".... women can come here and be safe."

These comments by pro-aborts get more ridiculous every day. Did Planned Parenthood open a hotel?

Which certain word would that be, Ms. Carol Alvarado?

ABORTION?????

be safe? Since when is Planned Parenthood a shelter for abused women? More like a shelter for abusers to destroy the evidence of their abuse (such as those who abuse teens and then take them to an abortuary to abort the baby)

Exactly Liz!!

http://www.lifenews.com/state5151.html

did i hear them include the words of the infamous PP prayer, "sacred and holy ground," in that newscast?

"It's about family"
specifically, preventing it.
"It is about future"
more accurately, the lack of one.
"A certain word"
death.
"Women can come here and be safe."
Safe from what? The abusive boyfriends who bring them in?
Planned Parenthood, spreading cancer through the Pill, STDs through increased sexual promiscuity, and death through abortion. Why wouldn't you feel safe there?

Seriously, though, those "clinics" are honestly concerning. Have to worry that you might walk out with a few diseases you didn't have when you walked in. Gives me shivers to think about it.

What about growing children in the womb?????? Will THEY be safe as well?!

Kinda nutty to talk about family and a future when you're opening an abortion clinic. Isn't the point of abortion to make sure no family exists and has no future?

The protestors featured in that clip were all women.

Telling, is it not?

"War is Peace"
"Freedom is Slavery"
"Death is Healthcare"
"Some children are more equal than others.."

Just a little missive from George Orwell's Doublspeak Cafe, ;>)!

Will the expectant mothers be able to see their child via ultrasound before having the actual surgery? Will they be able to hear their child's heartbeat?

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

I was directed here by a friend's facebook page. Unlike most people, I think it's important to read points of view that you don't agree with. I believe that is the only hope for people of good will to find common ground.

I respect your right to your beliefs, all I ask is that you try to speak of facts, not rhetoric. Unless, of course, you are not interested in the truth, which is your right as well.

So, Liz, no "evidence" is ever destroyed. When young girls are raped by their family members or others, the medical staff are often the mandated reporter to the police. They also testify in court on behalf of the victims. Abused women are referred to safe havens.

Planned Parenthood offers many counseling and pregnancy prevention services, not just abortions.

Planned Parenthood, as well as other medically licensed facilities, follow laws and protocols just like any other outpatient medical facilities.

No one is pro-abortion. Everyone wishes they weren't necessary. But there are times that they are - like it or not.

It's about respecting a woman's right to make decisions about her own life and health, without being impeded by strangers that don't know or care about her.

Working in these facilities takes a tremendous emotional toll on the people that work there. It's difficult to constantly bear witness to the miseries of our society. It's stressful to worry that you're going to be shot.

What would you do with all these unwanted children, anyway? Do you care what kind of life they would have or do you just care that they are alive?

If anyone would like to have an honest dialogue, I'm open to it. If you just want to call me names, you don't need to waste your time.

But please, speak in facts.

Hello, Let's talk. Welcome to the blog.

You'll find that there's plenty of logical, scientific argument from the pro-life side here. And you'll also find that you're just one of many pro-choicers who are commenters to this blog.

Regarding mandated reporting and following of laws, have you looked into the LiveAction.org videos? If not, please do.

BTW, hang around the blog enough and you'll meet some pro-choicers who are most *definitely* pro-abortion, and aren't afraid to say so.

I am not against a woman making decisions about her own life and health, but I am against the oppression (killing) of her unborn child. Who has more to lose, the child (who loses her life) or her mother?

All these "unwanted" children? You mean those 1.5 million waiting to adopt wouldn't adopt any of the 2 million babies aborted every year? Who is to determine their quality of life? And who are you to imply that perhaps they'd be better off dead? Isn't it interesting how the living choose to impose their views (to the point of death) on these who have never even had the chance to voice their thoughts on the matter?

If you want to have an honest dialogue, it's probably a good idea to come here with some new material (we've heard it all before), or at least do away with your straw men.

Does PP refer for adoptions? Do they give away free maternity clothes? Do free ultrasounds? Give away free, cribs, pack n plays, diapers and formula? Help women after the baby is born?

How does PP help a young scared pregnant female who does not want an abortion?

Aborting babies is where the $$$$$ is. Abortion is a business. PP sells abortion. Just ask Abby Johnson.

