New Stanek poll: Do you think the new healthcare law will ever be repealed?

Poll 2.pngI have a new poll question up (bottom right side of home page):

In the wake of passage of healthcare into law, the Republican rallying cry is, "Repeal and replace" - repeal the bill and replace it with something better. To do this will involve gaining the majority in the House, a 2/3 majority in the Senate, and ousting Obama as president, followed by the will to halt wheels already in motion. Realistically, do you think a repeal will ever happen?

The previous poll was a fun one...

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I'll let Eric know what we decided.

It appears Americans favored "Elijah" but our International friends split their vote. Click on the map to enlarge to find your own brightly colored flag...

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As always, make comments to either the previous or current poll here, not on the Vizu website.


Comments:

I don't think that it will be overturned.

And for the record Legion, it's very hard to have a civil dialogue with you if you have such contempt, but I'll try: I support universal healthcare (but I'm pretty sure that the public option died a long, long time ago), am opposed to war- I'm a pacifist, I'm a vegetarian, a liberal, an environmentalist, female, agnostic, and the others who do not support universal healthcare do so on the grounds that increasing competition will better care for everybody, not because they are "teh eval womenz hataz."

Happy?

Posted by: Vannah at March 27, 2010 1:01 PM


Hi Legion.

" how many of you are "pro-life" and also for the wars in Iraq and adfghanistan? "

Suppose all pro-lifers support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Concerning the moral reality of abortion, what follows?

Posted by: Bobby Bambino Author Profile Page at March 27, 2010 1:16 PM


" Realistically, do you think a repeal will ever happen?"

Do you mean in our lifetime? I haven't a clue. I do know that I'm not going to bet my house on it.

Posted by: Janet at March 27, 2010 1:45 PM


No ....

repeal is a sign of life.
This is another sign of death ::: why anyone equates money/insurance with HEALTH reform is loony. Only in America are people foolish enough to believe that their health must be the best because they pay the most for it. Beyond stupid!

Anyone - who purports this as anything to do with altering rather than improving health is mistaken. To be without orthodox medicine MAY have been the best thing for he unfortunate.

Posted by: John McDonell at March 27, 2010 3:24 PM


Hey Hal:

You made a comment on an earlier post about the positive effect of the Heath Care passage on the economy evidenced by the week's stock market performance.

Well, here's the truth. The bill is going to devastate companies. If anything causes this bill to be repealed it will be the marketplace.

From the Wall Street Journal:

"It's been a banner week for Democrats: ObamaCare passed Congress in its final form on Thursday night, and the returns are already rolling in. Yesterday AT&T announced that it will be forced to make a $1 billion writedown due solely to the health bill, in what has become a wave of such corporate losses.

This wholesale destruction of wealth and capital came with more than ample warning. Turning over every couch cushion to make their new entitlement look affordable under Beltway accounting rules, Democrats decided to raise taxes on companies that do the public service of offering prescription drug benefits to their retirees instead of dumping them into Medicare. We and others warned this would lead to AT&T-like results, but like so many other ObamaCare objections Democrats waved them off as self-serving or "political."

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.Perhaps that explains why the Administration is now so touchy. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke took to the White House blog to write that while ObamaCare is great for business, "In the last few days, though, we have seen a couple of companies imply that reform will raise costs for them." In a Thursday interview on CNBC, Mr. Locke said "for them to come out, I think is premature and irresponsible."

Meanwhile, Henry Waxman and House Democrats announced yesterday that they will haul these companies in for an April 21 hearing because their judgment "appears to conflict with independent analyses, which show that the new law will expand coverage and bring down costs."

In other words, shoot the messenger. Black-letter financial accounting rules require that corporations immediately restate their earnings to reflect the present value of their long-term health liabilities, including a higher tax burden. Should these companies have played chicken with the Securities and Exchange Commission to avoid this politically inconvenient reality? Democrats don't like what their bill is doing in the real world, so they now want to intimidate CEOs into keeping quiet.

On top of AT&T's $1 billion, the writedown wave so far includes Deere & Co., $150 million; Caterpillar, $100 million; AK Steel, $31 million; 3M, $90 million; and Valero Energy, up to $20 million. Verizon has also warned its employees about its new higher health-care costs, and there will be many more in the coming days and weeks.

