The new poll question is up:
Atlas Sports Genetics now offers genetics testing of children to determine whether or not they have an aptitude for sports. Do you think this is a good idea?
This could have served as a weekend question. Examiner.com, December 6, explained the dilemma:
For $149, Atlas Sports Genetics [in Boulder, CO] will send a genetic sample taken from inside a child's cheek to a laboratory in Australia. There, technicians will analyze the ACTN3 gene, which has been linked to athletic performance....
In about two weeks, Atlas presents customers with a certificate indicating whether their child is a genetic fit for strength and power sports, endurance athletics or a combination of the two....
Children can work toward success in any sport they choose, [Atlas CEO Kevin Reilly] said. "But if they're better suited for something ... that's good information to have."...
Experts, parents and coaches have both praised and criticized the test. Some support it as a tool to help children excel in sports. Others reject it as irrelevant and unethical, or they say one gene doesn't provide enough information about a person to determine athletic performance.
What do you think?
Ah, lots of Hillary fans and/or PUMAs responded to last week's poll, not just from the U.S. but from around the globe. And interesting, 21% chose "Other." I wonder who Other was?...
Here were your votes. Click on the maps below to get a better view of your own brightly colored flag....
As always, make comments to either this or last week's poll here, not on the Vizu website.
Yeah, this is just screaming Gattaca to me.
My brother in law actually told us once he thinks that the Gattaca society would be ideal. Of course, he's the same brother in law who said my husband and I should have our baby taken away because we didn't "deserve" him and the one who would surely be eliminated from Gattacan society because he has Graves.
I'll just assume he didn't totally think that one through...Posted by: lauren at December 13, 2008 8:33 AM
I have 3 children. I think my wife and I shared equally in genetics. My daughter tried out for the olympics in heptathlon for 7 events. she is as we speak a top athlete in one of the very top schools in America for sports. Her brothers are not athletic and have the same build. Why does she have a higher vertical jump than 95% of the NBA players? She has better shooting percentage also. Sports success is mostly dete4rmination and practice. There are exceptions like huge football linemen and tall basketball players.
By the way, i suspect this genetic testing has not been tested. By that I mean if we brought in some unmarked DNA from high achievers and some trophy winning couch potatoes, could they with any level of confidence tell us which were the winners.Posted by: xppc at December 13, 2008 9:03 AM
I wish they had tested me. I would have been absolved of P.E. all through school and therefore spared much torment and bullying.Posted by: tom jayson at December 13, 2008 9:46 AM
I wonder if the genetic testing shows the ratio of fast-twitch muscle tissue to slow-twitch, for example.
Also think that it really depends on the kid. If they are really motivated and desirous of going a long way in a given sport, specializing in it, that is one thing, but for parents to try and "cherry-pick" a sport for the kid, well, not good IMO.Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 9:54 AM
Why does she have a higher vertical jump than 95% of the NBA players?
XPPC, if so, awesome! That's amazing. How many inches?Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 10:41 AM
I saw a Sci Fi movie (can't remember name) where this became the norm in the future and those who were tested as problem children or had a defect, like a bad heart, etc., were used a slaves in menial jobs, whereas those who were tested A1 were allowed to get the best jobs and do sports. It was scary but foreboding! It always amazes me how sick some of our progressive scientists are. Reminds me of those who worked for Hitler to satisfy their own evil desires.Posted by: Deacon John at December 13, 2008 11:17 AM
The movie, as noted by an earlier poster, is Gattaca.
What makes you think it is progressive scientists who would support such things? Actually the writer/director of Gattaca is politically liberal, and was condemning what he saw as conservative/facsist policies.Posted by: tom jayson at December 13, 2008 11:40 AM
Maybe if you weren't so lazy tom you would have succeeded in phys ed and not been teased and tormented. The problem with this test is it will give people a free pass to be lazy. When I first started running I was really slow. I didn't sit down and cry about it I kept running until I got faster. And gee tom really? Phys ed in schools is probably the easiest thing in the world. I applaud
you being able to type without passing out with fatigue.
