UPDATE, 8:20p: What a coincidence. Little did I know when I was posting an update on baby Josie earlier today that she was being released from the hospital. According to People magazine this evening:
Josie Brooklyn Duggar, the youngest child born to Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting, returned to her AR home Thursday after her 2nd hospitalization in her brief life....
"We're so happy that she's doing so well," Michelle tells People. "She's finally home, home, home."
Josie was born on Dec. 10 at a gestational age of only 25 weeks, weighing 1 lb. 6 oz., after Michelle's life-threatening preeclampsia (pregnancy-related high blood pressure) forced an emergency C-section.
Since then, Josie has battled for her life, recovering from a bowel perforation at 8 days old. She gained weight and was released from the hospital on April 6, only to return a few days later when her vital signs fell.
Doctors searched for a cause of her problems and have finally identified them.
"Her digestive issues have been linked to lactose intolerance," says her physician Dr. Robert Arrington, co-director of the neonatal intensive care unit at AR Children's Hospital. "We are happy that she is doing so well and fully expect her to continue to thrive. Today, as she's leaving, she looks like a full-term baby."
Josie has grown to 7 lbs. 6 oz., to the delight of her parents, who are ready to settle her into a schedule at their Little Rock rental home with her 17 of her 18 siblings (oldest brother Josh, 22, lives with his wife and daughter have their own home) before moving her all the way back home, maybe in a few weeks.
"We're going to wait and see how it all goes," says Michelle. "We're going to take it easy and hang out close to the hospital."
[HT: Laura Loo; photo via People]
2:14p: Reader Lois wrote asking if there was an update on Josie Duggar (see previous posts here and here) coincidentally when the Family Research Council made the announcement it will award the Duggar family its 1st ever pro-family entertainment award at its 5th annual Values Voter Summit:
FRC will be honoring the Duggars' positive influence on American television during a special segment of the September 17-18 Summit. As cameras follow the family around for the smash hit reality show, 19 Kids and Counting, Jim Bob, Michelle, and the kids have been outspoken ambassadors for Christian values in a secular world. Together with parents from across the country, we want to pay tribute to their commitment to faith and family in an industry and culture that so desperately need it.
On to the Josie update. As I read a May 19 Examiner.com story it appears Josie will have to remain in the hospital this go-around until she weighs 8#...
Josie Duggar was released from Arkansas Children's Hospital on April 6th, but was readmitted just 2 days later after her vital signs unexpectedly dropped. The tiny tot suffers from digestive issues, but further testing cannot be performed until her weight bumps up to the all-important 8# milestone.
"We're trying to figure out Josie's plumbing problems. We know she has issues with her digestion, so we're just running tests and helping her be more comfortable," Mom Michelle Duggar explained. However, further testing cannot be performed until Josie Duggar reaches the 8# benchmark. Once Josie is big enough, Dr. Arrington will fix her digestive issues permanently....
The 30-minute show shows the entire Duggar family heading out for the annual ATI Home School Conference (where Josh Duggar met his wife Anna) in Big Sandy, TX. That is, everyone except Michelle and Josie Duggar. In probably her first "alone moment" in more than 20 years, Michelle Duggar is left behind to stay with baby Josie, who remains in the hospital....
The 4th season of 19 Kids and Counting achieved great ratings for TLC. With the early and unexpected birth of Josie Duggar, followed by the ensuing months at the hospital, viewers tuned in week after week to follow the Duggar family's trials and tribulations....
Josie Duggar is doing much better, but remains in the hospital. Once she achieves her goal weight of 8#... doctors... will permanently fix Josie's digestive issues. In the meantime, the Duggar family will remain in Little Rock to be close to their 19th child.
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$.03 per chore?
Sorry, I'm usually on board with the Duggars, but that seems like teaching your children to devalue hard work. If you're going to go the "we pay you for chores" direction, you should at least make an effort to pay a reasonable amount.
To be honest, my parents never did pay an allowance. I simply was expected to contribute. And I did contribute. And I feel that it strengthened my sense of loyalty and family.
