By the time I wrote "Live Tweeting Abortion, Part X" on March 3, as well as 2 WorldNetDaily.com columns (here and here), I was sicker of Angie Jackson than anyone, and I know many of you were plenty sick of her. I felt personally responsible for giving Angie 5 of her 15 minutes of fame.
There were still a few who kept tabs on Angie after that, even though I stopped. They let me know when she tweeted on March 13 that she locks her 4-year-old in his bedroom and on March 23 that she is still married to one guy (the father of her born child) while shacking up with another (the father of her aborted child).
Messed up, but we knew that.
Now, though, Angie's tweets warrant one more post....
She wrote over the weekend she is breaking up with the new guy, which in itself is no surprise since most relationships do fail following abortion.
But her reasons are quite bizarre. On one hand she's mad BF won't get a vasectomy and on the other because he doesn't like kids and is too old to start a family with...
Like I said, messed up.
In other news, live tweeting abortion copycat Nextthurs has still not be heard from since February 28, when she abruptly quit documenting her RU-486 abortion after ominously stating she'd been "bleeding like a stuffed pig all day."
And I discovered reading Angie's tweets tonight that pro-aborts have given me my own Twitter hashtag, #betterthanstanek, in response to a quest
by for ProChoiceGal to get more followers than me. I'm flattered.
[HT: Twitter follower jillosophy; screen shot via Angie's abortion video]
Check your facts, Stanek. MsBrendaBraquel (http://twitter.com/MsBrendaBraquel) started that "quest". I think it's sweet, but unnecessarily sweet.
Really though, is it that hard to see if what you're writing is actually true?Posted by: ProChoiceGal at April 5, 2010 9:37 PM
By the way, by "unnecessarily sweet" I meant it like a "Aww.. What'd I do to deserve that kind of love?" kind of sweet. I feel like the pro-choicers (and, surprisingly, a FEW of the antis) are too nice to me, sometimes.Posted by: ProChoiceGal at April 5, 2010 9:41 PM
Messed up, yes . . . kind of like the woman at the well. But there was still hope for her. Let's pray there's still hope for Angie.Posted by: Gina at April 5, 2010 9:42 PM
Thanks, PCG. Changed "to" to "for."Posted by: Jill Stanek at April 5, 2010 9:43 PM
Jill Stanek- Thanks for changing it.Posted by: ProChoiceGal at April 5, 2010 9:44 PM
Yes, a good reminder, Gina. There is always hope.Posted by: Jill Stanek at April 5, 2010 9:48 PM
Very sad situation but quite predictable I think it is David Reardon who researched this and gave the statistic that over 80% of the time post-abortive relationships break up especially when the "father" wants the abortion and gives the "me or the baby ultimatum" to the "mother", they end up breaking up anyway. Some of you that are good on post-abortive stats can correct me if I am wrong about this. She is another post-abortive mother, the mother of a dead baby. It did not solve her problems that she killed her unborn child. How tragic. I will pray for God to help this woman.Posted by: Prolifer L at April 5, 2010 10:03 PM
When did this become some weirdo gossip site? Who the stink cares?Posted by: Ex-GOP Voter at April 5, 2010 10:03 PM
Ex-GOP, the point is the contradiction, which I think you must understand but are intentionally ignoring.
Angie aborted her baby and was pleased her boyfriend could afford to pay for it. Now she's breaking up with him b/c he doesn't want a family... and because he doesn't want a vasectomy.
Get the dichotomies?Posted by: Jill Stanek at April 5, 2010 10:08 PM
No - I get it - I just don't understand why we care about this girl so much (and not in a loving Christian way - like, in a reality TV show way). Are we hoping to turn her into a star and get a cut of the profit? It's just a little odd. Maybe we could just put her twitter feed running on the site all the time.Posted by: Ex-GOP Voter at April 5, 2010 10:14 PM
Mr. "Ex whatever you are" it is not gossip to report on and to discuss the consequences and aftermath of abortion on a PROLIFE blog. The situation reported here backs up the research documented by prolifers over the years. The slogan "Abortion Hurts Women" and "PP lies to you" is very appropriate here. No, true prolifers do not gloat about this tragic situation, we are saddened by it because we could predict the tragic outcome.