As Joe Biden might put it, this is a big, er, deal for shareholders and the economy. The consulting firm Towers Watson estimates that the total hit this year will reach nearly $14 billion, unless corporations cut retiree drug benefits when their labor contracts let them.

Meanwhile, John DiStaso of the New Hampshire Union Leader reported this week that ObamaCare could cost the Granite State's major ski resorts as much as $1 million in fines, because they hire large numbers of seasonal workers without offering health benefits. "The choices are pretty clear, either increase prices or cut costs, which could mean hiring fewer workers next winter," he wrote.

The Democratic political calculation with ObamaCare is the proverbial boiling frog: Gradually introduce a health-care entitlement by hiding the true costs, hook the middle class on new subsidies until they become unrepealable, but try to delay the adverse consequences and major new tax hikes so voters don't make the connection between their policy and the economic wreckage. But their bill was such a shoddy, jerry-rigged piece of work that the damage is coming sooner than even some critics expected."

Posted by: Phil Schembri is HisMan at March 27, 2010 3:36 PM


It should be repealed. It will devastate small locally owned mom & pop type family owned companies that won't be able to afford to provide health insurance or pay for all health bills. Why didn't they work on the economy first and then health care? We have American companies going OVERSEAS because there's cheaper labor. When you call customer service for a company, e.g (for exmaple) Dell.....you'd be lucky to get someone that speaks ENGLISH!

This bill will bankrupt the USA even more. Its NOT sustainable!

Posted by: LizFromNebraska at March 27, 2010 4:38 PM


What I can't stand is the smugness of the people who don't even know what's in the bill but think it's a wonderful thing. We have a guy at work who is all smug and smirky, and pointing out that "I't s a done deal" and now his wife can't be denied coverage because of her pre-existing condition. I pointed out that she can get INSURANCE, but can she get TREATMENT for her progressive and degenerative condition under a plan with a "focus on prevention" and "cut costs"? There was a flicker of unease in his eyes but he went right back to smugly smirking. Part of me wants to be there to rub salt in the wound when he finds out that Obamacare doesn't cover what his wife needs. "Hey, you were smirking with glee about this. Smirk to your wife and see how she likes it."

Posted by: Christina at March 27, 2010 5:38 PM


I hope and pray it can be repealed.

Posted by: Eileen at March 27, 2010 5:54 PM


Legion:

GTF back to /b/ plz. kkthx.

Posted by: xalisae at March 27, 2010 5:59 PM


Also Legion:

Explain Ron Paul.

Isn't it Caturday? Shouldn't you be off posting lolcats somewhere?

Posted by: xalisae at March 27, 2010 6:49 PM


Posted by: Christina at March 27, 2010 5:38 PM

That guy you spoke of better read the bill. The insurance companies can deny coverage under the bill BUT they have to pay a fine. The fine is a pretty nominal amount which is more of an incentive to the insurance companies than to pay thousands of dollars for coverage of a pre-existing condition.

I am not opposed to healthcare reform at all but this bill is garbage and does NOTHING to address and correct what is really wrong. Tell this guy about the fine and I bet you'll see the smirk come off his face. And I didn't get this from some conservative blog, Michael Moore has posted this several times and I have seen it confirmed in other articles.

Posted by: Kristen at March 27, 2010 7:11 PM


"Legion:

"GTF back to /b/ plz. kkthx."
Posted by: xalisae at March 27, 2010 5:59 PM

I IRL LOL'd. :)

Posted by: Keli Hu at March 27, 2010 7:13 PM


Legion, xalisae: No swearing or proximities, please.

Posted by: Jill Stanek at March 27, 2010 7:38 PM


I'm sorry, Jill. You should take off Legion's link in their name though, because the picture that might be a link to is worse than anything I can ever think to say.

Posted by: xalisae at March 27, 2010 7:56 PM


Christina,
Exactly. If this bill were the cat's meow, we'd ALL be dancing in the streets.

Posted by: Janet at March 27, 2010 8:03 PM


Kristin, can you get a link for us?

Posted by: Christina at March 27, 2010 8:07 PM


I hope I'm wrong but I think the majority of Americans will focus on one thing in the bill that will benefit them and ignore the rest. Then they won't have the passion to have it repealed.

