Sarah Palin's special bond

Ever since I held a baby with Down syndrome until he died, I've had a special place in my heart for these special people. So this MSNBC newscast of Sarah Palin's special fans choked me up...

The LA Times blog considers this broadcast evidence news coverage of Palin is fair and balanced, so we're apparently paranoid whiners for complaining otherwise.

[HT: Hot Air via moderator Carder]


Comments:

And yet, the kos kids and some of the commentators on this site want to paint her as the devil.

The LA Times does one honest story on Palin and uses that as evidence of balance? It's pretty hard to ignore what this woman stands for when it comes to the life issue.

There is more humanity in Sarah Palin than in the cold hearts of the press and the Democrats combined.

Posted by: Zee at October 17, 2008 7:23 AM


To bad she is running with someone who will cut the programs that help children with special needs... Right now Hilary Clinton is working on a bill to help them... and we all know in our community that works on these things that Mcain will slash all those funding programs..and put the money in the hands of bigger interest... Sorry guys.. she is a sweet emotional and caring person, who has no idea yet what it is like in the BIG WORLD to fight the Right WING on the programs that they have cut...

GO Obama.

Posted by: Jennifer at October 17, 2008 7:34 AM


Yep... and Sarah Palin needs to go talk personally with the families that have children with extensive special needs and she will soon realize that she is running with the wrong party...

Let's not forget Mcain couldn't even remember that Autism is different that Down Syndrome in the debate... Mcain is in charge..not S. Palin.

For those of you with kids with special needs, just know.. Sarah Palin is pretty and nice...and will "pray about it"...but she and her partner will make sure that the insurance companies deny your child services.. Welcome abroad the world of cold hearted Republicans..

Posted by: Nancy F. at October 17, 2008 7:37 AM


Um. Nancy. Gov. Palin's nephew has AUTISM, and McCain is specificially reaching out to the AUTISM community because autism affects more children then all other developmental disorders combined.

I love how everyone thinks "the democrats will help disabled children!" Yeah, by killing them prior to birth and then patronizing them throughout life. Some help.

Explain to me how the majority of posters on the autism site I frequent are conservative? People living with disabled children aren't flocking to to the dems. Why?

One reason is that with Universal Healthcare comes less medical freedom. Especially with the caution w/ vaccinations w/in the autistic community, it would be a HUGE setback if the government stepped in w/ their healthcare system and told parents that they HAD to get every vaccination on a non-flexible schedule. Most parents of autistic children do decide to get most vaccinations, but don't want someone like Obama elected who has stated that he is against selective vaccination.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 7:48 AM


Oh, and Nancy republican's aren't out their deviously trying to cut insurance benefits. Nice try though!

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 7:49 AM


Oh.My.Heart.
Having a good cry this morning for all of the parents that are raising children with special needs. I have never regretted my decision to be a Spec. Ed. teacher though everyone I knew told me to go for higher paying job! Being paid in love is much better!
Thanks Jill. I needed that.

Posted by: Carla at October 17, 2008 8:14 AM


"Oh, and Nancy republican's aren't out their deviously trying to cut insurance benefits. Nice try though!"

In America you have freedom to get a better job or income or even start your own company and pay all your medical care without insurance. It is sad that people do not see high income potential as American as welfare. We all have freedom to employ ourselves and be self insured.

Stop whining.

Posted by: xppc at October 17, 2008 8:24 AM


I have never regretted my decision to be a Spec. Ed. teacher though everyone I knew told me to go for higher paying job! Being paid in love is much better!

Nicely said, Carla. You really are a sweetheart.

Posted by: Doug at October 17, 2008 8:37 AM


xxpc, I'm not sure I understand why you quoted me.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 8:48 AM


Jill, your website has been an excellent source of factual information. I watched your Brian William's clip today. I am a mother of a child with Down Syndrome, and call me cynical but I think NBC had ulterior motives. Not all the pictures were flattering. I think NBC was just playing to their viewers' mindset that Sarah Palin is a nut
case and saying, "look at the people at her rallies" as if they are all intellectual midgets.
Peggy Miller

Posted by: Peggy at October 17, 2008 8:57 AM


Barack Obama, Jewish-Americans And Israel
Thursday, October 16, 2008
By: David Bedein

The Philadelphia Bulletin

From a personal and professional perspective, this is the sixth American Presidential campaign that I have covered from Israel, concentrating on the "Israel aspect" of the story.

This time I not only have covered the campaign from Israel - This time, I was assigned by The [Philadelphia] Bulletin to fly over and cover the Obama campaign at the time of the Pennsylvania primary in April.

My observation of the "Jewish American view of Sen. Obama" was that there was an atmosphere of unreality surrounding Jewish advocacy and Jewish opposition to Sen. Barack Obama.

Both pro-Obama and anti- Obama forces in the Jewish world related to the senator with an attitude of superficiality, paying more attention paid to the company that he keeps than to the policies that he stands for.

Yet here is the rub: None one has really heard where Sen. Obama stands on Middle East issues.

When I interviewed three of Sen. Obama's staffers who specialize in Middle East issues, I presented them with 18 questions. Besides the issue of Palestinian incitement, which his staffers said that he abhors, they could not provide any answers whatsover to basic questions put forward by The Bulletin last April.

With the multi-billion dollar arms package to Saudi Arabia about to reach the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of which Sen. Obama is a member, his staffers could not even say what his position was on arms to Saudi Arabia, which remains in a state of active war with Israel.

Indeed, Saudi Arabia currently funds Hamas, the Popular Front For The Liberation of Palestine (PLFP) and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), all of which are Palestinian terror organizations that actively engaged in planning operations against the Jewish state

After Sen. Obama's formal nomination as democratic candidate for president in late August, The Bulletin resubmitted these 18 basic questions.

Sen. Obama's staffers promised answers this time. None were forthcoming.

Yet there is a way to gain insight into Sen. Obama's policies towards Israel. Not by tabulating votes on the Senate floor and not by counting how many superlatives that he uses on Israel.

Instead, by paying attention to the three high ranking former U.S. State Department officials whom the Senator has hired: Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross and Daniel Kurtzer. The policy which characterizes all three of them is their consistent promotion of the PLO as a supposed peace partner with Israel for the past 20 years, no matter what the reality was.

This is the threesome that defined the PLO as a peace partner even after the PLO would not ratify the Oslo "declaration of principles" in October 1993.

This is the threeesome that attested to the fact that, in 1996, the PLO had cancelled its covenant to destroy Israel, when it had not done so.

This is the threesome who insisted on arming the PLO to fight Hamas even though the PLO made it clear from the outset that it would never engage Hamas in any full-scale war. And this is the threesome who promote a PLO state, come what may.

And this is the threesome who main committed to mobilizing Jewish Americans to support a PLO state, come what may.

From Sen. Obama's appointment of Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross and Daniel Kurtzer, it is easy to discern where the Senator stands - for the renewal of the Oslo process once again, this time with the teeth of an American administration that would impose a Palestinian state, even though it remains at war with the State of Israel.

The role played by Daniel Kurtzer has not been forgotten - as the man who wrote tough speeches for former U.S. Secretary of State James Baker when he pressured Israel 20 years ago.

What about Sen. Obama's sensitivity to the consquences of Arab terror?

After all, during his visit to the shell-shocked Israeli town of Sderot near Gaza, he met families whose homes and lives have been devastated by Arab missile attacks.

It was in Sderot where Sen. Obama looked into the eyes of each of these families and told them that he would never forget the consequences of what terror had done to people in Israel.

Yet on the very next morning, Sen. Obama addressed a crowd in Berlin in which he depicted how nations around the world had suffered from the consequences of terror. The senator named each of these nations. Yet he forgot to name Israel.

A short term retention span which deleted Israel as a nation whose people suffered the conseqeunces of terror could not have been a coincidence.

Sen. Obama gives prepared speeches.

The time has come to put aside platitudes and to stop judging Sen. Obama's attitude towards Israel from those who have endorsed him. His choices of advisors speak for themselves.

David Bedein is The Philadelphia Bulletin's Middle East Correspondent.

Posted by: HisMan at October 17, 2008 9:04 AM


The Rev. Jesse Jackson said: "Prepare for a new America. ... fundamental changes in US foreign policy. ... The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where decades of putting Israel's interests first would end. ... Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House. Obama is about change. And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it." ... "Bush was so afraid of a snafu and of upsetting Israel that he gave the whole thing a miss. ... Barack will change that, because, as long as the Palestinians haven't seen justice, the Middle East will remain a source of danger to us all." ... "Barack is determined to repair our relations with the world of Islam and Muslims." ... "Thanks to his background and ecumenical approach, he knows how Muslims feel ..."

God says: "I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you." ... "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." (Exodus 23:22; Hebrews 6:4-6).

The Jerusalem Connection says: Once again the latent anti-Semitism of Jesse Jackson emerges. While Jackson is "not a prophet nor the son of a prophet" what he said is probably prophetic. What rational person would doubt that in an Obama administration our support of Israel would diminish significantly. And with that diminishing support comes the curse of the God of Israel. (Genesis 12:3). The only hope for the United States and Israel in this season of spiritual down-spiraling, is for God to graciously intervene on behalf of those who know and love Him. O LORD, HAVE MERCY!

Posted by: HisMan at October 17, 2008 9:06 AM



A comment from my wife, Peggy.


Jill, your website has been an excellent source of factual information. I watched your Brian William's clip today. I am a mother of a child with Down Syndrome, and call me cynical but I think NBC had ulterior motives. Not all the pictures were flattering. I think NBC was just playing to their viewers' mindset that Sarah Palin is a nut
case and saying, "look at the people at her rallies" as if they are all intellectual midgets.

Peggy Miller

Posted by: Eric at October 17, 2008 9:19 AM


The only hope for the United States and Israel in this season of spiritual down-spiraling, is for God to graciously intervene on behalf of those who know and love Him.

