Oh, I'd really like to sink this show fast.
It's 1 thing for grown adults to agree to be made fools of on reality t.v. shows
That's exactly the reality show NBC is planning to launch June 25.
The The Baby Borrowers will be a "social experiment" involving 5 teenage couples who play round-the-clock parents and caretakers for 3 days each to a baby, toddler, pre-teen with pet, teenager, and senior citizen ("some with health issues") in succession.
Before initiating child care, the girls will wear a "simulated 'empathy' belly to prepare them for the arrival of their 'baby,'" according to NBC....
The show's website freely advertises, "It's not TV, it's Birth Control," and links to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy "for facts, special discussion guides, tips for parents, and more."
Leadership of the National Campaign is stuffed with liberal think tank and foundation members as well as an unhealthy sprinkling of staff and "clergy" from Planned Parenthood, Catholics for Free Choice, Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, and The Guttmacher Institute. The pièce de résistance is the who's who list of pro-abort politicians involved.
The intention of this show is to scare teens from pregnancy but not sex. To do so it bastardizes the concept of conception and child-rearing of loving married couples surrounded by strong support groups. Unmarried babysitters cannot possibly equate.
Wearing an "empathy belly" only stilts one's posture; it does not for a fraction of time emulate the 9-month bonding experience between mother and preborn child.
And what about the children? Read the wroteopen letter to NBC by Jan Hunt, child psychologist and president of The Natural Child Project that describes the possible harm to babies by this "social experiment."
The BBC, which piloted this show last year, was branded as "sick" for so doing.
[HT: friend Amanda; photo of guy and baby from NBC pilot; photo of girls wearing pregnancy garb from BBC version]
in a world full of truly stupid TV shows, this is a very stupid TV show. Why the heck would I want to watch some teen couple babysitting?
Is this what the writers strike has reduced us to?
I'll stick to Jon Stewart, Colbert, and Obermann.Posted by: Hal at March 21, 2008 2:02 PM
And what about the teens in this show? So, they are going to take kids who want to have a family and show them that it is a bad thing to want kids??? I will not be watching a single second of this show, ever.Posted by: rosie at March 21, 2008 2:26 PM
I won't be watching. It looks boring.Posted by: heather at March 21, 2008 2:33 PM
Wish my husband could have worn an "empathy belly" through my pregnancies. :)Posted by: Carla at March 21, 2008 2:56 PM
I loved being that pregnant! It's such a beautiful feeling...not the empathy belly, of course.Posted by: heather at March 21, 2008 3:23 PM
I've heard of a similar show in Britian. Absolutely disgusting, not to mention dangerous. We are going to take infants and give them to a teen aged babysitter with no emotional attachment or investment in the child at all and have him/her give 24/7 care with no help?? I don't get it. That is not what parenting is like at all.
Who in their right mind would allow their child to be used in this twisted liberal propaganda?? This is shaken baby syndrome waiting to happen. More likely attachment disorder. I would not call any parent who participates in this experiment "loving" as they are basically treating their child as a possession to loan out as they please probably with some kind of monetary gain. Ugh. Just totally disgusting.Posted by: tori at March 21, 2008 3:24 PM
tori, never thought of that, but it's a great point.Posted by: heather at March 21, 2008 3:26 PM
Who do I email to voice my disgust for the show?Posted by: Carla at March 21, 2008 3:27 PM
for the thousandth time, drop the scare-quotes "clergy" nonsense already. just because they and their denominations think differently than you does not make them any less ministers to their communities.Posted by: Anonymous at March 21, 2008 3:38 PM
Tori: That's exactly what I was thinking. What kind of parent would put their child in the care of an unknown teenager? The parents are probably hoping that their children will be discovered by some Hollywood talent agent. I fear that these parents are stage-parents of the worst kind.Posted by: Carrie at March 21, 2008 3:52 PM
Hey National Campaign, here's your new slogan: It is not TV, it's child abuse and elder abuse.Posted by: Carrie at March 21, 2008 3:54 PM
Well, Hal, for once (and probably once only) we agree about something.
Likely not for the same reasons though!
Yeah, we know, we know, pregnancy is the worst disease known to man, and children are a curse. We know all about the "values" of the leftist media.
And I think Olbermann should wear one of those pregnancy empathy belly things while he does his show. It would help to emphasize the seriousness of his wonderful program:Posted by: John Lewandowski at March 21, 2008 5:16 PM
Any attornies reading?
Here's some potential liability material for your baby shaking clients.
NBC are you listening with your pocketbookks of course and not your ears?Posted by: HisMan at March 21, 2008 5:20 PM
Blah, this show will last one episode and then be cancelled.
They've been advertising it for months and when I first saw ads for it back in January all I could think was, "This won't last...what a stupid concept."Posted by: Rae at March 21, 2008 6:06 PM
This is totally out of a strangers with candy episode...and that is supposed to be SATIRE!Posted by: prettyinpink at March 21, 2008 8:05 PM
"It's another when a reality show exploits babies, children, sick elderly, and the teen stars themselves, all unknowingly part of a "safer sex and abort if hexed" t.v. campaign."
