The IN Attorney General says his office is also investigating PP of IN.
The development comes after a health center aide was caught on video telling a woman who claimed to be a pregnant teen to lie about the age of the father.
A pro-life group member posed as a 13-year-old and secretly shot the video at a Bloomington clinic in June. She told an aide she'd been impregnated by a 31-year-old man.
The aide told the woman she could get an abortion in IL where parental consent is not needed and to not reveal the father's age.
Carter says if the investigation leads to criminal charges, it would be handled by a prosecutor. His office would handle any medical wrongdoing.
PP has fired the aide.
Yesterday Hot Air reported, "On Friday, IN's Department of Child Services announced that it would not investigate the incident," but, "[t]he AG's move carries more potential threat, however, with criminal prosecution possible."
According to undercover film maker Lila Rose in an email update yesterday, the release of a 2nd IN sex-abuse cover-up film is imminent. IN state Rep. Jackie Walorski's website tantalized us with a link to the video, which remains private.
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I saw this yesterday on Hotair.
The abortion advocates are moral relativists. it is their claim that a womans privacy is more important than prosecuting child molestors and rapists. This is part of the criminal case for Tiller the killer in Kansas.Posted by: xppc at December 16, 2008 10:44 AM
Two does not a pattern make. I understand you don't like planned parenthood, obviously it comes with the field. And yeah, these people need to be fired for violating state laws. However, 2 separate incidents does not make a pattern. If a third and/or fourth video show up from other facilities, well then I'll give you a pattern and that there's likely something even more wrong with PPIN than employees unwilling to follow the law.Posted by: Dan at December 16, 2008 11:13 AM
" If a third and/or fourth video show up from other facilities, well then I'll give you a pattern and that there's likely something even more wrong with PPIN than employees unwilling to follow the law. "
There are more than 4 video's, Dan....I lost count already...and in different states and different PP locations, too...Posted by: RSD at December 16, 2008 11:21 AM
No rapes and crimes need to be punished one at a time. Not wait till there is a "pattern". Every single case matters. The morally bankrupt left thinks it needs to be a crime wave before it must be examined. This is how the abortuaries bully the prosecutors. Dan, if you had a daughter would you want a pattern of sexual attacks before you called the cops? Surely you wouldn't want the cops involved in a single incident. Seeking a large pattern is a form of Minimizing crimes.Posted by: xppc at December 16, 2008 11:22 AM
Dan, what about 800 phone calls where 90 percent of them said the same thing?
Dan, I'm not sure Planned Parenthood wants these laws ignored, but I'm becoming convinced they are not training their employees well enough. They should take steps to make sure this doesn't happen. Employers make rules and enforce them if they care about an issue.
As I said on the next thread, if there are legitimate public policy reasons for an exemption for abortion providers, take it to the legislature. I'm not aware of any, however.Posted by: Hal at December 16, 2008 11:53 AM
Dan, as others have said the same thing was shown to happen in California, as well as Texas. It's a pattern.Posted by: lauren at December 16, 2008 12:39 PM
More on this at http://www.lifenews.com/state3706.htmlPosted by: Steve Ertelt at December 16, 2008 2:42 PM
In Kansas, they even got the legislature to pass a law that abortion mills are no longer "mandatory reporters". It seems they place abortion above everything out there.....Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 16, 2008 5:11 PM
Doyle, that's disgusting.Posted by: Oliver at December 16, 2008 5:43 PM
Doyle and Oliver, I was wondering about that. What's the rationale for excluding abortion providers? TPosted by: Hal at December 16, 2008 5:51 PM
Posted by: Hal at December 16, 2008 5:51 PM
Because Tiller has to be protected at all costs.
'A man convinced againat his will is of the same opinion still.'
You do not 'WANT' to believe these things are true.
You choose to remain in your willfull ignorance because you do not want to jeopardize your bliss.
One of the guys I used to work with told me I was lying about second trimester abortions. I got the local phone book, turned to abortion in the yellow pages and showed him the ads for second trimester abortions.
He was annoyed. Not because I was right and he was wrong, but because he was emotionally attached to his opinion and he did not want to let go.
Humans are stump stupid!
I am sure we all have one or two 'opinions' that we quite fond of.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at December 16, 2008 8:39 PM
"Employers make rules and enforce them if they care about an issue."
Hal, once in a rare while, I agree with you 100%...and this is one of those rare moments.
Given the obvious "pattern" on how PP employees (far and wide) handle a statutory rape scenario (real or otherwise), on the phone and in person...there is definitely a "rule" being enforced and followed here...
And hopefully, the IN AG investigation would be the first of MANY investigations on PP's illegal activities, NATIONWIDE.
Hal, I don't have any specific information on any "rationale" given for the exclusion of abortion mills as mandatory reporters in Kansas, I only know that it happened at about the time Killer Tiller was under investigation by AG Kline for not following the law on that issue. Putting two and two together, it might appear that the huge sums of money funneled to various Kansas political campaigns by "ProKanDo" (Tiller's own PAC) did produce the desired result.Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 17, 2008 3:20 PM
I bet there an arugment (maybe not a very good one) that the reporting requrement would make these girls do something even more dangerous. I don't know. I wouldn't think the late term abortion doctors would really care about it, as someone trying to cover up the abortion and illegal affair would probably go in early, not late. I really have no idea, but obviously those Planned Parenthood workers caught on tape had some excuse in their own minds why they didn't want to know the age of the "boyfriend." I may not agree with them, but I don't think it's as simple as just the "money."Posted by: Hal at December 17, 2008 5:04 PM
I imagine the PP workers in Indiana were simply doing as they had been instructed, Hal. In Kansas, there is an "abortion mafia" centered Tiller's around the ProKanDo PAC that funnels huge sums of money to various proabort politicians. Two different organizations, two different states.Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 17, 2008 7:53 PM
The apologists are starting to sound like Alan Colmes. "There has to be some other explanation than the obvious. This just canot be true. I do not want it to be true. You are just saying these things and showing these things because you don't like these people."
If you just quit resisting, it will all become clear. The fog will burn away and you will see things as they really are. It will not be a pretty site. You will have to fight the urge to turn away. It will take some courage, some honesty, some integrity to behold and believe the truth as repugnant as it may be. It will be akin to knowingly sawing off the flimsey limb you have been sitting on for so long.
You can choose to ignore the truth, but reality will will overtake you. It will impose itself on your consciousness sooner or later.
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at December 17, 2008 10:07 PM
kbhvac, I'm not apologizing for them. I object to what there doing (or not doing) regarding notification of statutory rape. I would like to understand it better, not to agree, but to understand.Posted by: Hal at December 17, 2008 11:00 PM
" I may not agree with them, but I don't think it's as simple as just the "money."
What else is there for PP, Hal?
Oh wait....now I remember, maybe world domination of their liberal, eugenic, morally relativistic cause (like what their founder envisioned).Posted by: RSD at December 18, 2008 8:56 AM
Remember RSD, Planned Parenthood workers believe the services they provide, including abortion, help women. They really do.
These are good people trying to do what's right. So when I see them doing something that seems so wrong to me, I wonder what they're thinking.Posted by: Hal at December 18, 2008 9:28 AM
Abortion mill workers are not philantropists, Hal. They need a job. They are willing to do almost anything for a paycheck. They really could care less about philosophy or charity.
Oh, and the KKK does a lot of community service, so I hear, they aren't just limited to lynchings. And they really, really believe that they are helping the community... why they don't even charge for their services, and they don't get paid. They're all volunteers!Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 18, 2008 10:32 AM
Cut Hal a bit of a break. It's like you're pissed at the troll Cameron and are taking it out on Hal. We all know Hal is pro-choice and generally believes PP is a good organization. We strongly disagree with him on both points.
Hal has said that he is very disturbed by the videos (and possible trend forming- how many more are there?). He has said that he will cease donating to PP until he feels assured that they are taking steps to curtail such illegal activities. Then why are we attacking him?
Doyle, you and I may believe/infer that these were typical PP employees and not the exception. However, the more we attack Hal for not publicly flaying PP, the more likely it is Hal will continue to support PP no matter what further evidence is presented. As for PP, if this scandal pushes them to become less evil (start reporting rapists and abusers instead of providing cover), this reduction of evil is still a victory.
I would love abortion to be gone tomorrow. But the overturn of Roe won't end abortion. Conversion of hearts, achieved not by the sword but by gentle words, will do much more good.Posted by: Michael at December 18, 2008 10:49 AM
I have not "attacked" Hal. Can you show me one word of "attack" in my post? I have refuted his faith in PP, But I have made no personal smears.
