make a whit of difference if you're having WAY more pregnancies. The birth rate for African Americans is still greater than that of White America. There is no genocide.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 11:16 AM



Any of you who have set up a 503 in order to champion a noble cause knows full well that we are all whores when the situation demands it.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 26, 2008 7:07 PM

Plenty of people have died rather than compromise their integrity. Not all are whores.

Posted by: hippie at February 27, 2008 11:17 AM



The birth rate across the board is down, but African Americans and Hispanics are still outpacing White and Asian Americans by a wide margin.
Having a high abortion rate doesn't make a whit of difference if you're having WAY more pregnancies. The birth rate for African Americans is still greater than that of White America. There is no genocide.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 11:16 AM

I would like to point out that the growth in the African American community is from immigration and those immigrants have a higher birthrate than the established African American community.

Posted by: hippie at February 27, 2008 11:19 AM


"My Pastor will not take donatins from people who won teh lottery. Most reputable charitable organizations are like this."

So if a person wins the lottery they should keep it all for themselves and spend it only on things that make them happy? Why don't they except money from the lottery? Are they too good for it? I don't think Jesus thought anyone wasn't good enough to help the needy. Remember what he said about the tax collector. He invited him to his table.

Posted by: Jess at February 27, 2008 11:30 AM


... Ok no more abortions for black women. African Americans obviously can't think for themselves so let's "help" them be refusing them abortions. That's like when the Klan tried to make it as hard as possible for African Americans to go north because it was for their own good. Why don't you stop treating African Americans like mindless animals and let them choose what's best for themselves. Trust me they'll be fine.

Posted by: Jess at February 27, 2008 11:40 AM


When you tell them to take the money from the KKK you are clearly supporting racism by alligning your self with a racist organization.
Not hard to figure out.
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We received a donation from a local Baptist organization. I guess that makes me a Fundamentalist Christian.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 11:44 AM


... Ok no more abortions for black women. African Americans obviously can't think for themselves so let's "help" them be refusing them abortions. That's like when the Klan tried to make it as hard as possible for African Americans to go north because it was for their own good. Why don't you stop treating African Americans like mindless animals and let them choose what's best for themselves. Trust me they'll be fine.

Posted by: Jess at February 27, 2008 11:40 AM
Jess,
You are not getting the point here. The calls made to PP were asking that their donations specifically be used to abort black babies to lessen the competition due to affirmative action.
Are you ok with this??

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 11:46 AM


No, hon-
Our organization is a 503, and we've served beer to donors at our barbeque.
If Osama Bin Laden offered us a donation I'd take it. My job is to find cash to help these critters, not to bathe in tight-a**ed self-righteousness.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 3:54 AM


Self-righteousness? Please. Do you ever read your own posts? You don't even make any sense.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 11:49 AM


Please wake up america!

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at February 26, 2008 6:37 PM
***************
This kind of ranting irrational hysteria is another reason why its so hard to take antichoicers seriously.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 12:15 PM


According to the 2004 CDC report (Which does not represent all states statistics) the black population had 35.3% of all abortions.
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No one is forcing these women to abort. They are CHOOSING to do so. Has it ever occurred to anyone that POVERTY may be the real probelm here? That helping these women get a decent education, get some kind of training, and get good jobs before they start their families might not be a good idea and would cut down on the number of abortions performed? Or are you saying women should be encouraged to have children they cant offer food shelter and clothing?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 12:18 PM


The roots of abortion are satanic in nature. Remember the shedding of innocent blood requires that it be answered.

***********
HisMan youre a demented delusional idiot.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 12:22 PM


TR,

Why does one exclude the other? Just because we recognize that the black community is being targeted doesn't mean we think they, or anyone, should remain poor and uneducated.

But tell me, what exactly in the year 2008 and is keeping them from getting good jobs or an education?

There are grants, federal funding, welfare, affirmative action...all the opportunities are there. But they must be utilized to be useful.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 12:23 PM


do we have proof this was an actual conversation and not a fabrication? but even if it did happen you are dealing with only one person - thats all. Pretending that one person can represent 'all' of any organization is ridiculous. Or do you want to admit that one bomber, one murderer, represents all antichoicers?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 12:25 PM


Please wake up america!

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at February 26, 2008 6:37 PM
***************
This kind of ranting irrational hysteria is another reason why its so hard to take antichoicers seriously.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 12:15 PM

TR,

She was polite and said please. You on the other hand are constantly ranting with irrational hyteria by calling people stupid and idiots.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:25 PM


No one is forcing these women to abort. They are CHOOSING to do so. Has it ever occurred to anyone that POVERTY may be the real probelm here? That helping these women get a decent education, get some kind of training, and get good jobs before they start their families might not be a good idea and would cut down on the number of abortions performed? Or are you saying women should be encouraged to have children they cant offer food shelter and clothing?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 12:18 PM

TR,
You too refuse to see the issue here. PP is accepting money ear-marked to abort blacks in the name of racism. What part of the story did you not understand? I think your 10 gallon hat is pulled too far down over your eyes making it difficult for you to see clearly.

What if a major university was given a large donation for their athletic department by someone did so with the stipulation that no money would be used to support, train, or educate black people through scholarship programs. Would you consider that racist?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:32 PM


TR,

do we have proof this was an actual conversation and not a fabrication? but even if it did happen you are dealing with only one person - thats all. Pretending that one person can represent 'all' of any organization is ridiculous. Or do you want to admit that one bomber, one murderer, represents all antichoicers?

Did you even watch the video?

There were MANY, MANY, MANY PP personnel that accepted the donations....

And why would they make this up???????? Do you think they are amateurs. What that poor girl went through after exposing their lack of reporting statutory rapes! Think woman! What would be gained by lying.

The point is, there is NO NEED TO LIE.

Yesterday reality accused Jasper of putting up a picture of a stillborn and claiming it was an aborted child. WHY???? Why would he need to do that?

The REALITY, reality, is that this is what abortion looks like. period. No need to fake photos. What the heck do you think it looks like?