Yes, they're acting like it's a disease to be pregnant or have children. I'm glad I don't watch these foolish shows.
and Hal, that bonehead Olberman and MSNBC has turned into Obama TV, even attacking Hillary.Posted by: Jasper at March 21, 2008 8:25 PM
Hillary deserves it at times, Jasper. You're not going to support her like John L is, are you?Posted by: Hal at March 21, 2008 8:27 PM
No, but the far-left has really turned on Hillary, they want her out of the race. I want her to stay in the race to keep the chaos going, LOL...Posted by: Jasper at March 21, 2008 8:38 PM
I think that's John's idea too. He got it from Rush.
The race is over, though. Obama gets the nomination. We'll see how he and McCain fight it out. Hopefully respectful.Posted by: Hal at March 21, 2008 8:41 PM
Jasper, I'm thinking that Hal has a learning disability. I really shouldn't be picking on someone who has mental issues, so if he does, I should stop doing so.
First I informed him that Andrew Sullivan is not a conservative. He didn't seem to 'get' it, though it's very simple - Sullivan votes for whatever candidate is the best supporter of his acts of sodomy. That is not exactly a "conservative" way to vote.
Then I explained to him why I'm voting for Hillary. It's pretty simple; Obama is such a scumbag that if I had to choose between Obama and Hillary, I'd want Hillary to be president. If the contest is McCain vs. Hillary, it would be a disaster if Hillary were elected, sure, but it wouldn't be nearly as horrendous as Barack "Typical White Person" Obama getting in.
Yet Hal continues to claim that Sullivan is a conservative and that Limbaugh told me to vote for Hillary. This can only mean that Hal suffers from some sort of serious cognitive issues.Posted by: John Lewandowski at March 21, 2008 8:53 PM
I want to write a letter to someone. NBC has cleverly made it impossible to actually contact them using information from their website. Does anyone know an email or post address of someone??Posted by: tori at March 21, 2008 8:55 PM
"I think that's John's idea too. He got it from Rush."
I did too! LOL....Posted by: Jasper at March 21, 2008 9:07 PM
John, I won't spend any more time defending Sullivan. He can do that himself. But I will note he didn't mention sodomy at all today. He said this:
I have always noted that Obama is much more liberal than I am. But, frankly, after what Bush has done to limited government conservatism and fiscal responsibility, I find it hard to give much lee-way to Republicans (I do not include Murray) who are now suddenly shocked - shocked - that a Democrat supports government as a solution to certain problems. Where have they been these last eight years as Republicans legitimized such liberal nostrums, and even declared that they were the only moral positions to take on many issues? At least Obama proposes taxing rather than borrowing to fund big government. And, McCain, as I need not remind many conservatives, also has a great fondness for government action.Posted by: Hal at March 21, 2008 9:10 PM
"Then I explained to him why I'm voting for Hillary. It's pretty simple; Obama is such a scumbag that if I had to choose between Obama and Hillary, I'd want Hillary to be president. If the contest is McCain vs. Hillary, it would be a disaster if Hillary were elected, sure, but it wouldn't be nearly as horrendous as Barack "Typical White Person" Obama getting in."
Posted by: Jasper
at March 21, 2008 9:16 PM
I agree John....I had thought of this way before Rush had even brought it up. We in the pro-life community knew about Obama's support of infanticide way before the MSM. As a matter of fact, I wish Rush and Fox news would bring up Obama's 3 votes against the born-alive act.
Hal, you are citing Sullivan's arbitrary justifications for how and why he could support someone as reprehensible as Barack Obama. His justifications are not his core reason, which is that Obama is the most pro-homosexual-sodomy candidate in the race now.
If Obama were exactly the same in every way, EXCEPT anti-gay-marriage, Sullivan would support Hillary Clinton. And he would make the same kinds of melodramatic posts about how wonderful Hillary is and why we should all vote for Hillary. The guy has zero integrity, as he made clear when he decided to vote for the number one liberal in the Senate in 2004. It's even more clear now, since he has spent the last four years whining about "Christianists", yet now he speaks favorably of leftist religious fanatics such as Jeremiah Wright.Posted by: John Lewandowski at March 21, 2008 9:21 PM
well never mind I found itPosted by: tori at March 21, 2008 9:29 PM
Jasper, it was Obama's "race" speech that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. When I saw that man try to defend Jeremiah Wright, arguing that he was stuck in the past and that we need to understand the "context" of his remarks, I was completely disgusted. THERE IS NO CONTEXT in which it's OK to accuse the "rich white people" in the US government of inventing AIDS in order to exterminate the black race. That is UNACCEPTABLE speech.
I knew all about Rush's "Operation Chaos", and while I do find the idea amusing, I would NEVER switch parties just to help throw the Democratic Party into chaos.
I would, however, switch parties if I could try to help stop an evil man from becoming president. That is my rationale; I want Hillary to get the nomination, because I can deal with President Hillary much more easily than I can deal with President Obama.Posted by: John Lewandowski at March 21, 2008 9:31 PM
most gay people seem to be supporting Hillary. Don't know why.
Sullivan supported McCain and Paul in the Republican race, neither one too gay friendly, especially compared to Rudy, who he trashed. That's the end of your argument.
Ok, I said I'd stop defending him.
Just thought you guys would appreciate a Catholic, gay, conservative view of Obama.