HisMan, some time back, like a couple months, didn't you say that "if Obama wins, it will be God's will"?

Posted by: Doug at October 17, 2008 9:29 AM


They're beautiful, aren't they? :)

Posted by: Kel at October 17, 2008 9:36 AM


I love baby Trig!

I'm with you Carla, that brought tears to my eyes!

Posted by: Elizabeth (Gabriella's Momma) at October 17, 2008 9:37 AM


This video made me so happy this morning.

Posted by: Bethany at October 17, 2008 10:22 AM


Sarah Palin isn't going to anything for kids with disablities.. look at J. Mcain.. Sorry ya'll..but this one isn't flying with our disablity rights folks... your party has screwed that one up royally.. As long as you fight abortion.. you must fight for disabled rights and governmental sponsored programs..

John Mcain CAN CARE LESS about the disabled... Sarah Palin is a great prop for those who don't know the truth...

But hey... they are "Mavericks my friends!"--

Obama is the one out to serve.. and lets face it.. John Mcain tanked with steam coming out of his baggy skin on Wed.

-Matt

Posted by: Matt at October 17, 2008 10:25 AM


Ha! You are so right.. I just don't understand how so many people ignore the other part of the world in politics.. You all must be such sheltered humans...

If J. Mcain Wins... we will have a travisty for the disabled community... Those of you that are parents with disabled children, get ready for a long haul of grief and financial crisis...(if you aren't in it already).. Before you vote, talk to your legistature and check out the plans for programs that serve you children..

The republican record will prove to IGNORE the hurting.. They try every election to get those on board with abortion--morals, etc... John Mcain doesn't care about abortion.... He never has been an avid advocate...

Sorry...but you all are living under a rock!

Posted by: Janet at October 17, 2008 10:30 AM


Poor, poor Sarah Palin.. John Mcain thinks he is her Grandfather...

"I am so "proud" of her"--

GAG!
She acts like she has no idea what her running partner really stands for... Like she is going to change his views on spending for the disabled...

John Mcain is a liar!

Posted by: Landy at October 17, 2008 10:32 AM


As long as you fight abortion.. you must fight for disabled rights and governmental sponsored programs..

Matt, then I guess as long as you support abortion, you must fight to deny governmental support to those who choose not to abort their disabled children.


Posted by: Bethany at October 17, 2008 10:35 AM


HisMan, some time back, like a couple months, didn't you say that "if Obama wins, it will be God's will"?

Posted by: Doug at October 17, 2008 9:29 AM
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Yes, however, I've also said that Obama's election could mean that God has decided to judge our country. I can't say this with all certainty, however, the signs of the times are everywhere to be seen and it is extremely foolish to ignore them. Jesus said we would not know the exact time of His return, however, we would know that it was near by what was happening in the world. In light of all the GLOBAL economic turmoil, Iran's threats on Israel and the likelihood that Israel will preemptively strike Iran and possibly foment a nuclear exchange in the Middle East and the resulting abandonment of Israel even by the US, a pre-conditon for the end, things are not looking very good. It would also seem that a Barack Obama presidency would be more likely to abandon or condemn Israel if Israel took such pre-emptive and self-defesive actions. If the US did this, this would be the fatel and final death blow to our country. "God says: "I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you." ... "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." (Exodus 23:22; Hebrews 6:4-6)."

As believers who know that Barack Obama's views and policies ABSOLUTELY DO NOT line up with scripture, the most obvious of which is his pro-abortion stance, this can only mean that God is giving the US and the world what it wants and also leave us to the consequences of our choice.

Further, believers can move the heart of God as evidenced by this scripture: "2 Chronicles 7:13-15 13 "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 15 Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place."

However, if believers, the church - His people, choose to allow themselves to be decieved by their lack of faith, belief, and trust in God and knowlege of the Word, then God may not answer this prayer.

My prayer is that the church wakes up and repents of its apathy and disbelief so that God's grace and mercy prevail, and that Jesus Christ be lifted up within the United States once again.

God is not mocked. He will not allow abortion, homosexuality and ignorance of Him to continue unanswered.

I know this. The economic turmoil is filling up churches.

On a more ositive note, I got some great news today and it made my day.

Here's the story from Breaking Christian News:

"Ex Wheel of Fortune Host Reveals How Rock Hudson Received Christ Hours before His Death
Dan Wooding (October 17, 2008)
"Yes, it is true that Rock Hudson accepted Jesus Christ on his deathbed. I was staying with Rock Hudson and Shirley and Pat Boone also came up to pray with him."

(Beverly Hills, Ca.)—Susan Stafford, the original hostess of Wheel of Fortune, has revealed how she was present when a Catholic priest led Rock Hudson in the "sinner's prayer" to receive Jesus Christ into his life just hours before his death on Oct. 2, 1985 of complications from AIDS.

Stafford, who preceded Vanna White on the popular game show, revealed the inside story of Rock Hudson's final hours in an interview with me at the recent 10th Annual Media Fellowship International Praise Brunch at the Beverly Hills Hotel. (Photo: Pat Sajak, present host of Wheel Of Fortune, Susan Stafford and Merv Griffin)

"Yes, it is true that Rock Hudson accepted Jesus Christ on his deathbed," she told me. "I was staying with Rock Hudson and Shirley and Pat Boone also came up to pray with him."

Susan Stafford, a born-again Christian, said that also there at that time was Fr. Terrance A. Sweeney, a five-time Emmy Award winning producer, an ex-Jesuit priest who was ordained to the priesthood on June 15, 1973. "Rock was a Roman Catholic and so we called in Fr. Sweeney and he prayed the 'sinner's prayer,' with him and then I prayed as did one of his nurses named Toni," she said. "I later did Rock's funeral."

Stafford, who now has a PhD, has also authored a book on some of her life's experiences. She has worked with famous Hollywood celebrities, with leprosy patients in Third World countries with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, AIDS patients (including Rock Hudson), working as a Chaplain Intern with Dr. John Stehlin in Houston with cancer patients, receiving a PhD in Psychology, and counseling with survivors and families at Columbine High School in Colorado, following the tragic shootings.

She has been called a "Goodwill Ambassador to the World" and that seems to be a fitting title. Describing her life as full is an understatement.

Susan has shared in her book how she has learned (and continues to learn) to deal with the realities of life we all face."

Rock Hudson who was a life-long homosexual accepted Jesus Christ on his death bed. God is good. Belated congratulations Rock on your promotion. This is what the Gospel is all about, this is what God's love is all about. He will forgive all and everyone who turns to Him without exception.

Posted by: HisMan at October 17, 2008 10:36 AM


Keep ignoring that Obama opposed the Pregnant Women Support Act and SCHIPS.

And yea, McCain hates disabled children. Never mind that he and his wife rescued and adopted a young girl with a severe and debilitating cleft palate out of the slums of Calcutta.

Twist and turn, twist and turn, spin, spin, spin.

Posted by: DeeL at October 17, 2008 10:48 AM


The tears come when I see Sarah and Trig, and definitely after watching this video. I am a mom of a son with AS, and I dread the day they develop prenatal testing for it because I will have to explain to my son why some people would prefer that people like him were aborted. People with DS children already face that terrible reality. God bless Sarah, Trig, and their whole family.

Posted by: The Other Erin at October 17, 2008 10:49 AM


Also Jill, I am so thankful you were there to witness the life of the child you watched die. Thankful for all the work you do as a tribute to that baby thrown away by his own parents.

Posted by: The Other Erin at October 17, 2008 10:51 AM


Well my son was born under Pres. Bush and has numerous special needs. Aside from issues regarding government beauracracy, that would exist under any president (and especially under a democratic president) we haven't had any trouble getting him services.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 10:53 AM


I have a disabled child..and she has maxed out our policy--- we cannot be accepted by medicaid because we make just enough over the amount needed... Non of my employers will ever finance her.. We are on waiting lists...and our family is in economic shambles.. We DECIDED to not abort our baby.. we love her and care for her..but this IS a national issue.. if your child gets very ill and you don't have a good policy... you are screwed.. The waiver program that we need takes 7yrs to get to it.. and my daughter might die by then..

This is a real deal... When I sit with families and other children that are being ignored by our system, I am in awe...

In 5 months my child racked up a 3.5 million dollar medical bill... and insurance sent me a notice saying I maxed...

So those of you that don't see it..it is a problem..

Medicine saves many more lives than they did even when Jill was a nurse... I am there... I see it.. But we simply are left out there with no recources..

Mcain and Palin are good people, but the Republican party has a long history of not fighting this battle... I am always pro-life..but I am also pro-life once they are born also... The government does need to step in with special circumstances and with teh plan that John Mcain laid out...well... it is farewell to any chance for us or my fellow friends in this boat...

And remember.. state to state is different...

Jill is doing good, good work..but the voice of the thousands of families in crisis needs to be heard... The unborn don't have a voice.but either does my child... she has NO VOICE.. WE ARE HER VOICE!! Pro-life is a continues after the birth guys... disabled children, many of them cannot speak!

Posted by: Daniel at October 17, 2008 11:07 AM


Well, as a person with autism, I'm unimpressed.

The way for a candidate to win votes is to demonstrate superior knowledge and understanding of the issues currently facing our nation. Not appealing to a small demographic saying "I'm just like you!!!"

Posted by: Erin at October 17, 2008 11:26 AM


Daniel I am so sorry for your situation.

I just don't think Obama's health care plan would care about those who really need it (like your child).

Matt - Since many babies that are aborted are those that would have disabilities (like Trig), do you think he cares about the ones that are born? Like I told Daniel, I don't know if Obama's plan would help those truly in need.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 17, 2008 11:34 AM


An interesting personal story may be a reason to vote for someone on "American Idol", not for Vice President, and likely President, since McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor with a 20% chance of dying in his first term.

The Washington Post endorsed Obama, the primary reason being "McCain's ...irresponsible choice of a running mate who is not ready to be president".

Palin has largely gotten a pass from the press, in part because whe refuses to talk to them. Do you seriously believe that someone who is afraid to talk to Katie Couric can stand up to the nutty president of Iran?

Everything about Palin's public record, very little of which has been examined in the MSM, show a history of corruption, cronyism, incompetence and personal vendettas that disqualify her for any public office. If you want to learn about Palin, check out "Mudflats" a political blog by an Alaskan.

I hope when people vote, they remember this is not a "reality show" with an "interesting" contestant- this IS reality, and Palin's complete lack of qualifications disqualifies both her and McCain, who irresponsibly chose her.

Posted by: PPC at October 17, 2008 11:42 AM


I have to say.. Mcains plan is awful for those of us in this situation...And actually, many democrats actually stand by many issues that are long standing with the disablity community...

Obviously politics is politics..and neither plan is perfect..but Mcains plan is down right scary...

Posted by: daniel at October 17, 2008 11:50 AM


Daniel, have you tried getting on SSI? If you get SSI, you should also get SSI medicaid, in fact you might be able to get medicaid through the SSI program even if you make too much and your child is not institutionalized if they deem that home care will be less expensive than institutionalized care.

Here's the page about qualifying income. http://www.socialsecurity.gov/ssi/text-income-ussi.htm

You might have already tried this and hit a brick wall, but it's definitely worth a shot!

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 11:50 AM


http://www.nwherald.com/content/gallery/gallery_3/album_6/midsize_photo48f65b7ac5a96334735845.jpg

Posted by: DeeL at October 17, 2008 11:54 AM


SSI will not cover a child if they make over a certain income.. and for me it is 60,000 dollars per year... my child also remained in the hospital for 3 extra months because we had no funding-- and SSI only covers when she was IN the hospital..but once we were discharged it would be taken away..and she was unable to be at home without home nursing..
I am helping right now 18 families in the same situation in my county... in the same place...

A fact for everyone.. this is a big deal.. most of these babies are either severely preterm newborns weighing under 500gm at birth and with chronic lung disease..and several with severe syndrome disorders...that the families decided to keep...

believe me..we have exhausted our recources and hit a brick wall.. Please don't let insurance companies drive our healthcare...

Posted by: Anonymous at October 17, 2008 11:55 AM


I wrote teh above exerpt.. forgot my name on it..

Posted by: daniel at October 17, 2008 11:56 AM


daniel, it's not "scary" for families that don't get insurance through their employeers. We have to buy private insurance, so the 5000 tax offset will help us.

Now, this is a bit tongue in cheek, but I just read an article today saying that Hawaii just ended their universal children's healthcare plan because too many people were getting off of their private plans and onto the government plan. It said that those making OVER 71,000 would no longer qualify for medicaid. Now, I don't know how much you make, but that's WAY more than the median income in our country. It makes me wonder what other states income requirements are.

I agree that insurance in our country is broken. Trust me, I can't get any sort of maternity coverage for myself ever, no matter how much money I would be willing to pay unless I go through medicaid because of pre-existing conditions. There's something very wrong with that. Of course, they don't just outright exclude me, they just make riders that exclude me to statsify laws against doing so.

It's very, very frustrating. But, as much as I think our system is broken, I just don't think the government is the answer. I think that programs like SSI medicaid should be more easily accessable to people like your child and my child, but I don't think that the government should become a major player in the health industry for *everyones* care.

Honestly, I don't know what the best solution is, but I have seen how the government runs things and I just don't think that they best serve the country's health needs for most people.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 12:00 PM


Daniel, my son was one of the preemies who got SSI automatically, so we've definitely been very thankful for that.

Did you petition to prove that your costs would be lower if you provided home care and not institutionalized care?

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 12:02 PM


Daniel, I don't mean this to be at all calous, because it is a decision that we struggle with all the time, but have you considered downsizing out of the income requirements?

I know that in a lot of areas of the country this is impossible, but in Texas, 60,000 will get you a very good standard of living. We HATE that we have to balance making more money with the possibility of my son losing his insurance, but unfortunately it is the way the system works. It SHOULDN'T work like this, but it does.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 12:07 PM


I just noticed a few of the writings above...

I also am pro-life, and have worked hard in the world of perinatal medicine.. When the BAIPA was passed it was wonderful.. however, that was awhile ago... Now we are facing new challenges..

Neonatal ICU's are attempting to save more and more babies.. Medicine has become quite good.. but we do suffer teh effects of this. Daniel's case is a prime example.

Many children in our NICU who have severe anomalies, cardiac defects(for example) and especially extreme premies live in our units for months on end... If they start out with insurance, I can almost bet that they will max out their policy.. I always ask the family if they have a life-time max. Because many of our babes max 2.5 million in 3 months.

So what happens then? The family applies for SSI--SSI takes the information on the family income, infant diagnosis and family situation. Usually, most children if severe enough aquire SSI in their hospital stay, but if the family, makes over the financial bracket they lose the SSI once discharged. What that means is the child has NO funding source, and many middle class families are up a creek.

So what happens? We have many children that stay in the hospital for months unecessary, running up governement spending.. It doesn't make sense, but it it the reality. Waiver programs are far and in between. In my state we have a prgram called MDCP-Medically Dependent Children's Program, it has a 7-9 yr waiting list(like stated above) and the "ryder" to get into it earlier is complicated and takes months. Once they recieve this program, they get Medicaid until age 21.

Many children cannot go home if they have insurance because many policies have provisions on homecare needs... we have some that only supply 20 visits a year-- or 100hrs a year... and these children are on ventilators, home equipment and have multiple needs.

Have we sent families home with not enough assistance, yes. Have we seen children die because of this negligence, yes..

Insurance companies driving healthcare for our children is not a good thing..The amount of stories like Daniels are multiplying.. an with our healtcare advancement, we have to have some sort of protection for children..

Posted by: Dana at October 17, 2008 12:07 PM


Yes.. we have downsized... my wife stays home and takes care of the children, I work for computer technology. We have 78,000 dollars of medical bills and we now don't own our home.

We live in a small home, have 2 old vehicles, got rid of our pets... hmmm. Lets say, 60,000 dollars hardly covers a family of 4 anymmore, much less a family of 4 with a severely disabled child...

The system is the system...

Posted by: Daniel at October 17, 2008 12:10 PM


I read over one of my posts and I think I need to clarify things a bit. I think that medicaid should be there for anyone facing catastrophic medical emergencies when their private insurance fails them. However, medicaid is such a flawed system that I don't think that the government should be taking over everyone's care. Does that make sense? I think people are better off getting standard care on their own insurance plans because they will get better care. But when things get bad and private insurance fails, medicaid should be there as a safety net.

Of course, this is a flawed system as well, but I think it's the best we can do until we can figure out a better system for everyone.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 12:12 PM


Talk is cheap and Palin knows next to NOTHING about what it means to have a special needs child.

My sister is 40 and still undiagnosed. For McCain to tell America that Palin somehow knows more about what it means to have a mentally retarded child than anyone else is a slap in the faces of all siblings and parents who have been in the system for years and watched their loved ones struggle not only with their own limitations but a system that doesn't care.

When Palin slashed Special Olympics by half, she sure didn't show any "understanding."

If she cared so much for Trig, she wouldn't use him so mercilessly as a campaign prop. I wish her and her family well as they come to more fully understand the path they're on, but I am not inspired by her except to feel outrage at her hubris.

Posted by: Theresa Darklady Reed at October 17, 2008 12:14 PM


Yeah.. but I think we should remember, BO plan isn't total socialized medicine.. John Mcains plan is complete insurance take-over... very scary..

Lets say...this, we need to advocate more with the republicans to push better care of children with special needs... But should any family be uninsured because the insurance company was ALLOWED to have a 1million max with teh cost of healthcare...

Posted by: Dana at October 17, 2008 12:15 PM


Wow.. this is one of the better blogs.. these are REAL issues..

Hilary Clinton is actually working a bill to assist children and adults with special needs to aquire governmental assistance.. This is huge..

Why is health care allowed to do this? Mcain and Palin will get the Federal Healthplan.. so they can't even try to understand!

This is a big deal and BO plan actually makes room for insurance companies... But will also save more lives..

Pro-Life anyone?

Posted by: Amber at October 17, 2008 12:20 PM


Daniel, we are also a family of 4 and we live on about 40,000. In our area of the country 40,000 is more than enough to cover all expenses. I know that moving isn't always an option, but there are definitely areas of the country where 60,000 would be more than enough for you to have a *good* standard of living. As for the medical bills, have you talked to the hospital about payment matching through their charity arm? I know one of my NICU nurses told me that she was able to have the hospital match her payments when her son had cancer. It's worth a try. I'm trying to think outside the box, though I'm sure you've probalby been over all of this already.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 12:27 PM


Amber, I'm glad to hear of Hillary's work though I'd have to see the plan to make a real judgement.

I will say that I'm much happier w/ Obama's plan (which is really just Hillary's old plan) than the original HillaryCare tha was just total government controlled healthcare. We're making progress, but we're definitely not there yet.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 12:41 PM


Here's a good commercial:

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 1:04 PM


ooops...it didn't work!

go to neverfindout.org and click on "punishment"

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 1:06 PM


Whoa, a fair number of Obots today. I'm impressed, Obama must be paying you again. No need to point you out: you know who you are.


Jill, I just wanted to say that I saw that video that Brian Williams introduced. He got his digs in then let the video play. The video was beautiful and Brian Williams is wrong. Sarah is not under attack, maybe by the MSM (Brian W. etc.), but not from normal people.

I almost cried as I have two special needs grand children and she spoke right to my heart. It's about time these children and brought to the attention of the American public.

Where I work we have some kids and adults who are Downs people who come by and pick up our recyclables. There are so polite and friendly and never cause a fuss. I really enjoy them.

My two grandkids both boys one is 12 and Autistic and the other is 8 and has Aspergers. I've been posting all over the place so I may have said this already but these children are difficult and my wife and I provide the parents with needed respite sometimes.

Any way, Jill, keep up the good work.

Posted by: Andy at October 17, 2008 1:09 PM


I think the implication that many of Palin's supporters are mentally challenged is in this, and that it is a false claim; however, there are far worse deficiencies to take into consideration.

Do you treat, care for, and help a sick or disabled person, or do you kill him? Do you measure the value of a person’s life in money? Or in utilitarian usefulness? The cost to society to care for all the physically and mentally handicapped among us is but a tiny fraction of the cost to society for the morally deformed among us. Professor Jerome Lejeune, discoverer of the chromosomal pattern of Down’s syndrome once related to us a story he had heard from a geneticist colleague which illustrates this well:

"Many years ago, my father was a Jewish physician in Braunau, Austria. On one particular day, two babies had been delivered by one of his colleagues. One was a fine, healthy boy with a strong cry. His parents were extremely proud and happy. The other was a little girl, but her parents were extremely sad, for she was a Mongoloid baby. I followed them both for almost fifty years. The girl grew up, living at home, and was finally destined to be the one who nursed her mother through a very long and lingering illness after a stroke. I do not remember her name. I do, however, remember the boy’s name. He died in a bunker in Berlin. His name was Adolf Hitler."

Jill, it was such a joy getting to hear and meet you last evening. "Christ" hospital indeed makes a mockery of it's name; but then, abortion corrupts everything it touches; turning healers into killers, defenders of the innocent into attackers (article on this forthcoming). Woe unto those who call evil good and good evil...and blessings on you for calling murder what it is.


Posted by: janet s. at October 17, 2008 1:19 PM


Becky. Thanks for your link to http://neverfindout.org/

Many fine videos there. I will let some on other forums know.

Posted by: Andy at October 17, 2008 1:42 PM


I think this article demonstrates just how furious all the sterile, cold hearted feminists are about Sarah Palin's presence on the political stage.
Imagine a woman who's had FIVE children and is still on her first husband, looks great etc.
These harridan's can hardly bear it!

Spittin' Sisters

Posted by: Patricia at October 17, 2008 1:48 PM


"In America you have freedom to get a better job or income or even start your own company and pay all your medical care without insurance."

You need money to go to college and you need a degree if you hope to get any type of decent paying job unless you decide you want to become a "superstar" which is like one in a million. Do you know how hard it is to pay you're way through college? Even if you go to a community college. A degree from a community college will not get you a job that pays enough to cover medical expenses if you have just one really sick family member. My sister has a heart condition I know the doctors visits add up. Or paying for a family member to have cancer treatments? You don't live in America, you live in your own little world if you think it's that easy to pay for medical care with insurance, let alone without.

Posted by: Jess at October 17, 2008 1:51 PM


"And yea, McCain hates disabled children. Never mind that he and his wife rescued and adopted a young girl with a severe and debilitating cleft palate out of the slums of Calcutta."

McCain left his disabled wife the first chance he got. It's easy to just adopt a special needs kid and dump them with an assistant then actually live with one that would prevent him from doing all these fun things like sleeping with younger women.

Posted by: Jess at October 17, 2008 1:58 PM


Patricia feminism is about seeing women as equal to men. Feminism is about giving them the same choices and rights as everyone else. She has the right to do what she is doing, we have the choice to disagree.

Maybe if Palin wasn't against taking away women's choice she would be a bit more popular with us?

Posted by: Jess at October 17, 2008 2:04 PM


and what "choice" would that be Jess?
The "choice" to end another female's life so the born woman can go on without the slightest convenience.
I'm for equality for all women - both my born and unborn sisters. (and brothers)
What kind of woman is it that wants equality at the expense of 1.5 MILLION lives per year?
And what does that say about the feminine mind and heart?

Posted by: Patricia at October 17, 2008 2:07 PM


Um, Jess I mean no offense by this, but you honestly don't know what you're talking about.

Anyone can go down to UPS and start loading boxes for 9.00/hr and have the best insurance one could imagine. I know because my huband did this. Then, after 6 months you can be promoted to a supervisor and make 14/hr. After another year or 2 you can make full time and make 23/hr. In less than 10 years you could make over 100,000/year w/out a degree.

Or you could go the driver route and make 75,000/year in less than 2 years.

Seriously, if you want to have $0.00 premiums, $25 copays, and coverage for everything under the sun...go work at UPS.

As for school:

If you are on your own paying for school you can qualify for pell grants. If you go to community college you can more than cover your expenses and come out with a degree in nursing, or mechanics, or air traffic control, and make at least 50,000/yr. In fact, these "trade" type degress earn you more than any B.A or even B.S. starting pays. The problem is that with only an associates you probably won't go beyond 50k, but at that point you can always go back to school for more earning potential.

Jess, I live this. This is my life. My husband and I are both college students. It's do-able. It's not necessarally "easy" but it's doable.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 2:20 PM


Feminism is about giving them the same choices and rights as everyone else.

Jess: far as I know men can't abort the babies they father.

Women are the only people on the face of the earth that can legally kill another human being and get away with it.

Posted by: Patricia at October 17, 2008 2:30 PM


Patricia @ 2:30,

Amen!!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Dumb question, I know, cause I could Google and find the answer, but how did the election go in Canada?

Posted by: Janet at October 17, 2008 2:36 PM


Do you think Sarah feels the same way about special needs kids in the un-american towns in our country:

"We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation. This is where we find the kindness and the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans."

Posted by: PeachPit at October 17, 2008 2:42 PM


Lauren,
Your comments have resonated with me today. In our family of six we live on less than $50,00/year. We are putting as much as we can against our debts. Getting out of debt, getting an emergency fund in place, college funds and giving money to charities are top priorities.
We work, we play and we don't rely on government to solve our problems.
I expect my children to work hard and not live beyond their means and feel as though they deserve to have a big screen tv when they can't pay for it.

Posted by: Carla at October 17, 2008 2:43 PM


Lauren,
You mean you and Oliver see yourselves as, gasp, personally responsible for your own and your family's well being?

Jess,
You are everything that is wrong with giving petulant little college girls the right to vote. Your view is "what is the government gonna do for me?" You have your eye on my wallet every bit as much as your savior does. Here's an idea. Work hard in high school, earn as much scholarship money as you can, take out loans or work your butt off and pay for your own schooling. I'm sorry, but this notion that I owe you a college eduction is just plain wrong.

And as for McCain dumping his disabled wife, I think if you were honest with yourself you might come to admit that maybe, just maybe, he and his first wife were significantly different people when he returned from Viet Nam. Both of them had suffered life altering traumas during their long separation and without the benefit of each other to pull them through. To assert that his marriage fell apart simply because he came home to a disabled wife is disingenuous. And, in case you missed it, McCain has announced to the world that he accepts full responsibility for the failure of his marriage and has repeatedly expressed that it is the worst mistake of his life. He can't undo it Jess. But he did learn from it. He has been faithfully married to Cindy McCain for nearly 30 years. It is with her that he adopted and cared for the little girl from India.

Posted by: DeeL at October 17, 2008 2:47 PM


That's the biggest thing. When my husband and I were first married, we got into alot (well not really alot by most people's standards, but alot to us)of credit card debt. We are slowly working to pay it off. We haven't bought anything on credit in the past year. It's hard, but it definitely keeps us living squarly within our means.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 2:48 PM


I just noticed a new "Janet" @ 10:30 AM. She added an "s" after her name on the next comment.

The "old" Janet.

Posted by: Janet at October 17, 2008 2:49 PM


HI "old" Janet:
Well the Conservative part got in again but with a much larger government - a "large" majority
my riding saw the prolife, profamily guy elected
and my ex's lawyer/Liberal candidate defeated!!
Made me doubly happy!!

On my way to work this morning I heard the CBC broadcaster interviewing some liberal guy and he was saying how the Canadian liberal party needs a messiah. He said "well, they've got one down south" -meaning Obama. Made me feel icky.....

Posted by: Patricia at October 17, 2008 3:11 PM


On my way to work this morning I heard the CBC broadcaster interviewing some liberal guy and he was saying how the Canadian liberal party needs a messiah. He said "well, they've got one down south" -meaning Obama.

.Hosanna, Obama!


Made me feel icky....

Patricia, I know just what you mean.

Posted by: DeeL at October 17, 2008 3:18 PM


Congratulations, by the way, on your at least partial victory!

Posted by: DeeL at October 17, 2008 3:19 PM


Patricia,

Yeah on the election! I hope we are "yeahing" after Nov. 4th too.

Perhaps they were mocking our Messiah? I think the freedom from religion clause in the Bill of Rights (?) would negate Obama's perceived right to declare himself as such. Oh darn. :-)

Posted by: Janet at October 17, 2008 4:30 PM


DeeL when did I say you owe me a college education? And yeah living on $50,000 a year, when you have medical expenses that reach into the hundreds of thousands $50,000 is not nearly enough to live on.

Lauren and Carla DeeL said, "In America you have freedom to get a better job or income or even start your own company and pay all your medical care without insurance."
He said we do not need to be insured to afford whatever medical care we need. You and DeeL are not living in the real world where people have legitimate medical needs and there jobs don't always throw them enough insurance. Oh yes, UPS? And they can hire everyone who is uninsured? I didn't know there company was that big. Where I work you can buy health insurance through them, but it's about half your paycheck. So there are basically two things you can do in the real world, keep telling people to work hard and save for those rainy days (because it should be easy for any family to save up say $250,000 for their kids heart transplant), or you can stop complaining and socialize health care.

Posted by: Jess at October 17, 2008 4:54 PM


A maintenance worker at our school has a son who needs a heart transplant and we've been having a lot of fundraisers because even with his job and insurance their family still can't afford the medical costs.

Well I'm sure if they just went a few nights without dessert they could have easily covered the bill. *eye-roll*


Posted by: Jess at October 17, 2008 4:58 PM


"I expect my children to work hard and not live beyond their means and feel as though they deserve to have a big screen tv when they can't pay for it."

They probably feel entitled because you always tell them how amazingly special they are because they have human DNA. You know there used to be a time when a person had to actually achieve something before everyone thought they were "special."

P.S. As to my last post I believe in orderly anarchy, the government should stay out of your life as much as possible, including paying for you to maintain your lifestyle. However I do not think sick children should be denied medical care because there parents don't work for UPS.

Posted by: Jess at October 17, 2008 5:03 PM


Obama has been endorsed by the LA Times and the Chicago Tribune- its first endorsement of a Democrat in its 161 year history. The Tribune noted McCain's failure in his first executive decision- "by passing up a number of qualified Republican women, and picking Palin, who is not prepared to serve, McCain put his campaign before his country".

Whatever Palin's merits may be as a mother, she is not qualified for the office of VP, and given Mc Cain's age and health, no responsible and serious voter can vote McCain/Palin.

Posted by: PPC at October 17, 2008 5:12 PM


PPC:

Just say it: "I hate Christian women".

Posted by: HisMan at October 17, 2008 5:20 PM


Lethbridge voted Conservative too... which I don't get... because they cut arts funding... and they've got a fine arts university in Lethbridge... so...

I don't know. It's a mystery. Whatever.

Posted by: Leah at October 17, 2008 6:03 PM


Perhaps they were mocking our Messiah? I think the freedom from religion clause in the Bill of Rights (?) would negate Obama's perceived right to declare himself as such. Oh darn. :-)

Posted by: Janet at October 17, 2008 4:30 PM

Nope. the CBC which is our publicly funding tv and radio are vehemently and vociferously proabort.
I won't say what I think of them (and I'm not alone either....)

Posted by: Patricia at October 17, 2008 6:18 PM


it is good to see another pro-life UPS wife on here!

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 6:26 PM


Yeah, Jennifer, keep telling yourself that. Lauren's right -- the Dems as a PARTY want to cut medical care for the neediest kids. They call it "focusing on prevention" but what it means is that if you're "disabled", then your "quality of life" is so low that it's not "cost effective" to provide you with medical care.

It's kind of what we saw with community mental health centers. They were supposed to help people with chronic, debilitating mental illness living in the community. They ended up providing care to the Worried Well, while the folks with florid schizophrenia became street people.

Posted by: Christina at October 17, 2008 6:41 PM


Peggy, did you get an uncomfortable feeling that it was very deliberate that they had the faces of the folks with disabilities and the voiceover was about how they were "not there" ... "for the politics," of course. The link between the faces of folks with mental handicaps and the words so often used to disparagingly describe them was pronounced.

Posted by: Christina at October 17, 2008 6:44 PM


Daniel, we definitely need a "catastrophic care" insurance that helps the middle class as well as the poor. There are people who can afford to pay for ordinary care, but cancer or a kid with intense, chronic medical needs will send them to the poorhouse without help.

But one other strategy is to reduce costs.

I once had the excellent good fortune to get coverage by an HMO that gave me better care than any insurance plan I'd ever been under, more conveniently, and at much lower cost.

For example, how they handled emergency care.

They had an on-call doctor -- no doubt on salary -- who handled after-hours calls. You were to clear any ER visits through him or her first unless the emergency seemed too urgent to wait. And believe me, you WANTED to go through them first unless you knew you were in such bad shape you'd end up at the head of the triage line.

I'll give you examples from our experience:

1. Hot bacon grease splashed in eye. I described what I felt. My husband got on the line and described what the eye looked like. She told me to put an ice pack on it and if it was still painful or discolored after 15 minutes call back for more assessment or care. The ice pack did the job. Not only were we saved the major inconvenience of an ER visit, the HMO saved a buttload of money.

2. Husband cut hand. The doctor had us meet her at the clinic. She opened the door, got out a suture kit, and stitched him up. No ER visit. Much more convenient for us, a LOT cheaper for the HMO.

3. My daughter had chest pain. Family history was that my sister had experienced a heart attack at age EIGHT. Doc had us meet her at the ER, where the HMO leased a consultation room. The doc examined her, did an EKG, concluded that it was muscle pain and not a heart problem. No long wait in triage. And I'm sure that leasing that room and the equipment cost the HMO a lot less than paying for an ER visit.

4. Car slipped off jack, landed on husband's foot. Again, doc met us at ER in leased consultation room. She examined the foot and sent us for X-rays. The foot wasn't broken, she sent us home with instructions to put ice on it. Again, much more convenient for them, much cheaper than the HMO.

But when I needed partial hospitalization for PTSD symptoms, they approved it promptly and in full, no jumping through hoops. I got the care I needed, quickly and with no red tape -- no doubt because the HMO was cutting unnecessary costs and thus could afford to cover necessary costs.

I don't know what they'd do with a catastrophic illness or accident, but I do know that they demonstrated that you don't always need more money to provide better health care. Managing costs for situations like these certainly would free up money for people who had catastrophic needs.

Posted by: Christina at October 17, 2008 6:55 PM


Peggy: "...and call me cynical but I think NBC had ulterior motives. Not all the pictures were flattering."

Peggy, that was my reaction too. I am also a mother of a child with DS. Granted, all of us can have our unflattering moments, but when I looked at that clip, it looked to me like the little ones were squirmy and crying, like having a child with DS was difficult or something. Far from our experience and many others I know. I have noticed this on other left-leaning media documentaries on DS also.

Posted by: Eileen at October 17, 2008 7:05 PM


Jess, your obnoxious. No, UPS can't employee the whole world, but they are an example of what a private company can acomplish to solve the problem. If one company can figure it out, don't you think others could to?

What I'm saying is that if someone finds themselves in a dire situation, there are companies that will hire and give insurance. Even people without college educations can get these jobs, as unionized jobs are often blue color. This isn't a solution for everyone in America, but it would help. UPS is constantly hireing. Half my husband's employees were working there as a second job just to get insurance.

Posted by: lauren at October 17, 2008 7:22 PM


PPC:

Just say it: "I hate Christian women".

Posted by: HisMan at October 17, 2008 7:42 PM


i really think we are all over analyzing this news clip. the first time i saw it i was choked up. however, the more times i see it, the easier it becomes to rip it up and try to dissect it. the msnbc audience only saw it once and hopefully thay had the same inital reaction. this clip was posted at 7:00 this morning, we have had all day to play it over and over again and analyze it. i think we should just go with our inital gut reaction and quit being so critical.

just my opinion, take from it what you want.

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 7:45 PM


PPC @ 5:12,

Obama has been endorsed by the LA Times and the Chicago Tribune- its first endorsement of a Democrat in its 161 year history. The Tribune noted McCain's failure in his first executive decision- "by passing up a number of qualified Republican women, and picking Palin, who is not prepared to serve, McCain put his campaign before his country".

Whatever Palin's merits may be as a mother, she is not qualified for the office of VP, and given Mc Cain's age and health, no responsible and serious voter can vote McCain/Palin.

No responsible voter should vote for Obama.

Before you get too excited about the Democratic endorsement, please note that this is the first presidential election that the Tribune Company has been privately owned. Billionaire Sam Zell bought the Tribune Company in 2007, publisher of the L.A. Times and the Chicago Tribune. He also owns the Chicago Cubs.

In Political Contributions, Zell Leans Right and Wife Leans Left
Nearly 70 percent of prospective Tribune Co. owner's donations to Republicans
By Brendan McGarry and Ben Welsh

WASHINGTON, April 4, 2007 — Samuel Zell, real estate mogul, billionaire and the prospective new owner of the Tribune Co., has given more than $100,000 in political contributions since the 1998 election cycle, most of it supporting Republican causes according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission records by the Center for Public Integrity.

His wife Helen, however, stands on the other side of the political divide, giving almost entirely to Democrats and abortion rights groups. Together, the Zells give generously to candidates from both political parties....

.....She was an early supporter of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., investing $12,000 in his 2004 Senate campaign before his speech at the Democratic National Convention in Boston that catapulted him to political fame. Her financial support for Obama helped fuel his Democratic primary win over Blair Hull and totals $17,700 through June 2006.

Zell also has contributed to Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee and abortion rights political action committees, including Voters For Choice/Friends of Family Planning and NARAL Pro-Choice America PAC.

Excerpt from :http://projects.publicintegrity.org/telecom/report.aspx?aid=822

Posted by: Janet at October 17, 2008 7:49 PM


Sorry, here is the link again:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/report.aspx?aid=822

Posted by: Janet at October 17, 2008 7:51 PM


To people who say Sarah Palin is not qualified I would like to ask.... what makes Nobama qualified?

A scant 4 years in the US senate, 3 of those years running for President? Not sure how long he was in the Illinois Senate, except long enough to support infanticide.

Regarding the Canadian election.... our "conservative" PM is liberal on social issues... when he said he would not allow the abortion debate to be opened again he lost my vote. I wont vote "conservative" again until they replace him with a pro life leader. The previous leader Stockwell Day is pro life.

Anyway we have no abortion law in Canada. Abortion on demand. Its a tragedy and a crime.

I dont want to see this happen in the US and fear it would if Nobama and a Democratic congress have their way.

Posted by: Joanne at October 17, 2008 8:25 PM


"i think we should just go with our inital gut reaction and quit being so critical."

Becky, one person made a comment about her reaction, I responded that i had the same reaction.....two mothers of children with d.s. Just maybe we are tuned into something. This is hardly ripping the clip apart. This a blog for goodness sake. That's what bloggers do! :-)

Posted by: Eileen at October 17, 2008 8:34 PM


"Ever since I held a baby with Down syndrome until he died, I've had a special place in my heart for these special people."

Jill, ever since I learned about your experience and all you've done to expose this "choice," YOU have had a special place in my heart!!!

Posted by: Eileen at October 17, 2008 8:40 PM


Say, I'm changing the subject here because I just talked to my sister who told me that the media is really going after Joe, the "plumber" to try and denigrate his character. This is a tactic that is straight out of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals". You go after the opposition and try to discredit them and attack their character. And that is what Barack Obama has based his political tactics upon -- Saul Alinsky's strategies for community organinzing.
God have Mercy on us!

Posted by: Eileen #2 at October 17, 2008 8:48 PM


Now, on a more uplifting note -- I know of 3 large families that have a sibling with DS -- the love that is demonstrated is awesome! The children with DS radiate love and their families are crazy about them. God Bless you and your family, Eileen

Posted by: Eileen #2d at October 17, 2008 8:54 PM


Eileen #2:
i wish that the msm would spend the same amount of time picking apart obama and his cohorts as they do joe the plumber!

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 9:02 PM


Sorry Eileen, just a little cranky tonight! we are all here for honest discussion and i guess i should have been a little more sensitive to you and your situation!

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 9:07 PM


No problem, Becky!

I'm just very wary when these kinds of programs appear by the msm. They have an ideology to support, and that is supporting abortion. If they showed these precious people in their most charming moments (of which there are many), then it would make it more difficult to justify aborting them. If they project them in their less flattering moments (which we all have), then it feeds into the negative (mis)perception that the world has of them.

Posted by: Eileen at October 17, 2008 9:18 PM


"The children with DS radiate love and their families are crazy about them. God Bless you and your family, Eileen."

Eileen #2, thank you! It is truly a blessing!

Posted by: Eileen #1 at October 17, 2008 9:20 PM


eileen,
i agree with you whole heartedly. i have a sped degree and i spent a lot of time at a mrdd school with ds preschoolers. i think i fell in love with every single one! they do have their good days and their bad days, the one thing i could count on though was that they could change my entire day with one of those sweet smiles they give you!

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 9:23 PM


As someone with "special needs" myself, I find people like Sarah Palin who carts around her child as a prop. Throughout the ages people with physical and mental challenges have been treated as freaks, and she is doing nothing more than continuing that tradition, and doing to her own child. If she has compassion for the disabled, it must be a very shallow compassion.

Posted by: Yo La Tengo at October 17, 2008 9:39 PM


I agree, YLT. As someone with Aspergers, I second.

Posted by: Erin at October 17, 2008 9:40 PM


Michelle Bachmann, celebrated on a recent post below, announced to Chris Matthews today that she believes there are "un-American members of Congress" who "need to be investigated", apparently in McCarthy-type hearings.

She will likely lose her seat as a result of these statements, in addition to other bizarre statements and behavior. Her interview with Chris Matthews is all over the internet.

Posted by: PPC at October 17, 2008 9:46 PM


She's not parading Trig around like a prop. If she didn't have him with her, then the media would say she's neglecting her special needs child.


Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 17, 2008 9:48 PM


i do not think sarah is using trig as a prop! of course she takes him everywhere, doesn't every good mother? if she were to leave him at home during her appearances you guys would be saying that she neglects him! she is not treating him as a "freak", she is treating him with the love and compassion that he requires at his young age!

Posted by: becky at October 17, 2008 9:50 PM


YLT,
Trig is not a "prop" he is her child. She doesn't use people with ds, they are seeking her out by attending her rallies. When you become a mother to one of these children, it opens up a whole new world to you that you didn't know was there. You become sensitive not only to those with ds, but with other disabilities as well. when you meet other parents of children with ds, there is a bond that says "I understand." I can assure you her compassion is not shallow. Mine is not. She is perfectly aware that 9 out of 10 of these special babies are killed before they are allowed to be born. She gets it.

Posted by: Eileen at October 17, 2008 9:50 PM


"Michelle Bachmann, celebrated on a recent post below, announced to Chris Matthews today that she believes there are "un-American members of Congress" who "need to be investigated", apparently in McCarthy-type hearings."

Go Michelle Bachmann, see if can get them sent to Gitmo while you're at it. Add the MSM to that list as well.

Posted by: Jasper at October 17, 2008 9:58 PM


Jasper, you have to be kidding.

I can't wait for her to lose her damn seat, she doesn't deserve it.

Posted by: Rae at October 17, 2008 10:53 PM


PPC:

Just say it: "I hate Christian women".

Posted by: HisMan at October 17, 2008 11:07 PM


Is it because she's a woman AGAINST abortion? Is it because she's a CHRISTIAN woman? Or do you have something else against Michelle Bauchmann, Rae?

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 17, 2008 11:28 PM


@LizFromNebraska: No, Liz, it is NOT because she's against abortion. I don't care about that. And no, it's not because she's a Christian. I don't care about that either. What I DON'T like is her disgusting opinion about gays and gay marriage, her unquestioning faith in Bush's failed foreign and domestic policies (before you attack me on that- I don't hate Bush, but I don't feel he was a particularly effective president), and I find her to be spiteful in her comments about "investigating" Congresspersons she *feels* to be "unpatriotic". Puh-leaze.

She's a terrible congresswoman and she most definitely doesn't represent my views (though she does represent your's which is probably why you're so pissed off at me for disliking her).

Posted by: Rae at October 18, 2008 12:04 AM


"This isn't a solution for everyone in America"

You said it yourself Lauren, it's not a solution for everyone. I guess not everyone is important after birth. And you're not living on Earth let alone America if you think everyone is capable of getting a blue collar job with a union and decent health care. Maybe you should take a walk in the real world?

"Peggy: '...and call me cynical but I think NBC had ulterior motives. Not all the pictures were flattering.'"

Yeah were are the supermodel ballarina's with Down Syndrome in this clip? What is your problem? They are people, just like you and me. They're just out there to support their cause, not to walk down the cat walk, give them a break. "Oh they held their signs upside down." Oh really? Are we so perfect that we never did something stupid? It's human nature, their human, I'm human, you're human. I have a cousin who has DS and guess what? She is a huge brat. She doesn't like to hug you and love you, she's spoiled and mean. Why? She's a human. Having DS doesn't automatically mean you're some kind of angle. It doesn't mean you're a rock either. It just means you're a human with an extra chromosome, just a human, like the other 7 billion people in the world.

Posted by: Jess at October 18, 2008 12:45 AM


Off topic but wanted to mention this. Bill Clinton was in Vancouver BC today. I dont watch news much but did happen to catch this.

He was here about the Clinton Global Initiative and Clinton Foundation. One of his friends here donated millions and asked him to do a speech here.

But this is what I find ironic. The Clinton Foundation is doing great work, and I'm 100% in favor of helping those in need.

But then why do they so callously ignore the unborn? Wasnt' he the President that vetoed the partial birth abortion ban?

Seems to contradictory to me!

Posted by: Joanne at October 18, 2008 12:45 AM


*where

Posted by: Jess at October 18, 2008 12:46 AM


Eileen @ 9:18pm. Should people really base their decision to abort based on how attractive their kid is?

"Jess, your obnoxious."
Thank you Lauren I am persistent in my beliefs.

Posted by: Jess at October 18, 2008 12:54 AM


Jess, what I mean is that there is a very negative (mis)perception of people with ds. This is evidenced by the fact that 9 out of 10 babies with ds are killed and not allowed to be born.

My point is that by not choosing the most flattering footage, it doesn't do much to alter that negative perception.

Normally, if you want to promote a positive view of a subject, you use the best shots you have. I don't believe this was done.

All in all, I liked the clip. I was simply agreeing with Peggy that something just seemed to be off.

Posted by: Eileen at October 18, 2008 1:05 AM


Something is off with people who have DS; an extra chromosome. And what exactly was so unflattering? The crying kid? If people were inclined to abort their children if they didn't want crying kids there would be a lot less people in this world.

Posted by: Jess at October 18, 2008 1:10 AM


"You go after the opposition and try to discredit them and attack their character."

Those radical republicans are very good at doing that. There was the swiftboating in 04, then the Ayers smears, and saying Obama is a communist anti-christ like character, and all that.

Ah hell let's admit it, it's been the republican strategy for the last 12 years.

Posted by: prettyinpink at October 18, 2008 1:16 AM


I can seriously relate to what you are going through Daniel. I've had 4 heart surgeries, and now am facing a liver transplant for a genetic condition. I'm a recent college grad, but no insurance company would ever take me, and I've maxed out my parents' policies and put my parents in tremendous debt to the point my dad's hair is literally falling out in clumps over the stress. The idea of the insurance company denying a person for "preexisting conditions" in situations as such is absurd. At least Obama is on board with getting rid of that big insurance road block. I don't think anyone understands until it hits you or someone you know and you realize even with insurance- you can go bankrupt just trying to survive.

Posted by: Ash at October 18, 2008 3:14 AM


Excellent piece by Pat Buchannan

The Barack backlash:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78333

Posted by: Jasper at October 18, 2008 5:17 AM


Jess, there is nothing wrong with a crying baby. You don't get what I'm saying. I can't spend any more time on it. Later.

Posted by: Eileen at October 18, 2008 7:13 AM


Jess,
You did not understand what I said. I would hope that one day my children work hard and play hard. Save some, spend some and give some.

You stated they feel a sense of "entitlement" because I tell them they are special all the time. Don't know where you got that.

You misunderstand and I am fine with that.

Posted by: Carla at October 18, 2008 7:27 AM


YLT: Trig is a BABY - this means that he needs to be with his mom. His mom is a very public person right now, so he is with his mom in public. Get it?

