If ever I was to recommend one of these ALL videos to a friend, it would be this one. Short, sweet, and to the point. This is what we need to focus on about Planned Parenthood. Their work as a business gives us arguments that hold much more water than anything else we can bring against them.

Thanks for posting.

Jill, Does Planned Parenthood have any real ties, business or otherwise, to Lens Crafters? What a business model, get your abortion and your fashion frames at the same time! That would take away some of the stigma of walking into a PP. Yikes! Lord have mercy on us all.

StudentFL,
Great point. May I ask what you are studying?

If you're going to sell promiscuity, contraception, and "family planning" to teenagers in order to secure future customers the mall is a brilliant place to set up shop. We all know teenagers love the mall.

.... You gals seriously need to put away the jaw & claws. Sarcasm not withstanding from your comments above, do you ever really think before you speak? Planned Parenthood isn't the abode of horror and debauchery you make it out to be. While I understand and respect your opinion, you can't just paint it in a certain shade and expect everyone to take your word as truth. They have done some good, and I'm glad that they at least provide methods for safe sex, not just do abortions. Hell, my dad is a pro-life OB/GYN, and while he disagrees with the abortion side, a lot of his patients were recommended by PP, and vice versa when they don't have the money to receive care from him.

Besides, there's more than one side to every story. Ask Jill, Mk, Bethany, or Jasper. They've known me for a while, and Jill and MK met me in person. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor am I he who is without sin, but I'm not the racist hate-monger that most people paint me to be. Just think about it.

Great website StudentFL! Keep up the good work. You are our hope for the future.

Gotta love the video - even the pig is so apropo!
So what will they do with the protestors in a mall. That oughta be fun!

You can't hand out literature in a mall or stand there with a sign but you can wear anti-Planned Parenthood t-shirts.

.........

You guys are like a pastor I used to know. Just don't know when to quit and leave it alone....

"They have done some good, and I'm glad that they at least provide methods for safe sex, not just do abortions. "
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Hmmm...I guess I'm getting old and my memory is getting foggy...could you pls elaborate on what GOOD PP has done? (enriching themselves with blood money does not count)

RSD,

Providing gynecological examinations at a reduced cost for those who can't afford it, providing people with different safe sex methods that actually help avoid them coming back for an abortion...

Does that work well enough for you, or would you rather me paint them in a light so that all of you will try and have them nominated for sainthood like you did for the Pope?

ah yes..."Providing gynecological examinations at a reduced cost for those who can't afford it, providing people with different safe sex methods"
...the so-called 97% of services provided by PP...the rest of the 3% is abortion...

Tell me SkD...IF I provide my family with food shelter, clothing, medical coverage...but I abuse my kids and spouse 3% of the time...am I considered a good person?

The weight of abortion far outweighs the minimal good that they do....

You can plant Pro-Life literature around the mall. When your done reading Pro-Life literature in the mail, remove the page with your name off the literature and plant it around the mall near the PP centers.

Mike

It depends, really. Technically I get verbally abused by my dad when he's drunk, but that doesn't make him a bad person, that just makes him a bad drunk.

Also, SkD? Wouldn't it be ShD? Confused, I am.

It only takes the killing of one preborn baby for me to overlook any good Planned Parenthood claims to do.

There could be a guy out there in the world handing out free coats to the homeless during winter, collecting 20 tons of canned goods for charity, building a dozen homes for disadvantaged families, dressing up as Santa and delivering free wrapped toys to children at orphanages, and one weekend out of the year randomly breaks into someone's home and stabs a baby... I'm really not going to give a squat about all the good he's done. He's still a wicked man.

They do one bad thing. However, that doesn't automatically negate the good.

We all screw up, and we all make mistakes. We're human, after all. The only being that is technically in fallible is that which you call God. So, stop trying to be perfect. Isn't gonna happen anytime soon.

Dan, Hitler did some good in his lifetime. Does the bad that he did negate the good that he did? I think so.

Cc 4:17, I agree completely!

They do one bad thing. However, that doesn't automatically negate the good.

We all screw up, and we all make mistakes. We're human, after all.

Ummm ... ONE bad thing? Seems to me that PP's primary mission is to kill babies for money. In fact an entire third of their income COMES from killing those babies.

That's NOT a "mistake." That's murder for hire!

But Skinhead, there's a difference between making a few mistakes, and intentionally marketing and promoting a service that makes up a hefty portion of their revenue. Planned Parenthood doesn't perform abortions in rare ocassions when they are not thinking correctly; they do them all the time (pending the capacity of the clinic to do them).

"StudentFL,
Great point. May I ask what you are studying?"

Thanks! Philosophy of Law with a minor in Print Journalism

"Great website StudentFL! Keep up the good work. You are our hope for the future."

Thanks! John-Paul has done a lot of great work to get SFLI where we are today, and we hope to increase the hits on our blog significantly within the next few years.

Ok, comparing PP to Hitler is just ridiculous, and considering that the last time I compared all of you zealots to the neo-nazi I got chewed out by my ex, I'm not gonna lower myself. However, do not ever, EVER make that comparison unless you are willing to accept the fallacies of your beliefs as well.

Didn't your false idol say "He who is without sin shall cast the first stone"? Hmmm, you're all casting stones, and you all belong to a group that has committed more atrocities than PP ever will. So, get off your high horse and stop acting like you're the chosen ones. Your ego is enough to choke on.

SkDan: Sarcasm not withstanding from your comments above, do you ever really think before you speak?

Do you always address people you don't know in that tone?

Besides, there's more than one side to every story. Ask Jill, Mk, Bethany, or Jasper. They've known me for a while, and Jill and MK met me in person. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor am I he who is without sin, but I'm not the racist hate-monger that most people paint me to be. Just think about it.

So you are special? No one called you a racist-hate-monger that I know of, at least not yet. :(

Thank you for your hard work and dedication to the pro-life cause! Stay strong!

Jeremiah: 4:46: Thank you for your hard work and dedication to the pro-life cause! Stay strong!

I checked out your blog; I like this article: http://thecookaccount.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-valuable-is-life.html

Typical response...Skinhead Dan...very typical...

You defend PP then you attack us when your moral relativism fails in the face of TRUTH.

And oh, I am a sinner, too just like everybody here...

Janet,

I address almost everyone that way. No offense really meant, but I'm pretty blunt with everything that I say, and subtlety is not my strong point. Plus, I see a lot of instant attack in those comments, and not too much thought.

As for the second part, I was trying to prove a point. A while back, HisMan and I would go at it pretty heavily, but nothing was ever said like that. The hate-monger comment is more in reference to the people who meet me in real life and don't understand me. Most people assume by image and by word of mouth. I was trying to prove that just because there is a bit of negativity, that doesn't mean that there is no positives whatsoever.

Look, believe what you want. To be honest, I'm in no mood to argue anymore, and pretty soon I'm not even going to be able to move without holding onto the floor to make sure I don't fall off the world. Have a good night, and God/Allah/Buddha/Ganesha/Johnny Cash bless.

Peace
Love
Unity

Skinhead Dan

you all belong to a group that has committed more atrocities than PP ever will.