I'm none of those things. But I like Obama too. I guess he is bringing us all together....Posted by: Hal at March 21, 2008 9:31 PM
aaaah yes...MORE garbage on television.
What imbecile of a parent would allow their child to be used as a "prop" for this show?
What imbecile family member would allow an ailing relative to be used as one ?
Just when I think TV can't possibly sink any lower, they bring this type of scum to the airwaves.
Posted by: Mike
at March 21, 2008 9:40 PM
Mike, I agree completely.. Who watches this stuff?Posted by: Hal at March 21, 2008 9:42 PM
Hal, Sullivan supporting someone in the primary =/= Sullivan supporting that candidate for president. For example, I support Hillary in the Democratic primary. Does that mean I want her to be president? Heck no!
And one more thing...
"Just thought you guys would appreciate a gay view of Obama."
OK, fixed.Posted by: John Lewandowski at March 21, 2008 9:48 PM
Yes, Obama is bringing us together! Together against him:
"According to a new poll by InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion, 82% knew about the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Obama’s speech about race in America. Of those who knew about the controversy and the speech, 52% said it made them less likely to vote for him. Moreover, 56% of blacks said the speech made them less likely to vote for him."
I think that needs to be repeated a few times:
"56% of blacks said the speech made them less likely to vote for him."
"56% of blacks said the speech made them less likely to vote for him."
"56% of blacks said the speech made them less likely to vote for him."Posted by: John Lewandowski at March 21, 2008 9:52 PM
unfortunately, an ENORMOUS amount of people will watch this.
Gag me.Posted by: Mike at March 21, 2008 9:52 PM
"I support Hillary in the Democratic primary. Does that mean I want her to be president? Heck no!"
It means you think McCain can beat her, but you fear he'll lose to Obama. I think you're right.
Hence, another $250 to Obama today!Posted by: Hal at March 21, 2008 9:53 PM
I get paid to watch Reality shows and this is appalling!
Maybe PETA can get involved - I'm sure they'll care about the pets being exploited.
Didn't the industry learn anything from the CBS debacle that was KidNation?
Viewers hated it.
The lawyers loved it, though, the lawsuits should make them a mint.
I wonder what happens if one of the girls falls in love with her "baby" or actually likes the kids?
Okay, I did some quick research and this is what I found out:
The show is being filmed in Idaho (last time they passed any child labor legislation? 1911.)
However, NBC is getting around even those laws by not paying the children. If they are not compensated, they are not employees. NBC claims they had tons of people offer their children to help make an educational "documentary".
The parents can stop the filming at any time if they feel their children are in danger (supposedly).
The "teens" are all over the age of 18.
A quote from the exec VP of alternate programming:
"I'm not concerned at all," Mr. Plestis said about a possible "Nation"-style backlash. "The producers truly complied with all the state laws. We encouraged all parents to be on set at all times. And it's a big hit in the U.K."
Because a big hit is what it's really all about.
Interestingly, they've only ordered up 5 episodes, less than half a typical season.Posted by: Milehimama at March 21, 2008 10:10 PM
Oh, and here's a handy list of vendors with phone numbers who supported the show. For the activists among us.Posted by: Milehimama at March 21, 2008 10:16 PM
Milehimama thanks for the list!Posted by: tori at March 21, 2008 10:25 PM
They come up with some dumb sh*t in place of all the normal shows that aren't on.
I could go on and on about the stupidity of this show, but everybody else has got it covered.Posted by: Elizabeth at March 21, 2008 10:51 PM
Hal said: "It means you think McCain can beat her, but you fear he'll lose to Obama"
OK, I'm convinced. Hal must have an IQ below 80. From now on, I'll stop making obnoxious remarks about him. As a pro-lifer, I believe that it's wrong to pick on the handicapped.
I never said anything about the electability of Obama or Hillary. I said that I and America would be much, much better off with Hillary Clinton as president than we would be with Barack Insane Obama as president. At least Hillary is a serious candidate.Posted by: John Lewandowski at March 22, 2008 7:22 AM
So the lesson these girls will learn is this... when you're tired of the weight, you can just take it off for "medical reasons" like, "it hurts my back too much" or "it gets in the way of cheerleader tryouts."Posted by: Cranky Catholic at March 22, 2008 8:04 AM
What's with the "babies as monsters" theme? And of course they're putting Granny in the House of Horrors category, too. It's all about calculating how much love can cramp your style. We wouldn't want a little thing like love to get in the way of partying, would we?Posted by: Christina at March 22, 2008 9:10 AM
Sorry, John, I don't think you're going to get your wish of a Hillary presidency. Not for another 8 years at least. You're about to be tested as I have been for eight years. It's very hard to have someone you have absolutely no respect for sit in the Oval Office. Remember how no one cared about Bush having no foreign policy experience, no one cared about his cocaine background, his national guard awols? They just liked the guy, for reasons I'll never understand.
Now we'll have Obama, and it will drive you crazy. If you ever need advice on how to get through the day, just ask.Posted by: Hal at March 22, 2008 9:53 AM
Haaaaal, Obama is NOT going to be the next president! SORRY!Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 10:52 AM
Barack Obama kicked off the presidential primary and caucus season with a bang, by winning over white voters and riding to victory in the Iowa caucuses in January.