Tom, my liberal-to-the-extreme brother in law is the one who applauded Gattaca.
It's unlikely conservatives would ever support such a society since we're usually opposed to genetic testing and assisted reproductive techniques.Posted by: lauren at December 13, 2008 12:31 PM
I HATED P.E. I hated having to play kick ball and run backwards and stuff. Jess, you shouldn't judge people. Not everyone is athletically inclined.Posted by: LizFromNebraska at December 13, 2008 12:47 PM
Yes everyone is athletically inclined Liz. We are humans. We are meant to move. Do you see those long things with feet attached under you? Those are called legs, they help us move. Legs are basically God's way of telling us, "I don't want you to sit on your butt all day."
My cousin has Down Syndrome and she still competed in Special Olympics, and you know what? She did good. And not just good as in "special" but actually did well. And there were a lot of other "special" people there who were able to run and move around. They get it. Why can't you?Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 1:06 PM
I applaud you being able to type without passing out with fatigue.
Ha! I love you, Jess. (And Tom, you gotta know how to take her... ; )
I didn't like kickball either, because there were like 32 kids in the class, so 16 on a side, and it took forever to get up to "bat."
The whole "genetics" thing here makes me think of the stereotypical parent who's going to push their young kids too hard to be "great" at something....
On an off-topic question, this came up on another board:
Who is the guy in the picture on the mug?Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 1:11 PM
Liz and tom, good thing your meat already come cut up into fun little shapes because God forbid you actually had to hunt for something. You would starve in before it was Christmas.Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 1:12 PM
Meh- I don't trust commercial genetic testing. It's usually based on shoddy science (very vague statistics and loose correlations).
In short- this is crap.Posted by: Hoarfrost at December 13, 2008 1:14 PM
(And Tom, you gotta know how to take her... ; )
Take me with a shot of ouzo.
Lol Doug, I'm the only one who does sports in my group of friends. They are all into music and theater and concerts, etc... Whenever they say something disparaging about jocks they always add, "Well except for Jess."
One thing I never got the hang of was football. Yeah, my Dad wanted a son so he tried to get me to play : )Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 1:18 PM
Take me with a shot of ouzo.
That's my girl. : )
One thing I never got the hang of was football. Yeah, my Dad wanted a son so he tried to get me to play : )
It's easy, you have enough ouzo until you loose your inhibitions, then allow your body's knowledge and capacity to learn to come to the forefront, without your conscious mind getting in the way.Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 1:22 PM
BTW Doug, you *have* to watch episode 808.Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 1:33 PM
Jess, cool - I haven't seen that one. If more people would watch South Park the world would be so much better.
But this doesn't mean you're not getting out there on the football field!Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 1:36 PM
No Doug- you have to watch the "Make Love Not Warcraft" and "Go-God-Go" episodes of South Park. They are ingenious.Posted by: Rae at December 13, 2008 1:44 PM
Rae, I've seen the "Warcraft" one - it rocks.Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 1:48 PM
Jess, don't make me get the cattle prod.Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 1:50 PM
Doug- did you see the episode that aired right after the election?
If not- run...do not walk...to South Park Studios.com and watch it ASAP.Posted by: Rae at December 13, 2008 1:50 PM
Rae, hadn't e'en heard o' it. Will do : )Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 1:51 PM
Ho, ho, ho...
Merry Christmas, Jess:Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 1:59 PM
You know what's coming:
But what you didn't know is that yllas has just been hired as the Assistant Coach muhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 2:01 PM
Better to use the cattle prod on people Doug then cattle *serious face*. Lol, I actually spent the day in bed because my calves hurt so much from our track meet Thursday. My friend is driving me to the store later though, to get cookies, then we're watching a movie.
I'll probably be tossing around the ol' non-pigskin with my Dad over Christmas though.Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 2:04 PM
Doug, what would you do if a random acquaintance gave you this for Christmas?