Really? We've ended the lives of 50,000,000 babies for the past 35 years?

Good to know!

PP is the most successful PREVENTOR of abortion in the USA.

Ok, comparing PP to Hitler is just ridiculous, and considering that the last time I compared all of you zealots to the neo-nazi I got chewed out by my ex, I'm not gonna lower myself. However, do not ever, EVER make that comparison unless you are willing to accept the fallacies of your beliefs as well.
Posted by: Skinhead Dan at July 1, 2008 4:39 PM

What if I made the comparison? ;)

Only in your dreams, SoMG...only in your dreams....we call it a nightmare.

RSD, do me a favor. Please, for the love of Johnny Cash, either say something constructive or go play in traffic. Really. I'm not here to debate what is the truth. The truth is what we all believe, and this arguing is seriously never going to end. I feel like I'm screwing for virginity here.

Go read a book, have a beer/cigarette/cigar/soda/PB&J and chillax. This has been enough for one day.

Elizabeth, I think you're a great person, but please go read a history book. Look at the Crusades. Look at what Christians did to the Mayans. Look at what the pilgrims did to the continent of North America when they settled. I REST MY CASE.

Sure Skinhead...I will include you in my prayers that you have a change of heart...

PLA, go ahead and make the comparison, but have some good facts to back it up. I'd actually love to hear an argument that isn't coming from someone who is convinced they can save my soul from eternal damnation because I'm apparently a Godless heathen.

The deathcount from the Crusades plus all the dead from WW 1 thru Vietnam would not even come close to the millions of dead babies due to abortion.

And you defend PP, skinhead Dan?

You think about THAT.

SoMG @ 5:05 PM Are you on their payroll?

And what about all the people who kill in the name of God? The 6th commandment states THOU SHALT NOT KILL. I don't see any loop holes or exceptions.

Suck on that, RSD. I'm going to the bar and then going to work. If you can think of a good come-back to defend your people who kill and say they have the Lord's pardon, then let's hear it. Otherwise, stop talking to me. I just said that I was sick of arguing, SO STOP TRYING TO REOPEN THEM, YOU TROGOLODYTE!

What about them? They broke the law...there is such a thing as justice.

You go and have a beer...
But that won't change a thing.

And..I'm not here to save your soul...I cannot do that...I am here to stand for LIFE, like the rest of the Pro-Lifers here.

SkDanyou all belong to a group that has committed more atrocities than PP ever will.

Elizabeth(Gabriella's Momma) 5:02: Really? We've ended the lives of 50,000,000 babies for the past 35 years?

Good to know!

SkDan: 5:18; Elizabeth, I think you're a great person, but please go read a history book. Look at the Crusades. Look at what Christians did to the Mayans. Look at what the pilgrims did to the continent of North America when they settled. I REST MY CASE.

I didn't know we were on trial. :o|

This video really hits the nail on the head.

What came to mind as I watched the video is how PP Corprorate Execs sit in board meetings and listen to accountants glorify their bottom line and how these execs don't feel one tinge of conscience.

If they had any courage whatsoever, they'd leave the heinous orgnanization they are employed by. I pity these murderers as God will have the last word and it won't be very pretty. I know where He's going to be sticking those BMW 325i's.

"Tell me SkD...IF I provide my family with food shelter, clothing, medical coverage...but I abuse my kids and spouse 3% of the time...am I considered a good person?"

Well why are you hypothetically abusing your kids? And what do you consider abuse?

"Dan, Hitler did some good in his lifetime. Does the bad that he did negate the good that he did? I think so."

No it doesn't negate it, it's just, wow he did a lot of really evil things. That overshadows the good, but I wouldn't say it erases it.

CC, 4:17pm,
Why would this guy randomly break into peoples homes and stab their babies? PP is only aborting babies people ask them to abort. So the people would be asking this guy to break into their homes and stab their baby. I'm guessing he's a pretty trusting guy, and he probably has a trouble saying no. Maybe he convinced himself it's good?

Dan,
Why are you back here? Weren't you banned?
You always tended to come here when you had been drinking.

You throw insults at the bloggers here almost immediately all while talking in incessent circles, then you usually say you have had enough, have a tantrum and then leave for say a nano-second, then come back to throw more insults and write in incessent circles again.

I am sure you will be back later when you are really on your bender. You will get more mean and nasty, your thoughts will get more inane, then you will talk in faster circles, throw more
tantrums and then sleep it off, come back the next day, maybe with some apologies, and start all over again.
Gee, I can hardly wait.

Chris A, no, I do not work for PP. (Full disclosure: I volunteered for them when I was a pre-med.) It's just a fact that they are the most successful preventors of abortion in the USA today. They provide the cheapest possible contraceptives and thereby prevent sexually active women from becoming pregnant when they don't want to.

To understand what happens when contraceptives are not available, read about life in the USSR in the 1980s. It was not unusual to meet YOUNG women with ten or more abortions in their histories. Contraceptives were not illegal but they were unavailable because of the dysfunctional economy. For an ordinary citizen to acquire something like a toothbrush took considerable networking and usually involved breaking the law in some way. (It was illegal to sell something for more than you paid for it--the crime was called "speculatsia".) Condoms were not available even in the special stores accessible only to foreigners. (I suspect they were probably available in the stores accessible to members of the Communist Party, but I can't say for sure.)

What happens when contraceptives are not available is what happened prior to the 1930's - women had their babies! That's what happens you dufus!
And they think twice before having sex outside of marriage, and committing adultery when married. You know the moral code society use to have, that worked and kept families together and men from running off with every dame he got the hots for.
That's what happens when there's no contraceptives.
And then there's no sex ed classes for the 8 and 9 year olds. They get taught about the birds and the bees by their parents who also pass on their values and encourage their kids to wait until marriage.

"That's what happens you dufus!"

Name calling isn't nice and it isn't productive Patricia.

In Victorian England it was actually encouraged that men visit brothels or prostitutes as to not defile their wives. Sex was seen as something a normal women wouldn't enjoy, this is why it was only used to produce children. Men on the other hand were expected to want sex, and thus it was over looked when they strayed from their wives.

I feel that the sexual revolution changed that. Now we know it is not unnatural or unhealthy for a woman to enjoy sex as much as a man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Victorian_era

I wouldn't want to be this repressed. Not that I consider being a housewife repressed, I would just rather have a choice.

Jess: no but it is considered healthy and normal for a woman to sleep with every man she meets and to kill her unborn baby should her contraception fail.
That's progress, I don't think so Jess.
It's barbarism.

http://www.umd.umich.edu/casl/hum/eng/classes/434/geweb/Spinster.htm

"Victorian society believed that while a woman, again due to her prescribed virtues, did not have sexual impulses, that a man did most often, sometimes even before he was married. Thus, a part of a woman's role becomes saving the man "from himself and his carnal appetites" (Basch 9)."

SoMG said

They provide the cheapest possible contraceptives and thereby prevent sexually active women from becoming pregnant when they don't want to.

You can say that again! What's their failure rate, based on Consumer Reports?

Wonder why....?

Patricia, really who sleeps with every man she meets? You would think at least one guy would say no.