There is NO NEED to fabricate. The truth is horrifying enough.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 12:34 PM


do we have proof this was an actual conversation and not a fabrication? but even if it did happen you are dealing with only one person - thats all. Pretending that one person can represent 'all' of any organization is ridiculous. Or do you want to admit that one bomber, one murderer, represents all antichoicers?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 12:25 PM

TR,
Please. Autumn Kelsey identified herself and her position as Director of Develpment at PP. (soon to be the recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award for 2008) She wasn't the only one who accepted the dough. There were several other examples of employees more than willing to take the money.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:37 PM


Hieronymous,

No one "got" her to say anything. Come on, she could hardly contain her enthusiasm. She seemed to take very little if any offense at such blatantly racist remarks. Maybe if she had contained it she would have thought more clearly and considered the possibility of a setup. Over the years PP has always seemed just a little too anxious to get poor and/or minority women on the abortion tables. I have also long suspected there was more than just a hint of racism and/or elitism in all this "concern" for the poor and minorities.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 8:06 AM


How many calls do you think these pranksters made? I'm guessing....a whole heck of a lot. And out of all the calls they made, they only got one that they could make any sort of hay out of. Some low-level phone person who has nothing to do with the running of the organization said something stupid. So the heck what?

Sure, Autumn is an idiot and should be fired. But to pretend that the racist views of someone whose only job is to answer phones reflects the larger views of the entire PP organization is just beyond ridiculous.

This is a non-story.

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 12:38 PM


TR,
Please. Autumn Kelsey identified herself and her position as Director of Develpment at PP. (soon to be the recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award for 2008) She wasn't the only one who accepted the dough. There were several other examples of employees more than willing to take the money.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:37 PM

More evidence that the call was probably faked. Here's a partial list of past Margaret Sanger Award recipients. Somehow, I don't see "Autumn Kelsey, random phone-answerer" as coming up on that list:

1966
The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
General William H. Draper
Carl G. Hartman, M.D.
President Lyndon Baines Johnson

1967
John D. Rockefeller III

1968
The Honorable Ernest Gruening

1969
Lord Caradon

1970
The Honorable Joseph D. Tydings

1971
Louis M. Hellman, M.D.

1972
Alan F. Guttmacher, M.D.

1973
Sarah Lewit
Christopher Tietze, M.D.

1974
Harriet F. Pilpel, Esq.

1975
Cass Canfield

1976
John Rock, M.D.

1977
Bernard Berelson

1978
Julia Henderson
Frederick S. Jaffe
Edris Rice Wray, M.D.

1979
Alfred E. Moran
Senator Robert Packwood

1980
Mary S. Calderone, M.D.
Sarah Weddington, Esq.

1981
Governor William G. Milliken

1982
Madame Jihan Sadat

1983
Katharine Hepburn

1984
Bishop Paul Moore

1985
Guadalupe de la Vega
Mechai Viravaidya

1986
Jeannie I. Rosoff

1987
Phil Donahue

1988
Ann Landers
Abigail Van Buren

1989
Henry Morgentaler, M.D.

1990
Mufaweza Khan

1991
The Honorable Bella Abzug

1992
Faye Wattleton

1993
Richard Steele
Audrey Steele Burnand
Barbara Steele Williams

1994
Fred Sai, M.D.

1995
Jane Hodgson, M.D.

1996
Justice Harry A. Blackmun

1997
Louise Tyrer, M.D.
Robin Chandler Duke

1998
The Reverend Howard Moody

2000
Nafis Sadik, M.D.

2001
Kathleen Turner

2003
Jane Fonda

2004
Ted Turner
Forum for Women, Law, and Development of Nepal
K-MET of Kenya

2005
Gloria Feldt

2006
Karen Pearl
Allan Rosenfield, M.D.

2007
Dolores Huerta

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 12:46 PM


TR -

"do we have proof this was an actual conversation and not a fabrication?"

It's called phone records - you ever hear of them? All documentation is in place. Do you really think the Advocate would make untrue claims against PP if they didn't have documentation? PP has money coming out of their gluteus maximus.

Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 12:49 PM


Yesterday reality accused Jasper of putting up a picture of a stillborn and claiming it was an aborted child. WHY???? Why would he need to do that?

The REALITY, reality, is that this is what abortion looks like. period. No need to fake photos. What the heck do you think it looks like?

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 12:34 PM

I looked at the photo, and I clicked on it to enlarge it. It's a picture of a fully intact fetus at, I would guess, about 7 months gestation. It looks just like a stillborn.

I thought you all said that fetuses aborted at that stage were ripped apart into pieces?

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 12:53 PM


Some low-level phone person who has nothing to do with the running of the organization said something stupid. So the heck what?

She was the Director of Development. How do you figure she has nothing to do with the running of the organization. A huge light bulb probably went off in her head during the phone call for ways to increase this type of donation!!!!!!

Sure, Autumn is an idiot and should be fired. But to pretend that the racist views of someone whose only job is to answer phones reflects the larger views of the entire PP organization is just beyond ridiculous.

This is a non-story.

Again H, she identified herself as the Director of Development. Her racist views fall into line with all of the other calls that were made where money was gladly accepted in the name of racism.

The only reason this would be a non-story is that the MSM will refuse to make it one.
Did you think Imus's comments were a non-story?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:53 PM


Sandy, and she's also the 2008 Margaret Sanger Award recipient....yeah right.

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 12:55 PM


I looked at the photo, and I clicked on it to enlarge it. It's a picture of a fully intact fetus at, I would guess, about 7 months gestation. It looks just like a stillborn.

I thought you all said that fetuses aborted at that stage were ripped apart into pieces?


Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 12:53 PM

H,Do you work in a position where you come in contact with stillborns? How many have you seen?
What are the differences?

We never said they were all ripped apart into pieces at this stage. There are many other horrific methods used to abort babies at this stage. Get a clue.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:59 PM


Jess -

"... Ok no more abortions for black women. African Americans obviously can't think for themselves so let's "help" them be refusing them abortions."

Now that's callous.

So according to most of the PC'ers here it is okay that the poor have more abortions because they can't afford it.

That is the worse form of discrimination I have heard in a long time. I do NOT believe it okay that income should take part in the fact that some people are using eugenic abortion towards certain groups.

Although you sound all kind hearted saying "but it's for the poor and they can't afford it" you are actually condoning the black abortion rates being higher than the black birth rates.

In the 1970's we were told that the African American community would not be considered a minority by the year 2000. Abortion has kept their numbers at a status quo and kept them a minority. Exactly what Margaret Sanger and the likes wanted.

“I accepted one branch of this philosophy, but eugenics without birth control seemed to me a house built upon sands. It could not stand against the furious winds of economic pressure which had buffeted into partial or total helplessness a tremendous proportion of the human race. The eugenists wanted to shift the birth control emphasis from less children for the poor to more children for the rich. We
went back of that and sought first to stop the multiplication of the unfit. This appeared the most important and greatest step towards race betterment.” (Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography Pg. 374-375)

"(I)n North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their
cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I
believe will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers,
as well as the County’s white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us.

The minister’s work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the
minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." (Letter to Dr. Clarence J. Gamble discussing the Negro Project.)

Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 1:07 PM


H,Do you work in a position where you come in contact with stillborns? How many have you seen?
What are the differences?

We never said they were all ripped apart into pieces at this stage. There are many other horrific methods used to abort babies at this stage. Get a clue.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:59 PM

No I don't. I have seen a stillborn, but it belonged to a family member, and to me, this looks the same. Please identify the differences since you seem to have them at hand.

I've noticed that no one seems to be able to identify the source of that picture. You all have no idea whether it's an aborted fetus or a stillborn, but you'll claim otherwise happily.

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 1:14 PM


Hieronymous -

"I thought you all said that fetuses aborted at that stage were ripped apart into pieces?"

It depends on the method used for the abortion. If the Doctor is very skilled at Partial Birth abortion the cut in the back of the baby's neck is hard to find unless you know where to look. The usual method is saline and it depends on what kind of solution was used as to how much burning would be done on the outside of the body. The older the fetus is, the less likely of the mass burning seen than in younger fetus because of the skin thickness and texture in the different stages of development. This is seen in the two recent posts showing people who survived this type of abortion. However, the burning down the throat is all the same no matter the age.

All that said - I missed this picture - what post is it in?

Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 1:15 PM


If the Doctor is very skilled at Partial Birth abortion the cut in the back of the baby's neck is hard to find unless you know where to look. The usual method is saline and it depends on what kind of solution was used as to how much burning would be done on the outside of the body. The older the fetus is, the less likely of the mass burning seen than in younger fetus because of the skin thickness and texture in the different stages of development.


Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 1:15 PM


Oh please Valerie. Even I know that the purpose of cutting into the fetuses head is to crush the skull for easier passage. The fetus in the picture had a perfectly intact skull. And its skin looked just fine. It looked just like my babies' skin when they were born.

You all have no idea whether that picture is of s stillborn or not.

The picture was up in Jasper's quote of the day sidebar. He's taken it down since. Wonder why.

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 1:18 PM


"Yesterday reality accused Jasper of putting up a picture of a stillborn and claiming it was an aborted child. WHY???? Why would he need to do that?"

Maybe he needs to do that because there aren't enough shocking photos of aborted feti on the internet.

Maybe all he could find was a photo of a stillborn. Maybe someone else posted a photo of a stillborn and claimed it was an aborted fetus and Jasper just passed it on without proof, being only too willing to believe it.

Why would he post it at all is a better question.

Posted by: Hal at February 27, 2008 1:19 PM


H,
There is also the method where the medication is injected into the heart so it will cease.

The baby is then born intact. Did you not notice how the right arm looks as if it were torn out of the socket? the left arm also looks very twisted. Why would a stillborn baby have those tell tale marks of abortion?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 1:42 PM


H,
There is also the method where the medication is injected into the heart so it will cease.

The baby is then born intact. Did you not notice how the right arm looks as if it were torn out of the socket? the left arm also looks very twisted. Why would a stillborn baby have those tell tale marks of abortion?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 1:42 PM

I really wish you would quit making stuff up. The right arm did NOT look like it was torn out of the socket, and the left arm did not look twisted. The right arm was behind the torso, and the left arm just looked limp.

Posted by: Hieronymous at February 27, 2008 1:46 PM


Why would he post it at all is a better question.


Posted by: Hal at February 27, 2008 1:19 PM

There are plenty more photos available of aborted babies far more gruesome than the one Jasper posted. Would you like those put up on the sight? What is really the purpose in continuing to deny that aborted babies are brtually killed. As Valerie stated above they are burned to death, torn limb from limb, sucked into several pieces, stabbed in the back of the head with scissors, decapitated, or given injections to the heart.

I am sure Jasper could pull up any number of photos that are undeniably aborted babies.

Take your pick.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 1:49 PM


The usual method is saline and it depends on what kind of solution was used as to how much burning would be done on the outside of the body.
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Are saline abortion still performed? I thought that method had been abandoned.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 2:06 PM


"Some low-level phone person who has nothing to do with the running of the organization said something stupid. So the heck what?"

I've heard that statement before...Hmmm......

Posted by: Janet at February 27, 2008 2:06 PM


Are saline abortion still performed? I thought that method had been abandoned.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 2:06 PM
No in my state.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:09 PM


Maybe all he could find was a photo of a stillborn. Maybe someone else posted a photo of a stillborn and claimed it was an aborted fetus and Jasper just passed it on without proof, being only too willing to believe it.
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There's one picture right-to-lifers use all the time as a depiction of a fetus after a saline abortion. I have a picture of it blown up to an enormous size and plastered on the side of a "truth truck" on the Operation Rescue site.

The fetus in the picture is COVERED with necrotic tissue. It was rotting. It had to have been delivered dead or near death when this picture was taken. As far as I can tell, it's a full-term fetus:

http://home.thezone.net/~nfrtla/aborted-child-22-weeks-saline.jpg

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 2:19 PM


TR,

Why does one exclude the other? Just because we recognize that the black community is being targeted doesn't mean we think they, or anyone, should remain poor and uneducated.

But tell me, what exactly in the year 2008 and is keeping them from getting good jobs or an education?

There are grants, federal funding, welfare, affirmative action...all the opportunities are there. But they must be utilized to be useful.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 12:23 PM
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So if someone is impoverished its their own fault? They just arent 'working hard enough' or whatever? There is no 'targeting' being done. PP clinics are in areas where the women have limited resources. Poor women get affordable health care from PP when they cant get it other places. The last figures I read showed that for every 3 women who have abortions 97 go to PP for other reasons. Someone whined that PP also counts post abortion checkups. OK so that means what? For every 6 women who have an abortion or abortion related care 94 go for another reason? The fact of the matter is the antichoicer doesnt care about those 94 women. Women end pregnancies when they know they cant take care of a child and thats not a racial decision. No one is forcing black women to abort. But refusing to face the role poverty plays in their decision is being willfully ignorant.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:25 PM


FF,
What is your point with the picture? Are you trying to say this is not an aborted baby either?

BTW,I know you have never delivered a baby, but 100% of the time they are bigger than the size of an adult hand. So explain why you think this is a full-term baby.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:27 PM


The picture was up in Jasper's quote of the day sidebar. He's taken it down since. Wonder why.

Might have something to do with the phrase Quote of the DAY!!!!

As in YESTERDAY. It's a new day here in America. Look out the window.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 2:36 PM


But the one thing you would think we could all agree on is that PP is a racist organization who has now been caught with actual proof.

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No, its not.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:38 PM


She was polite and said please. You on the other hand are constantly ranting with irrational hyteria by calling people stupid and idiots.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:25 PM
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I wont call you an idiot unless you prove you deserve it. There is nothing irrational or hysterical about anything I've said. I know you dont have the integrity to admit that. Her accusations were idiotic and ridiculous. And that kind of rant just makes antichoicers look foolish, uninformed and absurd.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:41 PM


TR,
You too refuse to see the issue here. PP is accepting money ear-marked to abort blacks in the name of racism. What part of the story did you not understand? I think your 10 gallon hat is pulled too far down over your eyes making it difficult for you to see clearly.

What if a major university was given a large donation for their athletic department by someone did so with the stipulation that no money would be used to support, train, or educate black people through scholarship programs. Would you consider that racist?


Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:32 PM
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No, PP isnt doing ANY such thing. You have ONE conversation supposedly between two people and your gibbering 'well that just HAS to mean - !' Ever stopped and thought about what would have happened if this fake had gotten an African American woman ON the phone when he started this absurd little song and dance? OR didnt you realize minorities WORK at PP offices? Your comment about my *hat* just makes you look stupid. As far as 'major university' why dont YOU make SOME attempt to deal with the subject at hand? Or cant you?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:44 PM


Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:25 PM
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I wont call you an idiot unless you prove you deserve it. There is nothing irrational or hysterical about anything I've said. I know you dont have the integrity to admit that. Her accusations were idiotic and ridiculous. And that kind of rant just makes antichoicers look foolish, uninformed and absurd.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:41 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:48 PM


There were MANY, MANY, MANY PP personnel that accepted the donations....

And why would they make this up???????? Do you think they are amateurs. What that poor girl went through after exposing their lack of reporting statutory rapes! Think woman! What would be gained by lying.

The point is, there is NO NEED TO LIE.

Yesterday reality accused Jasper of putting up a picture of a stillborn and claiming it was an aborted child. WHY???? Why would he need to do that?

The REALITY, reality, is that this is what abortion looks like. period. No need to fake photos. What the heck do you think it looks like?

There is NO NEED to fabricate. The truth is horrifying enough.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 12:34 PM
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WHO accepted the 'donations'? Just who was called? How were they chosen? How many people didnt accept the donations? How many calls were made? All these questions arent answered. Why would you make something like this up? Because the truth about PP doesnt suit your agenda. You lack the integrity to admit the good PP does. Antichoicers lie about PP for the same reason they lie about everything else - because the truth doesnt help your position.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:49 PM


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:48 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, were you captain of the debate team?

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 2:52 PM



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No, PP isnt doing ANY such thing. You have ONE conversation supposedly between two people and your gibbering 'well that just HAS to mean - !' Ever stopped and thought about what would have happened if this fake had gotten an African American woman ON the phone when he started this absurd little song and dance? OR didnt you realize minorities WORK at PP offices? Your comment about my *hat* just makes you look stupid. As far as 'major university' why dont YOU make SOME attempt to deal with the subject at hand? Or cant you?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:44 PM

TR,
It wasn't just one conversation. There were several. And from their release, it sounds like there is more proof to come.

I am trying to deal with the subject at hand, but you won't. You would rather believe that this whole thing was a farse and not realize the truth of what has been brought to light.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:53 PM


TR,
Please. Autumn Kelsey identified herself and her position as Director of Develpment at PP. (soon to be the recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award for 2008) She wasn't the only one who accepted the dough. There were several other examples of employees more than willing to take the money.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 12:37 PM
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And I couldnt call you before hand and tell you 'When I call you this is what youre supposed to say'?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:58 PM


TR -

"do we have proof this was an actual conversation and not a fabrication?"

It's called phone records - you ever hear of them? All documentation is in place. Do you really think the Advocate would make untrue claims against PP if they didn't have documentation? PP has money coming out of their gluteus maximus.

Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 12:49 PM
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I didnt see any phone records posted ....

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:01 PM


More evidence that the call was probably faked. Here's a partial list of past Margaret Sanger Award recipients. Somehow, I don't see "Autumn Kelsey, random phone-answerer" as coming up on that list:

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Curious ...........

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:02 PM


And I couldnt call you before hand and tell you 'When I call you this is what youre supposed to say'?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 2:58 PM

So let me get this straight. You believe that the staff at the Advocate called PP offices ahead of time and said:

I am going to fax you a script of a conversation that we are going to have on the phone. When I call you, identify yourself and then read your lines where it says PP worker.