But it seems like if you're going to make an incentive for chores, making it 3 pennies for each chore is just teaching your kids that their time is worth virtually nothing.Posted by: MaryRose at June 3, 2010 2:25 PM
Congratulations Duggar family on your award! Praying for you all, especially baby Josie!
How do they get by on only 7 gallons of milk a week? The older ones must not be drinking it...Posted by: Janet at June 3, 2010 2:26 PM
Janet, that occurred to me, too. We drink like 4-5 gallons a week in our 4 person family.Posted by: MaryRose at June 3, 2010 2:30 PM
I don't see a problem with three cents/chore. The parents don't owe them anything, I'm guessing that rule goes just for the littlest children. The older ones probably have paper routes, mow lawns, baby sit, etc... I wish I got three cents for each one of my chores. :)
We are not big milk drinkers at all. 2 gallons a week for 6 of us.
I just purchased a TLC Duggar DVD. Called 17 and Counting. :)
Praying for Josie.Posted by: carla at June 3, 2010 3:06 PM
We drink zero gallons of milk per week.Posted by: hippie at June 3, 2010 4:03 PM
Ah, but you see, I don't think the parents owe them anything either. I'm an advocate of NO allowance. What I'm saying is, if you're going to pay them, you should teach them to value their time. Giving 3cents/chore isn't exactly valuing their time and effort. Now, if you're teaching them other ways of valuing your time (for example, the value of hard work is in the result of the labor rather than the payment, or in the community you are building or what have you), that's absolutely admirable, but I feel that you should choose one because children have a difficult time separating concepts like that, and by paying them a pittance, you teach them that the value of their work is minimal.Posted by: MaryRose at June 3, 2010 4:19 PM
I see your point. How much would you pay the children? Taking out the garbage? Making beds? Folding laundry?
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Ok, $3000 for groceries per month? Maybe the Duggars are drinking Cokes instead of milk, but that still sounds very high to me.Posted by: Janet at June 3, 2010 4:41 PM
Posted by: bethany
at June 3, 2010 4:47 PM
I don't think that paying the children 3 cents for their chores is teaching them their work is not valued. I think it is just meant to be a small incentive. If paying them 3 cents a chore makes them think their work is not valued, then logically that would mean that when a parent pays their child nothing, that would REALLY make them feel that their work has no value. But we know that's not the case. I think with the Duggar family, it's a case of, "Thank you for working to help contribute to the family and do your part. Here is a little token to let you know you are appreciated." It may be small, but pennies can add up. Like someone else just said, I would LOVE to get paid 3 cents a chore. I could have hundreds of dollars a week accumulated! lol
I also think it can teach them to truly appreciate the value of a dollar.Posted by: bethany at June 3, 2010 4:50 PM
(And kids do understand if their parents can't afford to pay what an employer would.)Posted by: bethany at June 3, 2010 4:54 PM
I would probably do a few bucks per chore, depending on the chore and only with the agreement for each chore beforehand (in other words, if dishes aren't your chore and you did dishes, you can't then demand $3 or whatever). Harder jobs like mowing the lawn would pay better, and easier jobs (like sweeping) would pay less. Cleaning your room is your responsibility and if you don't do it, don't expect privacy.
But in my family, I intend on expecting chores to get done regardless and just providing moneys for activities as I determine it's appropriate, to be honest. I find that children who receive payment for chores have the attitude that if they don't require the payment, they don't have to do the chore.
But if anyone else has used the $.03 chore scale and found it successful and good, I'd be interested to hear about it.Posted by: MaryRose at June 3, 2010 4:59 PM
Mary, I can try it and let you know how it goes. ;) If I coulf just be consistent and remember, that is. I'm a scatterbrain!Posted by: bethany at June 3, 2010 5:03 PM
I read in their book that they also pay 3 cents each time their kids say "yes ma'am" and "yes sir".Posted by: bethany at June 3, 2010 5:06 PM
Oh, I'm not expecting parents to pay their kids what an employer would! I'm just saying that IF you're going to teach your kids that their chores are worth a certain price, you should be teaching them to value their time a little more than that. I could find more money trolling a grocery store for fallen change. That's not a good lesson, IMO.