Posted by: Monte at March 28, 2010 8:33 AM


Posted by: Christina at March 27, 2010 8:07 PM


http://rawstory.com/2010/03/michael-moore-rep-kucinich-one-vote-435-standing-300-million-sad-that/

Posted by: Kristen at March 28, 2010 9:48 AM


Christina,

I just linked the Michael Moore story. I didn't want to add more links b/c sometimes they get held up. You can probably Google a couple key words and see the other articles.

Posted by: Kristen at March 28, 2010 9:50 AM


Hi Kristen,

This bill does not address the real issue of reform for one simple reason, it was never intended to. Its a gov't power grab and nothing more.

Dennis Kucinich is what Michael Savage described as a cheap whore, ready to lift his skirts for ride on Air Force 1.
Michael Moore has an issue with profits. That disgusting hypocritical slob, who has obviously not missed too many meals because of the evils of capitalism, should turn his Manhattan penthouse into a homeless shelter and give his millions away to charity. Also, he would do much to promote his "concern" over health care by losing a couple of hundred pounds. Best example is the one you set yourself Michael.

Posted by: Mary at March 28, 2010 10:22 AM



Will this be repealed? Well, nothing ventured nothing gained.

Posted by: Mary at March 28, 2010 10:39 AM


Hi Mary. I hadn't heard Savage's take on Kucinich, but boy is that funny! Truth is Kucinich is the former mayor mayor of Cleveland {that's where I live......and he's never been able to cut it!!! People here flaunt his bumper stickers like he's some sort of hero. Truth is, he's never done a darn thing for us. He also believes in UFo;s. Gosh I wish one would come and pick him up!!!!... And Mary, we aren't far behind Detroit! Cleveland ohio is going down the tubes!!o

Posted by: heather at March 28, 2010 1:24 PM


In church today we prayed for government leaders to be servants of the people. That special intention used to be for the dicatators aboroad but today it help a special signifigance to our own dictator. As a Catholic I stil have my church between me and Obamacare. I will never have to pay into it because my faith clearly dictates that I cannot. The MSM will keep attacing the Catholic Church and with nly greater enmity because we stand for the rights of all human life from conception to birth. And I am certain that this will be the reason our Church is able to withstand the attacks of the Devil. The Catholic Church is purging itself of the CINO's and it is better off for it. Obama will get 0% of the Catholic vote next election, that is the ones that actually practice their faith and attend services regularly.

Posted by: truthseeker at March 28, 2010 3:19 PM


Hi Heather,

Good to see you. Michael Savage most certainly does not mince words and he was incensed that Kucinich switched his vote to "yes" after a ride on AF1. Right on radio he ranted how Kucinich only needs a ride on AF1 and he lifts his skirts like a cheap whore. Trouble is its so true. The rest of congress and the senate aren't so cheap, but nonetheless whores.

Its so tragic about Detroit. I remember the city it was, I was born and raised there at that time.
A definite correlation between liberals taking over and the city going down the crapper.
You'd think people would see the correlation between liberalism and decay, especially in California.

Posted by: Mary at March 28, 2010 5:47 PM


That guy you spoke of better read the bill. The insurance companies can deny coverage under the bill BUT they have to pay a fine. The fine is a pretty nominal amount which is more of an incentive to the insurance companies than to pay thousands of dollars for coverage of a pre-existing condition.

Posted by: Kristen at March 27, 2010 7:11 PM

Confusing two issues here. One is whether she will be able to get health insurance.... sure, of course. The pre-existing condition won't keep her from getting insurance.

That does not, however, mean that she will actually be allowed to get the specific treatments she needs. There is every chance that the insurance company will disallow them on any number of grounds: not a "proven enough" treatment (VERY subjective); not cost-effectives; etc., etc.

Posted by: Elisabeth at March 29, 2010 12:23 AM


The pre-existing condition won't keep her from getting insurance. Posted by: Elisabeth at March 29, 2010 12:23 AM

If the wife's insurance is subsidized, Christina's colleague might find himself laid off. He might not be amused by the consequences of the IRS sharing household income data with employers.

That does not, however, mean that she will actually be allowed to get the specific treatments she needs. There is every chance that the insurance company will disallow them

Or HHS will disallow based on treatment protocols that physicians must follow or face penalty. The law disincentivizes referrals for expensive types of care, even if it's what the patient needs. Welcome to Obamacare!

Posted by: Fed Up at March 29, 2010 10:09 AM


Mary, nice to see you too. I know. I have talked to so many of the older Clevelanders who are heartbroken over the city falling apart. It used to be such a beautiful place to live. There are news reports today that Dennis was payed. I guess it doesn't matter. What's done is done. However, liberals run my city and it's in complete ruins. leave it to the Dumbocrats. As far as Dennis goes? Cheap whore is fitting!

Posted by: heather at March 30, 2010 11:01 AM


Hi, Mary & Heather. I think Obama prefers to make Kucinich look like a cheap date instead of admitting they're both after the same thing--single payer.

Kucinich had introduced a single payer amendment but it failed. In a meeting with progressives, Obama is reported to have referred him to a single payer provision that had already been written into the bill. Kucinich gave an interview stating he wasn't happy with the 2017 phase-in date for that section of the bill.

I think he got a commitment from the president to move that date forward in future legislation. Or he came to understand from further discussion with Obama that the bill is slanted to lead to single payer without moving up the date.

I think Kucinich got the slick ride as a thank-you between two birds of a feather.

Posted by: Fed Up at March 30, 2010 1:36 PM


Hi FedUP,

Good Point. I know Kucinich was adamant about single payer and all it took was a little sweet talk from Obama. Obama is definitely moving this toward single payer by destroying the insurance companies so Kucinich and he are certainly birds of a feather in that regard.

Well, at least Kucinich isn't as expensive a whore as the others, like Landrieu and Nelson.
He only cost a plane ride, at taxpayer expense of course. I wonder what a shrink would say about his putting such a low price on himself! :)

Oh we can't forget Stupak, selling his vote for a sheet of toilet paper with writing on it. Now that's cheap!

Posted by: Mary at March 30, 2010 6:05 PM


Hello everyone who said things to/about me.

A couple things to xalisae
1) I have never been to nor have I ever posted on /b/ or 4chan for that matter.
2) smearing people like this this is the exact reason why I speak so vehemntly when I have posted on this site.

To vannah
I speak with such contempt, to say it the way we all did as children "they started it!" not on this website of course, but because of things like the people calling in to Bart stupak and calling him a "baby killer, etc." I am also a tad irrational at times and tend to overreact. About the "teh eval womenz hataz" line: what was that about? My grammar has always been to the best of my ability, which is difficult, since all oft postings here I do on a phone. Also i am not sexist, I have no problems with women and I honestly wish hilary Clinton had one the democratic party ticket.

To Jill stanek
Yes mother, I'll hold my tounge ;) define "proximities" for me please. I don't understand what you meant by that one.

To Bobby Bambino
if all "pro life" people were for it, I'd find their moral philosophy questionable, since they would be fine with having some poor, and either stupid or unlucky, woman's life ruined by having to have this child, but be perfectly fine with sending some farmboy from the Midwest die in the desert over a lie.

Also: why were my posts removed? And as for my frequent cursing, I generally speak this way all the time at home and to everyone but my ladyfriends, and general George S. Patton once said, " a true gentelman should be able to curse for two minutes without saying the same word twice." now I'm going to get some ice for this major thumb cramp.

Posted by: Legion at March 31, 2010 4:10 AM


Mary, hi again. I recently picked up a magazine with a very foul picture of Detroit on the cover. I have a friend who used to live in Pontiac, and he calls Detroit, Detoilet! I had no idea it was in such ruins!! However, Cleveland looks the same. There are no jobs here, every house is falling apart. There are tons of empty homes because some of them are so beyond repair. Demolition is the plan for those. However, nobody is even buying. They can't even afford to rent today. People who have a few bucks are keeping their money and cutting costs. The only people padding their pockets are the liberal Dumbocrats! There isn't even any road repair. I am always reminded of this while traveling down a road full of deep pot holes!!!....Fed Up, how true!

Posted by: Heather at March 31, 2010 6:12 PM


Dennis K. has been throwing us under the bus as long as I can remember. Nothing new under the sun here.

Posted by: Heather at March 31, 2010 6:35 PM