But recent contests show he’s losing support in that voting bloc, and if the trend holds he could be in for a rough time in Pennsylvania on April 22.
“Hillary Clinton does better with blue-collar whites, those of lesser incomes who haven’t had the privilege of a college education, so you look to basic demographics of any state and it’s amazing how predictable the results are,” said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. “She’s carried Ohio, she’s going to carry in all probability Pennsylvania.”
The controversy over Obama’s long-time pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., has not helped him with white voters, a new FOX News poll shows, but Obama’s demographic problems could run deeper than that.
In the March 4 Ohio and Texas primaries, exit polls showed Obama was already losing ground with white voters. Clinton took 64 percent in Ohio and 56 percent in Texas. Earlier in the calendar, he was winning over a majority of those voters, in states like New Mexico, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
Now a Quinnipiac University poll shows Clinton increasing her lead among white voters in Pennsylvania, 61 percent of whom say they support her.
Obama is campaigning in the Keystone State — with 158 delegates, the biggest prize left on the primary calendar — but his aides have downplayed its importance as the Illinois senator focuses on states holding other upcoming contests like North Carolina.
With the controversy over Wright, whose anti-U.S. sermons have placed the issue of American racial divides at the center of campaign news coverage for the past week, Obama is facing new repercussions among white voters.
A FOX News poll Thursday, taken March 18-19 of 900 registered voters, showed 40 percent of white voters have doubts about Obama over the issue. Just 2 percent of black voters said the same.
“This one incident or series of incidents has really transformed Obama in many voters’ eyes from a post-racial, post-partisan candidate to a traditional liberal Democratic African-American candidate — that kind of candidate can’t win a general election,” Sabato said.
Obama has been working intently to move beyond the race issue, shifting focus this week to Iraq and the economy after delivering a high-profile address Tuesday on race and his relationship with Wright.
FOX News’ Shannon Bream contributed to this report.Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 11:08 AM
I don't know you guys. I mean maybe it will turn out to be a good thing. I mean, when I was working at a day care last summer I really loved the kids. Even the babies. Sure they were always throwing up and pooping everywhere and getting sick and squishing food and ruining my clothes and screaming but it was worth it to see them learn and grow and just get excited about life. So I guess the moral of my story is don't have a baby if you don't want to take care of it, but if you don't mind a whole lot of vomit then having a child can be really rewarding.
I mean there's a story on the front page of my newspaper about a father who burned his son with cigarettes. Some people just shouldn't have kids. Scott Peterson also pops into mind.Posted by: Jess at March 22, 2008 12:00 PM
Jess, Laci Peterson was told by doctors that she would probably never conceive. I think she only had 1 ovary, as well as other reproductive problems. So, her unexpected pregnancy was an absolute joy for her and a curse for Scott. One of Scott's girlfriends in college had an abortion at his insistence. I've read 3 books about him. You know, divorce is always an option!Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 12:21 PM
If Scott shouldn't have married Laci if she wanted to have children and he quite honestly really, really didn't want any. If you as a woman, want children and your partner doesn't I don't think you should even be having sex.Posted by: Jess at March 22, 2008 12:28 PM
Well, it happened on accident, and Laci wasn't the heartless killer that Scott was. She didn't want an abortion. She accepted it as "that's life."Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 12:53 PM
Also, Scott should have had a vasectomy. If he was really against having children, he should have taken care of things. I'd read that he was very "distant" every time Laci talked about the baby. He was probably planning her murder.Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 12:56 PM
Why does the responsibility of pregnancy prevention usually fall on the woman? It takes 2 to tango.Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 12:59 PM
Well since women are the one's who actually get pregnant it's best that they plan accordingly. But yes, it was stupid of Scott to not have a vasectomy. He probably thought it made him less of a man. Idiot.
Not you heather, Scott.Posted by: Jess at March 22, 2008 1:05 PM
Jess, lol! Congrats on winning Jill's contest:]Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 1:11 PM
Thanks Heather I'm looking forward to reading the book she's giving me : )Posted by: Jess at March 22, 2008 1:16 PM
Really, youd rather have Clinton president if McCain loses? Seems to be opposite of the republicans here in MA (the ones I've talked to anyway), they want ANYONE but Hillary. They'd much prefer Obama to be president to Clinton.
And as for "Operation Chaos," seems an investigation is going to be launched in Ohio, dont remember which, as the affadavit for switching is a legal document, including the loyalty to the new party portion. An investigation may lead to prosecution, as its a federal crime and would result in hefty fines and maybe jail time.Posted by: Dan at March 22, 2008 3:18 PM
Dan, sorry. It's not gonna happen.Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 3:19 PM
Obama is not going to win. I'm very confident in saying so.Posted by: heather at March 22, 2008 3:21 PM
Yeah well... your Mom's not going to be president!
Heather, time will tell. A year from now it will be one of two unlikely stories, President McCain or President Obama.Posted by: Hal at March 23, 2008 12:27 AM
It won't be Obama.Posted by: heather at March 23, 2008 7:01 AM
John McCain will be the next president.
The Democratic nomination of Obama is now mathematically inevitable, outside of superdelegates, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the Democratic party will not allow a white candidate to take the nomination from a black candidate based on backroom deals - a race war would begin that would tear this country apart and destroy the Democratic party forever.