I am going to play a racist bigot who wants to donate money specifically ear-marked for aborting black babies because I am sick of Affirmative Action and the black race.

You play the unsuspecting PP worker who is thrilled to get a donation for this reason and accept the cash. Don't worry, this is all just for fun. We will not be recording this conversation.
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Is this actually what you are implying happened? Or am I confused by your assertion. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:06 PM


Hieronymous -

"Oh please Valerie. Even I know that the purpose of cutting into the fetuses head is to crush the skull for easier passage. "

You're right. If the PBA goes as planned. However it came out in the PBA Ban act of 1997 (from an earlier interview from Dr. Haskell) that the punture of the skull is what kills the baby. Sometimes the baby is delivered before the brains are sucked out. (If your about is snicker and say I'm nuts - How do you think most of the live birth abortions happen? The baby is fully delivered before the skull is punctured. This was also mentioned in almost all articles wrote complaining about the ban and the live birth abortion act.)

Like I said, I didn't see the picture. (I thought I knew which one it was until reading FF description - now I have no clue which one it is - but I'm looking.) I was just giving information that I have read in the various court cases on the PBA ban.


FF -

"Are saline abortion still performed? I thought that method had been abandoned."

I have no idea, I thought it was still being used. Was it abandoned or is it illegal? Or should I look that up?


Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 3:08 PM


Are saline abortion still performed? I thought that method had been abandoned.

Posted by: FetusFascist at February 27, 2008 2:06 PM
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They are virtually never used any more. They were never used very often. Injecting saline is dangerous for the woman. And the fetus is bright red and very badly swollen when its delivered. That picture wasnt of a saline abortion.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:08 PM


Hieronymous 12:38PM

Autumn wasn't the delivery lady that just happened to pick up the phone. She was Director of Development. That job doesn't sound too low level to me. Make any sort of hay out of the call? The caller spoke impeccable English. It sounded pretty clear and straight forward to me. You'd have to be very hard of hearing or just plain dense not to understand exactly what the caller was saying. About the number of calls made, you're right there, you can only guess.

Hieronymous 12:46PM

She's not on the list because she's the soon to be recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award for 2008. Very impressive for such a low level employee. Obviously, it hasn't been issued yet which would likely explain why her name isn't on this list.


Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 3:09 PM


"Director of Development" is that for ALL of PP? For one region? one state? one area? What?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:09 PM


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:48 PM
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Exactly. When you cant deal with any of the issues you resort to babbling like an idiot.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:11 PM


More evidence that the call was probably faked. Here's a partial list of past Margaret Sanger Award recipients. Somehow, I don't see "Autumn Kelsey, random phone-answerer" as coming up on that list:

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Curious ...........

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:02 PM


Hello????? I was joking. Although I would assume at this point she would be a great candidate for the award. Her dedication to Margaret Sanger's "vision" has been outted. It looks like it's about time they make a selection from inside the company. There have been too many winners chosen from outside the organization. Just think what giving an award to someone inside the company could do for morale.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:11 PM


TR,

Another "problem" with saline abortion is that it didn't always produce a dead baby. That could be such an embarassing nuisance.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 3:11 PM


TR, Hiero,

Sandy was being facetious when she suggested Autumn would be the recipient in 2008. (She wasn't stating for a fact that Autumn had actually been named to receive it.)

Posted by: Janet at February 27, 2008 3:12 PM


Exactly. When you cant deal with any of the issues you resort to babbling like an idiot.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:11 PM

No.... just tired of reading your consistant ranting insults that never change.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:13 PM


Sandy 3:11PM

Now you tell me!

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 3:13 PM


Hieronymous,

Looks like we both fell for that one!:):)

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 3:14 PM


It wasn't just one conversation. There were several. And from their release, it sounds like there is more proof to come.

I am trying to deal with the subject at hand, but you won't. You would rather believe that this whole thing was a farse and not realize the truth of what has been brought to light.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:53 PM
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Im saying there are some questions that any intelligent educated rational person would ask before buying into the story. The assumptions and inventions youre coming up are YOURS. And it certainly doesnt 'prove' anything about ALL of PP. The story itself was anything but objective.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:16 PM


No.... just tired of reading your consistant ranting insults that never change.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:13 PM
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As I pointed out, if you'd stop making such a concerted effort to look like an idiot I wouldnt mention it.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:18 PM


I am trying to deal with the subject at hand, but you won't. You would rather believe that this whole thing was a farse and not realize the truth of what has been brought to light.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 2:53 PM
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No, youre not 'dealing with the subject at hand'. Youre jumping to conclusions, assuming, inventing, fabricating, and going off on your own little deranged tangent about "what this really means". The subject at hand is a biased article about supposed phone conversations which leave a whole lot of questions unanswered.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:21 PM


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Im saying there are some questions that any intelligent educated rational person would ask before buying into the story. The assumptions and inventions youre coming up are YOURS. And it certainly doesnt 'prove' anything about ALL of PP. The story itself was anything but objective.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:16 PM

What assumptions and inventions TR?? Autumn was thrilled to be recieving a donation from someone who made it very clear the money was to be used for his racist ideals.

The other workers did the same. Autumn identified herself as the Director of Development. That doesn't sound like a position that would be handed to someone who doesn't understand the company agenda. She actually agreed with the caller by not disagreeing with him. That makes her racist as well.

How is this not clear to you?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:22 PM


Is this actually what you are implying happened? Or am I confused by your assertion. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:06 PM
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Im saying 'Just how much do we know about this supposed phone call?' Are you saying it COULDNT happen?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:26 PM


She's excited????

How disgusting.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 27, 2008 3:26 PM


Sorry Mary,
I was posting about it being a joke at the same time your post went up. She does seem like likely candidate though huh?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:30 PM


What assumptions and inventions TR?? Autumn was thrilled to be recieving a donation from someone who made it very clear the money was to be used for his racist ideals.

The other workers did the same. Autumn identified herself as the Director of Development. That doesn't sound like a position that would be handed to someone who doesn't understand the company agenda. She actually agreed with the caller by not disagreeing with him. That makes her racist as well.

How is this not clear to you?

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:22 PM
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Youre making one assumption after another about ALL of PP. Youre inventing your own little scenario about how 'racist' ALL of PP 'has to be'. Youre the one who cant deal with the facts here. Autum 'identified' herself - just what does that mean? WHO is she? Where does she work? What does this title mean? Is she salaried? A volunteer? Is she the 'director' for all of PP? for a region? for a state? for an area? What? Youre back to YOUR assumptions and YOUR inventions and YOUR fabrications.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 3:32 PM


Sandy,

No problem. I always say laugh at yourself, everyone else does. :)

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 3:38 PM


Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 3:44 PM


Thanks MK,
Finally the photo debate can rest just as this poor sweet baby.

I am sure that more will come out about this expose to put the falacy debate to rest as well.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 3:51 PM


Now here's some without their little heads...is this more to your liking? Or are you gonna claim these were stillborn also?


Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:02 PM


Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:05 PM


Looks a little like a blueberry doesn't it? For those of you who don't know, we refer to this as the product of conception. The result of failed gestation. Nothing but a blob of cells. All hail George Tiller!

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:07 PM


TR, Hieronymous, Laura,

You're strangely silent...

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:08 PM


And for contrast?


Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:10 PM


Now here's some without their little heads...is this more to your liking? Or are you gonna claim these were stillborn also?

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Where did you get these pictures? Where were they taken? When? Who took them? Can you answer those questions? Can you prove it wasnt a still birth or the fetus wasnt removed due to fetal demise?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 4:16 PM


You want to pretend that a 'doctor' who makes a claim about 'aborted children' is objective and believable? And I personally would say that picture looks a lot further into gestation than 22 weeks. As I said before - whats the providence of this picture? Where was it taken? when? who took it? Because if you cant answer those questions you cant prove anything about that picture or any other.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 4:19 PM


TR,

Do you see the documentation on the first picture?

And are you actually under the impression that children are still born WITHOUT THEIR HEADS?????

Tell you what. You show me a picture of what you believe an aborted baby looks like...then we'll talk.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:21 PM


Thanks MK,
Finally the photo debate can rest just as this poor sweet baby.

I am sure that more will come out about this PP expose to put the falacy debate to rest as well.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 4:21 PM


TR, Hieronymous, Laura,

You're strangely silent...

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:08 PM
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Silent about what? I asked you questions. Can you give me answers? And the term 'accurately represents' is ambiguous at best. Or are we not supposed to notice that?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 4:23 PM


TR,

You are too, too funny...accurately represents is ambiguous...okay. whatever!

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:27 PM


CBR Prepares to Sue Pro-Aborts who Falsely Accuse us of "Photo Fraud"

CBR is preparing to take legal action against pro-abortion defendants who falsely accuse CBR of fraudulently altering pictures of aborted embryos and fetuses. We will present affidavits from our photographers and certifications of authenticity from technical experts who have examined our original negatives, transparencies and videotape. We will also rely on the expert testimony of physicians who have formerly practiced abortion medicine. One example of this type of authentication is contained in a letter we recently received from Anthony P. Levatino, M.D., J.D. Dr. Levatino is both a physician and attorney and he says the following:

I, the undersigned, having performed induced abortions earlier in my career, have examined the photos depicting the aborted human embryos and fetuses used by The Center For Bio-Ethical Reform in their public education projects (www.abortionNO.org). It is my professional opinion that the photos depict aborted human embryos and fetuses and that the depicted aborted human embryos and fetuses are accurately captioned as to age, in weeks since fertilization.

Accusations of fraud against GAP are inevitable but they are also intellectually dishonest. This lie is usually told by pro-aborts who only pretend to doubt that the images are authentic. They are panic–stricken by the fear that "choice" will be unmasked as an act of violence which kills a baby. Fear can be a sign of intelligence and in this case they are smart to be afraid. These pictures are the abortion industry's worst nightmare and things are about to get a whole lot worse.

Impugning the accuracy of our pictures is the same sort of tactic used by neo-Nazis in response to condemnation of the Holocaust. Skinheads just say death-camp photos are fake. The Holocaust never happened. The Final Solution is a slanderous, anti-Arian fairytale.


http://www.abortionno.org/About_Us/lawsuits/authenticity.html

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:30 PM


TR,

Do you see the documentation on the first picture?

And are you actually under the impression that children are still born WITHOUT THEIR HEADS?????

Tell you what. You show me a picture of what you believe an aborted baby looks like...then we'll talk.

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:21 PM
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Babies arent aborted. And yes, I saw the 'documentation' and commented on it. Obviously you didnt notice the curious ambiguity of the term 'representative' or hoped no one else would. And yes, if a doctor was trying to remove a dead fetus it might be removed in pieces. An abortion at 12 weeks will result in a 12 week fetus, at 16 weeks it will be a 16 week fetus, etc etc etc. An abortion at 20 weeks will look like a 20 week old fetus. Id think that would be obvious to anyone.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 4:30 PM


TR,

You are too, too funny...accurately represents is ambiguous...okay. whatever!

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:27 PM
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The 'documentation' doesnt say 'This is a fetus aborted at 22 weeks gestation'. It says it 'accurately REPRESENTS'. Did you not notice that or you hoped no one else would?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 4:32 PM


TR,

If you google "aborted babies" (under "images"), you'll find more than you care to see.

Posted by: Janet at February 27, 2008 4:32 PM


The pro-aborts deny the pictures are real because its easier for their conscience (if they actually have one) to handle. So, they just deny, deny, deny, like rebelious little children. No, thats no right, rebelious little children can understand more than they do.

Posted by: jasper at February 27, 2008 4:34 PM


CBR Prepares to Sue Pro-Aborts who Falsely Accuse us of "Photo Fraud"

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ROFLMAO
Can you tell us where these pictures came from? Which hospital? Which clinic? Who took them? When were they taken? Where were they taken? How were they obtained? Because if they cant provide all that information for each photo then they cant 'prove' a thing. And they're going to look really stupid. Just how long have they been *preparing*?

Posted by: TexasRed at February 27, 2008 4:35 PM


Pro-choicers are always so skeptical of our pictures. I guess I just don't understand why. They have full knowledge about the procedures.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 27, 2008 4:35 PM


pip,

It's called denial...it's easier to deny than have to deal with reality.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 27, 2008 4:40 PM


HI. I'M NOT AN ACTUAL ABORTED BABY BUT I PLAY ONE ON JILLS WEBSITE...

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:41 PM


Texas,

You'd have to actually do some legwork and go to their site, but yes, each and every picture is documented.

We don't ask anyone to take our word for anything. Doubters can dial-up our Website and hold these textbook illustrations next to the corresponding photos on our GAP signs. When measuring our images, bear in mind that many of the first trimester aborted babies we show have been torn apart by the termination procedure. The shredded pieces of their bodies have only been loosely reassembled for photographic purposes. Abortion stretches, tears and otherwise distorts the soft tissue of these very small unborn babies.

Of course, no amount of evidence will satisfy dogmatic pro-aborts. They wouldn't acknowledge the legitimacy of any abortion photos, even if they took the pictures themselves -- of abortions performed in their very presence. But for sincere questioners, those who inquire in good faith, the foregoing sources will quiet every reasonable concern.

We are sometimes asked how and from what sources we have compiled our huge library (perhaps the largest in the world) of aborted baby photos and video. Understandably, the terms of our acquisition agreements prohibit the disclosure of that information. If we must divulge this information pursuant to the lawsuits we are preparing, we will do so “in camera,” which means in a judge’s chambers, off the record, so the information will be sealed and never made public. It doesn't take much analytical ability to guess why. We are prepared, however, to say that we reject civil disobedience on tactical grounds (and violence on moral grounds) so we use only lawful means to acquire imagery.

http://www.cbrinfo.org/About_Us/lawsuits/authenticity02.html

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:47 PM


TR,

I notice you didn't ask for any authentication that the live baby is in fact a real baby. After all it could be computer simulation or an android...

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:48 PM


I notice you didn't ask for any authentication that the live baby is in fact a real baby. After all it could be computer simulation or an android...

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 4:48 PM

OK MK, Now I do wish that was my line. Good one.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 4:54 PM


Sandy,

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 5:00 PM


Where is FF?
I want an explaination of how a baby the size of a human hand could be considered full term?

I know she is used to looking at newborn puppies and could get the two confused. Although in her work she is all about saving the "critters" and would accept funds from Bin Laden to do so. But at the same time supports the killing of innocent babies. Her posts have revealed how racist she is by supporting PP's position to collect money from fellow racists. Maybe a new name is in order.... RFF would be appropriate.

Posted by: Sandy at February 27, 2008 5:01 PM


Sandy,


Where is this picture that you're talking about?

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 5:06 PM


Sandy,

Ahhh yes, I see it now. Dr. Laura knows necrotic tissue, hm? Well, I'll show documentation for the photo when Laura shows me documentation of a PHD...

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 5:09 PM


MK,Sandy,Janet,PIP,Elizabeth, and Jasper

TR doesn't surprise me. There are people just as adamant the Holocaust never occured and no amount of documentation, pictures, eye witness accounts, or even Divine proclamation will change their minds. You'll never convince Holocaust deniers they are wrong, and won't change the minds of people like TR either. People think and believe what they are determined to, and don't confuse themselves with the facts.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 5:16 PM


Mary,

Then I guess I should feel sorry for her and stop laughing at her?

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 5:55 PM


MK,

I think we all have to live with the reality that when some people make up their minds, you will never be able to confuse them with the facts.

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 6:18 PM


Dang!

Posted by: mk at February 27, 2008 6:32 PM


MK -

They want to see a documented picture of a second trimester abortion?

Lets give it to them.

Here's the link:

library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/PEDHTML/PED028.html

Can you post the picture please?


Posted by: valerie at February 27, 2008 9:16 PM


Hieronymous said, "More evidence that the call was probably faked. Here's a partial list of past Margaret Sanger Award recipients. Somehow, I don't see "Autumn Kelsey, random phone-answerer" as coming up on that list:"

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/idaho/bequests-and-other-planned-giving.htm Ms Kersey is listed on the Planned Parenthood site, you can find it by searching for her name.



Bequests and other Planned Giving

Fund the future of Planned Parenthood of Idaho through your estate planning or special gifts
Examples of this type of charitable giving include bequests through your will or living trust; gifts that give you income for life, including a charitable gift annuity, charitable remainder trust, or pooled income fund; and ways to leave a bequest without a will or trust, including retirement plans, insurance policies, and bank/investment accounts.


Bequests: Gifts Made Through Your Will or Living Trust

The most common planned gift is a bequest through your will or living trust. You can arrange a gift of a specific amount, a percentage, or even all or part of the residuum of your estate. If you would like to make such a gift to Planned Parenthood of Idaho (PPI), your attorney may wish to include language similar to the following:

"I give, devise, and bequeath to Planned Parenthood of Idaho, Inc., now or formerly in the City of Boise 1109 Main St., Ste. 500 Boise, ID 83702, (dollar amount or __ percent of the rest, residue, and remainder of my estate), to be used for its general purposes."

Gifts through bequests can be designated to support specific programs (such as health services or education).

To establish a bequest to PPI, you may also need the following:

Legal Name:
Planned Parenthood of Idaho, Inc.

Address:
1109 Main St., Ste. 500 Boise, ID 83702

Federal Tax ID Number:
82-0297551

Ways to Leave a Bequest Without a Will or Trust

Many charitable people wish to create a legacy for Planned Parenthood of Idaho, but have no interest in writing a will or trust. Here are three ways this can be achieved:

· name PPI as beneficiary of a retirement fund

· name PPI as beneficiary of an insurance policy, or

· name PPI as successor to your bank or investment account

For information about these giving opportunities, please contact Autumn Kersey, Vice President of Development & Marketing at 208-376-2277 ext. 13 or email.

Gifts That Give You Income for Life

Planned Parenthood offers a comprehensive planned giving program. Our staff works with donors and their advisors on many special ways of giving.

If you would benefit from:

· payments for the rest of your life

· an income tax deduction, and

· a reduction in capital gains tax

Please contact Autumn Kersey, Vice President of Development & Marketing, for more information about charitable gift annuities, charitable remainder trusts, and pooled income funds.

Autumn Kersey
208-376-2277 ext. 13
email

Posted by: Lolita at February 27, 2008 9:16 PM


MK,

Another point. When people respond very angrily and emotionally to the facts you present, what does that tell you? Isn't this just human nature to angrily deny what you do not want to believe? Haven't we all had the experience of being angry with people who tell us what we choose not to believe?

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 9:20 PM



We MUST gather immediately to establish "A-Teams" Pro-Life perspective political candidate lineups that will run against current Pro-Abort politicians. "Vote out the Vile, Vote in the Virtue!" With a tandem of comprehensive guidance and advisory consultants, any Pro-Life politician newcomers in the "A-Team" lineups will be formidable challengers to the reigning Pro-Abort local and national government leaders.
The local and national media exposure alone, of Pro-Abort murder mentality stances, will be an advance to ending the apathy of ignorance dilemma! Talk about talking about the ugly reality of abortion! Wow, what a forum!
Wake Up! Shake it Up!! We Can Do!!! May God's Will be Our Movement.
N O W !!!
:-)
(Can it get anymore exciting and positive than this?)
Pro-Life posse mount immediately! Charge forward courageously to reclaim Our Mountains of Compassion, Humanitarianism and Truth in the Glory of Love and Life. God Speed!

Posted by: Gera Schmidt at February 27, 2008 11:03 PM


Lolita,

It certainly doesn't sound like some low level employee who happened to answer the phone!

Posted by: Mary at February 27, 2008 11:04 PM


You know all I can do when I see the pictures of those aborted babies is pray. I think I pray the hardest when I see those pictures. I pray so hard for their little souls and their little baby bodies. I pray that God came and took them before they had to feel the pain of what they went through. I pray He is holding them, ALL OF THEM.

Everyone deserves so much better than abortion.

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 27, 2008 11:25 PM


All of those precious babies are in heaven, Elizabeth. They are in His presence.
It breaks my heart when I see those pictures too.

Posted by: Carla at February 28, 2008 7:08 AM


MK -

What happened to TR et. al.?

They wanted documented pictures. We showed them one. And now no comments?

Perhaps they are worried that I have more?

Posted by: valerie at February 28, 2008 7:13 AM


Or, perhaps Valerie, they are worried about the truth. It can be a scary thing, you know. Makes it hard to live in denial

Posted by: Elizabeth at February 28, 2008 9:18 AM


That video was so so sad.

Posted by: Lisa at February 28, 2008 1:41 PM


Bless you! Bless you for hosting (posting) more unveiling of one of the most EVIL EMPIRES in the world and that's PLANNED PARENTHOOD!

As a follower of Jesus Christ and as a black woman who is staunchly PRO-LIFE, I applaud you! I hate abortion and I hate Planned Parenthood!

It is a joke for ANY one to believe that Jackson and Sharpton are for the black community.

Oh! no they're not!!! Neither man has made any stand against abortion in the black community. It is my personal opinion that Planned Parenthood is probably one of the many venues that butters both sides of Jackson and Sharpton's bread.

Thank God for you!

Only one problem---the video is no longer available! This is as of today, Thursday, February 29, 2008, 6:43 e.s.t.

Otherwise, your message is FANTASTIC!!!!!

Very appreciative,
Miss Lydia Marie Farmer

(I won't even use the title, "Ms." anymore because it comes from one of the biggest pro-abort women organizations---N.O.W. (the National Organization For Women)!

Posted by: Miss Lydia Marie Farmer at February 28, 2008 5:54 PM


...Oops! The date I put is wrong. I meant to put Thursday, February 28, 2008, 6:43 e.s.t.

Posted by: Miss Lydia Marie Farmer at February 28, 2008 5:56 PM


The video seems to be working fine now.

Posted by: Janet at February 28, 2008 7:14 PM


Miss Farmer,

Welcome to the blog.
Rev. Jackson was at one time a staunch pro-life supporter who referred to abortion as black genocide. I remember when Rev. Jackson was indeed a leader and a man of conviction.

He turned tail on the abortion issue when it suited his political ambitions to do so. He even marched on Washington in support of abortion hand in hand with Faye Wattleton, the only black president of Planned Parenthood. Beautiful, dedicated, and articulate, she was a media darling. How often I wished she was on our side!
Its ironic she so admired Margaret Sanger, a woman who would most likely have viewed her as a racial inferior. I can only assume Ms. Wattleton was blissfully ignorant of the real Margaret Sanger and the history of PP.

I hope we'll hear from you again on this blog. It can get lively at times, but that's what makes it interesting and very addicting.

Posted by: Mary at February 28, 2008 8:13 PM


Did his wake up your conscience? Or are we going to hear how it was this man's desire to have less black people and it was PP's desire to get a donation, and it will be the black womans desire to kill her child, so where's the problem??? It's all good!

MK, there are those that would advocate no white babies being born, as well. This guy's money (even though he was a fake) would go to helping black women with unwanted pregnancies end them, as far as I can tell.

I don't think many white women make their decisions based on what virulent anti-white people want, and likewise, I don't see black women saying yea or nay based on the guy, even if he was real.

Doug

Posted by: Anonymous at February 29, 2008 12:35 AM


Doug, Laura, Are you paying attention? Black births are DOWN! Just like we've been saying.

MK, so what? White births are down too. Black births are still a good bit higher than for whites. Whites in the US are below "replacement" level, while blacks are not, but what of that, too?

Why should a given women of any color worry about that stuff, when it's her own personal situation which will almost always take precedence?

The black population as a percentage of Americans is 50% higher than it was in 1950.

This is a non-argument....

Posted by: Anonymous at February 29, 2008 12:39 AM