Disposable, meaningless sex with disposable, meaningless sexual partners leads to more disposable, mutilated aborted babies and more hurt, wounded women to begin the cycle all over again. Like Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King said "Abortion didn't solve my problems, it caused more problems".Posted by: Prolifer L at April 5, 2010 10:21 PM
I am very sorry that Angie realized this only after she aborted her unborn child.
Nobody's gloating here... we've seen this pattern before, and it's so harmful to women and so self-destructive. My prayer for Angie is that she would find peace in Christ. The REAL Jesus Christ, not the one she grew up having represented to her by a false cult. She would find that His arms are open to her. And I don't mean any of this in a condescending way.Posted by: Kel at April 5, 2010 10:36 PM
How many times have we seen this story. Girl meets boy. Girl and boy have sex. Girl get pregnant. Boy doesn't want baby. Girl afraid boy will leave. Girl stands by her boy. Girl get abortion and tells everyone it's her choice. Boy leaves. Girl tells everyone she wanted it that way.
It's nuts but that is the way it's done, over and over and over again.Posted by: ann marie at April 5, 2010 10:51 PM
So the anti-abort argument goes like how, in this case?
If a girl refuses to listen to the input or threat from a boyfriend, she keeps the pregnancy? That's assuming quite a lot in so many ways, even for a girl who has issues like Ms. Jackson.
Because in the vast majority of cases I have seen, the girl makes the decision, with our without the boyfriend - sometimes without his knowledge. It's the girl's decision, and that's how it must be.
And married couples don't break-up after abortions. Those are couples who either have enough children, aren't ready, or had to terminate the pregnancy due to a serious issue with it.
I realize you'll never break-out of your scripted, fantasy world. But in the real world, those with the pregnancies make the decisions about what to do with them.Posted by: Dhalgren at April 5, 2010 10:58 PM
I at first had a distaste of Angie as she smirked that she was killing her child.
now I just feel incredibly sad for her. Who wants to live with those kinds of ghosts? sad. sad. sad. I hope she finds happiness in her life.Posted by: Sydney M. at April 5, 2010 11:07 PM
Your concerns are understandable. Tragically, abortion is so gigantic in its dimensions that often what emerges from the pipeline are nothing but cold numbers, raw, impersonal statistics.
(Sorry Bobby B. for discussing the formal object of your study in this way ;-) )
What Jill has done is present us with a case study. This is essential in the study of medicine, psychology and public health. Case studies put a human face on the epidemiology. They ground the data, the stats in an identifiable human being and show for us the consequences, the sequellae of certain decisions in a way that the study of numbers and trends cannot fully bring into relief when studied on their own.
Jill is brilliant. She has done what the very best of clinical professors do. She has reached into the sea of numbers and pulled up for us a living, breathing, suffering human being. She has shown for us the pathos of abortion that affect every single one of the 52 + million women in the US who have had abortions since 1973.
Being a regular here, you have seen how often people dispute in a dismissive way the numbers and what they mean.
Angie can't be dismissed. She has a face, a name, a born child who will never know his sibling this side of eternity. She is a woman who bled profusely and required inordinate amounts of analgesia. In the corporeality of her experience, she showed the world the reality behind the propaganda for aborting a baby by simply swallowing a little pill. Through her experience, she showed us how men who are willing to pay for the abortion are not men at all.
If Angie's "man" were man enough to accept his own child, he would have been man enough to deal with the messy gynecological and emotional consequences of abortion (and even normal delivery for that matter).
So Angie's story gives us a bonus insight into the functionality of human sex and its dysfunctionality when the unitive and procreative dimensions are artificially separated:
It is the woman who all too often is the one used, abused and discarded; corrupted in her own fertility.
Women never need men more than when they become pregnant. Angie's story highlights for us the pragmatic value of saving oneself for a man willing to give a lifetime commitment. Men realize their true masculine potential when their wives realize their reproductive potential. Unmarried couples who are simply out joyriding tend to learn the pragmatic value of a lifetime commitment the hard way.
Go easy on Jill. The best professors are the ones who leave us strategically discomfited.
Bravo Professor Stanek!!
"The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord".
What appears to be in full view here in this Shakespearean tragedy of monumental proportion is humankind's desperate need for unconditional love and the innumerable ways in which they unsuccessfully try to find it.
The ways in which we try to capture this illusive love, be they religion or relationships or sex or money or power, always result in death and destruction.
The satisfaction of this need can only be found in a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Wise men still seek Him.Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at April 5, 2010 11:28 PM
Yes I had a friend who went through 2 abortions, one in her early 40s w a man who was her bf but didnt want anymore kids; as he was almost 70. She aborted and was tormented over that choice and they did break up as he was an abuser too. She never could forgive herself or accept Gods forgiveness and she knew the Lord and His word. She went back to that man and began to drink excessively, tried counseling for PASD but plunged deep hnto vodka and pain pills until she got so ill and her liver and kidneys failed and she died @ the age of 44. I still miss Faith and wish I could have done more for her, but as the anti-lifers like to say - "it was her "'choice'" Well it killed her, in a slow form of suicide.Posted by: Sonia at April 6, 2010 12:02 AM
If anything, not to gossip, but Angie's story is very relate-able. If not ourselves, but a friend or relative in the same position. She believes in choice, but we she wants to prevent abortion in the future so she asks her current love, who doesn't want children to begin with to have a vasectomy and he refuses. He comes first always, not her, not the relationship, and not willing to a pregnancy he was equally responsible for.
Should any woman, no matter how you feel about abortion, be involved with such a man?
Thank you Jill Stanek for this wonderful blog!
Thank you Gerard Nadal for your posts!
^_^Posted by: segamon at April 6, 2010 12:31 AM
Wonder if she'll get another 15 minutes of fame now? (Cue crickets chirping)Posted by: Christina at April 6, 2010 2:49 AM
So Angie's story gives us a bonus insight into the functionality of human sex and its dysfunctionality when the unitive and procreative dimensions are artificially separated:
It is the woman who all too often is the one used, abused and discarded; corrupted in her own fertility.
Posted by: Gerard Nadal at April 5, 2010 11:09 PM
Excellent post. I particularly liked your use of the terms of functionality vs dysfunctionality to describe what occurs. These terms are much closer to the literal written meaning of what is referred to in Genesis 2 as the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. In Ancient Hebrew, functional and dysfunctional are more concrete than the terms "good" and "evil". Rather than considering people as being evil, it is better to think of them as dysfunctional, off the mark, or lost from the path.
Angie's hard lessons will be repeated by others, however, the wise would consider what her willingness to talk about the subject in a candid way has accomplished.
It looks like Angie and her BF finally got around to a serious conversation that actually should have occurred with her husband. I pray she grows and matures and finds the Loving Commitment she truly seeks.Posted by: Chris Arsenault at April 6, 2010 5:31 AM
She locks her 4 year old in his room? The kid with developmental issues?
Can someone please tell me they've called Child Welfare Services so they can save that child from his mommie dearest?Posted by: carder at April 6, 2010 5:50 AM
Thank you for all of your hard work and insights, Jill. God is using all of this in ways we may never fully know. Be encouraged.Posted by: Karen Hayes at April 6, 2010 6:33 AM
Yes, in a way you are right. I suppose all I see is a confused somebody in need of love and help - and I can't help but feel that folks are rooting for her to crash down in life. Yes, maybe that will open her eyes to an extent - but I feel a bit like we're cheering for anything and everything bad to happen to her now.Posted by: Ex-GOP Voter at April 6, 2010 6:35 AM
"And married couples don't break-up after abortions. Those are couples who either have enough children, aren't ready, or had to terminate the pregnancy due to a serious issue with it."