@Jess: Oh the coinky-dinkiness! I just saw that video about a half hour ago!Posted by: Rae at December 13, 2008 2:08 PM
Great minds think alike Rae.Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 2:12 PM
I have to test something.
:roll: :wink:Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 2:34 PM
Darn it didn't work.Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 2:35 PM
I actually spent the day in bed because my calves hurt so much from our track meet Thursday.
Well then, I applaud you being able to type without passing out with fatigue.
:: chuckle ::
Doug, what would you do if a random acquaintance gave you this for Christmas?
Re-think my position on Korean culture.
Posted by: Doug
at December 13, 2008 2:37 PM
"Well then, I applaud you being able to type without passing out with fatigue."
I totally deserve applause thank you.Posted by: Jess at December 13, 2008 2:41 PM
:: laughing ::
Jess, you're a wild woman.Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 4:50 PM
Jess, I'm glad I was told how to take you, because your first post was... just like what traumatized me in P.E. I'm a skiier, I routinely bike centuries, I love playing basketball with friends and I can hike all day with a forty pound pack. I just hated the unleash-the-bullies culture of P.E. and, like you, I could never get the hang of football. Plus the meathead athletes hated that I got A's. It took me until high school to stop being ashamed of being a good student.Posted by: tom jayson at December 13, 2008 5:22 PM
the meathead athletes
Yeah, you're going to have some of those....
And right on with the hiking with the 40 lb. pack. It's been 14 years, but my sister and I hiked down and back up the Grand Canyon, not on the "touristy" trails but on a really primitive one, and it totally kicked my butt.Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 5:26 PM
Grand Canyon, up and down? Never done it. That separates the men from the boys. I hear down isn't much easier than up, and harder on the knees.Posted by: tom jayson at December 13, 2008 6:57 PM
Jess, did you mean to address me when you talked about "meat cut up in fun shapes"?
I think this genetic test is stupid. Maybe they should test some of the obnoxious greedy pro athletes to see if they deserve their $$$$$$ every year.Posted by: LizFromNebraska at December 13, 2008 7:59 PM
Tom, indeed, going down is tough - the "negative" part of exercise. Sore and tired wasn't the word....
Going back up I gave it my all, and I wasn't going to let my baby sister, 7.5 years younger, beat me, but she toasted me by 45 minutes, and I could barely walk for six days.Posted by: Doug at December 13, 2008 9:28 PM
I was athletically inclined as a child and teen and rather fell off the wagon later ... family owned a ski area and there was no t.v. to veg out in front of in the 60's - but after I got away from that - I talked to people who spoke of being "in shape" - I suppose I was "in shape" only b'c of pure boredom at the ski lodge - I think I would not test well at all. I also didn't want to race much b'c of injuries and the hard work involved ... but I was a talented ski instructor ... So I don't see the point of the test ... there are ALOT of factors that go into physical endurance etc.Posted by: bevy at December 14, 2008 12:32 AM
It would cause more harm than good. Parents who would do crap like this would discourage a kid from playing tennis even though the kid may enjoy tennis more than baseball just because some genetic test told them their kid was "basebally" inclined.Posted by: truthseeker at December 14, 2008 2:13 AM
I hear thats pretty tuff hiking up and down the grand canyon. That's good that you did it, I don't think I could. I had a friend who was in really good shape and he decided to run the Boston Marathon, he nees/legs hurt him badly for a month afterwards.Posted by: Jasper at December 14, 2008 7:20 AM
The achievements in sports in our culture in way over emphesized. I did very well in sports growing up, and had chance to play college baseball. Some of the atheletes were the most spoiled, self serving brats I ever met.Posted by: Jasper at December 14, 2008 7:36 AM
"Some of the atheletes were the most spoiled, self serving brats I ever met."
@Jasper: You just described the entire MN Gopher football team. A good portion of those jerks have been accused of sexual assault at some point or another yet- they're mysteriously still allowed to play...Posted by: Rae at December 14, 2008 12:30 PM
Kids (and adults) should play sports they find fun. That's the point, right?Posted by: Wichita Linewoman at December 14, 2008 3:21 PM
"I think this genetic test is stupid. Maybe they should test some of the obnoxious greedy pro athletes to see if they deserve their $$$$$$ every year."
If we want to blame anyone for pro-athletes earning so much money, we need to blame ourselves. After all, we're the ones that tune into games and buy both tickets and merchandise.Posted by: Enigma at December 14, 2008 4:04 PM
Jasper yeah, the Grand Canyon - the vertical distance is enough that it's a serious deal.
My sister was in shape for it, I wasn't.Posted by: Doug at December 14, 2008 9:33 PM
I think genetic testing for sports could save a lot of heartbreak. I've been in gymnastics for about sixteen years... and I've seen many girls try just as hard, or even harder than me and never make it anywhere because they just weren't meant to be gymnasts. At a certain age in gymnastics, if you don't have it.. there's no going anywhere. It gets so much harder the older you get. It's really heartbreaking to see the people who just don't do it.. especially when they REALIZE they just can't.
At the same time, there's a difference between being physically fit and good at sports. It shouldn't give anyone an excuse to be lazy.Posted by: Josephine at December 14, 2008 9:46 PM
I wonder how Wilma Rudolph would have scored on that test?? The first American woman to win 3 gold medals in track and field in the Olympics. All while having a sprained ankle.
At 5 she was diagnosed with polio and walked with braces.
I wonder how Wilma Rudolph would have scored on that test??
Good point, Carla. Or even Gianna Jensen, who, despite the cerebral palsy she has as a result of the botched abortion she survived, she has completed many marathons.
I don't think there is a test that one can do for "spirit".
It's really heartbreaking to see the people who just don't do it.. especially when they REALIZE they just can't.
The best lesson one can learn is that there is no such thing as "can't".
Josephine, we could all learn a lesson from this guy:
Posted by: Bethany at December 15, 2008 8:36 AM
"the day you believe you've reached your highest potential, you have not".
I heart Nick V.!!!Posted by: Carla at December 15, 2008 8:38 AM
Me too!! Good morning, Carla! :)Posted by: Bethany at December 15, 2008 8:39 AM
Good Morning Bethany!! I sure hope you are warmer than -7 this morning!! (Windchill of -23) :) Ah....winter.Posted by: Carla at December 15, 2008 8:50 AM
Sorry. It's -28 windchill.Posted by: Carla at December 15, 2008 8:53 AM
Wow, Carla...it's actually in the 60's here this morning!
:PPosted by: Carla at December 15, 2008 10:11 AM
Holy Crow - the windchill was -44 here (Appleton, WI). NASTY.
We were not happy campers getting set up this morning. Cold is one thing but the wind was brutal. Air temp supposed to be -9 tonight.Posted by: Doug at December 15, 2008 11:38 AM
How far is Appleton from Hudson?Posted by: Carla at December 15, 2008 11:43 AM
Carla, Mapquest says 259 miles. Hudson is clear over toward Minneapolis, right?
Air temp is 2 here now, going up to 3. Wheeee....Posted by: Doug at December 15, 2008 12:29 PM
I guess we can't do lunch today. :) Yes, I am right across the St. Croix river from MN.
Oooh. 3!!!Posted by: Carla at December 15, 2008 12:42 PM
We are at -4 right now. Might not make that high of ZEEEEERRRROOOO!!Posted by: Carla at December 15, 2008 2:37 PM
Today it's the coldest yet, but almost no wind, so no worries.Posted by: Doug at December 16, 2008 8:29 AM
Stay warm, Doug. I will do the same. :)Posted by: Carla at December 16, 2008 10:08 AM
No Wind=Still Pretty Freakin Cold!Posted by: Carla at December 16, 2008 10:09 AM
"Still Pretty Freakin Cold!"
Y..y..y..y..y..yeah, what C..C..C..C..Carla said!