It is natural to want sex, maybe even to want it with multiple partners. Also I know it's natural for woman's bodies to miscarriage for various reasons which may also be environmental (being really stressed because of something). Our bodies usually know what we can and can't handle, now our minds know too, and that's why we have abortion.

Actually, what's happening in Russia is heartbreaking all around.

I know all about it.

I had a friend who was facing an unplanned pregnancy. She decided to get an abortion but before she went in for the procedure she miscarried. Her body knew she wasn't ready for a baby, and she knew it too.

really who sleeps with every man she meets? You would think at least one guy would say no.

:: laughing ::

Jess, you rule. There's nobody like you.

Aw I couldn't do it without you guys : )

SK Dan,

Hate to break it to you AGAIN, but you can get your point across without being abusive.

Cool it with the temper and the language, and we can actually experience the Peace, Love, and Unity that you wish upon us.

Bringing up old laundry about a particular religion isn't serving a purpose other than to get folks riled up.

Keep it civil.

Let's see, we were talking about Lenscrafters and Planned Parenthood...

carder, then why bring up old things about PP? Like Margaret Sanger?

"Let's see, we were talking about Lenscrafters and Planned Parenthood..."

My Grandma just had surgery on one of her caderacs now she has to wear special sunglasses outside and use expensive eye drops. But we still manage to have fun.

Our bodies usually know what we can and can't handle, now our minds know too, and that's why we have abortion.

Posted by: Jess at July 1, 2008 7:47 PM

No. We have abortion because women and men today have no morals and are selfish. We have abortion because after their contraception fails, their true selfish nature is revealed and they sacrifice their babies on the altar of convenience. They don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Instead the baby dies.
You could say our minds tell us what we can't do, but that is really our minds rationalizing the decision to kill the innocent baby. In fact, our minds and bodies are designed to handle alot more than apparently the wimpy 21st century women seem to think they can.

Patricia we aren't being selfish, we are being assertive. Its something men have been doing for a long time. Also I live with the motto that God helps those who help themselves. I'm not just going to sit around meekly and let other decide how my life goes.

Oh but that is exactly what you are doing for the unborn child, Jess. You are unilateraly deciding that the baby can't live. Even the father doesn't have a say in whether his child lives. How is this being assertive. It's called tyranny.
There is never a reason for abortion Jess. The only reasons are selfish ones.

really who sleeps with every man she meets? You would think at least one guy would say no.

Apparently, not, given the way many young women behave today. Especially on university campuses and apparently not in some high schools either.

Patricia,
You rock!!!

Jess,
About your theory on miscarriage.....how do you explain miscarriage to a woman who has been hoping waiting and praying for a baby?? huh? huh?

Her body, mind a soul couldn't handle it?
Please inform me Jess of your immature take on miscarriage.

I'm sorry Jess, but assertive?? Please. Are you considering the use of abortion to be assertive? It's a cop-out. Plain and simple.

What about being assertive and saying "NO" unless the guy has two condoms ready at hand?

How about being assertive enough to remember taking a birth control pill at the same time everyday to prevent a pregnancy?

How about being assertive with your own emotions and say "NO" to sex with a guy you just met and have the "hots" for.

How about being assertive and standing up for the unborn since their lazy unassertive "mother" didn't bother to take precautions before her night of a crazy hook-up with the really cute guy she met in the bar after a few too many?

Womens' minds' know when they can handle abortion?
How do you explain this to all of the women with regrets, are suicidal, or suffer depression for the rest of their lives because of their decision.

Abortion also leads to parents, husbands, boyfriends and friends emotionally blackmailing women into abortion because it is what is best for them and not the woman.

You know, Laura, something told me you wouldn't go down without a fight.

Try not to be so obvious next time.

"About your theory on miscarriage.....how do you explain miscarriage to a woman who has been hoping waiting and praying for a baby?? huh? huh?"

Obviously their bodies couldn't handle it. Have sex or not, but expect me to want it, whatever it is. The man does have a say, he had sex with her. He knows it's legal for her to abort. And there are a lot of tyrannical women with children who expect everyone to bow to them because they had a baby.

Well Jess, Charity Man may have thought he was doing something good. The parents of the baby think he's doing something good. The result is still the same -- a murdered baby.

Believe it or not folks- bad people occasionally do good things. However, this does not excuse their bad behavior, nor does it "balance it out".

I wouldn't exactly say Planned Parenthood does or has done anything really superb, considering how poorly they pay those they hire to "prevent" abortions (by educating and helping girls who are already pregnant seek financial aide and support).

Instead they pay their head honchos insane amounts of money- and they are benefiting from the increased numbers in abortions. How? They are benefitting because the people they claim to desire to hire to help girls who are either pregnant or are having unprotected sex which will lead to pregnancy at some point in time end up not taking those jobs because the pay is paltry compared to that of Cecile Richards.

Not only that, but Planned Parenthood has been shown to have paltry, at best, free contraception. A Consumer Reports report (don't you just love repeating words? It's kind of like saying "that that"- drives me batty, anywho, pardon the digression) clearly showed that Planned Parenthood brand condoms were the poorest performing (broke easily, among other things, etc).

That doesn't exactly add up to wanting to truly prevent abortions- doling out poorly made condoms- which ought to make any self-respecting individual in this universe contemplate what exactly is going on here.

Janet thank you for your encouragement. That helps inspire me to continue writing.

Jeremiah: You are welcome. Keep fighting for Life! God bless you.

Obviously their bodies couldn't handle it. Have sex or not, but expect me to want it, whatever it is. The man does have a say, he had sex with her. He knows it's legal for her to abort. And there are a lot of tyrannical women with children who expect everyone to bow to them because they had a baby.

Posted by: Jess at July 1, 2008 8:38 PM

Jess,
Your theory makes no sense. Women who miscarry often get pregnant within a short time of their miscarriage.

You want sex "whatever it is"? Where were you going with that statement?

Men have a say? How so? Again you make no sense. Your mantra is that the woman is the only one who should decide what happens to the baby. Women often don't even tell the father (if they know who it) is that they are pregnant.

Men can be "assertive" and beg a woman not to abort and it won't make any difference.

Hahaha, I love when people talk about wanting to go back to the "Good Ole Days" when people had morals and were decent and never had sex and blah blah blah...

That's how you can tell they've been reading too much historical fiction and not enough of the actual history.

Why thank you Sandy!

[i]PP is the most successful PREVENTOR of abortion in the USA.
Posted by: SoMG at July 1, 2008 5:05 PM[/i]

I didn't know it was April Fool's Day? They abort at least 200,000 babies a year, that's not prevention.

(I can't get HTML to work -- how do I do italics or bold?)

Liz
for italics use an i inside these brackets
for bold use a b inside the brackets

sorry i didn't finish:
at the end of the passage u wish to bold or italicize you must place a

oh you've got it, I didn't notice what you'd done in your post except just use the brackets I showed you

How is the largest abortion provider in the U.S. the largest abortion preventer? That is THE dumbest thing.

no Edyt...the people who make those statements about the "Good Ole Days' are the ones who actually LIVED in that era. They (we) weren't reading "historical fiction".

blah blah blah yourself.

Hahaha, I love when people talk about wanting to go back to the "Good Ole Days" when people had morals and were decent and never had sex and blah blah blah...

Edyt: If you visit a nursing home and talk to some lonely 85 year olds, they'll tell you all about the good 'ole days. It would be a great story. You are one of the more cynical people I've ever (kind of) known! We need to find you a romantic guy to fall in love with. :o)

As a Time Lord, I've had a lot of experience going back and fixing things that went wrong in the alleged "good ol' days."

Trust me, as I'm The Doctor- the good ol' days were never as good as people seem to "remember".

Time Lord? There is plenty of fixin' to do here and now. And the past was better. Less babies were getting sucked from their mother's womb in bloody pieces.

I place my trust in my Saviour and my Lord, Jesus Christ. Though heaven and earth may pass away, Jesus' words will not pass away.

The word's Jesus spoke to the disciple whom he loved as he was dying on the cross:
"Behold your mother."

And to his mother he said:
"Woman, behold your son."

Planned Parenthood will not sneak into my suburb without notice. There is currently no Planned Parenthoods in the North Shore area but I am pre-empting them with my
"Planned Parenthood Lies to You" sign.
And my "Planned Parenthood Kills Babies"
And my white crosses in memory of babies aborted while I prayed outside the abortuary. It causes quite a stir. But it is the stirring of the Holy Spirit shining a light on the depraved actions of this "woman's health" clinic. The Lord will not be mocked and I am a servant of the Lord. Let it be done to me according to His word.

Oh Sacred Heart of Jesus Have mercy on us and on the whole world.

"Edyt: If you visit a nursing home and talk to some lonely 85 year olds, they'll tell you all about the good 'ole days. It would be a great story. You are one of the more cynical people I've ever (kind of) known! We need to find you a romantic guy to fall in love with. :o)"

Those old ladies are awesome and always tell the best story. A close friend of mine, my "adopted Grandma" will be 95 this September. I asked her if people ever drank during Prohibition. She said, "Did we drink? We made our own wine."

The thing that makes those stories so precious and worth seeking out is that once those old people are gone, so is our opportunity to hear about the olden times. My dad passed away six years ago. I miss not being able to ask my Dad about stuff.

I'm sorry truthseeker.

Thanks Jess. Saddness is part of love, kind of an oxymoron.

What was Steve Trombleys infamous line? I didn't catch it in the video.

The Doctor, you wrote: "A Consumer Reports report ... clearly showed that Planned Parenthood brand condoms were the poorest performing (broke easily, among other things, etc)."

Yes, PP's condoms are a little bit worse than other condoms, but there's not that much difference among condoms. PP's are still very reliable even though a little less so than others.

Cranky Catholic, you wrote: "How is the largest abortion provider in the U.S. the largest abortion preventer? "

They supply inexpensive contraceptives to sexually active women, and thereby prevent unwanted pregnancies, which prevents abortions.

This should not be surprising--most medical specialists prevent the indications they treat. Cardiologists prevent, as well as treating, heart disease. Trauma specialists prevent, as well as treating, trauma (for instance by advising accidental gunshot victims to get rid of their guns). And abortion docs prevent abortion by providing contraceptive counselling to patients after their abortions, thereby preventing repeat abortions.

Patricia, you wrote: "What happens when contraceptives are not available is what happened prior to the 1930's - women had their babies!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ROTFL. Abortion has been around since Ancient Greece and before.

"And they think twice before having sex outside of marriage, and committing adultery when married."

Nope. Back then it was not possible to prove, or in most cases even to determine, paternity, remember? Your husband would just think the baby was his.

Trying to prevent extramarital sex by getting rid of contraceptives would be like trying to prevent car accidents by getting rid of trauma surgeons. If there were no trauma surgeons to take care of car-accident victims, people would drive more carefully, right? (sarcasm)

SoMG: Trauma specialists prevent, as well as treating, trauma (for instance by advising accidental gunshot victims to get rid of their guns).

Have to laugh - I can imagine.

"Zeke, this is the third time. The third time for your right foot alone... Do you see a pattern here?"

Jess: really who sleeps with every man she meets? You would think at least one guy would say no.

Patricia: Apparently, not, given the way many young women behave today. Especially on university campuses and apparently not in some high schools either.

Have you been in a junior high school or "middle school" lately?

Trust me, as I'm The Doctor- the good ol' days were never as good as people seem to "remember".

Well said. My grandmothers were/are from the 1910's and my mom and aunts are from the 30's and 40's. No desire at all there to "go back."

The thing that makes those stories so precious and worth seeking out is that once those old people are gone, so is our opportunity to hear about the olden times. My dad passed away six years ago. I miss not being able to ask my Dad about stuff.

RIGHT ON, Truthseeker. And now it's easy (in this digital age) to preserve it all - the stories, the pictures, etc. It's that "seeking out" part we have to work on.

My granma is very happy I don't have to put up with the things she and her sisters had to.

SoMG,
I am tired. Extremely tired of you here espousing the wonders of abortion and hearing you go on and on about procedure and actually sounding PROUD that you kill for a living. You seem giddy in fact that you suck babies out of their mothers bodies for a price.

Legalized abortion is based on a lie. The lie that abortion somehow is good for women, helps women, empowers women. It does none of those things. Abortion hurts, kills and maims.

The lie behind the abortion industry and the lies that you perpetuate here will not stand.

Dear Lord,
Have mercy on our souls. I pray for the hearts and souls of this nation. Change minds Lord that all will welcome life from conception to natural death. The covenant with death and the alignment with evil that is abortion, will not stand. They will both be overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony. I believe in you and promises.
Amen

Carla, if you're tired, my medical advice to you is: go to sleep.

Seriously, though, I'm sorry that learning about abortion bothers you. I thought that since you CARE about abortion, you would be grateful to LEARN about it. Don't most people who care about something want to know all they can about it???

I had one. I know enough.

Have you been in a junior high school or "middle school" lately?

Posted by: Doug at July 2, 2008 6:37 AM

I work some of my shifts in a hs Doug. You'd be surprised what you hear students discussing in the library.
I also have 2 children in hs, one now leaving and another entering. I know what goes on from their perspective too.
Thirdly, I have a child in gr 6 (middle school in the US?). Not so bad as the school is very small and rural. Very good teachers. No bullying, virtually no sex ed (yeah), no violence. God is good!

Carla: you do not have to engage SoMG. Please don't allow her to bait you.

For example her post as 6:20am is simply filled with stupid comments. We all know abortion and contraception have been around since ancient times. As have adultery and premarital sex.

However, SoMG knows that society had restraints on all these activities for the good of it's citizens, families and the stability of society. Only pagan societies partook liberally of these things. This was one of the great accomplishments of Christianity. However since we now live in a post-Christian world, pagan practices have come back into vogue. Hence abortion, contraception, adultery, polygamy, homosexuality etc. But the legalizing of contraception has initiated this downward spiral.

So you see Carla, SoMG is really nothing more than a pagan witch doctor. She pretends to be very enlightened, altruistic, and caring. But her skills are exclusively to kill and to destroy. She even pretends to care!

If she cared, how could SoMG write and ask you to LEARN about abortion! You had an abortion - how much more SoMG do you think Carla would need to learn.

God bless you Carla! :-D

Carla, if you care about something, then you can never know "enough" about it.

I'm glad to see that SoMG acknowledges the connection of contraception to abortion. You can't have one without the other. Because if the I-don't-want-a-baby contraception fails, you have to have the I-don't-want-a-baby abortion. And this makes abortion as birth control, which even some pro-aborts claim is would be wrong.

Carla, if you care about something, then you can never know "enough" about it.

Posted by: SoMG at July 2, 2008 8:34 AM

Not in this case SoMG. Personal experience is the best teacher. Carla had that.

Show some sensitivity and compassion for a fellow human. I know it's hard, but just try. We all want to try to like you, but when you behave in this coarse and cruel manner, it's hard to think of you in any way but creepy.

Not everyone takes killing babies as lightly as you do. You've demonstrated how insensitive abortion has made you.

Hi Patricia,
Thank you. I appreciate what you wrote very much.

Carla; hey thank YOU!

"Have you been in a junior high school or "middle school" lately?"

Patricia: I work some of my shifts in a hs Doug. You'd be surprised what you hear students discussing in the library.

Yeah - you'd mentioned college and high school; I had to laugh ruefully and think that it goes even younger than that at times.

I once worked in a rather tough section of Philadelphia, and was amazed at the brutal, even "adult" language from some of the kids. Not to mention some of the clothes..... This one skinny little dude of about 8 years old must have been wearing pants with a waste size of 60 inches.
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I have a child in gr 6 (middle school in the US?). Not so bad as the school is very small and rural. Very good teachers. No bullying, virtually no sex ed (yeah), no violence. God is good!

Hopefully not too much sex, either, right?

When I was in school, yes, in the dim and distant past, we had "Junior High School" which was only grades 7 and 8. Other than that it was "Elementary" and "High School."

It varies - some places have junior high or middle school as 7, 8, and 9, or as 6, 7, and 8. Makes mathematical sense to me that "middle" would be the four grades from 5 to 8, and I see now that some are that way, and that my old Junior High of 7 and 8 is quite rare in the US.

Wikipedia: In 1965 only 5 percent of middle-grades schools in the United States were 6 - 8 or 5 - 8 middle schools, and 67 percent were 7 - 9 junior high schools. By the year 2000 these percentages were reversed: only 5 percent of middle-grades schools were 7 - 9 junior highs and 69 percent were 6 - 8 or 5 - 8 middle schools.

SoMG,

Do you personally know any former abortion docs who discontinued performing abortions because of personal reasons?

It would seem that given the enormous amount of criticism any given abortion doc would garner (I'm not saying specifically you), it would take a certain mindset, a certain resolve to continue in a practice that is an emotional flashpoint.

For you, personally, what keeps you going back to the office day after day? Is it a paycheck? Do you see it as a duty to fulfill? Do you see yourself as part of a larger picture for reproductive rights?

I implore all of you to keep me in mind whenever you feel like hurling insults at contraceptive couples. I like it here, I really do, but your assumptions about couples that use contraceptives are just flat-out wrong, and somewhat hurtful. I don't cheat on my husband, neither does he cheat on me. I've had a contraceptive method fail on me in the past and I'm glad it did, because now I have my daughter, and I wouldn't harm her, or trade her for anything. Just because you use or have used contraceptives does not mean you condone the killing of your offspring, ever. I just rather not have as many kids as some of you do. Please, find some understanding in your hearts.

And S.H.D. (oh, what an appropriate abbreviation. hehe):

Just as I do not like other pro-lifers making assumptions about couples who use contraceptives automatically killing any kids who slip through, I don't like pro-choicers assuming all pro-life people are religious.

And, I also have some Cherokee indian on my dad's side, and am half mexican because of my mom, so if you want to play "holier-than-thou" because of lineage, bring it on, baby.

Although, I do feel ya there about people judging by looks. People who look at me and see facial piercings, a spiked collar, dark make-up, and a "Party like a rockstar" t-shirt and automatically assuming I'm a liberal pro-choicer gets old. *grin*

The thing that makes those stories so precious and worth seeking out is that once those old people are gone, so is our opportunity to hear about the olden times. My dad passed away six years ago. I miss not being able to ask my Dad about stuff.

RIGHT ON, Truthseeker. And now it's easy (in this digital age) to preserve it all - the stories, the pictures, etc. It's that "seeking out" part we have to work on.

Posted by: Doug at July 2, 2008 6:51 AM
Jess, Doug has a point there. Better bring along the camcorder next time you strike up a conversation with Grandma. I am pretty sure that some day you would be happy that you did.

Put a spiked collar on Grandma and roll the cameras....

The good ol days that are spoken of with fondness I believe have a lot do do with the culture. It used to be that families, schools and relatives helped each other raise children. If the principal called home, you were in BIG TROUBLE. People used to live closer to extended family. Now parents sue schools, schools teach much, much more than the three R's and music, movies and video games are at war with the morals of parents for the hearts and minds of their children.
Why?
Children are the future.

I wouldn't mind being Caroline Ingalls once in awhile.

I make this generalization about all contracepting couples: couples use contraceptives because at that moment they don't want a baby.

I make this generalization about all contracepting couples: couples use contraceptives because at that moment they don't want a baby.

Posted by: Cranky Catholic at July 2, 2008 10:49 AM

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Then you lack the capacity to distinguish between what is a want, and what is a need, and if you cannot grasp that, there's really not much I can tell you.

I WANT a jet ski. I cannot afford that jet ski, I do not have the time to devote to working on it, should it need that sort of attention, and I don't have the means to keep it properly insured and fueled. That does not mean I wouldn't gladly accept a jet ski and scrape a little money together if someone said, "Hey, I have to get rid of this jet ski for cheap or my wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend/mother/father is going to get fed up with me and give it away to someone I don't know or sell it for scrap."

If you can't understand this simple anology, oh well.

It works better with a puppy.

Ok...I WANT a puppy. One day, while volunteering at the local animal shelter, I find the most adorable puppy I've ever seen, and love it immediately. I currently don't have the resources for this puppy squared away, but unless I take this puppy, and adopt it and give it a home, it will be killed. I will make the time and effort for it...I will cut back on studying so I can spend time with it, and cut back on my cell phone bill even though that's how I talk to my husband so I can afford it. My life would be better without making those sacrifices for a puppy I want but don't need, but if it comes down to the safety and well-being of this puppy, I'll do it.

Contraceptives would just be like me not volunteering at the shelter, and someone else taking my place, and maybe this person would be you, and you would have the resources and time for this puppy without having to sacrifice so much.

Get it?

xalisae; I don't mean to imply that all contracepting couples would cheat on one another
The problem with contraception as I see it is this:
because the generative capacity of sex is removed when contraception is used this means that sex is viewed in a different way than it was prior to contraception. it's not just for babies and the mutual pleasure of your spouse anymore, it's almost entirely viewed as a recreational activity. This is not for what it was solely intended.
For the most part, prior to contraception, sex was considered to be something very sacred that was done with only your husband/wife.
It's true that there were couples who got pregnant before marriage and there were spouses who cheated on one another etc. prior to contraception becoming legal.
However, it was not condoned by society, and for the most part people were encouraged to wait until marriage. They were also not encouraged to have affairs outside of marriage either.

This is not true today. Since contraception, the general sexual morals of people have declined. It is not uncommon for women and men to have had many sexual partners prior to marriage.
This had led to children born outside of marriage, many single moms, high rates of abortion and in fact the legalization of abortion because now we need something to remove the unwanted pregnancies that result from contraceptive failures, high rates of STD's, high rates of divorce and so forth.
Human nature being what it is, if a man knows he can be with a woman and she's on the pill, he's gonna have sex with her.
Maybe before, he might have thought twice about a sexual liaison if there were no contraceptives.

You may disagree with me but the stats do show that compared with pre 1930's, there are less marriages, more single mothers, more divorce, more STD's, more abortions now.

"...the stats do show that compared with pre 1930's, there are less marriages, more single mothers, more divorce, more STD's, more abortions now."
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Agreed, Patricia...but I'm almost sure(given the mentality of pro-aborts) somebody would say "that's modern progress".

And I'm saying that not all those things are as bad as you seem to think they are. I got pregnant with my daughter before my husband and I were married. Marriage was never really that important to him, and even though I would've liked to have gotten married, I was happy to be with him, and if it didn't bother him, it didn't bother me. I don't feel any differently about the security and closeness of our relationship after we signed the papers than I did before, and both he and I feel pretty _______ secure, even after 2 tours in Iraq. I don't see any difference between our son who was born after we were married and our daughter who was born before...it's just not a big deal. We have a healthy sexual relationship, and always have. It's not the primary factor for us, but it's something that we BOTH enjoy (aside from computers and gaming...I mean, it's not the only thing), and it helps to keep us close.

And divorce was uncommon before, but I don't think that's a good thing. You just had more women languishing in abusive or dysfunctional relationships, with more kids that they had to stay in those relationships for, because there was no contraception. You all are trying to lay blame with contraception when it's not the fault of contraception. It's the women themselves, if you ask me. A woman who values herself FIRST and comes into a relationship with a man with an attitude of "I don't need you, so take it or leave it." she's not going to get locked into a terrible situation feeling dependent on a man who treats her badly, because a.) if they do strike up a relationship, she'll see he's crap and she can and will leave, b.) he won't be attracted to her in the first place, because he'll know he can't manipulate and abuse her, so that fish won't bite on a baitless hook anyway.

You guys are all just looking for a scapegoat that isn't there. It isn't sex ed. in schools, it's the families. It isn't contraception, it's the upbringing and attitudes of women and to a lesser degree, men (because women don't realize that WE are the ones with the power. We really are! It's GREAT!). It's not abortion, it's the lack of respect a woman has for HERSELF...I guess it's just easier to pin blame on a concept or an inanimate object or a procedure than it is to say "People have problems, let's fix them.", because we don't know the easy answer of how to fix those problems.

And no, I am not a liberal pro-abort. :/

But now I have to go get ready for my trip to California to show off the new baby to the folks. I'll be gone for 9 days, so I don't know how often I'll be around here, but I have my mobile and a lot of extra time to do nothing when I'm breastfeeding the baby, so I'll pop in now and again, I'm sure. Take care, everyone.

Much love for you all

Although, I do feel ya there about people judging by looks. People who look at me and see facial piercings, a spiked collar, dark make-up, and a "Party like a rockstar" t-shirt and automatically assuming I'm a liberal pro-choicer gets old. *grin*

Posted by: xalisae at July 2, 2008 9:55 AM

You need to get a few Pro-life T-shirts!!!! They would really complete your look, and no more wrong assumptions! :0)

Much love for you all
Posted by: xalisae at July 2, 2008 1:28 PM

Have a nice trip. Stay safe!

And no, I am not a liberal pro-abort. :/

But now I have to go get ready for my trip to California to show off the new baby to the folks. I'll be gone for 9 days, so I don't know how often I'll be around here, but I have my mobile and a lot of extra time to do nothing when I'm breastfeeding the baby, so I'll pop in now and again, I'm sure. Take care, everyone.

Much love for you all

I wouldn't mind being Caroline Ingalls once in awhile.

Posted by: Carla at July 2, 2008 10:46 AM

Wouldn't you get bored mending socks and singing the same songs every night while Pa played his fiddle? :)

Woo! Double post FTW!

And yeah, I've been pricing some pro-life shirts, and need to make some too. ;)

Thanks Janet, you too.

Dear Lord,
Have mercy on our souls. I pray for the hearts and souls of this nation. Change minds Lord that all will welcome life from conception to natural death. The covenant with death and the alignment with evil that is abortion, will not stand. They will both be overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony. I believe in you and promises.
Amen
Posted by: Carla at July 2, 2008 6:56 AM

Nice, Carla. Amen.

What was Steve Trombleys infamous line? I didn't catch it in the video.

Posted by: truthseeker at July 2, 2008 1:45 AM

From the WSJ: "I like to think of it as the LensCrafters of family planning," Steve Trombley, the top executive in IL, said as he toured an express center a few doors down from a hair salon and a Japanese restaurant in the well-to-do suburb of Schaumburg, IL.

""I like to think of it as the LensCrafters of family planning," Steve Trombley"
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Yeah..he would love to think it..unfortunately reality gets in the way. PP is still an abortuary
no matter what he thinks.

have a safe trip X!

Janet,
If I were bored maybe I would make soap, butter or wash the clothes on the washboard. :)

Have a great trip, X!! Take care of those babies!!

Carla: 3:09: Janet,
If I were bored maybe I would make soap, butter or wash the clothes on the washboard. :)

You must be a domestic goddess! How was you trip?

I prefer domestic engineer but I like goddess too!! :)

Trip was awesome, show went well and I am now processing all of the people I met and their abortion stories....very hard. God gets all the glory for His grace and forgiveness in the midst of such pain and regret!!

Carla:You're a goddess? Me too! :-D

Steve Trombley's line indicates that PP is a MINIMAL-COST provider.

What's "infamous" about that?

If you visit a nursing home and talk to some lonely 85 year olds, they'll tell you all about the good 'ole days. It would be a great story. You are one of the more cynical people I've ever (kind of) known! We need to find you a romantic guy to fall in love with. :o)

Janet, I have, and I've also heard some of the not-so-happy stories. A lot of people went through hard times, made bad choices, and made the best of it, the same as we do now.

But ... I would never want to return to an age when women were shamed and sent away for being unwed and pregnant. I would never want to return to an age when people were forced to stay in abusive relationships because they couldn't get a divorce. I would never want to return to an age when women weren't expected to have opinions, or enjoy sex, or make something of herself (other than nurse or secretary). I would never want to return to an age when only white men had liberty and power, as dictated by law. I would never want to live in a culture that encouraged the suppression of gays and lesbians and forced people to hide their love.

And I have a very lovely boyfriend whom I'm quite happy with, thank you.

truthseeker,

Trombley's first infamous line was regarding PP Aurora:
From the Chicago Tribune, July 27, 2007......
"Frankly, I'm surprised we were able to keep it a secret for so long," said Steve Trombley, president and chief executive officer of Planned Parenthood/Chicago Area.... "We didn't want anything to interfere with the opening... and, at this point, I don't anticipate anything will stop that from happening."
The $7.5 million facility at 240 N. Oakhurst Drive... is scheduled to open Sept. 18.... Private donors contributed $5 million toward its construction.

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/09/deconstructing_1.html

What Edyt said. Things may have been "better" back in the day, but I wouldn't want to live...then. Even if you paid me.

My take on what's going on is quite different than ALL's. I think that Planned Parenthood is waiting for "universal healthcare" to kick in. Right now abortionists can price themselves out to the abortion market. If they charge too much a young woman will decide to have her child. But, if and when universal healthcare kicks in there will be no limit to how much an abortion mill can charge for murdering an innocent child.

I believe that is why they are marketing to the upper classes. They need to capture that market now before universal healthcare kicks in so no one else can cash in on them.
Jo

that's my fear, Jo. That's why I DON'T want Universal Health Care. I don't want to be forced to pay for abortions or birth control or "ED" drugs or anything that's part of the culture of Death.

Jo, and Liz,
Amen!

Jo, you wrote: "If they charge too much a young woman will decide to have her child."

Abortion docs could raise their fees tenfold and still be cheaper than childbirth.

You wrote: "But, if and when universal healthcare kicks in there will be no limit to how much an abortion mill can charge for murdering an innocent child. "

What are you, kidding? If/when universal health care kicks in, medical compensation schedules will be set by the government.

You wrote: "But, if and when universal healthcare kicks in there will be no limit to how much an abortion mill can charge for murdering an innocent child. "

What are you, kidding? If/when universal health care kicks in, medical compensation schedules will be set by the government.

Posted by: SoMG at July 2, 2008 10:05 PM

This is not necessarily true SoMG. We have free standing abortion clinics in Canada and they can charge whatever they wish. The government doesn't set the fee.
BTW, Morgentaler's clinics gross $10 Million in profits each and every year.

Put a spiked collar on Grandma and roll the cameras....

Posted by: Doug at July 2, 2008 10:43 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of let grandma say her piece (do her thing) and save it for posterity.

Liz, you wouldn't actually pay for it; you'd save money because of it.

Really, Patricia? Whatever they wish? What would happen if they tried to charge ten million dollars?

SoMG said "Abortion docs could raise their fees tenfold and still be cheaper than childbirth."

If that were true abortions would be tenfold higher than they are right now. They are not because they know that they can price themselves right out of business.

What are you, kidding? If/when universal health care kicks in, medical compensation schedules will be set by the government.

Exactly, and abortion is the sacred cow that will endowed with unending money. Plenty of that money goes to politicians to keep them in office.
Jo

No, I wouldn't. I refuse to let my tax $ go to an organization that pretends to help women with "low cost health services" but their real goal is to get teenagers addicted to a promiscuous lifestyle.

Amen, Liz!!

I have done a bit of research and it appears that abortions done in free standing clinics in Canada are fully funded by our health care system.
The following provinces have few or no abortion services: Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Manitoba. Much to the chagrin and loud bleating of radical feminists.

Having said that, the federal government defers to the provincial governments as to what medical procedures may be funded by the province. Abortion is not considered a medically necessary procedure by either Health Canada or the Medical Act of Canada. Despite protests from large numbers of Canadians against funding and due to the influence of the liberal elite in Canada, this procedure is fully funded.
If Morgentaler, by his own admission, makes $10 million per year on abortions, one wonders just how much our medical care pays for abortions in our country of Canada.
We have no dental coverage for kids, but we can have the state pay to kill them if we so desire.
Is this the bevy of choices you were talking about SoMG?

"What are you, kidding? If/when universal health care kicks in, medical compensation schedules will be set by the government."

Jo: 6:53: Exactly, and abortion is the sacred cow that will endowed with unending money. Plenty of that money goes to politicians to keep them in office.

Excellent point, Jo.

SoMG, I can't believe you are surprised that PP would have a great influence in setting rates with Universal Healthcare in place.

Jo, are you Jo Scott? If yes, I am curious to know, do you feel safe when you are alone with your looney husband?

Liz, you described PP as an "...organization that pretends to help women with "low cost health services" but their real goal is to get teenagers addicted to a promiscuous lifestyle. "

So then why do they send people into high schools with the message that the only sure way to avoid unwanted pregnancy and STIs is abstinance?

You're either a liar or a nut.

Liar or Nut? Sheesh, weren't you taught to be nice to people?

Lets see.......their site for teens gives answers that are shocking to many people. They encourage teens to view pornography,etc.

Abstinence IS the only way to avoid 99.9% of STDs. HIV can be transmitted two other ways. Planned Parenthood doesn't like Abstinence because when its taught right -- telling of the emotional consequences of premartial sex, they lose potential customers -- and $$$$.

Well here's another gem about PP and how they tried to convince a court that telling women they were aborting a "whole, separate, unique, living human being" would cause the abortionist harm!

Abortionists in South Dakota Now Required to Admit Abortion Kills a "Whole, Separate, Unique, Living Human Being"

SIOUX FALLS, SD, July 3, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, in a 7-4 decision, will allow South Dakota to begin enforcing a state law that requires abortion providers to tell women, in writing, that the abortion procedure "will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being." In Planned Parenthood v. Rounds, the Court vacated a temporary injunction that had been issued by the trial court, which had blocked the law from going into effect.

The opinion addresses the important issue of whether South Dakota can enforce its 2005 informed consent law while the constitutionality of its requirements is litigated in court. Much of the opinion discusses whether the statement, "abortion will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being," is truthful, not misleading and relevant to women's decisions to obtain abortions. The majority found that Planned Parenthood had "submitted no evidence" that this statement was false, misleading, or irrelevant.

Planned Parenthood and abortion activists have tried to deny the fact that abortion kills a separate human being. Denial of this fact was part of a national strategy to create a culture of abortion for the entire nation, according to sworn testimony of Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the founders of the National Association to Repeal Abortion Laws (NARAL). Today, a majority of the judges on the Eighth Circuit have clearly and decisively declared that South Dakota need not deny the truth.

Harold Cassidy, chief counsel for the two crisis pregnancy centers which intervened in the case, said: "Planned Parenthood, in a shocking, and perhaps perverse logic, argued that abortion doctors were harmed by being required to tell women the truth, and this supposed harm outweighed the damage to pregnant mothers who lost their children because of these doctors' failure to make material disclosures." The informed consent law is designed to guard against the negligence and misrepresentations by providers, since many women would not obtain abortions if properly informed.

The South Dakota law is designed to provide basic information necessary for a pregnant mother to make an informed decision before she gives up her fundamental rights. In the process, it allows her to apply her own personal, moral, and ethical values to the facts once they are disclosed. This fall, the people of South Dakota will vote on a statewide initiative that will ban abortion except in the case where the mother's life is threatened or in the rare case of rape or incest. This voter initiative will be a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade, which sanctioned abortion through all nine months of pregnancy on January 22, 1973.

Mathew D. Staver, Founder of Liberty Counsel and Dean of Liberty University School of Law, commented: "Planned Parenthood wants to practice evil while pretending it does not exist. Planned Parenthood is founded on a lie and it seeks to deceive women into thinking that abortion is good for them and that it does not involve a separate human being. When the truth about abortion is known, very few women will choose to kill their children."

Really, I can see that it would stressful on SoMG and others to tell each and every abortion patient that she is carrying a unique human being which they are then going to destroy for that woman.
Of course reality bites,now doesn't it.

The only thing that would be harmed is their pocketbooks where they put the blood $$$ when they get paid for destroying an innocent child.

Patricia,

Something tells me that having to disclose that information to each of his patients would nowhere near stress SoMG out.

Right Carder. I have several times been asked by patients, and truthfully answered, the question "Is it a person?"

SoMg,
I am assume that you answer "no" to the above question. If you do, then upon what logic or criteria do you base your answer?

Right Carder. I have several times been asked by patients, and truthfully answered, the question "Is it a person?"

SOMG, when you tell them "yes", what is their typical reaction?

Well Bethany "yes" is not all I say although it is the eventual answer I give.

The typical reaction is they silently think about it for a short time. They exhibit the signs that go with considering something--lips pursed or pressed gently together, eyebrow muscles contract, they look away from you, that sort of thing.

Can you please do me a favor, and answer this question, in full, just as you would if I actually were one of your patients, SOMG?

"Doctor, I'm not sure. Is it a baby?"

Scratch that. I know your response to the word "baby". I meant to say,

"Doctor, I'm not sure. Is it a person?"

Well, Bethany, it goes something like this: "That's a difficult question. There are a lot of people who earn their living trying to answer it. Some of them say yes and some say no and many of them on both sides are very sure they are right. There are also people who say there's no answer, or the answer depends on how you define "person". Some of the reasons people say no are: it doesn't breathe, it lives in water, and its nervous system including the brain is a lot less complicated than an adult mouse's or pigeon's. On the other hand, some of the reasons people say yes are: it has its own DNA which is different from yours, it has a heartbeat, it has a face and little hands and feet with fingers and toes. If I'm not allowed to say I don't know, only yes or no, I'd say yes it's a person. A very young person the way an acorn after it sprouts is a very young tree."

Is it a person?"

SoMG:8:48: Well, Bethany, it goes something like this: "That's a difficult question. There are a lot of people who earn their living trying to answer it. Some of them say yes and some say no and many of them on both sides are very sure they are right. There are also people who say there's no answer, or the answer depends on how you define "person". Some of the reasons people say no are: it doesn't breathe, it lives in water, and its nervous system including the brain is a lot less complicated than an adult mouse's or pigeon's. On the other hand, some of the reasons people say yes are: it has its own DNA which is different from yours, it has a heartbeat, it has a face and little hands and feet with fingers and toes. If I'm not allowed to say I don't know, only yes or no, I'd say yes it's a person. A very young person the way an acorn after it sprouts is a very young tree."

You are wasting your breath!

A five year old could answer that question much more succinctly in one word. YES.

On the other hand, some of the reasons people say yes are: it has its own DNA which is different from yours, it has a heartbeat, it has a face and little hands and feet with fingers and toes. If I'm not allowed to say I don't know, only yes or no, I'd say yes it's a person. A very young person the way an acorn after it sprouts is a very young tree."

I wish that every woman had a chance to hear those words before having an abortion.

Do you actually perform any of the abortions yourself, SOMG?

Janet, you wrote: "A five year old could answer that question much more succinctly in one word. YES."

That would be a lie of omission. The patient who asks the question needs to know that it is controvercial. The setting--a doctor's office-- implies that she's asking about mainstream medical opinion, not just about my personal opinion.

SOMG, according to that logic, wouldn't it also be a lie of omission to not tell your patient all of the information you supplied in your 8:48 post, even if she didn't specifically ask?

Do you actually perform any of the abortions yourself, SOMG?

Bethany, no, if she cares about fetal personhood she can ask me about it. (If a patient looks worried, I gently encourage her to ask any questions she may have.)

You wrote: "Do you actually perform any of the abortions yourself, SOMG?"

Of course. What did you think?

Of course. What did you think?

Well, I admit, I have been a little skeptical, as you have never directly claimed it. There are other reasons why, but I'll have to just keep them to myself for now.

(If a patient looks worried, I gently encourage her to ask any questions she may have.)

This probably sounds like a silly question, but I want to know- What emotions do you experience when a woman decides not to go through with the abortion?

(If a patient looks worried, I gently encourage her to ask any questions she may have.)

SOMG, I have a lot more - some a bit personal but none that would be too specific or revealing- questions below... Hope you will answer them.

Didn't you say that your mother had 3 illegal abortions before Roe?

Could you tell me a little about the details of those abortions, and how they affected her life? Was she injured by any of them physically?

Do you feel that the majority of abortion proponents who are not physically involved with abortion, understand clearly what you know firsthand abortion really is? What about in the medical community?

Those doctors who are "pro-choice", but do not perform abortions...do they associate with you on a regular basis?

Are you married, and/or do you have any children of your own?

Do you typically associate with any other people besides those involved with abortion?

Bethany, it makes no difference to me.

Bethany, you wrote: "Didn't you say that your mother had 3 illegal abortions before Roe?"

Yes.

"Could you tell me a little about the details of those abortions...,"

No, I don't know much about the details.

"... and how they affected her life? "

They were one of the reasons she become a feminist activist.

"Was she injured by any of them physically? "

No.

"Do you feel that the majority of abortion proponents who are not physically involved with abortion, understand clearly what you know firsthand abortion really is?"

Today? Yes. In the early 1970s, no.

"What about in the medical community? "

Yes.

"Those doctors who are "pro-choice", but do not perform abortions...do they associate with you on a regular basis?"

I'm not aware of any who don't. The only docs I know of who refuse to associate with me are RTLs.

"Are you married, and/or do you have any children of your own? "

That would be telling.

"Do you typically associate with any other people besides those involved with abortion? "

Yes. If you haven't figured this out already, I am also involved with epidemiology. Also I watch a lot of movies with friends.

Okay...thank you for answering my questions.

All I can say is this: No matter how you try to dress it up or candy coat it, Planned Parenthood is guilty of mass murder. I don't think comparing it to Hitler is a good idea, as Planned parenthood is much worse, having killed more human beings than Hitler would ever have dreamed possible. Hitler is just an ant in comparison to the giant of PP.

As for helping by giving methods of 'safer sex' and teaching about responsibility or whatever, it's a joke. The best way to prevent pregnancy, unwanted or otherwise, is to abstain from sex! Such a simple solution, don't have sex to begin with. No, people are lovers of selves and could not stand to give up immoral pleasure in order to be responsible, Godly beings. Rather than teaching how to do it safely, teach them to wait until marriage, and you'll find that you've killed two birds with one stone. 1) There will be less cases of unwanted pregnancies, as the married couple will be wanting children. 2) Having just one partner will reduce STD's. How much more a simple and cost effective method!

Planned Parenthood is guilty of mass murder.

Now that's just silly.