There is no common ground when innocent unborn children are killed in their mother's wombs.

some people act as if Pregnany is some sort of disease that needs to be prevented and that abortion is a vaccine. IT IS NOT! Abortion is NEVER EVER necessary. Women need love and help during a crisis pregnancy, not society telling them its not possible to raise a child and finish college or that they would make a bad mother.

And yes, evidence IS destroyed. When a woman becomes pregnant after rape or incest (which is rare!) and an abortion is performed, evidence is destroyed that could convict the rapist. Planned parenthood covers up for abusers by not reporting abuse to the police. why? Because they would more than likely lose $ for the abortion sale if the woman received counseling and the help she REALLY needs.

And don't give us the nonsense that poor women need contraception. This abortuary monstrosity is in the middle of 4 minority neighborhoods, which was deliberate because of the eugenic origins of the founder of Banned Parenthood.

Kelli, I went to the LiveAction website. I'm not a medical professional, but if those clinics are breaking the law, they should should be prosecuted. I'm trying to talk about the big picture, not a tit for tat. I don't assume all pro-lifers would have murdered George Tiller.

I'm not interested in playing a numbers game, either, but your adoption statistics seem questionable. How many of these 1.5 million couples waiting to adopt are white couples looking for white babies?
How many of the 2 million abortions you speak of were from white parents? Why are there so many children waiting to be adopted, living in foster care and group homes? Any reason besides them not being white?
Are you going to assert that there's a waiting list for babies born addicted to crack whose mother's got pregnant selling sex for drugs? That's a life you would wish on a child?
I don't appreciate your insinuation that I came here with "material." I don't belong to any groups, I have no agenda. I'm not really interested in who else comes here and what they say. I just came to dialogue on my own. I wanted to see if it was possible. I don't have any straw men.

Carla, I don't understand why you think PP would force a woman to have an abortion. How do they do that? They force women to sign consent forms? Where did this happen?
Why would you expect PP to perform services that are not within the scope of their services and then criticize them for it?
You really believe it's all about profit? Don't you think there are much safer and easier ways to make alot more money?
I googled Abby Johnson. I never said abortions were pleasant. I'm the one who said no one likes to do them. I'm sure I could never be involved in one either. But that's not the point.

Liz,can you provide the sources of your information? I find it factually flawed and inflammatory.

Hey Let's Talk,

If we really want to cut to the chase we need to talk about when, in your opinion, killing children is a good idea.

Not trying to be inflammatory here, just analytical.

B.O. voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in the IL State Senate which ensures that surviving children of botched abortions would receive medical care to comfort them and possibly help them survive the attack on their lives.

When he "served" in the US Senate the measure passed 99-0, he was the only senator to not support the bill.

WHO IN GOD'S NAME WOULD DENY MEDICAL CARE TO A POOR INNOCENT SUFFERING BABY WHO WAS JUST ATTACKED BY SOME EVIL, DERANGED, KILLER WITH A MEDICAL DEGREE?

Would you Let's Talk?

You know what? It's late, and I don't have the patience to try to get you to see what is so obviously an evil, immoral act.

If you really want to be informed of the facts and the truth, check out abortionno.org and abortioninstruments.com. Then come on back and you'll find many of us willing to hear your views and share our own.

Let’s talk,

It really boils down to one simple question:

Is it acceptable to abort/terminate/kill an unborn human being for whatever reason?

Why would you not get involved in an abortion even though you support people who perform them? Why are abortions so unpleasant? I feel that you sense something wrong in that procedure or else why would you say those things.

I apologize to everyone in advance for the next question, a morbid and terrible question but one that I have to make since it is consistent with your logic Let’s talk, not mine.

As for the abandoned babies “born addicted to crack”, answer this:

Would you consider going into an orphanage and put a bullet to their heads?

OF COURSE NOT! It’s a terrible, horrible, cruel, inhuman, awful, despicable thing to do, to kill an innocent child! But it is no different from an abortion. In both scenarios a human being dies, the only difference is the age of the victim.

I just feel sad asking that but I sense that you are in favor of “mercy killings” but you would not like to soil your hands with that blood.

So tell me, why you rather have other people stain their hands, their minds, their lives and their souls, but not you. Why not, since you find it somehow “necessary”?

