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Jill, ..good interview..Posted by: jasper at October 10, 2007 6:45 PM
Totally off-topic, but really interesting:
From Parents magazine-
Rhythm method more likely to kill embryos than other methods
Posted Jun 7th 2006 3:30PM by Heather Craven
Filed under: Health and Safety, Lifestyle, Pregnancy and Birth
Some bad news for devoted Pro-Lifers has just been released by the London School of Economics. The rhythm method, which employs the practice of only participating in intercourse when a woman is not in the fertile phase of her menstrual cycle, has proven to actually kill more embryos than other birth control methods. Conception can still occur after the fertile time but the embryo is unable to implant in the uterine wall, this causes embryonic death. Luc Bovens, of the London School of economics states, "millions of rhythm method cycles per year globally depend for their success on massive embryonic death."
This news is likely to be disheartening for couples who practice this method for religious reasons.
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I personally don't practice even the rhythym method (I feel it also would be within the contraceptive mentality -although I realize others who are Christians do disagree and I respect that- I used to disagree also).
I stopped using all methods once I realized what was happening with the birth control pills. I personally feel that this (what you posted) could be one reason why the Bible says not to deprive one another except with mutual consent for a time of fasting and prayer, if it is true. It's possible.
Posted by: Bethany
at October 11, 2007 10:36 AM
Jill, I wish I hadn't missed the interview!Posted by: Bethany at October 11, 2007 10:37 AM
Hi Bethany. Even though I'm Catholic, I definitely sympathize with your rejection of the rhythm method (or NFP). Personally, if it were up to me, I don't think I would allow the practice of NFP. But I'm not in charge, and so I submit myself to the teaching authority of the Church. But I digress. It's tough because we trust God with everything; why not our fertility? I apply that argument even to the case of NFP. God will not give a couple anything that they cannot handle. So I can very much see where you are coming from. God love you, Bethany.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 11, 2007 11:25 AM
Aww Bobby, thank you for understanding! God love you, Bobby.Posted by: Bethany at October 11, 2007 12:19 PM
God love you, Bobby.
I love you, Bobby.
Do you have any single friends who are exactly like you in every way?Posted by: Jacqueline at October 11, 2007 12:48 PM
Only 1 in 4 embryos successfully implant. But that's nature, not murder. There's a difference between being shot in the head and dying of cancer.
If babies fail to implant because of nature, that's sad. But it's not the fault of the mother unless the mother causes this failure to implant through doing unnatural things to her body.Posted by: Jacqueline at October 11, 2007 12:50 PM
And Bobby, an exposition on my declaration of love:
Our values are the same. I am not presuming to know better than the Church, but I see NFP practiced as the hip, morally-superior, Catholic birth control- used for the same selfish, shallow and worldly reasons that couples use artificial methods. I know Catholic and birth control should be oxymoronic, but that's what NFP appears to be used for more than it should be. It's promoted for young couples as an alternative to sinful mechanical/poison methods when The Church says it should be reserved for grave situations- health, for instance. So couples are thinking they practice it as a marital discipline rather than using worldy birth control. The reality should be that they would seek out NFP if the grave situation arose to mandate it, as those are rare. I know I would be overjoyed to have a baby before my first wedding anniversary- I wish other couples were like that- instead they're chastized for getting pregnant so quickly. That's why many Catholic newlyweds I know are ostentacious NFPers. That and wanted time to themselves before having kids. 9 months is enough for me!
Because of this over-use, some of the negative fruits of contraception have seeped into NFP- like "WE'll conceive when WE feel like WE can handle it." vs. trusting God's provision to handle it. Plus, God makes it clear in the epistles that sexual abstinence in marriage is a BAD thing except for short periods of fasting and prayer. Holy sex is supposed to be had- A LOT.
That's just my viewpoint- then again, I'm not married. I just hope whom I marry is game with my values of having holy sex- A LOT.Posted by: Jacqueline at October 11, 2007 1:02 PM
Awww, thank you for the kind words, Jacqu :) God love you.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 11, 2007 1:03 PM
Very well said, my friend. I think you articulated well the difference between those who use NFP for grave reasons and those who use it with a contraceptive mentality. Ya know, this whole thing about "needing to spend some time together to get to know each other, just the two of us" is such a myth. If you don't know each other, you shouldn't be getting married. All my wife and I are doing now is waiting for the baby to be born. I can't imagine married life without this baby, and when she's born, I'm sure I won't be able to remember married life when it was just the two of us. Not wanting to share the love that two spouses have in a marriage seems so selfish. God love you, Jacqu.Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 11, 2007 1:12 PM
"Holy sex is supposed to be had- A LOT"
amen, could you speak to my wife?Posted by: jasper at October 11, 2007 2:57 PM
I'm not touching that one, Jasper!Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 11, 2007 3:00 PM
I dunno Jasper- Maybe quote St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:5
"Do not refuse one another except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self-control."
I don't think a constant headache counts as an agreed-upon season. :)Posted by: Jacqueline at October 11, 2007 3:58 PM
"and when she's born, I'm sure I won't be able to remember married life when it was just the two of us."
no you won't, it is amazing.Posted by: rosie at October 11, 2007 7:58 PM
jasper, lol!Posted by: heather at October 12, 2007 9:24 AM