Carla: your kids ARE special. As are mine. We are all "special" as in unique, never to be made again persons. God has a plan for each of your kids and for each of mine. You know this, but apparently many others do not think this way.

For those interested a piece on people with DS and the life after:Babies Perfect and Imperfect

Posted by: Anonymous at October 18, 2008 8:02 AM


PPC:

Just say it: "I hate Christian women".

Posted by: HisMan at October 18, 2008 8:20 AM


PPC:

Just say it: "I hate Christian women".

Posted by: HisMan at October 18, 2008 8:20 AM


PIP:

Just say it: "I hate Christian women".

Posted by: HisMan at October 18, 2008 8:24 AM


YLT: Trig is a BABY - this means that he needs to be with his mom. His mom is a very public person right now, so he is with his mom in public. Get it?

Actually no. What his mom needs to be doing is not keeping Trig up until 11pm making campaign apperances such as the one she foisted upon him at the VP debate. Seriously. Thats why there are two parents - so dad can take care of the kids and mom can be all political and stuff - not so the kid can be dragged out at 11pm for a photo-op.

Posted by: Yo La Tengo at October 18, 2008 8:26 AM


That stinks Ash.

My 7 year old nephew was born with a cleft lip. He has to have another surgery (the last one a few years ago didn't work quite right), but insurance won't pay for it, so they have to save the money for it.


Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 18, 2008 8:35 AM


ytl-
ummmmm....do you have kids???

just to let you know, babies sleep when they need to and they are awake when thay want to! personally my 8-month old slept alot yesterday afternoon and was up until 1 am this morning and was up again ready to go at 8 am.

babies are VERY adaptable!

as for trig, his mother has an exciting opputunity right now, why wouldn't she want her kids to experience it too? i know i would want to share it with my children if i were in that situation! in fact my husband and i have a motto that we have always stuck by: if our kids can't go or are not invited then we DO NOT go!

Posted by: becky at October 18, 2008 8:45 AM


Yo,
Yes, we have heard this all from you already and we talked about how infants SLEEP and NAP alot and how Trig is usually ASLEEP when we see him. Please ignore my comment though and keep bringing this subject up again and again and again.....

Posted by: Carla at October 18, 2008 8:48 AM


I just got back from a long shift at work-- decided to check this blog...

I wrote a message way up--and it started alot of conversation.. And in my heart I say these things..

#1-- I think that Sarah Palin doesn't take Trig as a prop, she loves her kids and that is obvious. I am very GLAD that she has them with her, especially since they are so young and he is a baby!

#2 She may never face the challenges we have if she is recieving the federal health plan from her job, how does she even understand our problems? Also, Trig is only 6 months old.. and he doesn't have the severity of disabilities that many more children have.

#3 One post was asking me about my finances, moving to another lower cost area...
I have to say, we live very, very modestly... Since we have had such harship, the last thing we can do now is for me to change my job, since I am invested, and also, move farther away with our old cars, and gas... etc. Also, our children have all their physicians and specialists here.. it would be a tragedy to take my very ill child and place her in a new medical atmosphere.

4. The hospital we work with has placed us on their charity lists... so we had our amount cut into half.. as you can see from my previous message how much we still owe on our childs bill.

5. my wife, (and she knows this) gets NO respite.. families in our case have very few recources in MOST of the country for opportunities for assistance. She is on antidepressents, has limited friendships, has had to cut her time from church to care for our daughter... and I work usually 60-70 hrs a week...

6. I a firmly believe that something has to change.. Feel free to rip on my message.. to say you don't care.. But I am the "REAL DEAL"--- Let me say again.. Mcains plan will fail us...if the government passes the rights to insurance companies.. families with kids like mine will suffer..and the thousands of children with severe special needs will be left without help.. That is not a PRO LIFE STANCE...

Thanks for making this an issue on the blog.. those of you that I firmly stand by with the anti-abortion perspectives.. know that I support that also, but I am not a non-christian because I see beyone these things..

This blog says many hurtful things in alot of ways.. please remember that their are vulnerable, hurting and wounded families out there who are making political choices to save their own children... it doesn't mean they want babies killed prenatally.

blessings-
Daniel

Posted by: daniel at October 18, 2008 9:16 AM


Thank you for your voice Daniel. I have to say, reading this blog for pure interest..and having the ability to see all other issues is huge. After the debate and reading on health plans and talking with my lawyer friends... your issues are real.

I have to say..neither health plan is going to totally work..HOwever, we have seen the effects of an insurance and coorporate driven country.. it is not good for the people... As a Christian and with a pro-life stance, this is confusing because, we have one party so pro-life, anti-abortion and one that is for so many issues that actually are helping people..

your thoughts and words say good things.. I have read many bloggers here say this a is black and white ..but you are right..this election doesn't determine who is a christian and who isn't.... The judgement needs to stop, but the conversations on how to change Washington need to continue..
much love-
Amy K

Posted by: AmyK at October 18, 2008 9:21 AM


YO YLT: plenty 'o babies stay up with their parents when they are visiting or at functions
That's the beauty of a baby - some can sleep almost anywhere.
It's quite obvious that Trig is a calm, loved baby.
Stop venting your jealous psychotic pain towards women who ARE living the feminist ideal promulgated 30 years ago.

BTW anon was me @8:02 am

Posted by: Patricia at October 18, 2008 9:22 AM


YLT, you'd be screaming about how she was "hiding him away" if he wasn't occasionally on the campaign trail. It's a no win situation for those looking to be upset no matter what someone does.

Posted by: lauren at October 18, 2008 9:24 AM


Jess, I love how you respond only to my first line and not the actual substance of my post.

Posted by: lauren at October 18, 2008 9:41 AM


I was finally able to view the video. I disagree strongly with Peggy's comment and I think this was a great piece by the MSM. The DS people were portrayed with dignity and it was wonderful to see that they felt they have an advocate for their situation.

Daniel: my heart goes out to you and your family. In Canada, with socialized medicine,. many things are paid for in situations like yours, but families also must rely on the charity of others - just maybe not to the extent that yours may have to. The husband of one of our librarians collapsed on holidays out of the country, 28 days ago and is now in a neurological unit at a hospital in Canada. His wife must stay in a hotel so we have been paying for that cost because otherwise it would have to come from her pocket.

Ultimately, though, you need to pick a government that supports ALL life - from conception to natural death. I think America does need some kind of safety net for families such as yours. No family should have to go destitute trying to care for a sick or disabled member.
It IS a very prolife position to work for this. Perhaps the problem is that formerly, many medical institutions were run by religious orders who had low staffing costs etc. When these organizations could no longer function, a huge hole was left in the way the sick were cared for. In your country, insurance companies stepped in. In mine, the more socialist element of the country worked to bring about universal health care.
As a Canadian I am only too happy to pay into the pot to help those who need the medical care - even though I don't have much money myself. I need only think of my mom years ago, who needed open heart surgery. If we did not have national health care, my mom would not have gotten her surgery and would never have seen us grow up.

Posted by: Patricia at October 18, 2008 9:46 AM


Daniel,
I care. There are things in all of our lives, in all of our circumstances that we cannot change, and things that we can.
I am sorry for what you and your family are going through. I do not have a child with special needs. I can relate to scrimping and saving and just getting by, my husband working 65 hours a week and being content with what we have.

Praying for you and yours.

Posted by: Carla at October 18, 2008 9:46 AM


Lauren,
Jess is fun like that.

Posted by: Carla at October 18, 2008 9:49 AM


I think it is so important to remember that many socialized medicine theories and countries that practice this were started by religeous institutions.. Sisters of Charity for example...

This is really a big part of my disagreement with Insurance companies.. they don't see folks as real people..they see dollar signs... That is huge..

Government that actually promotes funding for ALL folks.. rich and poor... and making sure that the neediest are being taken care of is really what I think any country needs..and should desire.. Not insurance companies running the entire healthcare system..

Am I for total socialized medicine.. No.. partly because America is so complex and we need a multifaceted approach..

Do I think that Obama has something here in the medical community? Yes... does it need work.. yes...

Do I profess being Pro-Life..yes.. But it is the Daniel Stories that have caught my attention over the past 8 yrs and more... this is the other ignored issue..and with our medicine advancing we must pay attention and do something..
Thank You so much for this blog..

Posted by: Anonymous at October 18, 2008 10:07 AM


Daniewl, fist of all I want to say that I hope you don't thinkI think that you're living some extravagant lifestyle. I know that in alot of places 60,000 doesn't go very far.

I understand you are doing what you think will be best for your child, I just disagree that Obama's policies will really be best.

Chronic illnesses are often some of the worst casualties of socialized medicine.

Here's a post that a woman w/ a chronic illness blog (she's not a religious conservative either, she has a post about being pro-choice up) talking about how socialized medicine was bad for her. Here's and exerpt:

"As I see it, the National Health Service (NHS) does a really good job for the regular stuff. The common cold, to the broken leg. Anything that can be diagnosed and treated quickly. However, if you are like me, and have something rare or expensive and long term to treat, you are out of luck. They don’t have the time, energy, staff or resources to help you.

Ill give you an example of this. When I moved back to the UK after living for a short time in the US, I had already been diagnosed with my original disease. I went to the doctor there, big file in hand to discuss him taking on my treatment. First of all, he started yelling at me, telling me that American doctors didn’t know what they were talking about, and my disease was a figment of our collective imagination and flat didnt exist because he had never heard of it. Furthermore, he would put me on the list to see a Neurologist and that would take approximately two years to get that appointment. I would not be supplied with any of my drugs, no matter what my American doctor’s said, or the letters they had written. Had this been my only source of medical treatment, I want you to know that I would probably be dead. I ended up having to continue to live in the U.S. part time so that I could receive treatment. There was simply no choice. Commute for medical care, or die. "


The whole post has a lot of information, here's the link (just scroll up to the orininal post)

http://ambermoon.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/health-care-and-the-lie-of-socialized-medicine/#comments

Posted by: lauren at October 18, 2008 10:10 AM


Thanks Lauren-- Great insight..But Obama isn't pushing for total socialized medicine..which is the mistake so many make..