$3 for dishes is too much, still, in retrospect. It's what, a 15-30 minute job, realistically? So I'm thinking $.50 is probably sufficient. But really, I don't think THAT much about it because like I said, I don't intend to pay my children to clean up their messes ;)
I'm just saying that $.03/chore is kind of an odd message to send.Posted by: MaryRose at June 3, 2010 5:06 PM
Remember, for the children earning three cents a chore these are small children and a chore would consist of something like folding your pajamas and putting them under your pillow. For that size chore three cents isn't too bad. The older children are able to earn much more in terms of "dollars" for doing a task like vacuuming out the van or cleaning the garage.Posted by: Millie at June 3, 2010 5:45 PM
Janet, I've watched episodes where they shop and I am sure they buy in bulk. I think Soda pop is more of a treat for them, I don't see them drink it that often in episodes.
I don't know how often they buy meat, but you could easily spend a few hundred dollars on decent cuts of meat, especially for feeding 17 children (not counting Josh, since he's married and on his own and Josie since she's a baby).Posted by: LizFromNebraska at June 3, 2010 6:21 PM
Millie, That's a decent point, and I'm finding myself a little less opposed to the idea. I don't know. I still don't plan on doing chores for pay in this house, but I'm not as bothered when I think about it being little kids & little jobs, though I still think it's a little odd.Posted by: MaryRose at June 3, 2010 6:57 PM
3¢? Maybe they want to get them really proficient at counting by 3's. :-)Posted by: hippie at June 3, 2010 8:10 PM
Janet, that occurred to me, too. We drink like 4-5 gallons a week in our 4 person family.
Posted by: MaryRose at June 3, 2010 2:30 PM
Posted by: Kristen
at June 3, 2010 11:52 PM
Heck, we go through a gallon and a half just at dinner! I cannot believe they only go through 7 gallons a week. I know my kids drink an unusually large amount of milk (hubby too) but that seems REALLY low for that many people.
I got paid 1 cent per pinecone I picked up in the lawn--front and back yards both counted (100 pinecones = $1)...that worked for me. I'd pick up pinecones, the pinecones would be out of the way for my Dad to mow, and I'd get paid).
I got a $1 for things like vacuuming and dusting and cleaning the bathrooms.
Considering how many kids are in the family and what probably has to be done, 3 cents doesn't seem like a bad deal.
In smaller families they probably could give more than 3 cents, but we're talking 19 children...if all the ones old enough to do chores and be paid for it (saying around 5 or 6-7 and up) depending how many that is, and they all did chores on a regular basis the parents could go broke if they paid more. Considering they have to buy a lot of groceries for that many people.
You gotta factor in family size, how much money they make, et cetera.
I don't think they're millionares even if they are on TV. It's hard to be a millionare when you have 19 children...even if you make good money.
The only allowance I ever had as a kid was what I made through helping out with house. Cleaning my room and making my bed didn't count, either (never got paid for those things, it was expected of me). But doing other things to help around the house I could earn my allowance.
I don't have a problem with how I was raised. I think it worked...judging from how all of us kids are now, the kind of people we've become and how much we love and appreciate my parents, I'd say my parents did a pretty darned good job raising us :-)Posted by: Mother In Texas at June 4, 2010 12:25 AM
All those poor kids ever do is chores. That tends to happen when your parents just keep dropping babies and there's no other way to keep the house decent.
I still think they're child abusers.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 12:31 AM
Honestly, I don't see why TLC continues to glorify this cult and film at their compound.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 12:36 AM
Ashley, get real. Those kids do a lot of really fun things AND learn responsibility. Yeah... chores equal child abuse. Grow up.
To everyone else...
