At this point Angie Jackson decides to live tweet her RU-486 abortion. Following is Angie's rationale, via YouTube. Note she says the sonogram was not to ascertain her baby's gestational age but "the state of my pregnancy." Hadn't heard those particular word hoops before.
Also note it is precisely why Angie denies she's aborting publicly that she is.... "not for some publicity stunt, or attention, or to justify this to myself." Don't need a psych degree to analyze that one....
Having the perspective of hindsight several days later, we now know Angie's RU-486 abortion was not the breeze she thought it would be when she began live-tweeting her experience. More on that in Part IV. Here she tweets this will be a "4 hour bleed-out" (Feb 19, 7:30p). What kind of teaching did she not get at Planned Parenthood? WARNING: vulgarity...
Wow, she told her child, "Mommy [is] very sick with something called a fetus."
So sad.Posted by: Ed at February 24, 2010 8:13 AM
That is so incredibly messed up that she would tell her child she is sick with something called a "fetus" and then go for an abortion. When that child is old enough he is going to realize that he too was a "fetus" making mommy sick and that the child she aborted was his brother or sister. Women are insane if they think children aren't affected and deeply scarred by this. I feel sorry for that poor kid.Posted by: Karen at February 24, 2010 8:23 AM
More stunning evidence that humans are stupid.
This womans 'problem' is not her hormones, or her chromosomes, but her DNA.
She is umistakably 'human'.
She is shaking an angry fist and screaming at the GOD she hates, "Why has thou made me thus?!?!"
yor bro kenPosted by: kbhvac at February 24, 2010 8:28 AM
Looks like Angie didn't ask the abortionist why they do the ultrasound. (Or she's faking it.)
If she had asked, she would have been told they need to determine uterine lining thickness and current child development.
Misoprostol (Cytotec by Pfizer) can actually rupture the uterus in later stages of pregnancy.
It's critical to know exactly how far along the developing baby is. Misoprostol is not indicated for abortion - it's actually a liver medication, so it's use to expel the dead embryo is a considered an "off-label" use.
The actual label has a severe warning not to provide this to pregnant women past the 8th week.Posted by: Chris Arsenault at February 24, 2010 8:39 AM
She doesn't think celibacy is healthy and she doesn't choose it at this time. Celibacy means "unmarried" so that is exactly what she is at this time. I think she means "chastity."
Funny, not choosing chastity doesn't seem to have helped her health any.Posted by: Kelly at February 24, 2010 8:45 AM
I still think it's possible this could be a pub-stunt. The tweets seem too scripted.Posted by: psalm at February 24, 2010 8:45 AM
Good heavens. That kid is going to be really... messed up! I wonder if he'll wonder (when he's old enough to process this more) if his mother considered HIM an illness when he was still a fetus. Or at any other point in his development, for that matter.Posted by: army_wife at February 24, 2010 8:47 AM
Anyone else wondering, if abortion is NOT shameful, NOT killing a child, and there is nothing wrong with it, why the constant and repeated assertions that she is doing this because her life is in danger from a pregnancy? Using her reasoning, shouldn't "I just don't want the thing" be reason enough for an abortion? Why do so many women try to make themselves into one of the "hard cases"? I mean, if there's nothing wrong with it.....Posted by: Rachel at February 24, 2010 8:58 AM
Yeah, Rachel. I pointed that out to her, and she went ballistic. Logic hurts. ;_;Posted by: xalisae at February 24, 2010 9:13 AM
I don't really care if it's a publicity stunt at this point. If it is, I'm just going to counter-post with my very real and actual story of my daughter who at one time was considered a "choice". If they're going to use this "to de-stigmatize and demystify abortion/make it more acceptable", I'm going to use it as a platform to show them and others how wrong they are.Posted by: xalisae at February 24, 2010 9:17 AM
I don't want to watch anymore. This is feeling creepy. She surely is doing this for attention and is very sick. It is like that guy that said he was commiting suicide online and so many tuned in to watch him die. I am afraid all this attention is playing into her sick mind.Posted by: Susie(prolifeintn.blogspot.com) at February 24, 2010 9:18 AM
Why is she keeping the pill bottle? weird. I have had surgery and I didn't keep any souvenirs from them. The only thing I ever kept hospital/surgical wise was the bracelet from the hospital when I had my son.
is she keeping the pill bottle as her last link to her dead child?Posted by: Sydney M. at February 24, 2010 9:29 AM
The fact that this is her idea of a "positive story" speaks volumes.Posted by: Marauder at February 24, 2010 9:31 AM
Kelly, 'celibacy' has a secondary meaning of sexual abstinence.Posted by: Michele at February 24, 2010 9:46 AM
I have found it difficult and heartbreaking to read this girl's comments. Through a ministry in our church, and even in my own family, I have met so many just like her. She wants to be known and loved. Isn't that the very desire God placed in us?
The girls I encountered were often depressed and unable to get their lives together. They would do and say anything for attention. Through their outlandish actions, they were pleading for help from anyone, unable to face one more day living in the utter chaos that they found themselves in.
I believe strongly in personal accountability, but also we have to love and educate those who were not taught that. People will never see the love of Jesus if it is not seen through us and their hearts will never change.
I appreciate greatly the use of medical proof to back up the arguments used by so many in the comments. Our fight is not only spiritual but scientific, and humanitarian.
From what I have seen in my personal experience, abortion is often an issue that grows out of a lack of self-worth. A woman who does not understand her worth will settle for a 'man' (I use that word loosely) who demeans her and uses her. A family member of mine has bounced around from man to man to man just to have a place to live. She feels nothing for them, she just can't be alone. A woman (and all the more increasingly-adolescent girls) who does not understand her worth will give into the sexual advances of men so she can feel wanted and worthwhile, if only for a moment. A woman who thinks she's nothing cannot fathom the ability to be a good mother or juggle college and a child or the many other circumstances that women face each day and are often victorious over. It is the same sense of worthlessness that is past on to the child in the womb, and just as so many people in the woman's life tell her she is worthless, they then began to tell her that her child is worthless.
As relieved as I am to see abortion crumble through laws and legislature, I pray more for abortion to end because of changing hearts. Father God, that women would see their worth through Your eyes and that You would turn their hearts toward their children.
Gregg Cunningham does a magnificent job totally embarassing a pro-death university professor over at his blog.
In my opinion, when it comes to verbally ripping someone, Gregg's the best, followed closely by Jill and our own X-girl, Xalisae.Posted by: Ed at February 24, 2010 9:53 AM
Sorry about the double post, my computer keeps saying its not posting.Posted by: Heather M at February 24, 2010 9:58 AM
Ooooo, Ed...I think I might bookmark that and read it regularly. Mmmmmm....delicious carebear tears...I must drink them...they sustain me...^_^Posted by: xalisae at February 24, 2010 10:02 AM
I have followed this whole sagga from the beginning. I was watching Angie's tweets last weekend, but your following up on this is really helpful to see what is happening here.
My opinion - which is of little value - is that she is actually hurt by the fact she had this abortion. Why else would she be so sad to be a planned parenthood alone? Why would that have mattered if this was really no big deal. I believe Angie is so affected by this that she is craving the approval from those in the pro-abortion camp, which is why she tweeted all about it.
I wonder if her child later on in life when she explains exactly how her fetus made her very sick will ask her why she didn't abort him seeing her pregnancy with him was so bad.Posted by: Jill at February 24, 2010 10:05 AM
Heather, beautiful comment. Amen.Posted by: Jill Stanek at February 24, 2010 10:07 AM
She is upset that her boyfriend couldn't be at the clinic with her...to me that shows that she is already carrying guilt and is unsure of her decision. Otherwise why would she care?
Also- the fact that she tells her child that she is sick with a fetus is DISGUSTING!
She might not feel regret right now (I think she does) but she will for sure at some point in her life.Posted by: Mandy at February 24, 2010 10:08 AM
Pro-aborts oppose 24 hr. waiting periods because they say it inconveniences women by making them go back to the clinic more than once, but seems like you have to go there at least two times for a chemical abortion . . .
In my line of work, I see everything -- recently a man threw his three month old daughter off a bridge to "get back" at the child's mother -- so I'm not shocked. A bit saddened, but not shcoked.Posted by: Phillymiss at February 24, 2010 10:15 AM
So, how is it that all of you people know antitheistangie better than she knows herself? Do you really know her personally? Or do you have some kind of superiority complex? Your logic: "I don't care if she says that she doesn't regret her abortion, I know she does even though I've NEVER met her and NEVER spoken to her."
Seriously, get over yourselves. You people must think that you're God.Posted by: ProChoiceGal at February 24, 2010 10:22 AM
I love the part of the video where she wishes everyone "a godless day." Misery loves company. Heather nailed it in her post above.
In bemoaning her boyfriend's absence, I think we see the true reason for the abortion, which has little if anything to do with her medical condition. I wouldn't be surprised if in ten years this poor soul realizes that this was a revenge killing for a father who was less than a man to her.
Returning to the godless day salutation, we have on two minutes of video a great case study on the effects of God's absence in a human's life. Icy coldness. Several Christian mystics have written visions of Hell as a place devoid of fire and brimstone. They describe it as ice cold, a place of isolation and eternal despair. The total absence of love and love's warmth.