I am just not in support of all the insurance companies racing to compete.. they do that now..and wow, things are so bad...

You have me thinking.. thanks for the information, unlike some folks..I take it and investigate...
-Dan

Posted by: daniel at October 18, 2008 10:37 AM


I know he's not Daniel, I'm just worried that his system will turn into the kind of thing where the "normal" people have the government run healthcare while the elite have private insurance. That's the situation in the UK and it leads to the "normal" people having horrible wait times while the "elite" just slide right in. I really don't want to see that.

Like I said, I really don't know the solution, but I jsut don't think that Obama's solution is "it". I don't think McCain's is either, but I think it will do less damage.

Posted by: lauren at October 18, 2008 10:56 AM


Daniel, what state do you live in? I can't believe they don't have any sort of respite care! There's really no excuse for that. I agree that we all need to be doing more to help people with disabilities, and respite care is essentail for caregivers. Geesh.

Posted by: lauren at October 18, 2008 11:00 AM


"Granted, all of us can have our unflattering moments, but when I looked at that clip, it looked to me like the little ones were squirmy and crying,"

What you say is that you're upset they show children who are squirmy and crying. NEWS FLASH every kid gets squirmy and cries unless there's something really wrong with them. Yeah it's not easy raising kids, unless all you do is pop them out then sit them in front of a tv for 18 years. Why lie and tell people it's a piece of cake? So people will have kids they aren't ready for? And I'm not talking about abortion, I'm talking about all the people who have kids because it's "fun." And did you really expect the person interviewing them to say, "I'm sorry your kid is gross we can't interview you." Yes having a kid with DS is a lot of work, so isn't having any kid. But like I said, it's only a lot of work if you're actually parenting.

Patricia, no baby is imperfect. Babies are babies and they're perfect doing what they should be doing, being babies.

Hisman, there's something I always wanted to say to you but being a Christian woman I can't say it.

Carla, thank you. I am fun.

Posted by: Jess at October 18, 2008 12:01 PM


"no baby is imperfect. Babies are babies and they're perfect doing what they should be doing, being babies."

Jess, you say very pro-lifeish things every now and then. Come on over to our side. All the cool kids are over here :)

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 18, 2008 12:11 PM


I would Bobby but sheesh, I'm just such a nerd : )

Posted by: Jess at October 18, 2008 12:18 PM


The liberals are making a bigdeal of the Chicago Tribune endorsing a Democrat for president for the first time in their 161 year histiry.Maybe they don't realize that has much to do with the fact that the Tribune was SOLD to new managementand little to do with their messiah.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 18, 2008 1:18 PM


This blog says many hurtful things in alot of ways.. please remember that their are vulnerable, hurting and wounded families out there who are making political choices to save their own children... it doesn't mean they want babies killed prenatally.

blessings-
Daniel

Posted by: daniel at October 18, 2008 9:16 AM

Daniel,look at it this way. Judging by Obama's position on abortion rights; isn't it much more likely that an Obama health plan would be free prenatal testing and free abortions for the "disabled"? I mean, like McCain says, if you want to know what a person will do when they get into office, don't look at what they promise to you, look at what they have done. Why do you think a person that want to overturn the PBA ban or votes against the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act has a compassionate heart? Isn't it more likeley taht any Obama driven national health care plan would care for downs syndome or other special needs children with pre-natal screening and aborting their way out of the cost?
After all, Obama is all about Planned Parenthood and that is a lot closer to a Planned Parenthood
(Margaret Sanger) mission statement then supporting helping you to choose to keep your special needs children.

Don't get me wrong. I feel for you tremendously. I have already been through a major uncovered illness with my wife while we were without health care insurance. Just think about what I said above.

The peace of Jesus Christ be with you and your family. ts

Posted by: truthseeker at October 18, 2008 1:40 PM


In America you have freedom to get a better job or income or even start your own company and pay all your medical care without insurance."

You need money to go to college and you need a degree if you hope to get any type of decent paying job unless you decide you want to become a "superstar" which is like one in a million. Do you know how hard it is to pay you're way through college? Even if you go to a community college. A degree from a community college will not get you a job that pays enough to cover medical expenses if you have just one really sick family member. My sister has a heart condition I know the doctors visits add up. Or paying for a family member to have cancer treatments? You don't live in America, you live in your own little world if you think it's that easy to pay for medical care with insurance, let alone without.

--------------------------------------------
This is false. I put myself through college while supporting a family of 8 in order to become an RN. Each step of the way my family's health needs were cared for, first by AHCCCS (Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System) and then by the insurance I received through work. I worked 5 or 6 12 hour shifts each week in low paying hospital jobs that gave me experience to draw on when I became a registered nurse. I am continuing to work and continuing my education so that I can become a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner specializing in Developmental Pediatrics... you see, my 12 year old son has Asperger's Syndrome.

Is it easy? No, it is most assuredly not easy. It has been profoundly difficult. But I feel all the more pride for having accomplished it while tending to a terminally ill husband and six precious gifts from God.

We do no one a service by denying that it is quite possible to get to a better place in life through one's own effort. There are always opportunities in life. They just often come disguised as hard work.

Are we out of the woods yet? Assuredly not. But every day we come closer. I look back on the past five years in amazement (I'm glad I had no idea just how hard it would be)... I'm sure in five more years the transformation will be just as stunning... and I will continue to advocate for the developmental needs of all children... it is my calling in life.

Posted by: Elisabeth at October 18, 2008 2:48 PM


Bobby: I've never been with the cool kids before!:-D

Posted by: Patricia at October 18, 2008 2:49 PM


@ Jess: I'm not sure what you were getting at. Did you read the article I linked to?

Posted by: Patricia at October 18, 2008 2:52 PM


I know he's not Daniel, I'm just worried that his system will turn into the kind of thing where the "normal" people have the government run healthcare while the elite have private insurance. That's the situation in the UK and it leads to the "normal" people having horrible wait times while the "elite" just slide right in. I really don't want to see that.

Like I said, I really don't know the solution, but I jsut don't think that Obama's solution is "it". I don't think McCain's is either, but I think it will do less damage.

Posted by: lauren at October 18, 2008 10:56 AM

Thanks for the insight Lauren. I could also see where "less desirable" children would be excluded sounds so horrible that you might dismiss it but it is part and parcel to the pro-abort mentality to look at things primarily from the economic cost it places on society, so their health care plan would likely do the same. It sounds really ugly.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 18, 2008 3:06 PM


"I've never been with the cool kids before!:-D"

You are now, Patricia. You are now...

Posted by: Bobby Bambino at October 18, 2008 4:09 PM


Daniel and AmyK:

Your responses reveal that you walk according to the flesh and not the Spirit.

Your decisions totally ignore that there is a God in Heaven who expects us to do the right things ALWAYS no matter the cost. Doing this indicates our true faith and trust in Him. Doing the wrong thing indicates that we truly don't know Him.

The foundational issue in this election is abortion no matter what the MSM or Liberals are lying about. God will simply not allow the carnage to continue and will destroy this country if we don't stop abortion. Never mind not being able to afford this or afford that. You or your families won't even have a life to worry about because if Obama is elected this will indicate that God has judged our country. Don't beleive me? Just look at history and understand how vulnerable we are right now as a country. Mark my words on this.

Posted by: HisMan at October 18, 2008 6:43 PM


""You go after the opposition and try to discredit them and attack their character."

Those radical republicans are very good at doing that. There was the swiftboating in 04, then the Ayers smears, and saying Obama is a communist anti-christ like character, and all that."

Ah hell let's admit it, it's been the republican strategy for the last 12 years.
Posted by: prettyinpink at October 18, 2008 1:16 AM


Hardly, PIP. You just refuse to look at the facts. There was nothing untruthful that was said by the men that served with John Kerry or anything revealed about Obama's association with Ayers. Democrats and liberals are pro's at slinging the mud.

Posted by: Eileen #2 at October 18, 2008 8:51 PM


If Obama gets into office he will put Planned Parenthood front and center of governmental reproductive health services. They will be funded and expand under Obama governmental funding and control. Down the pike your children will only be allowed a maximum of two children because more than that would be a burden on societies resources, so it will be forced abortion or heavy fines, like they have in China. Goverment sponsored health care for the minions to become dependent on. Only then will some "pro-life" people look back and realize how wrong they were to vote such an Obamanation. I don't think most people realize how far left Obama is. No centrist would ever vote for him if they knew.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 19, 2008 1:33 AM


Truthseeker,

I tried the "we'll become like China" and someone said I was assuming too much.

But you're right. And I don't want to be having to be forced to get sterilized or have an abortion. That's what Margaret Sanger wanted done to those she saw as "unfit" which were Catholics and the poor and the minorities like Blacks, she wanted them sterilized so they wouldn't pollute society.

In our modern age its not only blacks, its Hispanics as well that are targeted.

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at October 19, 2008 10:02 AM


Liz from Nebraska,

It is understandable that people would not believe we could be headed toward government controled eugenics, because it is so foreign to what we have stood for as a society in the past.

I have story for you. Yesterday a "pro-choice" person was walking their dog past my yard and said they want me to take down my yard sign that says "Families Against Planned Parenthood". I said I have a right to put whatever signs I want in my yard there is a really way to end abortion. "Quit having intercourse if you don't want children." She said, well maybe you should try it; you have that big van and so many kids. Those kids use up a lot of oxygen. Proof positive that the she was not really pro-choice.

Posted by: truthseeker at October 19, 2008 11:17 AM


Those kids use up a lot of oxygen.

Geez.. TS, if you see her again, you can tell her from me that that was stupid.

Posted by: Doug at October 25, 2008 11:28 AM