That said, there is no way now with the true nature of Obama having been revealed that he can win the general election against a white, centrist war hero like John McCain. Ain't gonna happen. Obama's association with Wright has sunk him with white voters. Period.
Although I disagree with McCain on many issues, including global warming and embryonic stem cell research, his overall voting record on abortion (100%) is enough for me to give him my pro-life vote. The alternative of Obama's ideal of legal infanticide is, for me, unthinkable.Posted by: PajamaMama at March 23, 2008 11:35 AM
I'd also like to think, and I believe that the polls are supporting this, that the majority of black voters look negatively on the hateful, divisive and backward words and ideas expressed by "Rev." Wright. They also resent the de facto support for those ideas as "based on truth" by Obama's pathetically pandering speech last week.Posted by: PajamaMama at March 23, 2008 11:38 AM
"That said, there is no way now with the true nature of Obama having been revealed that he can win the general election against a white, centrist war hero like John McCain."
There's nothing wrong with Obama's "true nature." He never said any of these "hateful, devisive and backward" words.
He's already recovered in the polls somewhat since his remarkable speech.
Posted by: Hal
at March 23, 2008 5:26 PM
I also believe that McCain will be the winner.Posted by: heather at March 23, 2008 5:40 PM
Hal, he has not recovered enough. Actually, he's in a downward slide right now.Posted by: heather at March 23, 2008 5:42 PM
Heather, he's got until November. Wait til the press starts hammering on McCain and watch the polls then. Remember, some people like McCain, but for most he was the second, third, or lower, choice. Obama is adored by millions, and for good reason.
Posted by: Hal
at March 23, 2008 5:59 PM
Yeah, Hal. A killer smile, a way with words, and the ability to say nothing at all is all one really needs to be the leader of the free world.
Oh...those and a healthy dose of false messianic fervor make Obama a shoe-in.Posted by: PajamaMama at March 23, 2008 6:17 PM
BTW, all of those traits also make for a great used car salesman.Posted by: PajamaMama at March 23, 2008 6:19 PM
Maybe he can put himself over the top in the polls with women by expounding on the virtues of cup holders and lighted makeup mirrors.Posted by: PajamaMama at March 23, 2008 6:20 PM
PJ mama, Loved it! You are so right!Posted by: heather at March 23, 2008 6:23 PM
ROFL!Posted by: heather at March 23, 2008 6:24 PM
Hal, he's adored? By whom? I don't know a single soul who is going to vote for him. And some of these people are PC.Posted by: heather at March 23, 2008 6:29 PM
Hal said: There's nothing wrong with Obama's "true nature." He never said any of these "hateful, devisive and backward" words
There are only three scenarios here, based on what Obama has now openly admitted that he knew and when he knew it. Pick any one of them you want; they each make Obama unfit to be President.
1. Obama disagrees with Wright's hate speech, but did not leave the church for either one of two reasons;
- Obama did not have the courage and personal conviction to stand up to an individual with whom he vehemently disagrees - i.e. Is Not Fit For Office
- Obama could not politically afford to disassociate with the only thing in his life that gave him "street cred" among the black community in his home town of Chicago. He would then risk being labeled a "sellout". He is, thus, a Politician To The Core, in absolute contradiction to the "outsider" and "harbinger of change" that he claims to be.
2. Obama agrees with Wright's hate speech. Pretty self-explanatory why that would make him unfit to be President, so I won't go into that here.
Admit it...he's sunk. And once we get into the bloodbath of the general election, it will really be "Go Time"...and I can't wait...Posted by: PajamaMama at March 23, 2008 6:56 PM
I meant to type "two scenarios" not "three" in the post above.Posted by: PajamaMama at March 23, 2008 6:57 PM
Obama is not going to win. I'm very confident in saying so.
heather how much you wan bet?Posted by: We Sk8trz Rule at March 23, 2008 11:46 PM
Borrowing babies is a great idea. Don't buy a car before you test drive it, right?Posted by: Down with PD Sk8tr at March 24, 2008 1:11 AM
Why buy the car when you get the marshmallow peeps for free?Posted by: Doug at March 24, 2008 2:32 AM
stonersPosted by: Down with PD Sk8tr at March 24, 2008 3:07 AM
heather how much you wan bet?
Posted by: We Sk8trz Rule at March 23, 2008 11:46 PM---------------------------------------------------- My life. ha!Posted by: heather at March 24, 2008 4:09 AM
Look who just endorsed Obama:
Douglas W. Kmiec is Caruso Family Chair and Professor of Constitutional Law, Pepperdine University. He served as head of the Office of Legal Counsel (U.S. Assistant Attorney General) for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Former Dean of the law school at The Catholic University of America, Professor Kmiec was a member of the law faculty for nearly two decades at the University of Notre Dame.
Wow, here's part of what he says:
"As a Republican, I strongly wish to preserve traditional marriage not as a suspicion or denigration of my homosexual friends, but as recognition of the significance of the procreative family as a building block of society. As a Republican, and as a Catholic, I believe life begins at conception, and it is important for every life to be given sustenance and encouragement. As a Republican, I strongly believe that the Supreme Court of the United States must be fully dedicated to the rule of law, and to the employ of a consistent method of interpretation that keeps the Court within its limited judicial role. As a Republican, I believe problems are best resolved closest to their source and that we should never arrogate to a higher level of government that which can be more effectively and efficiently resolved below. As a Republican, and the constitutional lawyer, I believe religious freedom does not mean religious separation or mindless exclusion from the public square.
In various ways, Senator Barack Obama and I may disagree on aspects of these important fundamentals, but I am convinced based upon his public pronouncements and his personal writing that on each of these questions he is not closed to understanding opposing points of view, and as best as it is humanly possible, he will respect and accommodate them."
Read the whole thing here:
Posted by: Hal at March 24, 2008 10:45 AM
Hal, he's losing. It's too late.Posted by: heather at March 24, 2008 10:49 AM
Or as C.S. Lewis put it in the voice of two devils:
"... the search for a 'suitable' church makes the man a critic where the Enemy wants him to be a pupil.Posted by: Hal at March 24, 2008 10:49 AM
Too late Heather? It's over 6 montlh until the election. He's got the nomination wrapped up, all he has to do is beat Grampa "Keating 5" McCain.Posted by: Hal at March 24, 2008 10:51 AM
I dont watch 'reality' tv unless you count Ghost Hunters on the SciFi chanel.Posted by: TexasRed at March 24, 2008 2:22 PM
Ghost Hunters on the SciFi chanel.
Posted by: TexasRed at March 24, 2008 2:22 PM------------------------------------------------------------- Good show!Posted by: heather at March 24, 2008 3:36 PM
heather how much you wan bet?
Posted by: We Sk8trz Rule at March 23, 2008 11:46 PM---------------------------------------------------- My life. ha!
Posted by: heather at March 24, 2008 4:09 AM
ha - Heather, you ready to die already?Posted by: Down with PD Sk8tr at March 24, 2008 3:44 PM
we will see. I just bet my life.Posted by: heather at March 24, 2008 3:52 PM
Is that a sweet board or what?Posted by: Down with PD Sk8tr at March 24, 2008 3:53 PM
Too late Heather? It's over 6 montlh until the election. He's got the nomination wrapped up, all he has to do is beat Grampa "Keating 5" McCain.
Posted by: Hal at March 24, 2008 10:51 AM
man if the democrats can't beat him when he's so pro-war then you gotta wonder.Posted by: Down with PD Sk8tr at March 24, 2008 3:55 PM
thas cool man.Posted by: heather at March 24, 2008 3:56 PM
You just about never know with politics.
I thought McCain was a goner, but back he came.
I didn't think this would be the time when a woman or a black guy had a real chance. Wrong again. Change comes fast.
Also wouldn't think the Republicans had a chance, not after Bush Jr. killing their image so badly, and PD is right - a pro-war candidate is viable?
Just never know....
DougPosted by: Doug at March 24, 2008 5:25 PM
I'm inclined to believe you're right Doug, you can't tell what's going to happen. I was completely convinced that GWB could never win a second term. Never. And yet he did, and by attacking a war hero (when he was less than a hero, to put it nicely)
So, Obama might not win. I accept that possibility. I sure wouldn't bet my life on it. But, he deserves our support and all we can do to help.Posted by: hal at March 24, 2008 7:14 PM
Hal, it's funny but I always liked McCain a lot. He does say what he thinks, even if he's not the smoothest politician or interviewee.
I'm sorry we're in Iraq at this late date, but was glad Saddam was taken out - I thought it should have been done the first time around, in the early 1990's.
For the sake of women I hope McCain doesn't win, but beyond that and the war issue I doubt it would make much difference for most Americans who wins this time.
In my opinion the economy and a generally declining standard of living will increasingly eclipse other issues, more than most people now consider possible, after decades of comparitive "good times."
I'd say whoever wins is going to have a very tough time due to economic stuff alone, through no fault of their own. Hoover II?
DougPosted by: Doug at March 24, 2008 8:23 PM
Doug, I too respect McCain. ANYBODY will be an improvement.Posted by: hal at March 24, 2008 8:28 PM
Well, this show looks dumb. However, I will never turn my back on BBC. BBC and CBC are my only sources of non-Americanized news--a breath of fresh air. PLUS.... BBC did this:
Teehee....Posted by: Leah at March 24, 2008 11:05 PM
Love it, Leah.
The Canadians I used to work with would complain about American coverage of the Olympics, with good reason in my opinion.
You're a cheerful soul.Posted by: Doug at March 24, 2008 11:18 PM
I think y'all missed the point of the program.
Teen pregnancy is on the rise. It's very vogue. I mean, check out Jamie Lynn Spears? Who wouldn't want to be like her?
Unfortunately, a lot of teenagers are misguided when it comes to pregnancy and child care, believing that this child will "unconditionally" love them, which is all they're really looking for. My mother was one of those teenagers -- at 16 she tried (unsuccessfully) to get pregnant. Five children later, she's no longer as thrilled about childbearing, for some reason ...
So you make a show that actually teaches these at-risk teenagers what pregnancy is all about. Oh, and by the way, the real parents are there the whole time (I believe, or at least they were when I saw an episode), monitoring the situation but trying to let the teenagers take control. And why shouldn't they? I've been babysitting since I was 11, and these kids are 15 at least. Old enough to babysit for a few hours.