There was a glimmer of hope in the video, as she wants to be present for her little boy as he grows. The tragedy is that she lacks an appreciation of how little she has to offer that child as he grows. Self, absent God's love, collapses into narcissism.
Not much of a gift to one's child.Posted by: Gerard Nadal at February 24, 2010 10:45 AM
When did you have your abortion?
If abortion is just like a root canal or pulling a hangnail then why not tweet on and on and on about those procedures as well? If there is no shame in getting a tooth pulled then why the constant need to say I AM NOT ASHAMED of my abortion? Hmmmm.
Shame comes with abortion. Nobody gives it to you or wishes it on you or forces you to feel shame over the killing of your own child. It is one of the many emotional bags you get to carry after abortion until you place it at the foot of The Cross.Posted by: carla at February 24, 2010 11:04 AM
X, you're funny girl.
Oops, I forgot to mention Gerard in my "Beat Down Hall of Fame". How could I forget the time the one pro-abort tried to play the race card with Dr. Nadal? It was surgical.
All kidding aside, we are compelled at times to respond in such ways to, in no uncertain terms, set the record straight. The truth must be clearly stated and established. However, I agree, our real mission is more about what Heather articulated. People are hurting. Women find themselves in very difficult situations. And men need to be challenged to grow up and take care of their ladies and any children they create, at least until they can be placed with a loving couple for adoption.Posted by: Ed at February 24, 2010 11:07 AM
You are one of Heaven's most beautiful lights. Keep showing them the way Home.
GerryPosted by: Gerard Nadal at February 24, 2010 11:10 AM
4 years ago today I found out I was pregnant with my son. I was 13 days pregnant and very scared (they thought it was tubal). I was EXCITED because I always wanted to be a mom. I remember thinking "I can't believe there is a baby inside of ME! I can't believe my baby is growing RIGHT NOW! Man, I wish I'd had more time to financially prepare for parenthood. How are we going to afford this? We're gonna have to move..."
It was scary, uncertain, and wonderful all at once. I called my mother-in-law who called my father-in-law who called me and said "I heard we're gonna have a little baby in our family. This is a gift from God. Don't worry. We're family. Whatever you two (my husband and I) need we will help you. It will all work out."
Thank God for family that is loving and supportive. American families don't stick together like they used to...this is one of the problems that leads to abortion...the breakdown of the American family. The sexual revolution helped facilitate that.
I think if Angie's "man" had stepped up and said "I love you and I love our baby" I don't think her outlook would have been so bleak. She is a mom already. She knows that she could love this baby thats why she didn't want to see an ultrasound and bond.
I was watching 16 & Pregnant on MTV. Anyone ever watch that? In the new season this young pregnant girl was told by her boyfriend to get an abortion. When she wouldn't he left her. Abortion is all about that "ME, ME ME" mentality.Posted by: Sydney M. at February 24, 2010 11:14 AM
What is the ministry in your church to young women called? It sounds wonderful. I'd love to know more about it.
Very, very sad. I keep thinking about the ladies who liveblog/tweet their labors and how completely different it all is. No hatred, no political point scoring...
I'll pray for her.Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2010 11:19 AM
Notice too that at one point she says (and it's painful for me to type her words having just suffered my fourth miscarriage)'the thing is already dead'. Well...if she thinks 'it' is already dead, she would have to admit to knowing that he/she was ALIVE and a LIVING BEING already. Can't be dead unless you were LIVING, now can you?Posted by: Pamela at February 24, 2010 11:32 AM
Angie is an example of the sexually liberated woman who has taken the basic principles of the pro abortion movement and applied them to herself. The first principle is that the creature in her womb is either not alive or valueless if he/she is alive. So why have any qualms about aborting it? Principle 2 is that prohibitions on abortion are due to male desire to control women, which modern enlightened women must now reject. Hence her statement "I don't want people to act like something legal and healthy and often smart is shameful".
Principle 3 is that prohibitions against sexual promiscuity are repressive social taboos that need to be abandoned. Hence her claim that "celibacy" (she must mean chastity) is not healthy, an assertion which medical science does not sustain. Chastity has no known affect on one's health, physical or mental.
In short, she is just what the social engineers would want the "modern", "liberated" woman to be. It's a grim prospect. As a woman, I recoil at it. It leads to only one conclusion: embracing the pro abortion ethic is both personally and socially destructive.
So sorry for the loss of your precious children, Pamela!!!! HUGS HUGS HUGS. It is sad when you know that unborn children are precious and you have gone through such grieving to read such calloused words.Posted by: Sydney M. at February 24, 2010 11:36 AM
Angie Jackson is a fine example of the "women" that Planned Parenthood produces. Narcissistic murderers who are not content to keep their horrifying deeds to themselves. What is more nightmarish than a mother poisoning her child with a smile as she tells others that she wants to demystify her crime?
Heather...we need more churches like yours!
My church has a prison ministry. They go to the large county prison every week to meet with the prisoners and lead them to Christ or counsel them.
So many lost souls, angry, hurting...SEARCHING. When offered the unconditional love of Christ many jump at it. There are drug addicts, sex offenders, murderers, burglars...and even post-abortive men and women (we have a women's ministry too!)
Christ came to seek and to save those that are lost. I try never to lose sight of that and get too comfortable in my little life.Posted by: Sydney M. at February 24, 2010 11:42 AM
Did she say in the end, "Have a great and godless day"? I think that may be part of the problem. A baby is created in the image of God. I can only pray that someday this woman sees that truth and that, in the meantime, she does not lead too many women astray.Posted by: Standing on Truth at February 24, 2010 11:51 AM
Wow Heather, God bless you and your great church.
The scriptures are clear about the rewards He stores up for those that serve as zealously as you guys. But I realize that's not why you do it. You do it because you love Him, and you love to see lives changed - that's the real reward, right there.
I just joined a start-up church in my area. I hope we develop the same commitment and compassion you guys have toward those that need it most.Posted by: Ed at February 24, 2010 11:54 AM
Is she "demystifying it" like she says or is she "desensitizing us" to the fact that abortion takes a life? This is incredibly sad and destructive rationale.Posted by: Standing on Truth at February 24, 2010 11:58 AM
I have had three beautiful babies. Because I chose to have them, because I wanted them and it was the right thing for me to do. It was my choice.
I am grateful to never have been in a position where I may have had to seriously consider ending a pregnancy but I don't judge those who have or do.
If a woman wants to make a different choice then that is up to her. It isn't anyone's business but her own, I wouldn't stop her but I would make sure that she knew what she was doing.
This woman obviously knows what she is doing. She isn't hurting anyone (bedsides maybe her son - even I think sick with a foetus is a twisted thing to tell a little kid).
It is about the individual's right to choose. I made the choice that was right for me and I would never change it, I love my kids and being a mom is right for me - many women who make the choice not to go through with their pregnancies feel that their choice was just as right for them.
I don't understand how personal choice is anyone's business but the person making it.
Posted by: ProChoiceGal at February 24, 2010 10:22 AM
The reason we can speak of her has to do with a repeating pattern we see over and over again in abortive/post-abortive/promiscuous women and deadbeat dads/missing fathers.
You can do a little research on your own and find that predatory men understand those women who don't have protective fathers are 3-4 times more vulnerable than others - it's a generally easy score with few repercussions.
There's a denial by feminists that what they've promoted has lead to a decline in respect for women (achieving the opposite of their intent) but the evidence is becoming overwhelming.
Angie's tweets have a misandrystic bent.
BTW - Angie appears to be getting her wish re: being a cause celeb. She's now up on Instapundit and also The Frisky (Turner's semi, soft porn blog offering).Posted by: Chris Arsenault at February 24, 2010 12:06 PM
Happy Momma...why is it sick and twisted to tell your child that you're sick with a fetus?
Its just a fetus right? Totally someone's personal choice if they want to kill it...the fetus is NOT a person, right? Then why is it twisted tell your kid your sick with one?Posted by: Sydney M. at February 24, 2010 12:07 PM
I don't think it was an honest thing to tell him. If she really wanted him to know then she should have told him the truth. I don't like it when people do that to kids.
Also I don't have any thoughts on what other people do with their bodies. Abortion is not a choice I would make for myself but if others choose that road for themselves then that is up to them.
I can't see why people get so worked up about this issue. If you would never do it, and it obviously hasn't been done to you (otherwise you wouldn't be here) then you don't need to worry about it.Posted by: Happy Momma at February 24, 2010 12:15 PM
How sad!Posted by: Robyn at February 24, 2010 12:18 PM
The right to choose comes before a baby is created. Reproductive rights include having sex or not having sex and using contraceptives or not. Eliminating the consequence of your choice- in this case, that would be a human- should never be an option. If you choose to become drunk, you do not also have a right to drive. Pregnancy is a result of reproductive choice, just as impaired vision and judgement are results of drinking excessively.
Why is it that we expect people to take responsibility for their actions except when it involves sex?Posted by: Heather M at February 24, 2010 12:23 PM
Pamela, I'm so sorry for your loss. *hugs*
Happy Momma says "she's not hurting anyone"
Yeah...except for the child that she killed.
I used to have a similar view as you. "I wouldn't choose abortion, but I can't tell anyone else how to live."
Then I asked myself *why* I wouldn't choose abortion. I realized that it was because abortion kills a living human being, and I could never do such a thing. I then had to ask myself if I should still support other people killing living human beings. I could not then, and can not now, think of any reason to do so.
You ask why we get so worked up about an issue that doesn't directly affect us. I can't speak for everyone here, but I can say for myself it is because I feel I must stop the slaughter of 4000 children a day. Would you ask a white, non-slave owner why he was bothered by slavery? It's the same prinicple. I care because other people are suffering injustice.
I hope that helps you understand a bit better where we are coming from. I think most of us probably started where you are right now.Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2010 12:28 PM
When did your 3 fetus' become your children?
Whose arms, legs, feet, hands, head and belly were those in the ultrasound? Yours?
Do not worry your pretty little head about abortion. 1 in 4 women have had them and suffer for years with regret. Millions of sons, daughters, nieces and nephews are not here. Do not fret. We will do the hard work to change hearts and minds and do everything we can to fight for the lives of the unborn. We will continue to speak out for those who cannot speak for themselves.
Maybe you should take a nap.Posted by: carla at February 24, 2010 12:29 PM
I can't bear to read this nonsense of hers, therefore I probably shouldn't be commenting.
I pray that those reading her story, contemplating abortion, will have a change of heart and the courage to give their baby a chance at life. There are people who care and will help! God bless.Posted by: Janet at February 24, 2010 12:41 PM
"I can't see why people get so worked up about this issue. If you would never do it, and it obviously hasn't been done to you (otherwise you wouldn't be here) then you don't need to worry about it."
- Happy Momma
The same thing can be said about infanticide. Would you get worked up about infanticide? Have you ever really thought through the validity of your "personally opposed but..." mentality?
Tell you what, if you would get worked up about the issue of infanticide as most sane people would, explain to me why you or I or other pro-lifers shouldn't get worked up over the issue of abortion?Posted by: psalm at February 24, 2010 12:44 PM
Why is it that pro-abortion people (read: "Happy Momma") seem to make absolutely no effort to understand where we're coming from? If they thought about it for just two short seconds, they would know why we are worried about other people's abortions -- because we believe they are taking a HUMAN LIFE. Telling pro-lifers to stop worrying about other people's "choices" concerning their unborn babies is the same thing, to us, as saying that we should not worry about what people do to their born children, either. What do we care if someone wants to abuse or murder their infant or toddler? An unborn baby is just as much a HUMAN PERSON, to us, as is a born baby. It is not the woman's body. It's a separate entity with its own DNA--every physical characteristic already determined--and usually a beating heart. What is it about this that abortion supporters don't seem to understand?Posted by: Mary at February 24, 2010 12:50 PM
"It is about the individual's right to choose. I made the choice that was right for me and I would never change it, I love my kids and being a mom is right for me - many women who make the choice not to go through with their pregnancies feel that their choice was just as right for them."
"I don't understand how personal choice is anyone's business but the person making it."
Posted by: Happy Momma at February 24, 2010 12:02 PM
You're taking the easy way out by calling abortion a choice. No moral implications for you to deal with in your head. Wait until your children tell you they are aborting your grandchild. Or they may not tell you, you've taught them that it's their own choice after all. How will you feel if you find out??
I'd be heartbroken. You wouldn't tell your girlfriend that burglarizing her neighbor's house is "her choice", so how in the world can you tell her that killing her child is "her choice"? For get the part of abortion being legal, for the moment.
very lost and very sad...
praying for her
"Not judging" is only a good thing when you're not judging people themselves. Judging actions is part of being a normal human being. That's why we have consciences and laws. There's a difference between saying "Angie is a sinner who's going to hell" and "Angie is doing something heartbreakingly sad that's not only killing her unborn child, but is damaging her and her family." I don't see anyone condemning Angie, just pointing out the horrible consequences of her actions.
You would never look at someone who killed their grandparents and say, "It is about the individual's right to choose. I made the choice that was right for me and I would never change it, I love my grandparents and being a grandchild is right for me - many people who make the choice not to be grandchildren feel that their choice was just as right for them." And being a grandchild is truly involuntary. Being a mother, at least 99% of the time, is not involuntary. Actions have consequences. If somebody never wants to be a parent ever, they should have themselves sterilized, and if they are unable or unwilling to be parents at the moment, they should either not have any form of sex that leads to procreation or else use contraception with the understanding that they're taking the risk of parenthood.Posted by: Marauder at February 24, 2010 1:11 PM
She has "health issues". Exactly what are they? She's telling the world all the other gory details so why not her "health issues"? Can these "health issues" be managed by a specialist?
If she knew another pregnancy could be risky, why didn't she have a tubal ligation? Is she planning one after this abortion?Posted by: Mary at February 24, 2010 3:09 PM
Seems to me if Angie had any interest in broadening our understanding of the experience, she would talk more about the actual experience and less about the politics about it.
You have to wade through pages and pages of miscellaneous tweets like, "People think they can be complete douchenozzles to me on the internet but then say "we're praying" & it's all okay. #livetweetingabortion" and "@girlphilosopher thank you! You're a great abortion buddy http://bit.ly/cXml9e #livetweetingabortion" in order to find the few and far between tweets regarding the actual abortion process. Seems to me she's should change her tag from #livetweetingabortion to #livetweetingopinions
If miss Jackson had any interest in honestly spreading information and dispelling misinformation, there would be a lot more tweets about what she was experiencing and fewer tweets about what everyone else had to say. Also, it seems like there would be videos posted with her throughout the abortion experience.
But the reality is, it isn't easy. It's painful, long, and unpleasant.
Angie's constant tweeting seems to be born from her guilt, fear, and confusion about what she's done. Her tweets clearly indicate that she feels the need for a *bad guy* and will recognize that need in anti-abortion advocates as well as in her BF, who can't do anything right from what I've read.Posted by: maryrose at February 24, 2010 4:31 PM
I wish I could understand why people like Angie think the world wants to hear of their abortions, affairs, divorces, marital problems, infidelities, drug addictions, alcoholism, depression,eating disorders and every other human aberration.
Angie, keep it to yourself. The world isn't a better place because you "shared" your experience plus it doesn't show a lot of class on your part.Posted by: Mary at February 24, 2010 4:51 PM
I really think that depends on how the individual approaches the subject. Angie's morbid celebration over her abortion is the sort of unhealthy approach that really shows a lack of class and maturity. However, Carla's approach, for example, is absolutely monumental in making necessary changes in our social approach towards things like abortion. Recognizing the repercussions of bad decisions is important to affecting change.Posted by: maryrose at February 24, 2010 5:02 PM
Good point. I completely agree. For the record, no one respects and likes Carla more than I do.
To me, what Angie is doing is the equivalent of what Barbara Walters did in her book where she discusses her affair with a married senator. Totally tacky and showing absolutely no class. The man is dead, he has a family. Show a little class lady and shut up.
Its one thing to discuss a mistake in your life that you hope to spare others from, and quite another to share information with the public that amounts to nothing more than sharing information with the public.Posted by: Mary at February 24, 2010 5:25 PM
This woman's soul is lost and twisted. How anyone can tweet about their pride in 'choosing' to abort their child for 'medical reasons' is beyond me. It has to be for attention, just what medical reasons?? Like someone said above, why not explain in detail more about that reason since she can explain in detail her choice to abort and tell her son she is sick because she has a fetus inside her.
The only sick person is her. Reading her tweets sounds like the diary of a 'mad woman'. She does not appear to value life,except maybe her own selfish life she claims to be saving for her son to have a mother. I wonder if her son is from the same BF? Or was she in a healthier relationship at the time she chose to keep him? Or is this the same guy, who does not value her enough to marry her and raise their children together??
My thoughts and prayers go out to women contemplating abortion and thinking that it is a 'choice'. They had their choice when they chose to have unprotected sex or sex out of wedlock. It's a travesty the innocent babies pay the price for this irresponsible behavior. If she knew she had a medical condition,why did she risk her 'life' and her pregnancy??
It sounds to me like she seeks attention and will take any negative attention she gets along with the positive, in order to justify her 'choice' and live guilt free. But, we know the truth...and God knows the truth and I'm sure he has a special place for those who kill their own babies as if they are just removing a hang nail.
All one can do is pray to end abortions and pray other women wake up to what it really is before it's too late for another innocent life. I also pray any woman contemplating this 'choice' will find how cold hearted &Godless Angie is and see how wrong it is.Posted by: Patty at February 24, 2010 5:45 PM
Agreed! She clearly cares about little more than having other people comment on her personal life. Sad.Posted by: maryrose at February 24, 2010 6:38 PM
Her son is from her first relationship. She used to be married. I don't know why she isn't any longer (mmmhmmm...whyever would anyone give up a catch like this?!), but the guy she's with now is, if memory serves, about 10 years older and doesn't want any children. He paid for the abortion. I think that's another warning sign. If BF tells you "Get an abortion." and tosses you the money, you can either be upset about him not wanting the child you've made together, or you can choke it down, go into denial-mode, and act like it was all your idea in the first place. They say a lot of women who go in for abortions get pregnant on purpose to try and wrangle a non-committal guy or test the bounds of a long-term yet non-devoted relationship.
At this point, I just feel sorry for all of them. They value human life, and the life of their own children, so very little. I'm no longer amazed at the women who can kill their own toddlers/children who we hear about on the news. They mostly acknowledge that the only difference between kid A and kid B is "wantedness". And they rail about how if kid B is "unwanted", he/she should be killed. It only stands to reason that if formerly "wanted" kid A ever becomes "unwanted", it's only a short little hop to come to the conclusion that kid A is just a collection of cells anyway, too.Posted by: xalisae at February 24, 2010 7:17 PM
I am wondering when her 1st pregnancy became her "son" or a baby. Was there a point in time when she was pregnant with him that she considered him a baby or was it at his birth? Further, I think the fact that he has special needs is being overlooked as a factor. While she loves him NOW that he is born & theyhave a relationship, I wonder if she knew BEFORE his birth that he would have unique challenges & if she would have aborted him. Further, I wonder if she aborted this time because she was afraid she this child too would have special needs. Like she on some level (or her BF) is afraid she "makes" "imperfect" children...maybe BF used her son as a way to pressure her? Guilt her? Is it "fair" to bring another child like him into the world to "suffer"? I hear the pro-abort "logic" all the time...I am the mother of a special needs child. She is adopted, but she was nearly aborted by her birth mom. When the family discovered she had challenges, one person commented that she should have gone through with the abortion (& killed my daughter!)...guess they don't believe her life is worth living. So sad...Posted by: lifer at February 24, 2010 8:33 PM
"I wonder if she aborted this time because she was afraid she this child too would have special needs."
She has said that that was a factor.Posted by: xalisae at February 24, 2010 9:32 PM
someone help me find this woman who has all the organs of a male and a female? Or maybe double organs? Cause how is that possible? A baby is NOT part of the woman's body.
And this young woman Angie needs prayers.Posted by: LizFromNebraska at February 24, 2010 9:33 PM
Heather M., I would love to quote your insightful and compassionate words on our website. Your thoughts are timely. Our secretary and I have been moved to address this issue of self-worth in women. I wonder how to most effectively reach out to women in such need. The true value of us all lies in Jesus Christ. If only all of us could understand that He found our lives to be worth dying for... Heather, please check out our site and let me know your thoughts. www.life4allministries.com.
Jill, thank you for your courage and ministry.
Happymomma--I totally agree with you! I don't know why everyone gets so worked up. If they don't like abortions they just shouldn't have one. I mean, i feel that way about child abuse.
I myself would NEVER hit or starve my son or beat him black and blue, but I refuse, REFUSE to get upset when other people choose to do that. It is not my right to question their parenting style. They may really be poor and need the food for their own nutrition and not have any to give the child, or the severe beatings may really help them deal with children who need discipline...how am I to know? So I just choose not to try to end child abuse. Again, its not MY choice to be an abuser...I would never do that, but who am I to judge others who make a different choice?
I hear ya girl!Posted by: Sydney M. at February 24, 2010 9:39 PM
finding it very hard to find some compassion for this very disturbed woman
I agree with Gerry Nadal's comment.
I think her attitude demonstrates what it's like to live a life completely devoid of love....
It doesn't sound like there's much love between her and the father of her baby either....
I think rather than sway people over to the pro abortion side, she's doing the opposite.Posted by: angel at February 24, 2010 9:47 PM
Pamela, I am so very sorry for your loss! I'm sorry that you have had to go through it again. : (
This woman, Angie, has some deep psychological issues whether or not she actually had an abortion.
Just imagine how her little boy is going to feel once he's grown if he happens to see this video of Angie talking about her abortion like this. I just can't imagine it.
To love abortion to the extreme that you would go this far in promoting it..well, there just aren't words. I pity her. She doesn't know what love is.
I love your website and please feel free to use what I wrote.
Although the feminist movement has been going on for some time now it seems like women have gone from being protected and cared for and respected but not having many options, to having lots of options but being disrespected, disposable, and demeaned. When our worth was tied to home, husband, and children, it was demeaning. Now our worth is tied to our size, shape, and sexual prowess and somehow that is supposed to be empowering?
My husband is the most loving man I've ever met. I didn't have a problem with confidence before I married, but he has only made me stronger. I wish every woman could be loved like that by someone. We flourish when exposed to unconditional love. I pray daily to learn how to love like Jesus loves.Posted by: Heather M at February 24, 2010 10:15 PM
Let me also give praise for your website and organization. I don't have time right now to look at everything but what I saw at first glance looked awesome! Being Catholic, pro-life, and a Hospice RN, I can appreciate some of the things I read on your site.
I am always looking for good pro-life resources. Jill's site has quickly become one of my daily favorites.
Posted by: psalm
at February 24, 2010 10:43 PM
I am willing to bet the relationship with the baby's father is over before her 15 minutes of fame.Posted by: annmarie at February 24, 2010 10:46 PM
Sorry about the 3 posts...I guess I wanted to get my point across...what happened?Posted by: annmarie at February 24, 2010 11:04 PM
Hello friends who have been praying for my friend who is 24 weeks and her baby had a growth in his lung. Just heard from her yesterday she went to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia last week and the specialist there think the baby is probably going to be fine. They think the growth is stabilizing and she should be able to deliver but baby will need to be watched throughout rest of the pregnancy. They are fairly optimistic. Thank you Christian prolifers for your prayers for her and her baby. Continue to pray please.
Pamela I am so sorry for your loss. My heart breaks for you. Please know you are in my prayers and thoughts.
Hey Xalisae great posts on this blog. You are in my thoughts and prayers also.
Take care everyone. I am praying for this woman tweeting her chemical abortion. Did PP tell her this was going to be easy? If this baby implanted normally in her uterus getting this baby to disengage and un-embed is not an easy process. The cramping, retching, vomiting, shakes, etc are going to be awful. (She may not own up to it to try to keep pro-lifers from knowing about it). Reminds me of our chants at pro-life marches. PP LIES TO YOU!!!Posted by: Prolifer L at February 24, 2010 11:34 PM
Carla you said, "Shame comes with abortion. Nobody gives it to you or wishes it on you or forces you to feel shame over the killing of your own child." Then a comment on this blog calls some women who have abortions, "Narcissistic murderers who are not content to keep their horrifying deeds to themselves." A person might not be ashamed of their abortion but if they are vocal about they will most likely become labeled as crazy, easy, evil, etc, and treated poorly if not actually abused in some way by family, friends or even just strangers. There are many people who feel this is justified because the woman is a "murderer." For many women keeping silent after their abortion is necessary for safety reasons.
I have also noticed that when a person on this blog says something supportive of abortion they are almost inevitably asked, "When did you have your abortion?" Just like not every person who is pro-life has a had a child, not everyone who is pro-choice has had an abortion.
I am sorry that some say ugly things about post abortive women. It makes me wince at times and there is not much I can do except keep trying to educate. There are some here that have softened to that message. NOT to blame the woman. We have been deceived, we have been lied to, forced and coerced to abort.
To be honest, the WORST condemnation I have ever felt was in my old church. Ugh. It did keep me silent for years but finally took a risk and reached out and found help at a different church who embraced me and led me to abortion recovery.
I totally get what you are saying and I thank you for responding. I agree.Posted by: carla at February 25, 2010 9:45 PM
If I were to concede that abortion's effect on the unborn child is unimportant--which I don't--there are others affected.
What about Jill Guidry, who offered to adopt the baby?
What about Pamela (and probably others, myself included) who have experienced miscarriage? Who are hurting because they can't hold their wanted babies, while society and laws strip our children of status and value?
What about Angie's son who will be an only child?Posted by: ycw at February 26, 2010 4:18 PM
"My husband is the most loving man I've ever met. I didn't have a problem with confidence before I married, but he has only made me stronger. I wish every woman could be loved like that by someone. We flourish when exposed to unconditional love. I pray daily to learn how to love like Jesus loves."
Amen, Heather! I had major problems with self-esteem when I was younger, and being married to a wonderful man who loves and supports me has definitely made a difference--and beautiful children who love me unconditionally are great too. I know I could have easily ended up with the wrong guy for the wrong reasons, and I'm so grateful God spared me that. (But I am pretty sure I would not have killed my children.)
She said she was going to wash it (referring to the fetus) down with rum and that she could drink now... Umm... what did that really matter? She was drinking anyway. I also love how she NEVER mentions what the health problems are related to her pregnancy and giving birth. From what it sounds like, she never even saw a doctor before she considered abortion. You know, I'm 18 years old, and I know this "woman" is a lot older than me, but at this moment in time, I feel so much more mature than her. She makes jokes about killing a baby, and whether or not she has health issues, that is wrong. I don't care if this woman is an atheist or whatever it's called-- she's a sociopath. If there is anyone I feel sorry for in this other than the baby that got aborted for no reason in the first place, it's her son who has to grow up with her for the rest of his life, especially since he is special needs and will have to rely on her so much more.Posted by: Erica at March 1, 2010 9:57 PM
Wow. Keeping the bottle as a souvenir. Truly warped thinking.
I read her backstory and some other info on her grandmother, who really does have dangerously cultish beliefs. I'm praying she will eventually be able to allow the Lord to be her Lord, and recover from the effects of how she was raised. It is very difficult for those who've had a cult experience like this, but I know many who've made it through and are stronger than ever in the Lord.Posted by: renata at March 8, 2010 6:09 PM