Posted by: Dhalgren at April 5, 2010 10:58 PM
Dhalgren...Where do you get this information? You must be some expert to make such a claim. Tell me where is your case study so we can read it? Where is your data?Posted by: ann marie at April 6, 2010 7:24 AM
"Should any woman, no matter how you feel about abortion, be involved with such a man?"
I predicted before that Angie and her boyfriend were probably going to break up; it was clear to me that she was harboring a lot of resentment towards him. I'm not "cheering for anything and everything bad to happen to her now," but from my outside perspective, I think the breakup might be for the best.
People who think Jill is "obsessed" with Angie are being ridiculous. She didn't stalk Angie or spnd every waking hour fixated on her; Angie posted things on the Internet for the entire world to see and Jill commented on them. Once you publicize the details of your life, you take the risk that someone will have a negative reaction to them.Posted by: Marauder at April 6, 2010 7:29 AM
Hey "Ex-GOP Voter" - thanks for your last post. Although there certainly are many here that could be seen to be rooting for failure of the woman in question, there are many others simply sad and praying for her. Count me amongst the latter.Posted by: RS at April 6, 2010 7:58 AM
Segamon, Karen, Marauder, thanks for encouragement.
Gerard, great post. And Chris, too... functional, dysfunctional. I'll have to check that out.
Ex-GOP, I appreciate the civility... :)
Carder, "Angie Jackson" is an alias. No way to find her that I know of. All we know is she lives in the Tampa area.Posted by: Jill Stanek at April 6, 2010 8:07 AM
Please speak up about the fathers that really wanted their children to live! They would have done anything to save the life of THEIR baby! They tried their best to speak up on behalf of their baby. Too bad for them, eh?
Well she has been interviewed on television in the Tampa area so not so anonymous.
She is really mixed up. Does she want a family man or a vasectomy man. It is easy to see what he wants sex his own way with no responsibility. He why should he bother with a vasectomy when she can have an abortion. Sure sounds like a keeper to me???
You bet she is harboring resentment.
I thought she aborted because the pregnancy would have killed her??
At any rate, reading about Angie makes me so very sad. I will pray for her.Posted by: carla at April 6, 2010 9:09 AM
Thank you Jill for posting Angie's story. Following her story has made the pain and horrors of abortion much more vivid and heightened my pro-life convictions. It was very helpful in understanding the viewpoint of pro-abortion individuals.Posted by: Leslie at April 6, 2010 9:28 AM
Yes, in a way you are right. I suppose all I see is a confused somebody in need of love and help - and I can't help but feel that folks are rooting for her to crash down in life. Yes, maybe that will open her eyes to an extent - but I feel a bit like we're cheering for anything and everything bad to happen to her now.
Posted by: Ex-GOP Voter at April 6, 2010 6:35 AM
No..we're not. Not sure where you came up with that.
The whole thing is sad, but predictable. The reason her boyfriend wouldn't get the vasectomy is clearly because he wants to leave his options open if he meets another woman who wants children.
If Angie's life were truely endangered by future pregnancies and he intended to stay with her forever, he wouldn't have a problem with having the surgery to protect her.
It's very sad all around.Posted by: Lauren at April 6, 2010 9:30 AM
Thank you Dr. Nadal for this reminder that this Angie-"case study" has given us...
"...insight into the functionality of human sex and its dysfunctionality when the unitive and procreative dimensions are artificially separated"
I believe this is the crux of the whole abortion/bc mentality.
..and thank you Jill for showing the horrible truth that people face when this happens.
Posted by: RSD at April 6, 2010 10:21 AM
Reminds me of a bad sci-fi/horror flik that just can't find an ending, happy or otherwise.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at April 6, 2010 10:53 AM
Jill and All,
Thank you for your kind words.
I understand your concern and cannot speak for every reader or commenter here. That said, however, I believe that the majority of comments here are people cheering on ABORTION'S demise in light of the wreckage that is Angie's life.
Still, there have been some vitriolic comments aimed at Angie personally, though these have blessedly been in the minority. I've seen that sort of thing on rounds in hospitals. It's usually motivated by people's hatred for the disease, or disease-producing lifestyle itself and their feelings of impotence when faced with the human wreckage. It's no longer a two-dimensional phenomenon on a textbook page.
Then, there are folks like Angie who present as oppositional-defiant personalities, who seem through their defiance not to grasp or care about the awesome self-destructiveness of their actions. That's what usually triggers the anger in the observer, yet it is all part of a larger pathology.
It's also a defense mechanism. If we really sit with Angie, alone in our thoughts, it's easy to become overwhelmed with sadness. She's that pitiful. So we get angry instead, because anger at least has an energy that keeps us from becoming immobilized by sorrow. It happens quite a bit in the clinical environment.
But I suppose that anger is quite a bit healthier than apathy. It keeps us in the game.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at April 6, 2010 11:28 AM
I'm wondering if Angie made a decision in haste and under pressure from her boyfriend and now that time has passed, is beginning to realize what she has lost.
We can only pray for her, for healing and for self-forgiveness.
She seemed like a smart women.Posted by: The BEDBUG Blog at April 6, 2010 11:45 AM
If a man wants his girlfriend/wife to abort, it is a giant flashing sign that he does not love her. So, even a woman of modest intellect is going to figure that out and often will move on.Posted by: hippie at April 6, 2010 12:26 PM
"I pray she grows and matures and finds the Loving Commitment she truly seeks."
Posted by: Chris Arsenault at April 6, 2010 5:31 AM
Amen.Posted by: Janet at April 6, 2010 12:51 PM
Sonia, so sorry to hear about your friend. I know a woman who is/was living a similar nightmare. I really don't even know if she's dead or alive anymore. My ex-boyfriend got her pregnant. Prior to that pregnancy, she'd already aborted 6 times. She had 1 living child. That child was usually in the care of her parents because she was very verbally abusive. on top of that, she was a raging alcoholic. She insisted on aborting her child from my ex. After her last abortion, she began to bleed off and on non-stop. Doctors said that she needed a hysterectomy. It was done, and my ex stayed by her side. After the hysterectomy, she slipped into a deep depression and drank herself right back into the hospital. She almost died. She did get sober with the help of AA for several years but eventually relapsed. Too bad she never really made the connection between the abortions and her self loathing.Posted by: Heather at April 6, 2010 2:33 PM
The fact that bf won't get a vasectomy means he doesn't want to have a child *with her*. How can a relationship like that, using each other for whatever material gains and personal pleasure, weather any storm? No one should be surprised that they broke up.
It is sad when women allow themselves to be used, then put on a brave face that "everything is just fine." I hope she finds peace someday.Posted by: Milehimama at April 6, 2010 2:42 PM
They say that men and women have sex for different reasons. [ I'm talking outside of marriage ] Women want love and affection. They often want to please men. They want approval. Men are hunters. They usually just want the gratification sex brings. I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard a woman say "I just don't know what happened." "I mean, I waited 3 months [give or take a few] until I had sex with him. "He told me he loved me and he cheated." Well, if you aren't married, it's not cheating. Besides, once you give a man your body, it's only a matter of time before he moves on. Then women want respect..lol!!! Boy have the radical feminists ruined us!!!!Posted by: Heather at April 6, 2010 2:51 PM
Attorney Gloria Allred defended one of Tiger Wood's mistresses. The girl said that she aborted twice in their "relationship". Allred is a post abortive mother herself. She tends to overlook her clients who abort. A few include Christy Prody [oj Simpson's former girlfriend] Amber Frey [Scott Peterson's former mistress] and now the porn star who dated Tiger. They want respect and an apology!!! hahahaha. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Gloria ought to advise these ladies to respect themselves. Had they, none ever would have been pregnant from a deadbeat to begin with !!!!!!! Also, Gloria attended George Tiller's funeral. "We have lost a great doctor today." She said to the cameras.Posted by: Heather at April 6, 2010 3:05 PM
Jackson locks her 4 year old in a closet? Someone should report her to childrens services. She's an unfit mother. I wish she would go away already.Posted by: Heather at April 6, 2010 3:15 PM
Thinking back over Angie's reasons for aborting her baby, she claimed that it was medically too risky for her to have another child and that there was risk that another child would be born with problems similar to what her existing child had. One wonders if these reasons were valid, in light of Angie now wanting children in the future.Posted by: The BEDBUG Blog at April 6, 2010 3:53 PM
Heather: I've got to disagree with you on why men and women have sex outside of marriage. While you may be right about some people, I think there are a lot of men who have close relationships with their girlfriends. I think most normal, healthy people want affection and sexual gratification when they have sex.
If a man and a woman have agreed to have a monogamous relationship, it's cheating, no matter whether they're married or unmarried or having sex or not. It's not "only a matter of time" before a man will move on after having had sex with a woman. You make it sound like men are voracious beasts devoid of any conscience or genuine love.
People deserve to be respected as human beings regardless of whether they're having sex or not. Not everyone deserves to be respected for their actions or ideas, but no one deserves to feel used or to be treated as inhuman. I think it's a good idea to wait to be married before you have sex, but there are millions of married couples who had sex before getting married and continue to love and cherish each other.Posted by: Marauder at April 6, 2010 3:57 PM
Maurderer, I can meet you half way on that. Indeed some couples have had sex before marriage, but there just seems to be more chaos when it's put into that order. Cart before horse. I also speak from experience. I had a few men tell me they wanted to marry me while we had sex outside of marriage. I was engaged to a man for a year. We had sex that entire year and he dumped me. I never saw it coming. I was sick about it. I still say that most women take a serious gamble when they engage in this behavior. And no, I do not have a thing against men. I am now married to one of the best. Perhaps I was bedding down with cowards.Posted by: Heather at April 6, 2010 4:15 PM
I heard you were pregnant. Congrats!.
I tried to email you but it got kicked back..Posted by: Jasper at April 6, 2010 5:53 PM
jasperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, how nice to see you!!!! My computer is down and I have been using a friends. Thank you so much! I miss you! Due any day now!Posted by: Heather at April 6, 2010 6:08 PM
Gerard - I agree - she's a special case. And I agree with most to all of your statements.
I think the weird part of me is the rooting for the demise in some of the positions. For instance, the breast cancer link. It seems to me if two years she came down with breast cancer, that would be "newsworthy" on the board, and sort of an "I told you so" moment. I mean, we've got folks who have had an abortion on this board, and I hope harm never comes there way - not because they've repented - I mean, even if they haven't, I don't think it makes the whole situation better.
Oh well - I hope one day life is better for her.Posted by: Ex-GOP Voter at April 6, 2010 6:17 PM
Why do you refer to a 4 week zygote as a baby/child?Posted by: critter at April 6, 2010 6:42 PM
The zygote is the single-celled stage of development which lasts less than a day. It is one of the stages of Embryonic development, as is the 4-week embryo.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at April 6, 2010 7:02 PM
Another sad abortion story:
Teen girl gets pregnant and her mother takes her to abort. Several years later, teen's older brother and his girlfriend become pregnant. Brother and his family push girlfriend to abort. Girlfriend refuses. Teen girl who aborted attempts suicide 3 X before the baby turns one. Everyone in family in counseling. Counselor said suicidal teen is dealing with extreme jealousy due to new baby in family and not to leave baby alone with her.