What is worse: to give birth to an unwanted child or to kill it? There is no middle ground in that.

Good night everybody I’m off to bed. God bless you all.

Sorry, BIG mistake. I'm very sleepy right now, I meant to say him or her, NOT IT. A child is human being, not a THING. Sorry for any other mistakes.

Just to clarify, there is no such thing as an unwanted child.

There are evil regimes like China that have diabolically and systematically killed well over 300 million children, pre-born and just-born, in the past 30 years. (It doesn't matter that much to them if the suffering, dying children languish in a trash can for a few hours before actually dying.)

China didn't want those children.

There are many fathers that have no intention to provide for or protect their children. They just want to satisfy the lust of their flesh and escape any responsibility to care for their children. In fact, many will gladly pay to have someone kill their children so they will never have to love them.

These fathers despise their children, and are criminally derelict in their responsibilities as men.

There are many mothers who might like to fulfill their roles as moms, but have irresponsible boyfriends or husbands, or are embarrassed that they they had sex when they shouldn't have, or that justify killing their older children because they don't make enough money yet, or that justify killing their younger children because they want to "better care for" their older children.

satan has many schemes, many devices, many lies that his demons will whisper into the ears of fathers and mothers to entice them into killing their children.

But God loves every child.

He wants them.

He receives them back into Heaven.

And when fathers and mothers reject and kill the children He sends them, they provide evidence of the wickedness bound in their own hearts.

Much like God's Own Son was rejected and killed 2000 years ago.

Thank God, there is a remedy for our sinful condition.

His name is Jesus.

Hi Let's talk. I'm just going to address a few of your questions.

"Are you going to assert that there's a waiting list for babies born addicted to crack whose mother's got pregnant selling sex for drugs?"

Yes, though it doesn't exactly work that way. There are specific lists of parents looking to adopt just such a child, but it's not like they just move up the list until it's their "turn." For the most part, the birth mothers/adoption agencies try to match the child with the best family from the list.

"Why are there so many children waiting to be adopted, living in foster care and group homes? Any reason besides them not being white? "

Yes, tons of reasons. Many children in foster care were born to parents who initially wanted them, and have not terminated their parental rights. Thus, a child can be in legal limbo for years where they can not go home to a birth parent, but also can not be adopted. 3 of my white cousins were in just such a situation due to their mother's mental illness. Even though she was in a mental institution in another state, she still retained some parental rights and even her own sister couldn't adopt her children. It took literally YEARS for them to be allowed to leave their home state to go live with that sister.

"Carla, I don't understand why you think PP would force a woman to have an abortion. How do they do that? They force women to sign consent forms? Where did this happen? "

There have been many women who report saying "stop" in the middle of an abortion only to be held down and forced to continue. Aside from this, PP has been caught lying about fetal development and using cooersive techniques to push women into abortion.

"Why would you expect PP to perform services that are not within the scope of their services and then criticize them for it? "

Planned Parenthood is constantly bemouning the fact that crisis pregnancy centers don't offer "comprhensive women's healthcare." The implication, of course, is that Planned Parenthood DOES offer "comprehensive women's healthcare." The problem is that they simply don't. When I was pregnant with my first child I was in a state away from home and didn't have even a PCP. I was raised to think that PP= the place for all things women/reproduction. I called PP and they informed me that they offered ZERO prenatal care, but they could give me an abortion. When I explained that I didn't want an abortion, I got a hard sell. I think the woman on the other end literally told me 8 times that I could have an abortion at her clinic, and was I sure I didn't want an abortion.

The fact that PP pretends to be something it's not is one of the most frustrating things about it because it hides the true nature of the beast.

Lets talk,
Women are FORCED by husbands, boyfriends and parents to abort. PP has a right to ask these women if they are there of their own free will!!

Yes. I know women that have been held down by clinic staff and forcibly aborted while screaming NO! STOP!

PP coerces women to abort by not talking about fetal development. I was told it was just a bunch of cells. I was shown a filmstrip of a bunch of red circles. I had no ultrasound. I was 10 weeks along when I had my abortion. I was flat out lied to by omission!! Think that is a rare? Think again.

Google the fetal development of a baby that is 10 weeks. Do you not see the tiny fingers, hands, arms, legs, head, face, body??

Abortion is a business. Watch for the documentary Blood Money.

Heres the trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaTywSDmls