Breaking News: Chinese maker of RU-486 involved in tainted drug scandal

breaking.jpgThe New York Times reports today on its front page that the sole manufacturer of RU-486, a Chinese state-owned drug company named Shanghai Hualian, "is at the center of a nationwide drug scandal" involving contaminated leukemia drugs that caused paralysis in 200+ Chinese patients and an attempted cover-up afterward....

Since its approval in 2000, the FDA has until now never publicly identified the Chinese maker of RU-486, which was first developed in France.

RU-486's US distributor is Danco Laboratories. Get this. According to the NYT, "Danco, which does not list a street address on its Web site, did not return two telephone calls seeking comment." Sounds real legit.

One major US drug company, Pfizer, has refused to do business with Shanghai Hualian, due to poor quality. But not so for abortion drug distributor Danco. Par.

More to follow.

UPDATE, 2:25p: The NYT reports the Chinese FDA has stripped Shanghai Hualian's license to produce cancer drugs but not to produce RU-486. Meanwhile, two company officials have been detained by authorities.

Not to worry, says a Chinese FDA official. Shanghai Hualian's RU-486 plant is an hour's drive from its cancer drug plant, which agents have closed.

This is the same Chinese FDA whose top official was executed last year for taking bribes to approve substandard drugs, one of which killed at least 10 people, according to NewsInferno.com.

And don't forget, the Chinese government owns both its FDA and the drug manufacturer.

headline.jpgUPDATE, 3p: This is all our fault, even though there's no problem, according to Brilliant at Breakfast. It only took a few hours. 'Wish I'd timed it.

But, if you read the article, it's actually about lax import standards, lax FDA oversight, and how the fetophile movement's influence in government has created an environment in which importation of RU-486 was the only way to get it here.

By running a story with an inflamatory and inaccurate headline, the Times has allowed the RU-486 aspect of the story to overshadow the larger picture, which is that as the pharmaceutical industry outsources more of its manufacturing overseas, and Republican-dominated government insists that any regulation of industry is a bad thing, what we end up with is tainted drugs.

Indeed the larger picture for pro-aborts is that headline, according to other blogs I scanned.

Too bad RU-486 isn't a pet medication. Then they'd be riled.

[HT: Joe Morris]


Comments:

Ohhhh the IRONY of it all...!


SAFE! LEGAL! Made in China!

Mwa Ha Ha Ha Ha! (Bethany, icon, please)

Now that I've wiped the tears from my eyes, imagine the recalls. "Sorry, your preferred Method of Choice has been temporarily terminated."

This might seriously freak some RU 486 users out.

Posted by: carder at January 31, 2008 2:28 PM


It is pretty sad that we are giving drugs to people made by the same country that cannot make toys to be safe. Yet somehow we think they can make drugs safe?

Posted by: valerie at January 31, 2008 2:41 PM


What goes around comes around.....

Posted by: Janet (Anon2) at January 31, 2008 2:52 PM


These drugs are only used on women. So who cares.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2008 2:53 PM


What percentage of US drugs are supplied by undisclosed suppliers?

I have no idea. Is there anyone who is in pharmacy and would know?

Posted by: hippie at January 31, 2008 3:00 PM


China already executed one fellow for taking bribes from drug companies. He allowed for sale an 'antibiotic' that either didnt work or was just a placebo and caused the death of several people. There were several other drugs involved. It doesnt surprise me that jill takes joy in the prospect of women being hurt. According to her, if they were 'evil' enough to consider an abortion then they deserve anything bad that happens to them.

Posted by: TexasRed at January 31, 2008 3:19 PM


The NYT reports:

"Because of opposition from the anti-abortion movement, the F.D.A. has never publicly identified the maker of the abortion pill for the American market."

"Mr. Zheng at Peking University said that producing multiple drugs in a single workshop was risky, but that some Chinese companies saw it as a way to save money. It was an accident, he said of the Hualian case. But it was bound to happen.

So...if the FDA had been forthcoming with the truth from the start, the manufacturer may have been put out of business long ago, and these people wouldn't be sick. Why weren't they? Hmmm...

Posted by: Janet (Anon2) at January 31, 2008 3:23 PM


Imagine what this might be doing to those women who are routinely using this drug? I've read of women who have used it up to 20 times.

And yes, if this were a pet drug, there would be recalls and demands that someone pay. It's unlikely RU-486 would be made in the US anyway. I'm betting no American company will pick it up because they don't want to have the lawsuits that will eventually be filed re this drug.

And TxRed I think the problem is that women are so desperately trying to be like men, instead of promoting and lauding our femininity (even the part which includes having babies) that we will abort our babies, take poisonous drugs that hurt our bodies, mutilate ourselves (as in sterilization), what ever it takes to be free. But the "freedom" is an illusion.

Posted by: Patricia at January 31, 2008 4:09 PM


So, the mifepristone is made in a different plant, in a different place, by different people, and none of it has ever been found to be tainted... but we're supposed to be outraged?

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:21 PM


And TxRed I think the problem is that women are so desperately trying to be like men, instead of promoting and lauding our femininity (even the part which includes having babies) that we will abort our babies, take poisonous drugs that hurt our bodies, mutilate ourselves (as in sterilization), what ever it takes to be free.

But Patricia, why should women have babies they don't want?

But the "freedom" is an illusion.

How is it an illusion?

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:29 PM


Reality: Same company in a country ridden with tainted everythings - pet food, children's toys, multiple, multiple drugs that have paralyzed and killed people. No worries?

And TR, pro-lifers are concerned about women's health and safety, one of the issues here. Your side certainly isn't. RU-486 was approved in the waning days of the Clinton administration on a fast-track that was supposed to be reserved for life-saving drugs. At least 8 women have died in North America from taking RU-486. No worries from you either?

Posted by: Jill Stanek at January 31, 2008 4:32 PM


Even when abortion drugs kill women, abortion supporters just say well that is rare etc. They will never be outraged cuz they like abortion more than women's safety anyway. The FDA itself issued a long report to congress complaining that it was forced to approve the drug that was not as safe or as effective as current methods. Its title was "Lowering the Standard for Women's Health" because the criteria for RU 486 approval was lower than any drug ever approved by the FDA. The report was written by FDA scientists who had worked at the FDA for years.

So, "reality" tell us how their opinion is so stupid, ignorant and biased.

Posted by: hippie at January 31, 2008 4:33 PM


Use methotrexate instead.

Posted by: SoMG at January 31, 2008 4:33 PM


Jill, when RU-486 was approved in the USA it already had a substantial track record of safety and efficacy in Europe and Asia.

Posted by: SoMG at January 31, 2008 4:40 PM


It doesnt surprise me that jill takes joy in the prospect of women being hurt. According to her, if they were 'evil' enough to consider an abortion then they deserve anything bad that happens to them.

Posted by: TexasRed at January 31, 2008 3:19 PM
TR,
You reallly don't get the gist of the site do you TR. Not one takes joy in the prospect of women being hurt. And yes we do care about the babies.

If anything PLers have always been more concerned about women's health than the PCers side.

Where has your side been when abortions mills are closed down for state health violations for not having proper medical staff on hand, not having running water, having blood soaked exam room floors, blood caked on exam tables, unlicensed quack performing abortions.

All of the above situations outed by PL watch groups.

Where has your side been when women cry for help because the regret their abortion and need emotional help? (you won't even acknowledge this happens)

Where has your side been on statutory rape when adolecent girls are hauled to the abortion clinic by thier fathers, cousins, or 22 year old boyfriends to seek abortions? (your side covers it up by performing the abortion and sending the girl right back in to the perpetrator)

Where has your side been on the deaths of women seeking legal abortion and die needlessly at the hands of unqualified quacks? (your side calls 911 and tells the ambulance to leave the lights and sirens off, or sends the girl to a hotel room to die)

Where has your side been when abortionists are caught performing illegal abortions on viable babies. (your side denies this ever happens)

Where is your side when women suffer infertility or premature births due to past abortive procedures? (your side denies this ever happens)

Where has your side been when women have reported sexual abuse by the abortionist?
(Nowhere)

You personally have just again proven the fact that you don't care about women. Instead of being concerned that this company is producing and selling a drug that could be tainted and potentially harm or kill women, you again shout foul at the pro-life side for bringing it to your attention.
***************
According to her, if they were 'evil' enough to consider an abortion then they deserve anything bad that happens to them.

Posted by: TexasRed at January 31, 2008 3:19 PM

TR,
Where exactly did you read this??
Interesting. I have read many stories about abortionists who feel this way about the women that come in for abortions.

Posted by: Sandy at January 31, 2008 4:41 PM


Reality: Same company in a country ridden with tainted everythings - pet food, children's toys, multiple, multiple drugs that have paralyzed and killed people. No worries?

Jill: Do you have any idea how much stuff we import from China? Of course I'm not worried. The article gave no reason for me to be worried. I'm not on cancer drugs, so why should I worry?

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:54 PM


So, the mifepristone is made in a different plant, in a different place, by different people, and none of it has ever been found to be tainted... but we're supposed to be outraged?

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:21 PM

Would you feel the same way if this were about your chilren's toys?? Your pet's kibbles?
The make-up you wear? A different drug you or a family member is taking that is made by the same company?

Posted by: Sandy at January 31, 2008 4:57 PM


Hippie, mifepristone had already been used safely for 20 years all around the world before it was approved in the US. I'd be more worried about all the new sleeping pills and cholesterol drugs that keep popping up on the market every year. Who is vetting these products?

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:59 PM


Would you feel the same way if this were about your chilren's toys?? Your pet's kibbles?
The make-up you wear? A different drug you or a family member is taking that is made by the same company?

Of course I would. I should be so lucky to know that all my child's toys, pet food, make-up and drugs are made in plants with no history of problems. Isn't that usually considered a good thing?

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 5:02 PM


When they say "fetophile movement" are they speaking about the pro-life movement?

Fetophile..that's a new one. Those creative little buggers.

Posted by: Elizabeth at January 31, 2008 5:13 PM


Of course I would. I should be so lucky to know that all my child's toys, pet food, make-up and drugs are made in plants with no history of problems. Isn't that usually considered a good thing?

So as long as it doesn't affect YOU, you don't really care?

Posted by: Elizabeth at January 31, 2008 5:15 PM


Excellent post, Sandy!! 4:41pm

Posted by: Carla at January 31, 2008 5:17 PM



OK Reality,

"One major US drug company, Pfizer, has refused to do business with Shanghai Hualian due to poor quality. But not so abortion drug distributor Danco. Par."

Does this not worry you? Sounds like you like to pay russion roulette to me.

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Posted by: Sandy at January 31, 2008 5:17 PM


I'd be more worried about all the new sleeping pills and cholesterol drugs that keep popping up on the market every year. Who is vetting these products?

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:59 PM

I am worried. So are many who publish articles in the NEJM. It is a hot topic. FDA standards are dropping fast. And with companies and interested parties quickly shifting to support democrats with $, I fear the big business-favoring republicans will be replaced by big business-favoring dems. Not that it pleases me to say so.

Posted by: Anonymous at January 31, 2008 5:41 PM


Thanks Carla,
Although I can't tell you how many times I have posted similar statements and not ONCE, not EVER have I gotten a reply from the pro-choice side.

I guess it's easier to keep your hands over your ears and shout LALALALALALA.

Posted by: Sandy at January 31, 2008 5:52 PM


reality

Hippie, mifepristone had already been used safely for 20 years all around the world before it was approved in the US.

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:59 PM

The safety of the drug itself was not the only concern to the FDA scientists in their complaint. Their beef was the lowering of standards based on politics not science.

Do we really want to lower drug safety standards without a scientific basis?

Posted by: hippie at January 31, 2008 6:05 PM


I may be wrong on this, but wasn't RU-486 originally made to be a cancer drug? Isn't is still used to try to cure cancer?

It is amazing how outraged people got when only a few dogs got sick and or died but could care less that almost 200 people became sick or died. Amazing!

Several drugs have been taken off the market for less than this. Some drugs that were around for much longer than 20 years have been found to be bad for us and removed from the market. I believe Phenylpropanolamine was around for much longer than 20 years when it was removed from all allergy meds.

Just because something has been taken for years doesn't mean it is good for the body. They used to give aspirin to people with the Flu and now they say you shouldn't do that. They used to hand out antibiotics like it was candy and now they say not to do that.

OOPs...How can that be? YOu mean meds that were once considered safe for decades can actually cause more problems......

Let's start using our brains on this one. If this was any other drug other than something that caused an abortion this would have been recalled 2 seconds after this info was released.

Posted by: valerie at January 31, 2008 6:05 PM


Two things...one, that parent company in France is part of the same company that provided the gas that killed the Jews in Germany. And they say there is no connection to the holocaust...

And two...486 is the code for Homicide. RU for homicide?

Posted by: mk at January 31, 2008 6:06 PM


A little history
RU-486 was invented in France by the Roussel-Uclaf company in 1988. (The "RU" in the name is the initials of the name of the company; the "486" simply means that it was the 486th product they invented.) Roussel-Uclaf planned to market the drug in the U.S., but opposition from pro-lifers led them to back down. Partly they were afraid of boycotts, and partly they were embarassed when connections were drawn between this drug and earlier products by the same company. The controlling interest in Roussel-Uclaf is owned by a German company, Hoescht AG. During World War II Hoescht was a division of IG Farben, the company that made the zyklon gas used to kill Jews in the concentration camps. Many French people were disturbed by the connection.

But then they were subjected to counter-pressures from pro-abortionists, so in 1994 they came up with a "compromise": they donated the U.S. rights to the drug to a pro-abortion advocacy organization, the Population Council. The Population Council is not a drug manufacturer and had no facilities to actually produce or market such a drug, so they created a new company to do this, called Danco Laboritories. FDA approval was delayed until Danco could meet federal manufacturing and labeling requirements.

RU-486 is now available in 14 countries.

http://www.pregnantpause.org/abort/486go.htm

Posted by: mk at January 31, 2008 6:08 PM


okay -

It is in studies to help cure cancer it hasn't been used as such yet.....

It has not been approved but is in phase II studies for treatment of:

uterine fibroids, endometriosis, major depression with psychotic features, glaucoma, meningiomas, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, and some types of Cushing's syndrome.

Posted by: valerie at January 31, 2008 6:17 PM


Can't find anything to back this one up, so for now scratch it...

And two...486 is the code for Homicide. RU for homicide?

Can't remember where I heard it...oh well.

Posted by: mk at January 31, 2008 6:23 PM


486 is the code for Homicide.

MK, I thought it was Code 187, or 10-54, which is also CB radio lingo for "we might have a dead body.."

Also, are we done on that story about going down a road? Did I miss something?

Doug

Posted by: Doug at January 31, 2008 6:27 PM


MK -

I think you may be thinking either medical or programming.

Many hospitals have different code number to mean different things. You may have seen were a hospital had a code 486 meaning possible homicide in the ER and someone needs to call police. This would be used if the person who brought the body in could be a suspect.

Also, I know there is some sort of code 486 in programming but I don't know what it is. I very good friend of mine is a huge computer geek/programmer/R&D person and when I said something about RU 486 he got confused and thought I was talking computers to him. It was really funny!

Anywhoo.....

on with the debate.....

Posted by: valerie at January 31, 2008 6:33 PM


Doug,

as you can see I corrected myself on that one. I think I heard some guy on the radio say it...

No we are not done.

Last question.

You continue on the road again, and you come to a wall. The wall is as high as eternity. As far to the left and right as eternity. As deep as eternity. As thick as eternity.

What do you do?

Posted by: mk at January 31, 2008 6:34 PM


Big fight at Chuck E. Cheese

http://tinyurl.com/27s7zd

Hilarious. Jacqueline, if you're out there....

Posted by: Doug at January 31, 2008 6:50 PM


MK: The wall is as high as eternity. As far to the left and right as eternity. As deep as eternity. As thick as eternity.

What do you do?


Looks like that way is fairly well blocked. I turn around and go the other way on the road, seeing where that end of it leads.

Doug

Posted by: Doug at January 31, 2008 6:53 PM


"So, the mifepristone is made in a different plant, in a different place, by different people, and none of it has ever been found to be tainted... but we're supposed to be outraged?"

Posted by: reality at January 31, 2008 4:21 PM


Reality 4:21, the article also states:

"Last week, on a window near the gate of the closed plant was a notice from the Shanghai Food and Drug Administration, dated Sept. 8, accusing the plant of "producing substandard medicine that poses major risks of causing serious harm to human health." It identified a company official, Gu Yaoming, as the "person responsible" for the plant.

Records show Gu also met with the U.S. food and drug inspectors last May as part of the routine inspection of the plant that makes RU-486.

Reached by telephone, Gu declined to describe his role at the two plants. "I cannot answer your questions," he said."

Posted by: Janet at January 31, 2008 8:35 PM


Maybe this is a dumb question, but can anyone explain (in simple terms) the difference between RU 486 and Plan B?
I've never understood the difference. Thanks!

Posted by: Janet at January 31, 2008 8:44 PM


Janet, Plan B is a higher dose of the same hormones used in standard monthly birth-control pills.

RU-486 is a different compound, which interacts with a different receptor.

Having said that, I should add that RU-486 can also be used as a morning-after pill (so can methotrexate).

Posted by: SoMG at January 31, 2008 8:51 PM


SoMG,
You participated in abortions, would you abort a 25 week old unborn child? Like Tiller?

Posted by: jasper at January 31, 2008 9:12 PM


Crazy stuff. What is up with China's imports these days? My poor grandma's doggie died a while back. My mom and I think it was from the food, it was the same kind, because the day before she was bounding around and playing. We don't have the heart to tell her :/

Posted by: prettyinpink at January 31, 2008 11:38 PM


Doesn't RU-666 kill woman babies?

Posted by: HisMan at February 1, 2008 1:29 AM


Jasper, no I wouldn't, that's for a select few who do it all the time.

Posted by: SoMG at February 1, 2008 1:33 AM


Hear that Doug?

Jasper, no I wouldn't, that's for a select few who do it all the time.
Posted by: SoMG at February 1, 2008 1:33 AM

As in NOT rare...

SoMG,

What if you were qualified to do abortions after 25 weeks? I'm pretty sure Jasper was asking if morally you would be okay with it? Not if you would actually do it?

Of course, we know the answer to that, don't we?


Posted by: mk at February 1, 2008 6:22 AM


Janet:
Emergency contraception (EC) is also called the morning-after pill (MAP) and by its medical name levonorgestrel. EC is available in the United States under the brand name Plan B. It is an oral medication that can be taken after unprotected sex or contraceptive failure in order to prevent a pregnancy from occurring. Plan B consists of 2 pills containing the same hormone (0.75 mg of levonorgestrel). The first pill is taken by mouth as soon as possible after intercourse (up to 72 hours after). The second pill should be taken by mouth 12 hours following the first pill.

Basically it's a high dose of hormonal contraception or "The Pill"

Does EC cause an abortion? Emergency contraception does not cause an abortion. (It is not the same as the abortion pill, RU-486.) For an abortion to take place, the embryo must first be implanted into the uterine lining. If this has already occurred, EC will have no effect on the developing embryo or fetus. If you take Plan B accidentally while you are pregnant or if it does not work and you become pregnant, it is not likely to cause any harm to you or the baby.

Can EC stop the implantation of a developing embryo? Some studies have raised a concern that emergency contraception might stop an embryo from implanting into the wall of the uterus by either (1) reducing the quality of the uterine lining or (2) by interfering with the corpus luteal cyst, causing it to produce decreased progesterone and therefore impacting the uterine lining. Most studies disprove these actions, so this action should not be relied on to prevent a pregnancy. However, these studies cannot be absolutely verified, and we may never know the truth. If this were an action of EC, an embryo that might normally implant into the uterine lining would not have a chance to do so and would instead be lost during your period. After learning this information, it will be up to you to decide whether or not this possibility is important enough to avoid use of EC. Some women feel strongly that any medication that might impact a developing human is not okay to take. These women would want to avoid using EC. Other women, after learning the risks and possibilities, might decide that it is okay to take. Use your own belief system to decide for yourself.

Source:
A Choice to Live With
As visited on 2-1-08
http://www.choicetolivewith.com/PregnancyTopics/EC.html

Posted by: Rachael at February 1, 2008 6:42 AM



I can remember when the morning sickness drug thalidiomide had a "good track record" in Europe, until it was discovered to cause fetal deformaties in the USA and Europe. I remember
when the drug DES was used to "prevent" miscarriage(until it dawned on the medical geniuses that one cannot prevent early miscarriage) that resulted in horrendous reproductive system cancers in the children of the mothers who took it.
RU486 was fast tracked for political reasons by the Clinton administration, a man who has always held women in such high esteem.

Will women never learn from the bitter lessons of the past to be highly skeptical of all "safe" drugs specifically designed for them?

Posted by: Mary at February 1, 2008 8:16 AM


MK: :Hear that Doug?"

Jasper, no I wouldn't, that's for a select few who do it all the time.

"As in NOT rare..."

Nope, it's the "few" part that makes it rare. There are exceedingly few abortions at 25 weeks, compared to abortions as a whole, even without excluding therapeutic ones.

Posted by: Doug at February 1, 2008 8:30 AM


I can remember when the morning sickness drug thalidiomide had a "good track record" in Europe, until it was discovered to cause fetal deformaties in the USA and Europe. I remember.

Mary, good point there. I think whether it's drugs, cars, or new models of just about anything, it often pays to wait a while and see if problems crop up. Let the bugs get worked out....

Doug

Posted by: Doug at February 1, 2008 8:32 AM


Doug,

Thank you. It troubles me when people blindly accept what they are told concerning the "need" for and "safety" of drugs. Women and their children have paid an especially terrible price in the past with Thalidiomide and DES and what is more troubling, it appears no lessons have been learned. Women again blindly accept the "safety" of a drug designed just for them, a drug fast tracked for political reasons.

Posted by: Mary at February 1, 2008 8:46 AM


Mary-

Heard it was basically one woman who protested the sale of thalidiomide in the U.S. that brought it to a standstill. She was later awarded a medal by the president.

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 1, 2008 10:52 AM


Just something I noticed here :

> The NYT reports:

> "Because of opposition from the anti-abortion movement, the F.D.A. has never publicly identified the maker of the abortion pill for the American market."

If this is such a good thing, why won't the companies involved in it stand up for it and be proud ? Similar to the construction companies, Planned Parenthood, etc. that do things in the dark and then tell you about it later.

This whole argument of (paraphrased) "we did it in secret because we didn't want our opponents to know about it" (especially for public and social issues), smacks of the end justifying the means and situational ethics. Under those rules, you could justify anything so long is it fits your personal belief system.

It just struck me that once again, the NYT (and perhaps the FDA ?) is blaming pro-lifers for the incompetence of the makers of RU-486. What a twisted way of putting things.

This poison is there because the FDA let it get there. End of story.

Posted by: Frank at February 1, 2008 1:48 PM


PIP 10:52am

How interesting. I vaguely remember the situation but I do recall how children were being born with severe deformities, including some in the US. I believe thalidiomide got in the US by people who had travelled to Europe or visiting Europeans. Both Thalidiomide and DES were "safe" drugs that went tragically wrong.

Posted by: Mary at February 1, 2008 2:09 PM


Frank,

Good points. These people act like PL people will descend on them with torches and machetes.
The majority of the American people support abortion, right? So why the secrecy?
RU486 is here with the blessing of the FDA, which fast tracked it for political reasons. Also, don't the American people have a right to know who is producing a drug, what conditions it is produced under, and what kind of safety regulations are in force? If a company wants to produce a certain drug, then it should be prepared to answer to the American public. Since when does the FDA concern itself with covering for some drug producer?
It concerns me to see history possibly repeating itself. Women ingesting drugs without question, that they blindly accept as being "safe", with no regard to the possible harm to themselves or any future children they may have.

Posted by: Mary at February 1, 2008 2:41 PM


Mary,

Yes, that is what I heard too, which is what got her such an award. "It's perfectly safe" got a new meaning after that.

It's like that episode in Sex and the City where Steve wants to undergo an experimental prosthetic testicle treatment. Miranda says "no." The doctor goes "it's perfectly safe." And Miranda says, "that's what they said about the Ford Pinto. Do you want that next to your balls?"

Posted by: prettyinpink at February 1, 2008 2:57 PM


Pip,
Now that was funny! Ah...the Ford Pinto....

Posted by: Carla at February 1, 2008 9:21 PM


Frank, RU-486 is not a poison, it has no direct effect on the unborn. Its direct effect is only on the woman's body.

Methotrexate is more like a poison.

Posted by: SoMG at February 1, 2008 10:17 PM


Anyway, I think we should re-think the whole idea of locating the parmaceutical manufacturing industry in China. China makes most of the Vitamin C in the world.

Posted by: SoMG at February 1, 2008 10:23 PM


SOMG,

Thalidiomide and DES were not regarded as poisons either. Do you think women took these drugs because they had a desire to harm their children? No, they took them in good faith because they were assured they were "safe".
No direct effect on the unborn? Uh, SOMG, it kills the unborn, that's its purpose.
Direct effect on the woman's body? Do we know for absolute certain there are no long term consequences to it use? Will women again pay a price, like they did with thalidiomide and DES?

Posted by: Mary at February 2, 2008 8:20 AM


And TxRed I think the problem is that women are so desperately trying to be like men, instead of promoting and lauding our femininity (even the part which includes having babies) that we will abort our babies, take poisonous drugs that hurt our bodies, mutilate ourselves (as in sterilization), what ever it takes to be free. But the "freedom" is an illusion.

Posted by: Patricia at January 31, 2008 4:09 PM
**************************
Babies arent aborted. And whining that the only way women can 'laud their femininty' is by giving birth is archaic and moronic. What is an illusion is that there has to be something 'wrong' with a woman who knows she doesnt want to continue a pregnancy. Wanting to be 'like men' is just one more cretinous invention of the antichoice side.

Posted by: TexasRed at February 2, 2008 10:15 AM


"Wanting to be 'like men' is just one more cretinous invention of the antichoice side."

Posted by: TexasRed at February 2, 2008 10:15 AM

Could we say perhaps some just hate being women?

Posted by: Janet at February 2, 2008 11:40 AM



SOMG,

Thalidiomide and DES were not regarded as poisons either. Do you think women took these drugs because they had a desire to harm their children? No, they took them in good faith because they were assured they were "safe".
No direct effect on the unborn? Uh, SOMG, it kills the unborn, that's its purpose.
Direct effect on the woman's body? Do we know for absolute certain there are no long term consequences to it use? Will women again pay a price, like they did with thalidiomide and DES?

Posted by: Mary at February 2, 2008 8:20 AM
............................................

Mary, do you believe that women were better off before medicine took an interest in their women parts and gestation?

Posted by: Sally at February 3, 2008 6:23 PM


Sally 8:20PM

All I know is that when doctors took over delivery from the midwives, the maternal death rate skyrocketed, largely due to the fact that they carried disease and infection with them from the autopsy chambers into the maternity wards. Something the midwives never did. It went down when doctors accepted the fact that they carried germs and started washing their hands before attending deliveries. In the meantime they drove the doctor who suggested they wash their hands to an insane asylum.
Since then delivering women have been shaved, drugged, strapped down, isolated from family members, and cut.

Good point Sally. One really has to wonder.

Posted by: Mary at February 3, 2008 6:39 PM


Sally,

The time should say 6:23PM, not 8:20PM

Posted by: Mary at February 3, 2008 6:41 PM


I think the whole HPV vaccine is a great example of companies looking for a way to make kabillions of money off of the health and lives of women.

I just saw Dr. Christine Northrup on Oprah not too long ago and she said she would not recommend the HPV vaccine. It has not been tested long enough to even know the long term effects on women. She pointed out that there have already deaths related to this vaccine.
They say womens' wombs are a gold mine.


Posted by: Sandy at February 3, 2008 7:15 PM



Sandy,

I agree. I remember the rush for the swine flu vaccine in the mid 1970s. Several people developed Guillan-Barre Syndrome, a serious neurological disorder that one may or may not recover from, that was caused by the vaccine. I'll take my chances with swine flu, which turned out to be a false alarm.
I am equally skeptical of Gardisil and I think the public is again acting like a bunch of sheep.
We women especially have paid a terrible price and should by now know to be highly skeptical of any drug declared "safe".

Posted by: Mary at February 3, 2008 7:23 PM


Mary,

Dr. Northrup also explained better than I have ever heard about how the HPVs assoicated with cervical cancer typically attack young women with a compromised (sp?) immune system. If I remember correctly, she said young healthy women should not even need this vaccine. And to think that it is being given to girls as young as 12.

I had a friend who's mother took DES. She was in constant fear of cancer and had to be routinely checked. Her mother always carried the guilt for it.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 3, 2008 10:04 PM