Abortion causes untold problems.Posted by: Praxedes at April 6, 2010 7:43 PM
Here's an idea for Angie Jackson. If you want attention that bad, try a reality show. I think the "Bad Girls Club" might be a good one for you. Anything but this!...Please get a life. Nobody wants to hear about your abortion.Posted by: Heather at April 6, 2010 8:20 PM
There are patterns of behavior before, during and after abortion. There are risks involved. There are consequences and pain and suffering years and years later. There are studies and books written on why women abort and why women abort 6,7,8 times. Experts have studied post abortive women and come to conclusions based on their studies.
I am not an "I told you so." kind of person. That comment is meant to shame another. I don't know very many here that are either. If Angie gets breast cancer in two years, I would be just as sad for her as I am today.Posted by: carla at April 6, 2010 10:13 PM
"Oh well - I hope one day life is better for her."
Me too. Let's lift her up in prayer!
God Bless.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at April 6, 2010 10:35 PM
Thank you Heather, it's sad that she couldn't let go. She had one live birth and gave him up for adoption, when he would have been 18 she went to go find him, she found out he had died at the age of 8 in a bicycle accident, she had an abortion before she got pregnant with him, she was in her 20s then. She was bright, beautiful and an awesome person she just didn't see who she really was and how many of us truly loved and cared for her. I was the one who found out about PASD in Randy Alcorn's book I had never heard of it. The center where she was going to get the counseling is run by women who also had been thru an abortion, as only they could truly know what she was going thru. i think there was past sexual abuse issues with her too, as she always chose much older men. I know she's in heaven now, but what a sad way to go. My heart always grieves over abortions and I've only been pregnant once and she's my only child. i was young and my daughter's father was my rapist. but I love and adore my daughter and know it's not her fault who her father is. I really have to get more involved in the pro life movement as many more are being led astray, I just came to realize there is a Planned parenthood right up the st from me, as we just moved here. So praying as to where God wants me to go from here. Heard too many heart breaking stories from women whose husband drugged them and forced them to abort, or women who were incested as a teen and their decision was taken from them and the state had them abort their child and it still haunts them to this day. So many of the anti life movement's excuses for abortion blow my mind, they focus on the women's right and life but never even touch on the life and value of the child.Posted by: Sonia at April 7, 2010 2:40 AM
Thank you for sharing a part of your story. Just writing that you were raped and gave your daughter life speaks volumes to those who believe rape is a really good reason to abort a baby.
Being involved with the issue of those wounded by abortion I have met many women who were raped, feeling victimized twice by rape then abortion.
I believe one day Angie will hit a brick wall of pain...I only hope she reaches out and asks for help. The beautiful thing will be-- it does not have to be so public. She can do it in privacy of her own home as she asks Jesus to come into her heart and heal her wounded soul.
God is good all the time!Posted by: ann marie at April 7, 2010 5:53 AM
Heather - I'm so sorry to hear about your bad experiences with men in the past. I agree that it's a serious gamble. And congratulations about the baby! That must be so exciting. :D
Sonia: I'm glad you realized you had the strength to give birth to your daughter. So many times women don't realize that they can't always have abortions when it's not convinient to have a baby and then be able to get pregnant again when it is.Posted by: Marauder at April 7, 2010 8:34 AM
Okay, everything else aside, what kind of mother lives with a guy who treats her son badly? Personally, I consider "barely acknowledging" a child you live with to be quite cruel.
Mothers who prioritize their boyfriends over their children make me sick.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at April 7, 2010 10:32 PM
Why do you refer to a 4 week zygote as a baby/child?
Posted by: critter at April 6, 2010 6:42 PM
At 4 weeks it's no longer a zygote.
Try an embryo with a beating heart. See:
BTW - Did you know that pregnancy is a medical diagnosis and can only be legally declared by a doctor? Did you know that doctors actually track every pregnancy (required to) whether the pregnancy results in a live birth or miscarriage/abortion?
So scientifically and legally, she's not pregnant if she's not "with child".Posted by: Chris Arsenault at April 8, 2010 7:59 AM
She seriously needs to have a psych evaluation done ASAP.Posted by: abortion pros and cons at April 8, 2010 2:53 PM