The nine of us go through about 1 to 1-1/2 gallons of milk each week. It's just used for cooking because my kids don't do well if they drink very much of it.Posted by: Elisabeth at June 4, 2010 2:21 AM
Exploiting your horde of kids on TV is child abuse and not so Christian, too. I this is true of every parent who forces their kids to live with camera crews and be filmed every day of their lives. Parading kids around on camera is wrong. It's not like kids that young can give consent.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 7:36 AM
Ashley, they film 3 days a month. Please.Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 8:04 AM
I would love to have been able to be a child in the Duggar family. Each child knows they have worth and have a place in the family. Each child knows they are loved and valued no matter what the circumstances of their parents. Each child has had so many opportunities to learn and experience more than most children do. They go on trips and vacations all of the time together as a family, and have a blast just being together. Calling a life like theirs "abuse" is just nonsense. The children are happy and well adjusted, and prepared well for their world when they start their own lives. I think the people who hate them so much are either jealous or ignorant.Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 8:20 AM
The Duggars definitely deserve the award by the FRC.
They have taught me personally so much about being a good parent. I look to them as role models and hope that I can treat my children with the same love, attention, and patience that both Jim Bob and Michelle display.
They are doing a tremendous work and helping so many people, and encouraging people to see that children truly are a blessing from God, and not a curse or a burden.Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 8:25 AM
When talking about someone who has to homeschool and clean up after 19 kids--with clearly no time for much else--the last word that comes to mind is "jealous."Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 8:37 AM
Have you ever watched their show?
My family can't get enough of how cute all of the kids are and how mature and responsible they are and how they help each other out!! They are genuine. (HORRIFYING!)
I look forward to seeing these children become adults. :)Posted by: carla at June 4, 2010 8:49 AM
Ashley, if it's not jealousy, then it's ignorance.
It's also a huge case of not being "pro-choice".Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 9:18 AM
Being pro-choice does not mean never judging a parent, ever. That's just asinine. Do you think you have no right to judge the Octomom just because she didn't have an abortion? (Also, pro-choicers were judging her left and right for her gross irresponsibility.)Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 9:22 AM
If you divide $3k per month by 19 people (17 children and 2 adults who are eating "table food") you come out to an average of $157.89 per person, per month. Our household spends less than that (because we have Commissary priviledges), but with the prices of groceries these days it is not excessive to me to spend $157 per person, per month on groceries - especially if they lump toiletries, paper goods, cleaning supplies, and other household incidentals in with their grocery shopping trips (I don't know if they do or not but we do).
The Duggar children seem to be well-adjusted, responsible, and happy. So the Duggars must be doing SOMETHING right, Ashley.
Personally, I would LOVE to have grown up in such a family. Genuinely caring and loving Christian parents teaching their children how to function in a responsible manner in society, what could be better?
I don't believe the Duggars are child abusers. It doesn't kill a kid to help with the chores - everyone who lives in a home (child OR adult) SHOULD pitch in and do their fair share. Otherwise kids grow up thinking the world OWES them something - namely, everything handed to them on a platter. Entitlement mentality, anyone?
I love Michele Duggar's philosophy of child-rearing as far as praise/discipline are concerned. Public praise, but when correction is necessary the conversation is done privately to avoid humiliating the child in front of others. Yeah, that sounds like child abuse... (sarcasm). The woman has the patience of ten saints and as a mother I think I could learn a great deal from her.Posted by: army_wife at June 4, 2010 9:23 AM
Being pro-choice does not mean never judging a parent, ever. That's just asinine. Do you think you have no right to judge the Octomom just because she didn't have an abortion? (Also, pro-choicers were judging her left and right for her gross irresponsibility.)
Ashley, I'm not the one claiming to be "pro-choice".
It is you who claims to support what a woman chooses to do with her reproductive life- obviously "choice" is only for some people in your eyes.
That's the dumbest argument ever. If you're pro-life, are you forbidden to ever judge any woman who doesn't have an abortion? Of course we can judge people. I don't support the Octomom's "choices" in the slightest.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 9:30 AM
Also, pro-choicers were judging her left and right for her gross irresponsibility.
Of course they were, because they wanted her to have selective abortions. pro-choice=pro-abortionPosted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 9:32 AM
Riiight. So no pro-choice person is allowed to say a word about her having 14 kids in a 3 bedroom home, being unmarried and unemployed, and doing some extremely dangerous? (Multiple pregnancies are extremely risky on their own, and to intentionally create one is disgusting.)Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 9:34 AM
It's so easy to be "pro-choice" when women choose abortions.
Would you have considered Octomom irresponsible had she selectively aborted half of the babies in her womb before "viability"?Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 9:35 AM
Riiight. So no pro-choice person is allowed to say a word about her having 14 kids in a 3 bedroom home, being unmarried and unemployed, and doing some extremely dangerous? (Multiple pregnancies are extremely risky on their own, and to intentionally create one is disgusting.)
Sure they're allowed to. Who's stopping them from preaching one thing and doing another?Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 9:38 AM
Using your failed logic, if you support free speech, you can never criticize anything anyone says. If you do, you're anti-speech.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 9:38 AM
Yes, she should have gotten a selective reduction (or not been implanted in the first place, but it is what it is.) Fetishizing embryos and refusing selective reduction leads to the deaths of born babies. Personally, I care a whole lot more about babies than embryos.
What they should really do is make it illegal to implant someone with more than three embryos.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 9:44 AM
Ashley, pro-"choice" people are always preaching to "trust women", and that women should be able to do whatever they please with their reproductive lives- that it is not our place to judge what they do with their bodies, that we have NO say in their private lives.
If a pro-life person says that a woman's abortion was dangerous to her health or disgusting, then they are deemed "intolerant".
But say it about someone who chooses not to abort, and you're enlightened!Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 9:45 AM
Well, I'm not 100% pro-choice, as we discussed last week. Doing whatever you want with your body is actually not okay. Getting late-term abortions is wrong, and so is being implanted with 8 embryos.Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 9:49 AM
Ashley, pro-abortion is the term I would use because no one who supports abortion actually cares about the choice aspect- it's merely a euphemism for abortion. pro-choice= pro-abortion. In that light, you are 100%.Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 9:52 AM
You say doing late term abortions is wrong, but you support eugenic abortions at that time.Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 9:55 AM
What they should really do is make it illegal to implant someone with more than three embryos.
Why, Ashley? Isn't that infringing on a woman's autonomy? And do you now have a concern for embryos?Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 10:00 AM
octomom was the result of IVF. If IVF did not exist, we probably wouldn't have had the issue with her.
Babies are not meant to be created in a laboratory.
So glad to hear that Josie is home!Posted by: LizFromNebraska at June 4, 2010 10:25 AM
"You say doing late term abortions is wrong, but you support eugenic abortions at that time."
Uh, no I don't.
Your logic is stupid.
I'm going to the pool. Byebye!Posted by: Ashley Herzog at June 4, 2010 10:27 AM
Maybe when you get back you can try to explain how my logic is stupid.Posted by: bethany at June 4, 2010 10:35 AM
Maybe Ashley prefers watching "Jon and Kate + 8" instead to see "real" family dynamics at work...
I really wonder how people can diss the Duggars' way of life. They view kids as blessings not curses. They're more earth-friendly than most households with 1 or 2 kids. And they're raising well-balanced kids that will someday be productive members of society.Posted by: RSD at June 4, 2010 10:38 AM
Getting late-term abortions is wrong
For the benefit of us latecomers:
1) Why do you believe this?
2) When you say "wrong", what do you mean? Wrong for the environment? Wrong, as in an incorrect answer in an addition problem? How is it "wrong?"
Please don't blow off these "deeper" questions; I really want to try to understand your point.Posted by: Paladin at June 4, 2010 2:33 PM
As per the milk issue; do the Duggars really only drink 7 gallons of milk a week? The recommendation by the academy of pediatrics is one pint per day per child. If only 16 of those children were drinking milk that would mean they should be using at least 2 gallons a day or 14 gallons a week. They do say in their book 7 gallons/week. I guess it would help to explain why none of them are fat. They probably only use it on their cereal and for cooking.Posted by: Millie at June 4, 2010 4:46 PM
I have been watching the Duggars all week. I have some questions.
Do the children not fight? Argue? Get put into timeout?
Or is all of that footage on the Naughty Children Special? :)Posted by: carla at June 4, 2010 5:17 PM
Perhaps they only use milk for cooking and for cereal. They could go through a gallon or more if every child over 3 ate a bowl of cereal or oatmeal for breakfast every day.
Tuesday nights are boring now w/o the Duggars show on regularly. :(Posted by: LizFromNebraska at June 4, 2010 5:41 PM
Millie, I'm a certified pediatric nurse. I would never give any of my children a pint of milk per day. They would all be sick all of the time! Their noses run horribly and they get huge raccoon eyes.
There are many other great ways to get calcium into your diet. My children tolerate cheese and yogurt far more than they tolerate non-cultured milk products (it breaks down the milk protein that causes the allergies).
Also, not everyone is aware that there is more USABLE calcium in dark, leafy greens (such as spinach and romaine lettuce) than there is in milk. There may be more overall calcium in the milk, but because the other nutrients that are necessary for the body to utilize the calcium are also in dark, leafy greens, the body is actually able to utilize a far greater percentage of the calcium.Posted by: Elisabeth at June 5, 2010 2:19 AM
Carla, I've seen them acting up a couple of times..
Here is an outtake video of a couple of the little ones acting up a bit while Michelle is trying to be interviewed. I am amazed at her patience and wish I could be that gentle and sweet all of the time.
(don't they look so abused? *sarcasm*)Posted by: bethany at June 5, 2010 9:04 AM
Elisabeth, I agree about the milk. Very hard for the body to digest. Recently, I've been drinking almond milk (it is delicious!), and my kids seem to like it as well. We usually use cows milk for cooking, but eat a lot of cheeses and yogurts.
We go through about a gallon of milk every 2 weeks, for a family of 6.
I have heard from a pediatrician that drinking milk when you have a cold can make congestion worse. I'd never heard about getting "racoon eyes" from milk specifically, but I have heard of it possibly being an immune response to some allergen/irritant. Interesting...
What do y' all drink with your meals? Water?
Hope you are all doing well! Praying that your beautiful beaches are saved from the terrible spill. God bless.
Thank you Bethany!! :) I have been watching Duggars all week and my family is very interested in it as well. Watching how they do what they do is fascinating to me. Michelle is an inspiration in the area of patience.
My children prefer water over milk with meals. :)
Janet, good to see you! :) Yes, we drink water with most of our meals.Posted by: bethany at June 5, 2010 4:07 PM
We drink water most of the day, in addition to meals. There is a great book out there called Is This Your Child? by Doris Rapp. It has full color pictures of some of the physical symptoms of different food allergies. Raccoon eyes and runny noses are classic milk allergy.
We have used almond milk, oat milk, hazelnut milk and rice milk. We do not use soy milk because I have congenital hypothyroidism and soy depresses thyroid function.Posted by: Elisabeth at June 7, 2010 3:12 AM
In regards to the 3 cents per chore:
That seems like a very small amount to pay for chores. However, keep in mind that this is a very large family with lots of chores to be done everyday. Let's just say that 15 kids do 10 chores each per day. That's $4.50 per day for chores. Multiply that by 365 days in the year and you get $1,642.50 spent on chores alone each year! That's a lot of cash to dish out on chores!
I suspect that the Duggars are going by the Biblical principle that says "The love of money is the root of all evil". They're probably trying to teach their kids that the reward is in the results of doing something for the good of the whole family and not in the monetary "reward", thus making the kids' motivation much more Biblical. The kids' motivation is not for the money, but for the love and devotion of family and obedience to God and their parents.Posted by: Lisa at June 15, 2010 6:16 PM