I am much more concerned that the truth about PP be known that in making friends on this forum, anyway. I don't view the prolife movement as a social club, or a fraternity. We don't save babies by making friends with the proaborts, we do it by speaking out for the babies at every opportunity.
As Mark Crutcher of Life Dynamics says: "I'm not here to make friends with the proaborts, I'm here to defeat them". If they decide that they want to stop supporting the slaughter of the innocent unborn, they will do so whether they like me or not.
If they are going to "convert", it will be because they actually feel remorse for their actions in support of the destruction of innocent human life, not because they are now friends with some prolifer or the other.Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 18, 2008 3:07 PM
====If they are going to "convert", it will be because they actually feel remorse for their actions in support of the destruction of innocent human life, not because they are now friends with some prolifer or the other.====
Doyle, my beef with you would be here. As long as sufficient numbers of pro-lifers berate and insult pro-choicers like Hal, there is no incentive for him to want to understand our position. The desire to understand our position intellectually is more likely to awaken his heart than inflammatory language (and whenever you invoke the KKK like you did is inflammatory).
Friends can and should challenge each other. Think of MK. She didn't agree with Hal, and certainly doesn't condone his and his wife's decision to abort two pregnancies. However, instead of dismissing him, declaring disgust at "murdering two of your own children," she conversed with him civily. Heck, she even got Hal to participate in a prayer experiment. If Hal ever becomes pro-life (and I could see him as an awesome pro-life advocate), it will be because of people like Bobby and MK.
There are topics and places to have righteous indignation, and there are ones where the truth speaks more clearly when uttered softly. When someone who has strongly supported PP expresses doubts and disappointments in the organization, it is the season for quiet encouragement and soft challenging to go further, not the season for more harshness.
Burn for the truth, Doyle, but be careful with the flame.Posted by: Michael at December 18, 2008 4:15 PM
You think mentioning the KKK was "inflamatory"? How many people do you think that the KKK killed? The abortion mills of this country kill more blacks in one day than the KKK ever killed in their whole history! So the only "inflamatory" thing I can see about mentioning the KKK is that I may have slandered them a little by mentioning them in the same paragraph as the abortion mills.
I did not become a prolifer because I "like" prolifers, heck I didn't even know any. I was just a typical carefree bachelor who was apathetic and uninterested in the issue, until it came home to me personally.
I think that most of the things that happen to a person to make them aware of the moral issues involved in abortion have nothing to do with online debates like this, I think that things have to happen in their personal lives to do that.
These online forums are good to sound off, get something off your chest, learn the latest news in the abortion wars, and practice your skills in rebutting proabort lies. But that's about all, IMO.
So no, I don't think that the best way to win the abortion wars is to "make friends" with the proaborts. You go right ahead and buddy up with them all you want to, I will continue the fight in my own way, thank you just the same.
If the plain, blunt truth is too painful for someone, then they desperately need to feel some of that pain.Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 18, 2008 4:54 PM
Doyle, would you mind telling us how the abortion issue came home to you personally?
Michael, thanks for your kind words, but I don't mind the posts by Doyle, or the others. I DO want to understand your thinking (although I think I've got it figure out pretty well)Posted by: Hal at December 18, 2008 9:00 PM
Hal, many, many years ago I was told that a child of mine was to be aborted, and that I had nothing to say about it. My offer to take and raise my child was rebuffed with the comment "being pregnant for 9 months would hinder my chances for a promotion on the job" (advertising copy writer).
That was my introduction to the abortion issue.Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 19, 2008 8:04 AM
Doyle, I appreciate you sharing that.Posted by: Hal at December 19, 2008 8:08 AM
I second Hal's sentiment, and I am sorry that you lost a child to abortion. I hope your efforts prevent other fathers from having the same grief.
MichaelPosted by: Michael at December 19, 2008 9:04 AM
Hal and Michael, you're welcome and thanks.
I know that there are other ways to have your eyes opened (like seeing a photo of an aborted baby), but that's what it took to open mine.
What I went through was perhaps the most painful way, but it certainly has stuck with me after all these years.Posted by: Doyle Chadwick at December 19, 2008 10:32 AM
Doyle, very well said, and I appreciate your honesty. I like your posts.Posted by: Doug at December 19, 2008 11:08 AM
Doyle, I am so very sorry.Posted by: Bethany at December 19, 2008 1:16 PM