Usually the teenagers are just freaked out by THE RESPONSIBILITY of having a child, not children themselves. So don't get all up in a tizzy about it, all the show is trying to do is get kids to wait until they're old enough to handle having a kid. Jeez.Posted by: Edyt at March 24, 2008 11:31 PM
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Looks kind of entertaining to me, and I think the parents are right there in case something goes wrong. Although I probably wouldn't donate my toddler for the experiment!
Would you let your teen do it? Hopefully it will at least show them that parenting is really, really hard.Posted by: Baby Riot at June 18, 2008 1:38 PM
I think people are reacting ridiculously to this show, NBC is not promoting abortion, they are just trying educate people so they know what they're getting into if they are trying to have kids. It's own ads say it's not tv, it's birth control, but by promoting safe sex. I'll watch, and I hope others do as well.Posted by: punkypower at June 18, 2008 2:32 PM
Baby Riot, I don't see how how you can approve of this show. It makes light of teen pregnancy!Posted by: Think86 at June 18, 2008 3:42 PM
How does it make light of teen pregnancy? I don't see that at all. I don't necessarily buy in to the fact that they are educating our youth, but I don't anticipate it makes light of anything. Of course, none of us has actually seen it, so who knows!
Ultimately, though, the more blogs, comments, articles, etc. therea are out there about it, the more people will watch.Posted by: Baby Riot at June 19, 2008 12:50 PM
how did we get from babies to obama? anyway, im excited for the show to come out next wednesday night. teens of today need a reality check...prontoPosted by: holly at June 19, 2008 3:51 PM
I don't think that this show is exploitive. I think that the kids are learning an important lesson and that this is a social experiment that is meant to spark debate and discussion.Posted by: Megan at June 19, 2008 5:04 PM
I SAW A PREVIEW OF THE 1ST EPISODE AND THIS LADY BASICALLY SAID SHE'S DOING THE SHOW BECAUSE SHE WAS A TEEN MNOTHER AND DIDNT GET A CHANCE TO BE WHAT SHE WAS SUPPOSE TO BE...TRANSLATION...HER KIDS RUINED HER LIFE! SHE JUST AS BAD AS THE TEENS! I CANT WAIT TO SEE THIS SHOW!Posted by: I CHOOSE U at June 20, 2008 3:14 PM
I got a sneak peak of that show and I would recommend all the mom’s have their teens watch that show and I promise that teens will not be getting pregnant anytime soon...hahahahahahaha...lolPosted by: simone at June 20, 2008 4:24 PM
In light of the recent news surrounding the teen girls making a pregnancy pact, this show looks pretty interesting and may give an inside look at the trial and triumphs of being a young parent. I'm excited to check it out on NBC on June 25th.Posted by: starnmi117 at June 22, 2008 4:05 PM
I am looking forward to The Baby Borrowers. I don't understand why there is so much controversy associated with it. Let's give it a chance!
I love it, I can't wait to see the meltdowns!!Posted by: Blu86 at June 22, 2008 7:05 PM
this comment box is for the baby borrowers show ...
anyways .. I think it is an awesome idea. It's like babysitting and giving an insight to teens. Plus the parents can watch 24/7 and there is a professional nanny right there watching to make sure no harm is done. So stop being so hipocritical including that lady Tori way up at the top. have an open mind.Posted by: Kelly at June 25, 2008 10:00 PM
this comment box is for the baby borrowers show ...
anyways .. I think it is an awesome idea. It's like babysitting and giving an insight to teens. Plus the parents can watch 24/7 and there is a professional nanny right there watching to make sure no harm is done. So stop being so hipocritical including that lady Tori way up at the top. have an open mind.Posted by: Kelly at June 25, 2008 10:01 PM
The show is designed to make the teens understand that parenting is not a joke. It's not the easy thing they see the rich celebrities do. It's a real job; a lifetime job. I applaud NBC and I'll be watching the whole season. Well done! The most real reality show yet.Posted by: Starbuck at June 27, 2008 11:18 AM
NBC didn't need to use real babies for the show. It could have done what many school districts have done and used computerized dolls, but that might not have be as profitable and after all the ferengi at NBC care about money, not people.Posted by: reasonmclucus at July 3, 2008 1:12 AM
This just in....
My next door neighbor, and single parent in the military, just had to leave for a training exercise and will be gone for a few days, leaving his 9 month old baby in the care of a nanny! Somebody call CPS as this is blatantly child abuse.
The couple down the street just went on a little getaway for the weekend, leaving their 7 month old son with the fathers sister who had to fly in to babysit. The sister lives on the other side of the country and has never seen the baby in person before, thus leaving the baby with a stranger while the parents get some much needed alone time! Somebody call the Sheriffs department as the baby was left in the care of a complete stranger for 2 or 3 days. This baby is surely going to be traumatized.
A lady that I work with had to leave on business for a couple of days, leaving her 11 month old son in the care of the children’s grandparents. Somebody please call 911 because this baby is surely going to be traumatized and we need to keep this child from developing detachment issues.
OMG...their are thousands of babies all over that have to stay in daycares, thus being detached from their parents, while the parents go out and make a living to give food, shelter and other necessities to their children. We better start building a lot of new jails as they are going to get over crowded with all these child abusers.
I guess psychology would be a good field to go into, because all these kids are going to grow up needing psychological help!Posted by: Anonymous at July 8, 2008 7:02 PM
It's funny that people automatically want to write something off as evil so quickly. Atleast wait until you've watched an episode!
I was intrigued by the concept of this show because I live in a small town and know a lot of young girls who have gotten pregnant and dropped out of high school. I also watched my grandmother (whom I was very close with) get sick and pass away this year and my mother and I were her sole caregivers throughout the ordeal.
The point of this show is not to make babies look "disgusting", pregancy seem like a "disease" or laugh at the elderly. It is basically an attempt to educate a society that is out of control.
The majority of programs we watch today are reality shows glamorizing "hook ups" with strangers, and performing repulsive tasks in the name of cold hard cash. This is the single television program I can think of that aims to educate.
Celebrities like Jamie Lynn Spears and others have made ill-timed pregnancies look cute and fun. A lot of teenage girls are under the assumption that it is completely normal and healthy to give up life and school to become a teen parent. This program aims to not only demonstrate first hand to it's contestants the true responsibility of parenting, but also achieve the same level of understanding with it's viewers.
You don't just weather the nine months of pregnancy and end up with a cute little doll you can show off to all your friends, which is the impression a lot of young girls seem to have today. Watching other teenagers truly care for babies, and sickly senior citizens could prove to be a valuable learning tool. Teenagers should understand the full bill that comes with parenting. It is sick and unfair how many babies get stuck in horrible homes.
I've watched the program and I think it is sincere in wanting to teach, yet maintain the highest level of safety for those who participate. The actual parents monitor the teens and there is also a nanny on hand to step in if need be.Posted by: Leesh at July 9, 2008 9:24 PM
I have a 3,4, 16, and an 18-year old. My eldest daughter watches it and knows it isn't easy to be a parent. That is exactly what this show is trying to do. Forget all the political innuendo going on. This is more than mere babysitting but an example of true day-to-day struggles of teen pregnancy that is very rampant in this country. I wish all the luck to Jamie Lynn Spears but she needs to put out there that it is not all peaches and cream before more teens decide to become parents.Posted by: Trish at July 9, 2008 11:49 PM
RE: Mother who was pregnant and feels she lost her dreams...why are some of you so negative towards her? Anyone who has kids knows that your life changes in an instant and things you could do before are not an option anymore. She didn't sound bitter, just wistful. It's not like she abandoned her kids and chased her dreams after all. She embraced her responsiblities and now she's trying to help these kids realize that once you become a parent, LIFE CHANGES FOREVER. And for that matter, just because you have kids doesn't mean you should forget about yourself. Parents who make children the center of their existence are doing their kids more harm than good. Your children should know they are the most important thing in your life, but they're not the ONLY thing. They should know their parents have lives beyond just caring for their children. But many parents today cater to their kids and never make them responsible for their own actions, decisions or behavior. Because of this child-rearing mentality, we have a generation of self-centered, over-privileged whiners who have no idea of how to fend for themselves because Mom and Dad have been wiping their butts for eighteen years.Posted by: H at July 11, 2008 1:32 PM
okay really guys. do ur research. they have nanny's that are there in case of emergencies(only) so the participants are never in any real danger. they arent' getting as much money out of as u think either. all of the furniture from the show was sold and the money donated to the salvation army. the houses are being sold too. i think this show could be a good experience for a lot of kids my age. at least 3 generations of my family were teen parents too. i babysit regularly and can handle a child(yes i have kept them for more than a day. i had to watch my 3 year old cousin for a week once) i however know i couldn't handle the financial burden. the parents also constantly monitor the children and can intervene at any time...as some have.Posted by: chandler at July 13, 2008 4:57 PM
Yall are getting on my last damn nerves with this "its boring" and "I wont ever watch it" Well if you actually think about the stuff this show does to those kids that will help them in the long run . It worth the watch. It also has comedy in it from the crazi personalities of the kids .. You cant just judge it off until youve watched it ALL .During this show we do many things that actually help us grow and I know im not the only one in the group of us that feels that way. I wish everyone would stop downing the show on posts because they personally dont like it . Keep your comments to yourself ... Geez ...Posted by: Anonymous Fan at July 18, 2008 2:07 PM
I want to be on this show as a pre-teen!
I think that would be pretty cool! ha
I think that the show is a great idea. Noone was put in danger at all they had grown-ups and Nannies on site 24 hours aday while the kids was there. All shows like this have to have medics on hand to deal with anything that comes up. If any one was in danger someone would step in. Yes one nanny did step in and that just shows that someone other then the teens was there at ALL TIMES to protect the kids. All these kids decided that they wanted to wait while before most of them was ready to go out and have kids. They are tring to get teens to think about what having a child would do to their lives.I didnt hear not one time durning the show that anyone should abort.Posted by: Anonymous at July 30, 2008 9:23 PM
I want to be on the baby borrowers please let me have this opportunity to show the world that i can take care of a child that it is not as hard as everyone makes it seem please please pleasePosted by: Ashlea Nicole West at August 15, 2008 3:29 PM