2007 saw pro-lifers really begin to tap into the power of videos and YouTube to present our message. Who can forget the clips by seminarians at Institute for Priestly Formation in Omaha who spun Apple vs. Microsoft ads into witty NFP vs. contraception ads?
And who knew abortion could be satired? Well, abortiondoc did....
As for Aurora Planned Parenthood, I'm convinced theMSM would have ignored its magnitude were it not for bloggers and videos propelling the story. I counted 140 Aurora PP videos on YouTube, 75% of which were by pro-lifers Just today OpenLineBlog posted an outstanding video wrap-up of the Aurora PP debacle:
The Internet has opened a whole new world for pro-lifers to go around liberals and the MSM directly to the people. 2007 saw large pro-life growth in this area. Keep it up.
That abortiondoc's video is not real is it? I just didn't know whether I should laugh or be disgusted.Posted by: Ruth at December 28, 2007 2:31 PM
Ruth, it's not real. It's meant to be satire. You should see his others. He came on the scene 6 months ago and then vanished.Posted by: Jill Stanek at December 28, 2007 2:43 PM
The videos (abortiondoc) should be taken down from YouTube. Does any one thing such a video has a real danger of pushing some one to a suicide or is it just me? A week ago or so I have reported those clips as "obscene"- I hope YouTube takes them down.
I do like the contraception vs NFP video.Posted by: Vlad at December 28, 2007 3:06 PM
Ah, I see. Well, thanks for clarifying that.Posted by: Ruth at December 28, 2007 3:06 PM
How would that (abortiondoc video) push someone to suicide? Do you mean those who have had abortions?Posted by: Ruth at December 28, 2007 3:08 PM
Yes that is exactly what I meant.Posted by: Vlad at December 28, 2007 3:12 PM
I don't see how it would push someone to suicide. I mean - if having an abortion is no big deal and if it's not even considered a baby to those who have the abortions; I don't think it would have a psychological effect on the person since they (pro-aborts) claim there is no link between the two.Posted by: Ruth at December 28, 2007 3:18 PM
Why is it so hard for someone to view the video who had an abortion?
It is not like it's unrealistic. There is blood, a doctor, and a dead "fetus" involved.
It's the "choice" they made.Posted by: Ruth at December 28, 2007 3:21 PM
Most post abortive women who have found forgiveness, may disagree with you. To them it was VERY BIG DEAL.
Do you believe that a person is capable of regretting their sin?Posted by: Vlad at December 28, 2007 3:26 PM
The last video on the Aurora PP was great. And the NFP vs. contraception was very funny. Great job.Posted by: Elizabeth at December 28, 2007 3:28 PM
Of course I believe that someone may repent of their sin.
It's a decision they made though and they will have to live with it all their life no matter if they repent or not.
You have to let people see the truth though. I know those videos are just sarcasm and jokes, but today society doesn't want to show what abortion really is and some people don't want to believe it.
Besides, if someone has converted to christianity and repented of their sins they would probably feel offended by the material posted - but I don't think they would go as far as committing suicide. They would surely know taking their own life will not solve the problem and will lead their soul to eternal hell.Posted by: Ruth at December 28, 2007 3:33 PM
Some post abortive people go through a ultimate despair.... I hope they do not see this video while they are in that stage.
I would take an image of mutilated baby (although I am not in favor of those either) over this sick video.Posted by: Vlad at December 28, 2007 4:39 PM
You talk about NFP and contraceptives, but what about magic?Posted by: Jess at December 28, 2007 5:30 PM
Or prayer, for you Christian folks.
God, I want four children, starting from from when I'm 23. Ok thanks God.Posted by: Jess at December 28, 2007 5:32 PM
"They would surely know taking their own life will not solve the problem and will lead their soul to eternal hell."
I know many many Christians that would disagree with you on that one. Many Christians I have talked to have said that people who commit suicide aren't right in the head, they are sick and that God understands and forgives. I can't say much more on that topic other than that. Just what I have heard.
Have you ever been suicidal Ruth? I have and let me tell you. It sucks. My life was just fine. I had everything I wanted. A supportive family, friends, good grades but for some reason I was just sad and for the life of me couldn't understand why. After feeling this way for about 6 months i finally told my mom and she helped me get the help i needed.Posted by: JM at December 28, 2007 7:12 PM
The first one did make me laugh because the apple and mac commercials are my favorite. I do have a few problems with it. First being, not all people who are using contraceptives are "afraid or against" life. I use contraceptives and if I became pregnant I would accept it and carry to term and probably raise the child. I also know plenty of couples who use contraceptives who are not afraid to talk about sex. But alas the commercial was meant to be funny and was only a joke.Posted by: JM at December 28, 2007 7:17 PM
And Jill I thought the "fake doctor" clip was stupid when you played it in June.Posted by: JM at December 28, 2007 7:21 PM
Was the person that made this video a fellow blogger here? If so I must say it is put together pretty nicely.Posted by: JM at December 28, 2007 7:27 PM
I'm talking about the last clip.Posted by: JM at December 28, 2007 7:28 PM
JM - nice posts; you have a good head on your shoulders.
DougPosted by: Doug at December 28, 2007 8:11 PM
The last video about the PP in Aurora was really powerful and showed how the situation developed. The folks at OpenlineBlog and Jill should get some type of awards for their coverage and creativity. Between the two, I knew more about what was going on than all other media put together.Posted by: Julie at December 29, 2007 1:00 AM
And that raises the question -- if it's not happened already, I'm sure it could: What if a person is "born" (your definitions) to have surgery, and is then replaced into the mother's womb to continue development? Is that being "unborn"? And was that person a person, and then not? And then, later, become a person again?
Good question. I don't know of that occurring nor of the question coming up, but if anything I'd say that yes, it's like again being unborn. Rights attributed outside the womb would not necessarily apply once back in the womb.
Oh my God, you're kidding right? Not only do you hold that the unborn are not "persons" but you believe that their "personhood" can go from non-person, to person, to non person again just based on where they live? Do you have any idea how nuts that sounds? Are there any hoops that you won't jump through to rationalize your stance?Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 6:49 AM
Oh my God, you're kidding right? Not only do you hold that the unborn are not "persons" but you believe that their "personhood" can go from non-person, to person, to non person again just based on where they live? Do you have any idea how nuts that sounds? Are there any hoops that you won't jump through to rationalize your stance?
MK, it's not my "stance." It was an honest answer to a hypothetical question.
I know you wish the situation were different, but the fact is that birth means the attribution of certain rights in our society. Given that, do you not think that "back in the womb" might mean that those rights were again deemed not to be there, just as if there had been no "birth" in the first place?
DougPosted by: Doug at December 29, 2007 7:13 AM
In regards to the photo above, is it real? I know they used it in a music video, but I also saw the same thing on an episode of "House". (btw...that was a GREAT episode!)
I meant "stance" as in pro choice stance...and it wasn't a hypothetical. Fetal surgery is in fact done as is shown in the above photo.
And since I think that personhood is a strawman, no I don't think it makes sense that personhood status changes with residence.
I think the whole thing is ludicrous. The child hasn't changed one iota, only where it lives has changed. To base it's "worth" or as you put it valuation, not on what/who it is, but on where it is seems insane to me.Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 8:04 AM
yes, that is real. I saw an interview with the doctor who performed the operation.Posted by: jasper at December 29, 2007 8:28 AM
Yes, you can read Jill's articles about the house episode and the actual story which inspired it at these links below:
And you can see a picture of the baby (Samuel), who is now about 8 years old, here:
Posted by: Bethany
at December 29, 2007 8:33 AM
Isn't he ADORABLE!!
Thanks. I posted the same stuff and then forgot to push "post"...neeeeeeed more coffee!Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 8:58 AM
MMm coffee...guess what? I got an Espresso/latte machine for Christmas (I heard Midnite got one as well), and have been making lattes and cappuccinos like crazy. They are so delicious. Want to come over this afternoon for one? It's only about a 600 mile drive. Pleeeease? :D
I'm leaving now! Start the water...
Will do! LOL
It's quiet this morning...just my luck. I have a little time to totally devote to this and no one except someone I completely agree with is on...lol.Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 9:16 AM
LOL I know...I keep refreshing the page, waiting for someone to say something on any of the topics.
"MMm coffee...guess what? I got an Espresso/latte machine for Christmas"
Bethany, it's a good change from regular coffee..we have one at work.Posted by: jasper at December 29, 2007 9:18 AM
Jasper, it took me a while to figure out how to use it, but now I think I have the hang of it. It will be so hard for me to ever go back to regular coffee. LOL That must be nice having one in your office! :)
Well then maybe it's time for us to catch up...
How was your Christmas. Apparently every one thinks I should cover up my neck. I got three scarves. My "John" also gave me two pairs of flannel pajamas and a heating pad. I think he was thinking of my back, but wonder if he was trying to replace himself!?!?!?
I saw Juno. It was GREAT!!!!! And today (Rae) I think my heating pad (oops, I mean husband) and I are going to see "The Kite Runner".
The kids got Webkinz and now I have to compete even more for computer time!
Went to the Museum of Science and Industry yesterday. Saw the "Fetal" display. It's a display of actual fetuses/babies from 1 week after conception to 40 weeks. They are kind of sad, floating there in their formaldehyde but beautiful all the same. I put up photos here a while back.
I've also eaten an average of 143 cookies a day for 2 weeks! And homemade fudge!
Almost compensates for the heating pad!
How bout you guys?Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 9:40 AM
Here's the photo of the Life Display at the museum!
MMM homemade fudge is the best. I love it.
It sounds like you had a great Christmas- and your neck should stay nice and warm. lol
My Christmas was great..the kids got a lot of stuff they loved. One of our Christmas presents for them was to take them to see the "Water Horse", which opened on Dec. 25. The kids just love dinosaurs, and the Water Horse was close enough to make them really happy. They went on and on about how much they loved it after we left.
They got a ton from the grandparents, as usual. lol
I mostly enjoyed having James home this year. Usually on Christmas he is working. This was a very happy year for us, since he was off for about 4 days.
This has nothing to do with Christmas, but for James and my anniversary on the 18th of this month, he bought me on of the prettiest rings I have ever had. Just thought I'd show it off- white gold, diamonds, and sapphires *squeal!*:
Can you send me pictures of what you saw at the museum?Posted by: Bethany at December 29, 2007 9:46 AM
Oh never mind, you just posted a link! LOLPosted by: Bethany at December 29, 2007 9:47 AM
I have loved rings since I was a little girl.
I think they are the only jewelry that makes sense, since it's the only jewelry I can see when I'm wearing it!
Yours is beautiful. I love my rings to be dainty.
When we got married John had a small ruby put into a Claddaugh ring that my mother had given me. On our tenth wedding anniversary, he bought me an engagement ring. I asked him how much my original wedding ring has cost him and he said $8.00. I laughed so hard! My wedding dress only cost $125.00!
Ha! I can top that. My wedding dress cost 30.00! LOL
showoff!Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 9:53 AM
What did you think of those pictures from the museum?Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 9:54 AM
Posted by: Bethany
at December 29, 2007 9:54 AM
Actually, I had seen them before but I didn't know that's where they were from! They really are sad, but beautiful, like you said. You can really see how individual each little child was. It must have really been something to see that in real life. It would have made me sad, probably, if I had been there.
I couldn't see any of the pictures below 6 weeks, I think. Were they difficult to see, or did they just leave them out of the site?Posted by: Bethany at December 29, 2007 9:58 AM
The photographer explains on the bottom that you had to "shoot" through 2 layers of glass with an ordinary camera. Mostly she kept picking up fingerprints. The first babies are reallllly small.
But did you see the one that is Blessing's age? So sweet!Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 10:03 AM
Yes, every time I see one like that, I think of Blessing. It's amazing how beautiful they are that early.Posted by: Bethany at December 29, 2007 10:08 AM
Thank you...I must have "came to this site" after Jill's posting of that story. When I saw it on House, I cried, but had no idea that it was real! WOW! If I would have known that, I would have cried a river!!! Thanks again!
Thanks for posting the link to the life display. I remember going there when I was little and seeing that display. It disturbed me, knowing that the babies were once alive, but I think it would be GREAT for all mothers to take their girls there to see it when they're young. It made a HUGE impact on the way that I view life, which is probably why I can see so clearly through the smog of lies from PP and pro-aborts.
very, very beautiful ring!!! Happy belated Anniversary!!!
But did you see the one that is Blessing's age? So sweet!
This picture always makes me think of him/her too:
Blessing is so beautiful! Is that a smile I see? How adorable!
YES! I was amazed to see what looked like a smile on my baby in many of the pictures I took. It gave me so much closure, seeing that.
@Bethany: What a beautiful ring! I wear two rings, one is actually a toe ring, but I wear it on my pinky finger and it's a heart with gold leaves made from Black Hills gold...I got it for my graduation from my aunt and uncle.
The other ring is a really simple one I got from my parents several years ago, it's a plain gold band with my birthstone (Garnet) on it. I used to wear it on my right hand, but my right hand eventually got too big from writing all the time in high school and stuff so I switched it to my left hand...which is kinda sucky because this summer when I was taking a summer class, somebody asked me if I was married as I wear the ring on my left ring finger! :-p
@MK: I am jealous that you get to go to "The Kite Runner". I've been meaning to see that movie and "Juno" and "Sweeney Todd" but I can't afford the $9.00 movie ticket and stuff. :-/
MK! I have a compromise about visiting in January: Lindsey and I will stay in a hotel, but how about we meet up on Sunday (after church) for lunch or something before we leave? Since we're doing the hotel route, we're not leaving till super-early on Saturday (the day of the show) so that we can get there in time, perhaps we'll stop by if we get there early enough?Posted by: Rae at December 29, 2007 10:36 AM
I'm not being nosy really but are you staying in Chicago when you come? I know a great hostel in the City that's much cheaper than a hotel and is tons of fun because there are people that stay there from all over the world. It's really clean and nice. Free breakfast too!
Your comment about the movie cost just makes me think it could be a good option. I can send you the link if you're interested.
They do have private baths in the rooms.Posted by: Kristen at December 29, 2007 11:02 AM
I hope to go to Chicago sometime next semester!!
I really like the fetal display at the "Bodies" exhibition in New York.
Again I'd like to express how much I love Juno. I can't wait till it comes out on video!Posted by: prettyinpink at December 29, 2007 12:59 PM
@Kristen: Yeah, I'll be staying in Chicago. I would be interested in that link if you could send it! :DPosted by: Rae at December 29, 2007 4:30 PM
Sure, you'll stay at a hostel with a BUNCH of strangers, but not at a house with only one! It's fine Rae. I'll catch you next time around. I'm heartbroken, but I'll get over it. Just have a good time at the concert. And be safe. (Would a movie ticket bribe do any good?)Posted by: mk at December 29, 2007 7:08 PM
Hi Rae -
Sorry, I just saw your note. Here's the link.Posted by: Kristen at December 29, 2007 8:44 PM
MK : "How bout you guys?"
thanks MK, yes I had good Christmas, got the wife a nice watch. Kids got some nice presents, been spending time with them. Our company shuts down from Christmas to New Years so I don't have to return to work until Thursday.
StevePosted by: jasper at December 30, 2007 11:09 PM
MK, sorry for the delay in replying - my wife and I are in Taos, NM, and there was such a mighty snowstorm here that the hotel's internet connection was messed up by snow and ice on the roof until now.
MK: I meant "stance" as in pro choice stance...and it wasn't a hypothetical. Fetal surgery is in fact done as is shown in the above photo.
It still has nothing necessarily to do with it. It's a hypothetical question and one can speculate about it regardless of one's pro-choice or pro-life position. Sure - fetal surgery, but does the question of rights really apply there? Has it ever come up? Not that I know of.
And since I think that personhood is a strawman, no I don't think it makes sense that personhood status changes with residence.
Well, it's not a straw man at all - it's what you want changed in the first place.
I think the whole thing is ludicrous. The child hasn't changed one iota, only where it lives has changed. To base it's "worth" or as you put it valuation, not on what/who it is, but on where it is seems insane to me.
I agree that it's arbitrary to some extent, and that it does not "have" to be that way. There is a fairly profound difference between being inside the body of a person and not being there, though.
It is not only a question of worth, it's also a question of considering the pregnant woman.
DougPosted by: Doug at December 31, 2007 7:53 PM