Jill, I was talking to a few people yesterday who really want Hillary to win. I just cringed.

Someone told me that Oprah has been pushing for Obama. I don't know how true that is.

Heather, it is. It's been all over the news how she has been speaking with him in Iowa I believe it was. I REALLY think she is only supporting him because he is black..which to me is JUST as racist as not supporting someone because they are black.

Elizabeth, Thank you for the update. I haven't had the T.V. on these days. I'll bet that's the case. I really don't run into many black people who support him anyway. Believe it or not, they want Hillary.

hillary..ugh. That's all I have to say about her haha.

Anybody want to guess whose Birth Day it should be today?

...And Giuliani ISN'T a pro-choice advocate?

You are aware that abortion doesn't even rate as a top-10 issue in this race?
There's just too much really important stuff going on right now.

Lilleths?

carder, yours??

Well Carder,

I know that it is the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe...she is the patroness of the unborn and the Americas...

But I believe Heather is right...today (or somewhere around here), according to Erin's calculations is the day her twins would have been born!

Oooohhhh, can we have a birthday party!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LILITH! HAPPY BIRTHDAY ADAM!

God Bless you two little ones...you are remembered.

Heather, you smarty, you.

Yes! It's LILLITH'S!!!

Everybody now...

Happy Birth Day to you!
Happy Birth Day to you!
Happy Birth Day dear Lillith,
Happy Birth Day toooo yooooooou!!

To our dear Lillith,
Happy Birth Day little one. While we may not be blessed by your earthly existence, we keep you fondly in our minds and hearts.
Please pray for us as we pray for those who would love us not.

Sincerely,
The Pro-Life Crew at JillStanek.com

(Bethany, emoticon?)

Everybody, feel free to sign Lillith's virtual birthday card.

Peace.

I thought Lilleth was due in March. Hi there MK *waves*...Twins? Did I miss something? BTW, where is Erin? I miss her.

How could I forget Adam?! For shame.

Happy Birth Day, Little Guy!

Love,
Us

carder, I onder if it's crossed Erin's mind. That was nice! I think that Erin will come to terms with it one day. Some of my friends are still blocking out their abortions.

We thought it was March, too, but based on Erin's testimony we calculated that this would have been a likely due date month.

Plus, Erin has stated she didn't know when her babies would have been due.

Sorry. Abortions performed 5 years ago or less.

OK, I must be missing something here...can someone give me Lilleth & Adam's story in a nutshell, please?

Elizabeth-

People thought she would go Hillary because "she's a woman." A lot of women are voting for her because they think she will understand how women think and they would like someone like that in the white house.

Would you consider that sexist?

Let the record show, this isn't to hurt Erin, although I doubt this would bother her.

Just couldn't keep the little guys off my mind, ya know?

AB Laura, Erin aborted her baby. This would have been the due date had she continued her pregnancy.

That was the name she had chosen..Lilleth.

Gladly, AB Laura.

Erin was pregnant with twins, miscarried one, and terminated the other.

She had said that she briefly considered names for her fetus, but scratched that off and went to the clinic.

The name she considered was Lillith.
We took the liberty of naming her miscarried fetus Adam. Even it out, boy/girl.

There. Nutshell.

I don't find it racist that a black person would want to vote for a black candidate for president. It's almost like voting for someone on American Idol because they are from your hometown, or rooting for a pro sports franchise because you went to high school with one of the players.

Thanks, Heather.

Guys,
Isn't this like rubbing salt in a wound? From what I've read on MANY posts, women who abort do feel pain, sometimes deep, deep down.

Erin, if you're reading this, what's done is done. I pray for your healing and to find a relationship with God through Jesus Christ (if you haven't done so already!) so that one day you WILL be reunited with your little angels.

AB Laura,
I can count on Erin to tell us if this was out of line or no.

I'll gladly respect her wishes.

You've joined us recently, so you've missed out on some of the posts Erin has made regarding her abortions.

Could blow you away.

AB Laura, I had read that it can take up to 5-10 years before someone may even realize that they are in pain from the aftermath of abortion. Sometimes you can see pain in someone's behavior. I see it a lot.

AB Laura, we love Erin, but some of her posts have been callous. Even so, I pray for her.

AB Laura,

Erin also stated that she did this so she could continue to act in plays...which she is.

In mythology, Lilith (don't know whether Erin realized this or not when she chose the name) was the name of the woman Adam was married to before Eve. Lilith refused to submit to Adam and hooked up with some demons. She is considered a demon in Judaism and Jewish mothers pray that Lilith doesn't come and snatch their child's breath away during the night.

You've probably heard of Sarah McLaughlin's Lilith Fair, a musical festival celebrating women and their "equality/superiority" over men...

from wiki:

Lilith (Hebrew לילית) is a mythological female Mesopotamian storm demon associated with wind and was thought to be a bearer of disease, illness, and death. The figure of Lilith first appeared in a class of wind and storm demons or spirits as Lilitu, in Sumer, circa 3000 BC. Many scholars place the origin of the phonetic name "Lilith" at somewhere around 700 BC.[1] Lilith appears as a night demon in Jewish lore and as a screech owl in the King James version of the Bible. She is also apocryphally the first wife of Adam.

A Hebrew tradition exists in which an amulet is inscribed with the names of three angels (Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof) and placed around the neck of newborn boys in order to protect them from the lilin until their circumcision. There is also a Hebrew tradition to wait three years before a boy's hair is cut so as to attempt to trick Lilith into thinking the child is a girl so that the boy's life may be spared.

Talmud

Although the Talmudic references to Lilith are sparse, these passages provide the most comprehensive insight into the demoness yet seen in Judaic literature, which both echo Lilith’s Mesopotamian origins and prefigure her future as the perceived exegetical enigma of the Genesis account. Recalling the Lilith we have seen, Talmudic allusions to Lilith illustrate her essential wings and long hair, dating back to her earliest extant mention in Gilgamesh:

"Rab Judah citing Samuel ruled: If an abortion had the likeness of Lilith its mother is unclean by reason of the birth, for it is a child but it has wings." (Niddah 24b)

"[Expounding upon the curses of womanhood] In a Baraitha it was taught: She grows long hair like Lilith, sits when making water like a beast, and serves as a bolster for her husband.” (‘Erubin 100b)

Unique to the Talmud with regard to Lilith is her insalubrious carnality, alluded to in The Seductress but expanded upon here sans unspecific metaphors as the demoness assuming the form of a woman in order to sexually take men by force while they sleep:

"R. Hanina said: One may not sleep in a house alone [in a lonely house], and whoever sleeps in a house alone is seized by Lilith.” (Shabbath 151b)

Yet the most innovative perception of Lilith offered by the Talmud appears earlier in ‘Erubin, and is more than likely inadvertently responsible for the fate of the Lilith myth for centuries to come:

"R. Jeremiah b. Eleazar further stated: In all those years [130 years after his expulsion from the Garden of Eden] during which Adam was under the ban he begot ghosts and male demons and female demons [or night demons], for it is said in Scripture, And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years and begot a son in own likeness, after his own image, from which it follows that until that time he did not beget after his own image…When he saw that through him death was ordained as punishment he spent a hundred and thirty years in fasting, severed connection with his wife for a hundred and thirty years, and wore clothes of fig on his body for a hundred and thirty years. – That statement [of R. Jeremiah] was made in reference to the semen which he emitted accidentally.” (‘Erubin 18b)

Comparing ‘Erubin 18b and Shabbath 151b with the later passage from the Zohar: “She wanders about at night, vexing the sons of men and causing them to defile themselves (19b),” it appears clear that this Talmudic passage indicates such an adverse union between Adam and Lilith.

You guys are right...I've only been here a short time & don't know of previous comments or how she really feels. I do, however, know that you guys are awesome! Thanks for the explanations...I understand now.

:)

This is the sickest thing EVER.

Why don't you take a moment out from obsessing over Erin's unit and have a WWJD moment.

MK,
Wow! Hence, Adam as the name of her other baby.
Very fascinating!

MK, you made a fantastic point. Well, you always do, but I'm talking about the one where you stated "The woman who walks into the abortion clinic, walks out a different person." She will always be a different person. I think about that a lot.

AB Laura,

If Erin reads this and feels "pain" it would be a cause to celebrate since it would be a sign that she feels anything at all about the abortion. It is my hope that reading this will help her realize what was done and "SEEK" the healing she needs. But at this point in time, she doesn't seek it, nor believe that there is anything to heal from...

I too pray, often, for Erin. She is a darling girl and somewhat of a dichotomy. From past posts, I'm sure she knows that this was not done in meanness, and will take it with a grain of salt...

God Bless you Erin, you know I love you!

It's not sick. Erin shared her story with us. Erin named her kids.

Laura,

Why don't you take a moment out from obsessing over Erin's unit and have a WWJD moment.

I think Jesus is baking those little babies a cake right now, and celebrating with us. Because even tho those kids are not here physically with us, they are spiritually alive and well.

Once a child is aborted, it is the mother that is lost. The babies are found. The pain they feel is not from the fact that they were rejected initially, but the fact that they are still rejected. Millions and millions of little souls, whose parents won't even acknowledge their existance. This is why we urge the moms and dads to pray to their little ones. To reassure them that even tho a mistake was made, they are loved. Once a baby has been ripped from the womb, the physical pain stops...but the emotional separation from their mothers goes on...

MK,
There is no pain in Heaven.

AB Laura,

MK,
Wow! Hence, Adam as the name of her other baby.
Very fascinating!

Exactly, and Erin has mentioned that she is well versed in mythology so I'm pretty sure that choosing that name was not an accident. I'm of the mind that she knew exactly what she was saying by choosing that name and was having "a little fun" with us...

or sorrow....only JOY!

Heather,
Thank you. It's true, you cannot remain "unchanged" after going through something like that. No matter how loudly you cry it from the mountaintops. You are just not the same person.

AB Laura, that's why I am looking forward to the afterlife... And NO SPIDERS! Let's hope!

It's not sick. Erin shared her story with us. Erin named her kids.

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Yup, and Bethany named her kid and shared her story with us too.
Instead of pondering what Bethany might have done to cause her miscarriage, how about we give her the benefit of the doubt, offer whatever solace we can for her pain, and serve up some kindness and comfort instead of tight-@zzed self-righteousness.
Who's with me?

AB Laura,

I think that there is a pain of sorts...Our Lady cries all the time. She's in heaven. I think you most definitely can feel sorrow for all of the lost souls in the world...looking down from heaven, I think that the saints and our loved ones feel our pain empathetically. I don't think the "no pain" clause kicks in til the New Heaven is made. At the end...you know? We don't get our "new bodies" til then either.

MK, I shared a story about a girl who aborted about 3 months ago. I see her often. She also calls me a lot. "Kathy" is a changed person. I know it. I see it.

Yup, and Bethany named her kid and shared her story with us too.
Instead of pondering what Bethany might have done to cause her miscarriage, how about we give her the benefit of the doubt, offer whatever solace we can for her pain, and serve up some kindness and comfort instead of tight-@zzed self-righteousness.
Who's with me?

And Bethany would be the first one to appreciate a birthday party in Blessing's honor...

She would take great comfort in the fact that we remembered her little one.

Will Erin?

As to offering up kindness for her pain...what pain? Erin claims their is none. We'd be all over her if we thought she was feeling pain.

Heather,
Me too! & I agree....NO SPIDERS!!!!

You don't cause a miscarriage.

Mk,

"Thank you. It's true, you cannot remain "unchanged" after going through something like that. No matter how loudly you cry it from the mountaintops. You are just not the same person."

Everything in life changes us. Simply because a particular event changes who you are as a person does not mean that the event itself is at fault.

Everything in life changes us. True. Abortion changes women for the worse.

A woman murdering her child is never a good thing.

Heather,

"Everything in life changes up. True. Abortion changes women for the worse."

And how do you know that?

Even if a woman comes to regret her experience and finds it to be incredibly painful, that doesn't mean that it can't change her in ways that good.

The most painful things that I have been through are also the ones that I look back and say "despite everything, I can't wish that would have been different because, if it had, I wouldn't be the person that I am today."

Heather,

Legally, abortion is not murder. A woman is ending a potential life, yes, but she is not committing murder.

I don't see a single woman who is better off d/t an abortion.

Heather,

"I don't see a single woman who is better off d/t an abortion."

Maybe that's because you can only see what you wish to see.

Abortion is murder. We just call it "legalized murder."

Blast, I HAVE to stop procrastinating. Otherwise this presentation is never going to get off the ground.

Have a good day everybody.

When was your last WWJD moment, Laura? For that matter, we're all glowing with anticipation (but somehow not holding our breaths) to learn when you have your FIRST one. You proaborts always scorning Jesus, except when you think you can somehow co-opt Him against pro-lifers. You despise His teachings about murder and sexual boundaries, but are the first to hollar "Judge not", while you are prejudging and condemning to death hundreds of thousands of the "least of these".

I once heard of a PP deathscort/goon displaying a sign at some sidewalk counselors reading, "Let him that is without sin among you cast the first stone". Incredible misapplication of scripture, considering(not proaborts' long suit) that the context of that verse was the stoning (subjecting to bodily harm) of a woman who had been caught in adultery (sexual immorality). That is what abortion profiteers do all the time; subject to bodily harm (abortion is physically dangerous to women) women who have been (very often, not always) involved in sexual immorality. It is believed by many commentators that Jesus put the shoe on the foot of her accusers because they had been immorally involved with her themselves, just as PP and other killers are constantly involved in enticing their quarry into sexually immoral behavior via birth control, and explicit "if you feel like doing it, it's right for you" sex ed.

The pro-lifers weren't claiming to be sinless, but PP does; they don't even acknowledge any absolute moral standard...after all, that would cut into their profits. And, the prolifers were telling PP's quarry to Go and sin no more, as Jesus did; whilst PP was telling them to fornicate as much as they liked, in hopes that they would be back with more grist for the death mills...and, of course, more cash or even better, more eligibility for "gov't assistance"...then PP gets even more money.

So tell us, what do you want on your millstone?!

Heather,

Okay, one last point.

As a term, "legalized murder" is cannot exist because it contradicts itself. Murder is not killing another person, but killing another person unlawfully. Legalized means that something is legal. Based on what both those terms mean, something cannot be "legalized murder."

MK, your post from 10:12 is heartbreaking.

Re: the quote of the day part two: How about an abortion tax? Every aborting parent should be required to pay an "abortion tax"; the amount that the average working American owes in taxes over a 35-40 year period. A percentage of this tax (I'd say 60 percent) should be split between the abortionists, the owners and directors of the death mills where the babies are killed.

Then there would at least be some support for people past retirement age...Oh, but I forgot; this lack of support is to increase the push for killing those in the twilight of life by "euthanasia". See? Like the man said, Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

JTM, Wow! Great post! How true, how true.

Heather:

Oprah is pushing for Obama, she was in North Carolina earlier this week on a "Polictical Tour" with him. She opened up and spoke about "how wonderful his 'dream' for America is", blah blah blah,...

AB Laura, we love Erin, but some of her posts have been callous. Even so, I pray for her.

Posted by: heather at December 12, 2007 9:59 AM
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...And there it is.

Erin didn't show enough contrition, so now we're going to rub her face in her own s***.

MK, speaking of Our Mother, I am planning to dress as Mary for our interpretation of Prolife Action League's Empty Manger. I will be dressed as Mary and will be holding an empty cradle infront of a mill. I will be doing this for the next two Saturdays.

hi there midnite!

Hi Heather! How have you been doing lately?
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Carrie:

Why on earth would you hold an empty cradle dressed up as Mary?

...And there it is.

Erin didn't show enough contrition, so now we're going to rub her face in her own s***.

Posted by: Laura at December 12, 2007 10:46 AM

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How so?

midnite, I'm not an Oprah fan. How about you?

Laura
Could you explain Erin's actions of abortion within your lazy minded philosophy which is summed up by you as; "what goes around comes around"?
Where does contrition, shame,sorrow or regrets fit within your lazy mind Laura which wrote those words in quotations above?
If Erin ate a pie made of the excrement of Laura, would that not be a case of karma being adjusted/balanced for past mistakes of Erin, which then eliminates sincere remorse for wrongdoing anyway?
Or would you Laura have committed a act of bad karma which then demands you to eat your own excrement, to correct your mistake of feeding Erin your excrement as a delicious pie?

Eh, She doesnt bother me that bad to be honest with you in Heather.

I like the "Angel Network" she did after Katrina, and I think she tries to help those less fortunate than her, and I admire that in people.

Her shows are sometimes good and informative...

I dont know about her personally thought....

Why dont you like her Heather?

BTW, where do pro choicers get the notion that pro lifers are without sin? I have sinned many times. Women who have abortions are sinners, but they can be forgiven. This is not a contest. We just happen to think that defending life is the right thing to do. Can't we choose to do that? PCers, you are supposed to respect our choices.

midnite, I don't really dislike her, and she has done some good things. I don't know. I think she should have built a school for kids in the U.S....you?

Who's the baby killing champ? That's a tough call.

Midnite, Tis' the season. It is our version of a Christmas pagaent, except it takes place infront a abortion mill. You can click on ProLife Action League's website and see a picture of what it might look like. There is a picture of an empty cradle with prolifers singing Christmas carols standing around it. The empty cradle is empty to symbolize all of the unborn children who loose their lives to abortion. We say the Rosary and included in that is the Hail Mary. We pray to Mary. I would possibly set up an empty cradle, but I would then expect police involvement(ie you can't stake something on public property or some such nonsense). Hence, I will be holding a small doll-sized cradle. I realize it seems silly it you, but we feel differently about the abortion issue so it therefore doesn't seem silly to me.

Carrie, it's not silly at all.

You're right I do find it silly Carrie, but that doesnt mean I dont somwhat understand what y'all are trying to do. Although, I think doing an "empy manger scene" is a little ridiculous. Abortions were not common in those days, and why would you want to do something like that on Jesus' birthday, I mean y'all are Christian right?
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Heather: I do agree with you that maybe a school in the US would have been better but I understand why she built one in Africa. The Countries are poor, and someone is extremely lucky to not die from AIDS. Even if by a mircale they dont contract the disease, they have little resources to live on, they're starving, and have no chance at an education. So, I think it is appropriete that someone (you, me, Oprah, who the hell ever) tries to help the youth in Africa...

Thanks, Heather. I think it is a wonderful idea. It will probably bother some people, but I am tough so I can more than handle it.:)

Midnite, thanks for somewhat understanding what I am trying to do. I am not trying to be historically accurate or else my Mary costume would look very different. By "something like that",do you mean crying for unborn children and silently praying for their mothers? Yeah, I would want to do something like that.

midnite, i am quite sick today. kind of lallygagging around. I'm on my way to the med center soon. i was just a tossin it up there. good point though.

No, Carrie that is not what my "something like that" statement is about.

Christmas is supposed to be about celebrating Jesus' birth, correct (I am agnostic, so this does not apply to me). People are supposed to celebrate love, life, family etc.

I dont think that anyone (PC, PL or in the middle) should use a holiday to push their political agenda. Just like I beleive children should not be used as tools to push a political agenda.

Make sense...?

Heather I am sorry you dont feel well today...

Midnite, Tis' the season. It is our version of a Christmas pagaent, except it takes place infront a abortion mill. You can click on ProLife Action League's website and see a picture of what it might look like. There is a picture of an empty cradle with prolifers singing Christmas carols standing around it. The empty cradle is empty to symbolize all of the unborn children who loose their lives to abortion. We say the Rosary and included in that is the Hail Mary. We pray to Mary.
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Why do you do this? What's your point?
Do you just like the attention?

midnite, thanks. I have a sinus infection.

I am celebrating the joy an unborn child brings to a family and highlighting the sad fact that so many unborn children are killed. I don't a a political agenda. I have a big heart and I am just trying to save lives. I don't believe that belief in the sanctity of life is a political agenda. I am sure you believe in the sanctity of life too. We just disagree on the particulars. I do see your point. I just don't agree with it.

Well at least we both see where the other is trying to come from. That's about as much as we'll probably agree on this....
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Laura,

No offense, but you can be quite harsh and rude at times.

Laura, my sister in sarcasm, I would love to answer your question but I am too busy talking to someone(Midnite) who knows how to have a civil debate. You might want to take lessons from her.

Midnite, we can also agree that Laura can be rude. :)

Midnite, thank you! Amen.

Heather: I do agree with you that maybe a school in the US would have been better but I understand why she built one in Africa. The Countries are poor, and someone is extremely lucky to not die from AIDS. Even if by a mircale they dont contract the disease, they have little resources to live on, they're starving, and have no chance at an education. So, I think it is appropriete that someone (you, me, Oprah, who the hell ever) tries to help the youth in Africa...

Posted by: midnite678@aol.com at December 12, 2007 11:28 AM

I don't so much mind Oprah but I didn't really like how her school in Africa was only for girls. The problems in Africa can only be helped if boys are educated as well. I realize there are more schools for boys than girls there, but only for boys that can afford the education.

She has enough money, she could have opened another school for poverty stricken boys as well. As a general rule women/girls are not aggressive, but in general uneducated men/boys are. The more education the less agressive. Again, as a general rule, not in all instances.

I don't a a political agenda. I have a big heart and I am just trying to save lives.
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Puhleeeeze.

If I gathered people near your church to hold up huge signs of anuses damaged by rape and guys dressed as priests pretending to sexually assault small mannequins, would I be protesting child abuse, or would I just be a flaming jackass?

Are the patrons of Westboro Baptist Church big-hearted lifesavers, or maybe just a herd of cretins?

Why don't you raise money for your polital action committee instead. You'd save so much money on costumes, and it would be a lot more effective.

Thanks Carrie...

And Heather, we find some other common ground...

And Laura,
I am starting to think your just a flaming jackass for either (1)the fun of it or (2)to get a reaction out of people... Just my own opinion though.

Are the patrons of Westboro Baptist Church big-hearted lifesavers, or maybe just a herd of cretins?
And they are cretins.....

Ignore Laura. She's attention starved. It will be the best medicine for her:]

midnite, she is a jackass. She's also 45 years old. Hard to believe.

I'd expect more maturity from a 12 year old. This is a clear cut case of Nolifeitis. Okay, off to the doctor.

LMAO, Laura. Or you could stop the visits to your plastic surgeon and volunteer at a homeless shelter instead. Or you could donate the money you spend on lipo to cause of your choice. Still LMAO........(will do Heather. I couldn't resist one little comeback though)

Carrie:

When you said, I don't a a political agenda", I must say I dont really agree with that statement. Yes, I do believe that most of the PLs on here are geniunely concerned with the well being of an unborn child. But the fact remains, that y'all are trying to get a law passed.

I must point out that abortion is a politically charged issue, so any protest, meeting, etc. is taking steps foward (in y'alls opinion) to outlaw abortions. So therefore, (IMO)anything y'all do is political.

Do you see my thinking on this?

Laura, when you come for a visit, what kind of quiche do you want me to make for you? I do make a mean piecrust. It is very flaky. If you decide to stop by, do you want to take a tour of my garden? It is out-of-season, but it still has plenty of winter-interest going on. I have red and yellow-twig dogwoods to carry the garden through the winter. very pretty...

And Laura,
I am starting to think your just a flaming jackass for either (1)the fun of it or (2)to get a reaction out of people... Just my own opinion though.
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And WHY does Carrie throw on her Mary costume and hang out in front of abortion clinics? Pretty much the same reasons.
The members of Westboro Baptist have those motivations as well.

WOW, she's 45 and acts that way? I always assumed to was my age or younger...

Laura, you are poking a hyena that is not going to react in the way you want. Do you like spinach quiche or do you prefer quiche lorraine? Would you like mulled cider or do you prefer hot cocoa?

Midnite, I do see your point. Hadn't thought of it that way....

Laura.
One of your converts went home this week. He thought just like you Laura. He took it for years but eventually converted to your philosophy of what goes around comes around Laura.

*Note to self* Laura's posts are becoming increasingly hysterical. Must not give her any caffeniated beverages when she comes to "visit" me.

What do you know! We're seeing each other's view points, being civil, and thinking outside the box of our normal though processes..

Laura wouldnt you like to say the same about someone?

I launched and am on the board of 2 different 501cs. One is an adult cat rescue and the other is a German Shepherd rescue. because of the rate of forclosures and the fires we've had in Southern California, I've been at a dead run all year. I'm out-of-pocket thousand$ on vet bills.

Sure, I could stand out in front of an animal shelter dressed as a homeless cat, but I find that it's better to actually DO something.

My goal for this year? Get THIS little gen re-introduced:
http://www.sfchroniclemarketplace.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/12/BAGPBQU7NU43.DTL

Jkeller,

Yes but you vote for them not based on any of their merit just for the sheer fact that they're black, or from your hometown, etc. I would vote on american idol with the person who HAS talent and if they happen to be from my hometown, that is a bonus. If I were black, I would still only vote for the person who represents MY ideas mostly in governmental policy, not just because of the color of their skin. Picking someone based SOLELY on the color of their skin is just as racist as NOT picking someone based on the color of their skin. It's just reverse racism.

Laura, how am I going to plan for your visit if you don't respond to my questions? When you come to visit me at home with your posters, what kind of quiche do you want? We have already established that I won't be serving you any caffeine. Mulled cider or decaf coffee, Laura?

You know, I must be having one of my dumba-- days. I received a postcard in the mail yesterday re: the caroling @ empty manger, and I still am having a hard time figuring out how caroling at an empty manger relates to abortion. Like I said, not to be rude, but I am not understanding the concept...I don't think it's bad or anything, I just don't understand it.
I also feel that ANY PL presence around an abortion mill is a GREAT thing!

Laura, that's so great that you are doing so much for animals. How about dressing as a homeless cat while you perform animal rescues? Now wouldn't that be fun????

Ab Laura,

It's because if Jesus had been aborted, there wouldn't be a baby in the manger. Or at least that is how I interpreted it.

AB Laura, Prolife Action League explains it on their website. I won't be caroling actually. My voice is terrible.

But, But, But Laura, what about the horses Laura?
All those horses you steal their pee pee from, to manufacture Premarin? Then ship to Mexico to destroy and convert into cat and dog food.
Try and dress up as a female horse Laura. It would do ya good Laura. And stop those nightMARES you have to cover up with pills and therapy.

Or you could just follow Carrie's advice, Ab Laura, I was just winging it haha!

Laura you're not a crazy member of PETA right?

Laura, come out and plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.......

Thanks, guys! I'll check out the site for more info! Carrie, I wouldn't dare let a note out of my horrible singing voice! I'm sure mine is MUCH worse than yours! People always told me that it doesn't matter to God....somehow, I believe that cannot be true! They haven't heard my singing voice! That's one of things that I hope God changes in me when I go to Heaven...Sounds like there will be alot of singing There, so I'll definately need a new voice to go with my new body!

"I REALLY think she is only supporting him because he is black"

That's just nuts. She's supporting him because she agrees with him on the issues and believes he's smart and courageous enough to be a great President.

I just checked out the site & I got it now. Thanks!

AB Laura, I would love to have a great singing voice. Maybe someday, like you said. It is great to have you back by the way.

Thanks Carrie!!!

:)

Hal, I think this is the first time that Oprah has gotten politically involved? I think that she's previously gotten some criticism for her lack of political involvement.

You would be correct in that statement Carrie

Well, I have got to go. Seeing as Laura won't answer me, I'll have to make a spinach quiche and a quiche lorraine. Ya know, for when she shows up at my house to protest. Ooops, I am going to have to straighten up yard seeing as I was just bragging about it.

When you come to visit me at home with your posters, what kind of quiche do you want?
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Why would I be coming to your home?

When prochoicers start complaining about plers presence outside of mills or outside of contractors homes(for example), the next thing they usually say is, "how would you like it if we protested infront of your home with pictures of women who die from illegal abortion". If you want to protest outside of my church with "huge signs" like you said in one of your previous post, then go ahead. However, I was just trying to be hospitable by inviting you to my home to protest with your "huge signs".

hahahahahahaha....

Although Carrie I must say that I STRONGLY disagree with the "Truth Tour", aka grotesque pictures driving up and down the street.

Hal, please....don't be so naive. Oprah didn't care about the elections before enough to get involved..and now because there is a black (well half-black to be correct) candidate running, she's ALL up in it..and you think it's based on his merit? Let's be real please.

Um, Elizabeth maybe you forgot; but black men have run for President before. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jackson ring a bell?
And Oprah didnt support them.

meant to address my 1:31 post to Laura. Midnite, glad you like my humor even if you don't like my methods.:)

Midnite, what years did they run for president?? I'm not meaning that as my response to your comment, but I am just unaware as of their dates and am curious.

Jackson ran in 1988 I think.

Sharpton ran in 2004.

When prochoicers start complaining about plers presence outside of mills or outside of contractors homes(for example), the next thing they usually say is, "how would you like it if we protested infront of your home with pictures of women who die from illegal abortion".
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No, the next thing we say is; "You're protesting in front of someone's HOME? You must be a deeply disturbed stalker."

Rae, thank you.

How do you know, midnite that she didn't support them? She could have endorsed them on her show. I mean maybe she didn't get out on the campaign trail with them like she is with Obama now, but that could have just been that she herself didn't believe they could win. I'm sure she thinks Obama can win and that's why she's actively involved now as well.

I do happen to know a few black people who said they will vote for him just based on the fact that he is black. This is just stupid to me. It's exactly like NOT voting for someone because they are black. I don't vote for someone based on their skin color, I vote for them based on what their views are in regards to governmental policies.

I personally just think that Oprah flies whichever way the wind is blowing that day.

@Elizabeth: I think she's stumping for Obama because he's a "hometown boy" (being from Chicago) and because he actually has a chance at getting elected where as Jackson and Sharpton really didn't (though Jackson has more credibility than Sharpton as far as I'm concerned).

But I find what Oprah thinks irrelevant. :)

Haha, me too Rae..but some people will probably vote for him just based on the fact that Oprah likes him. How silly.

@Elizabeth: Pretty much. I actually hate all the candidates for president this time 'round and I can't in good conscience vote for any of them. I will probably pass on voting for president next year or just write in Stephen Colbert or something.

I don't find it racist that a black person wiould want to vote for a black candidate for president. It's almost like voting for someone on American Idol because they are from your hometown, or rooting for a pro sports franchise because you went to high school with one of the players.

Posted by: JKeller at December 12, 2007 9:49 AM

So when the race comes down to Obama and Guiliani, I will vote for Giuliani because I am white and I want to vote for a white guy.

Sorry, that is just dumb. The presidency isn't a football game.

90 minutes of Republican debate just ended.

I don't think abortion was even mentioned.
(I signed for a package and broke up a brewing catfight, but other than that I did't miss a minute...)

People can endorse and vote for whoever they choose for whatever cockamamie reason they want. It's one of the great things about this country.

Personally, I'm voting for Obama because he's half white, and I'm white.

No, seriously. I'm voting for Oprah Winfrey because she's a woman like me.

Actually, I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet. I am having trouble finding a pro-life candidate I actually respect. :(

BTW, the birthday wishes above are kind of tacky and hateful, IMO. But I'm pretty new here, so what do I know...

Samantha,

Your post gave me a good laugh I must say!

(And you are correct that people can vote for whatever reason they want..I was just commenting on how stupid I find the whole Obama/Oprah thing)

""Hillary vs. Obama: Who's the biggest baby killing champion?"

They're both very big supporters of baby killin, I don't know, thats a tough one. I'd say B. Hussian Obama is the champ.

Let the record show, this isn't to hurt Erin, although I doubt this would bother her.

Just couldn't keep the little guys off my mind, ya know?

Posted by: carder at December 12, 2007 9:43 AM
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Typical callousness of the PL. Oh so sensitive to the unknowing and uncaring unborn while demonizing women. Good job carder! Back to your witch hunt.

Obama is amazing. I don't care about Oprah one way or the other. She likes Hillary, butlikes Obama a lot more.

I have no beef with the other Dems, and will vote for any one of them who gets the nomination. But Obama in the White House would put a smile on my face for years.

He has generated 10 times the exitement any of the Repubs have.

Thanks, Heather.

Guys,
Isn't this like rubbing salt in a wound? From what I've read on MANY posts, women who abort do feel pain, sometimes deep, deep down.

Erin, if you're reading this, what's done is done. I pray for your healing and to find a relationship with God through Jesus Christ (if you haven't done so already!) so that one day you WILL be reunited with your little angels.

Posted by: AB Laura at December 12, 2007 9:51 AM
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I've many times asked and received no response to the question of what one believes being reunited with an embryo would actually be like. Do you believe that God continues gestation to create an infant in heaven?

Samantha,
Stick around long enough and you'll see that it's far from hateful.

There are plenty of rembrances for the unborn and their mothers. Take a look at Christina's blog as an example. Anniversaries of women who have died from abortion, legal and illegal. Not sure what's hateful about that.

A parish nearby erected a beautiful statue in honor of the unborn. Touching.

And then there are the days that are set aside in honor of the unborn. Today is such a day, Our Lady of Guadalupe. For those not familiar, that particular image has been utilized as the Patroness of the Unborn. That image was responsible for the extinction of the bloody Aztec practice of live human sacrifice to their sun god. Coincidence? Hateful?

One of the purposes of abortion is to get rid of what's getting in the way of whatever. Remove it, forget it, and move on.

It's hard for me to forget at the tune of 1.5 million a year. Abortions, that is.

MK, speaking of Our Mother, I am planning to dress as Mary for our interpretation of Prolife Action League's Empty Manger. I will be dressed as Mary and will be holding an empty cradle infront of a mill. I will be doing this for the next two Saturdays.

Posted by: Carrie at December 12, 2007 10:46 AM
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Cool! Great advertising for the abstinence crowd. Picture the caption: If Mary Really Had Been A Virgin.

Sally,
Good question: Do you believe that God continues gestation to create an infant in heaven?

If we're sticking to the physical realm, that's an impossible question to answer.
However, the soul belongs in the category of "spiritual" so the confines of physical gestation don't apply. Follow? I'll let my metaphysical buddies elaborate on that one.

Witch hunt. Interesting. Erin's shared much on the blog, she loves debate, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that we would remember her little ones. Part of the package.

As far as callousness, Sally, you've just mocked my Mother.

I forgive you, though. You know not what you do.

Carder, I think she knows exactly what she does and she does it to make you mad.

As far as callousness, Sally, you've just mocked my Mother.

I forgive you, though. You know not what you do.

Posted by: carder at December 12, 2007 3:03 PM
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Are you a mother carder? I don't believe that you have the right to speak for every and all mothers in the world. Speak for yourself if you can.

Right on, Rae. However...

For someone like her that exerts much anger and has survived trauma, well, an act of mercy may be appropriate.

Sally, really, it wouldn't hurt to love Our Lady. Best mom you'll ever have.

Sally,
Regarding your question of the continuance of gestation in Heaven...I can honestly say that I don't know. I do hope so, though! I'm not really THAT fond of newborns with the crying & everything...my favorite age is probably 8 months to 2 years. Very cute & fun!

Anyway, I don't know. It's part of the fun of wondering what Heaven will be like! (for me, at least!)

Laura re your 1:57 post. I'll then say: "Laura, stalking is illegal. If prolifers are stalking, then they will be arrested."

Carder - Here is how you forget. Since it is none of your business, stop thinking about it.

I've many times asked and received no response to the question of what one believes being reunited with an embryo would actually be like. Do you believe that God continues gestation to create an infant in heaven?

No....gestation of a human body is not continued in Heaven...mostly because the human body never enters Heaven at all. The human body is simply our earthly temple. Once dead, our soul is still alive but our bodies really don't matter. They will return to dust. Our Soul goes to Heaven, and each soul who is saved receives a new body, free from morality and sin, and perfect.

Bethany,
Right on! However, what age will the baby be...more like, what will the "soul with a new body" look like? Will age even matter? We will recognize each other, but at what age? Or will we "just know".

These are the things that I don't know...but I would love to hear your thoughts!

Here are some verses which touch on that subject:

1 Corinthians 15:

35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

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1 John 3:2

2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is

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Luke 24:37-43

37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38And he [Jesus] said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

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Philippians 3:21

21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

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There are sooooo many more, but I figured these would do.

Laura, I think we'll know! :) As for what we'll look like, the Bible says we don't know, and can't comprehend what God has in store for us... I imagine it's wonderful though.

Bethany,
Awesome! Thanks.

Bethany,
BTW...I went on Sandi's site last night...she seems so sweet & strong! Very nice site.
I clicked on the link for your art...Oh..my...gosh! You are awesome! You started only started about 7 yrs. ago? I LOVE the lighthouse mural. Purple is my favorite color. Your work is absoluteley beautiful! After I recover financially from Christmas, I'll have to pick one out...it'll be hard to decide, but thank God I've got some time!

Samantha,
Stick around long enough and you'll see that it's far from hateful.

There are plenty of rembrances for the unborn and their mothers. Take a look at Christina's blog as an example. Anniversaries of women who have died from abortion, legal and illegal. Not sure what's hateful about that. - carder

That's all fine and good, but a respectful rembrance is far from the impression I got from the sentiments of what was posted about Erin. The posts above were dripping with obvioius sarcasm and cruel intentions. Hardly loving.

Hey everyone,

If you are wondering what to give people for the holidays...

There is a great charity, Heifer International. Donating an animal in a loved ones' name is doing a high honor. And it is the gift that keeps on giving.

http://www.heifer.org/

Samantha,
As I posted before, I do not mean to offend Erin. It's regrettable that you've misinterpreted it as such.

Wow, Laura, thank you! I really appreciate that. :)

Bethany is the greatest! :]

Elizabeth, (This is answering you from way earlier today)

Perhaps Oprah isn't basing her endorsement of Obama solely on the color of his skin, but actually believes that he is the best candidate for the job (as at least a few million other Americans also believe). It's not like she's coming out for Alan Keyes or Al Sharpton, someone who doesn't have a shot of winning, just to be going for "the black guy". What about a white celebrity endorsing a white candidate? No one insinuates that they are just endorsing them because they are white.

People try to make race too much of an issue sometimes. Obama was raised by his white mother after all, so I guess both black people and white people can vote for their own race there.

Laura, Laura, Laura,

If I gathered people near your church to hold up huge signs of anuses damaged by rape and guys dressed as priests pretending to sexually assault small mannequins, would I be protesting child abuse, or would I just be a flaming jackass?

You accuse us of being inflammatory to gain attention and then you post this...shame.

You would most definitely be a flaming jackass, because unlike an abortion clinic, the Catholic church does not celebrate what these priests have done. Planned Parenthood on the other hand has CHEERLEADERS!

Now, if you find a Catholic Church that has cheerleaders standing outside of it yelling "JOY JOY JOY PRIESTS HAVE SEX WITH LITTLE BOYS" then you would be absolutely justified in waving pictures of anuses and priests.

Why don't you pick on the Hindu faith for a change...they oppose abortion too. Bad Karma and all that.

@ Enigma,

It is kinda strange, people do seek God usually when they are anything but calm and secure ... and it's even more strange because He usually answers in distress ... but it is often His answer & not the expected one.

I have to chuckle a bit at your incredulity. Most folks falsely believe that Jesus' original 12 were a bunch of pious choirboys. Picture if you will, the 10 disciples talking to Thomas about Jesus being alive and risen. Their enthusiasm should be enough to convince anyone .... anyone but Thomas ... if Rae was there - major *headdesk*-time!

My earlier post about the path of emotions was not meant as any sort of put-down. It is the path we all travel ... at any age. Emotions do have a pattern ... I call it a logic, but the pattern is a different 'way' than the path the intellect follows. (Typically the 'intellect' centers on the 'self' ... so 'rationality' and truth is about MY-truth. Whereas the emotions primarily are about 'the-loved-other'. And the two do not jive especially in concepts of sacrifice ... as in a parent toward his/her child.)

A good high school buddy of mine got married but their firstborn had a strange disease. When David had an 'attack' his blood cells would literally fall-apart and dissociate. After rushing him to hospital numerous times, at about 2-3 years old David did die.

Several years later my buddy, Walter and I were talking about David. Walt said: "you know that kid never lifted his head, never called me 'Daddy', but I learned more from him than from anyone, ever!" As painful as these words were for Walt to say, it was a privilege to hear them.

Almost everyone I know is confronted with such a difficult call. When (not if) it happens to you, where are you going to be?

John

Besides, you make it sound like we support priests who molest kids. We don't. Lock them up, and throw away they key!

You would most definitely be a flaming jackass, because unlike an abortion clinic, the Catholic church does not celebrate what these priests have done. Planned Parenthood on the other hand has CHEERLEADERS!
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Excuse me?

The RCC isn't paying a billion+ in settlements because some priests raped children.
The RCC is paying because the hierarchy covered for decades worth of sex offenders, and facilitated their behavior by moving them to greener partures.
Child sexual assault is a criminal offense, but the diociese (sp?) that were successfully sued for hundreds of millions were those that condoned and abetted the behavior.
(I'm sure they would have been cheerleading, but those pointy hats won't stay on...)

You would most definitely be a flaming jackass, because unlike an abortion clinic, the Catholic church does not celebrate what these priests have done. Planned Parenthood on the other hand has CHEERLEADERS!
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The people at Planned Parenthood are law-abiding citizens.
GIMME AN "L" GIMME AN "A" GIVE ME A "W" etc..

Laura,

Child sexual assault is a criminal offense, but the diociese (sp?) that were successfully sued for hundreds of millions were those that condoned and abetted the behavior.

Oddly enough, those would be the same diocese that condone the sisters of perpetual indulgence. Orange County...and the RCC doen't applaud that behavior either.

No, sorry Laura, the Church does not celebrate this horrendous behavior. Only you do, because it gives you fuel for your hatred of the Church.

You accuse us of being obsessed with the wombs of women and yet you are totally obsessed with Catholic Church and any faults that she might possess...crazy talk.

Oddly enough, those would be the same diocese that condone the sisters of perpetual indulgence. Orange County...and the RCC doen't applaud that behavior either.
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Orange County?
Try Boston and Chicago. They got tagged for millions, and they don't have the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
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You accuse us of being obsessed with the wombs of women and yet you are totally obsessed with Catholic Church and any faults that she might possess...crazy talk.
Posted by: mk at December 13, 2007 6:22 AM
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Wait.

Carrie is planning to wrap herself in a sheet and shriek at empty furniture in front of a clinic, and you're worried about MY behavior?

Wait.

Carrie is planning to wrap herself in a sheet and shriek at empty furniture in front of a clinic, and you're worried about MY behavior?

Posted by: Laura at December 13, 2007 6:30 AM ---------------------- It's a CHOICE. If I want to parade around in a pink tu tu, that's my choice. Where do you draw the line for choice?

Laura, true. I would qualify my singing as shrieking. That's why I don't sing.

Laura, you are starting to become unhinged. Take a deep breath and count to ten. Put on some soothing music and make yourself a cup of tea. For someone that accuses others of being obsessed with what people do with their bodies, you seem very fixated on what I do.

Hmmm, I seem to have really hit a nerve with Laura. I wonder why?????? I hope that she receives treatment for that case of rabies that is causing her to foam at the mouth right now.

Laura, you are starting to become unhinged. Take a deep breath and count to ten. Put on some soothing music and make yourself a cup of tea. For someone that accuses others of being obsessed with what people do with their bodies, you seem very fixated on what I do.
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A few posts over two days - written from the comfort of my home - is "fixated?"
How would you characterize fashioning a ridiculous costume, driving to some distant location, and singing to empty furniture?
"Unhinged" maybe?

Carrie, what's so darn weird about this chick is the fact that she is so obsessed with abortion, yet she claims never having one herself. I still have my doubts.

Laura, how many abortions have you really had? Did you get fixed because you realized that you were too stupid to own and operate a uterus?

Heather, you may be right. I also sense some personal history with her and the Catholic Church. She seems to have alot of anger towards her.

Laura, how many abortions have you really had? Did you get fixed because you realized that you were too stupid to own and operate a uterus?

Posted by: heather at December 13, 2007 7:15 AM
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No abortions nor bastards.
I know how to own and operate a uterus.

Laura, actually I chose to use your line.

No you don't know how to operate a uterus. Otherwise you would have full use of your tubes.

Heather, Laura seems even more angry than usual. I think we should just ignore her until she calms down. Let her show her true colors to the people on here that find her amusing. It is so fun to have young children around the holidays, isn't it? My son is older, but we still have a great time.

Besides, how do you actually operate your own uterus? That is a stupid line. Do you control how long your menstrual cycle goes for? Would you be able to control uterine cancer? Fibroids? How do you have so much control? You have a uterus fetish.

Heather, not only does she seems to have a hatred towards the Catholic Church, she seems to have a hatred towards children. Notice how she is always calling children "brats" and "B*******"?

Carrie, you're right. She's miserable.

Heather, that is one of the best lines I have ever read on here!

Carrie, *bow*

Heather, I have got to get going. I have to do my regular grocery shopping and the stores are going to be packed. We are expecting a large snow storm tonight.

Carrie, do you have your tree up yet?

Okay, see ya later!!

One more post before I leave. We put our tree up at the very beginning of December. I also have a collection of Santas that I decorate with. I am starting to collect figures from the classic Christmas specials(Rudolph,Santa Claus is Coming to Town,Year Without A Santa Claus). I want to get the Heat Miser and Cold Miser dolls.

"I know how to own and operate my uterus"

op�er�ate (p-rt)

1. To perform a function; work: "The motor operates smoothly."

Operate:

handle and cause to function;

Function:
2: the action for which a person or thing is specially fitted or used or for which a thing exists : purpose

Uterus:
1 : a muscular organ of the female mammal for containing and usually for nourishing the young during development prior to birth �called also womb 2 : a structure in some lower animals analogous to the uterus in which eggs or young develop

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Based on the above information, either Laura doesn't know the definitions of the words she uses, or she intentionally uses them incorrectly.

"Operating your uterus" would involve using your uterus for it's intended function.

The uterus has NO other function except to be a place for an unborn offspring to develop.

Therefore, if you are not carrying a child now, or have not ever had a child, or have taken action to prevent offspring from ever taking residence in your womb, you simply do not know how to operate your uterus.

What you do know, is how to stop your uterus from doing what it is specifically designed to do.

Just a clarification.

Bethany, thank you. Also, please do let me know how one can prevent endometriosis, Laura. I know a few women who suffer from that.

Oh, speaking of owning and operating a uterus. The one's who can't manage to operate it correctly are found in the abortion clinics.

You can't prevent endometriosis Heather. You can treat it (with varying success).

But I imagine it really sucks when you have uterine tissue growing on your lungs...

Rae, actually I was asking Laura. She claims that we own and operate our own uterus's. LOL!

It's kind of like operating a car. I hit the brakes to stop, hit the gas to go. If I operate my own uterus, which button do I hit to stop cancer, endometriosis, etc.? Just having a little silly fun.

You anti-choice people are pathetic.
Hillary and Obama aren't trying to force women
to have abortions.It's not their fault that
unwanted pregnancies happen.They want to reduce
the numbers of abortions as much as possible,
but they are realistic enough to know that you
can never stop abortion by making it illegal.
There is simply no way to enforce laws against it.

Robert Berger, why do Hillary and Obama want to reduce the number of abortions "as much as possible"?

Where is his proof? I haven't heard this news.

Robert, we know we can't stop abortions by making them illegal. You can't stop murder, rape, robbery, or child molestation either. However, you may be able to reduce the astonishing number of women who kill their children.

Roger said, "They want to reduce
the numbers of abortions as much as possible,"

Really? Just how, exactly, did either of them say they want to do this? What would be their "grand plan" to reduce abortions? Please quote their exact words.
Thanks!

Oops! I meant the above post to be directed to Robert, not Roger!

To all that are trying to understand Laura and her bigotry. Remember, your dealing with a lazy mind that decides that life is summed up with the philosophy of what goes around comes around.
Plus, when Laura cannot spell a word correctly concerning one of her objects of hate, in this case the Catholic Church, you get a first hand insight in to the lazy mind of Laura.
Imagine Laura, the Catholic bigot, writing to the local paper.
"I know Catholiks, and they hid in those diociece with those nuns and preist and molest children. Thank you, Laura, the lazy mind of bigotry.

Roger said, "They want to reduce
the numbers of abortions as much as possible,"

Really? Just how, exactly, did either of them say they want to do this? What would be their "grand plan" to reduce abortions? Please quote their exact words.
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Democrats Push 2006 Legislation to Reduce Abortions
From Deborah White,
Apr 25 2006

Three Million Unintended US Pregnancies Each Year
Abortion debate shuns prevention
By Senators Harry Reid (D-NV) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
Op-Ed First published: Tuesday, April 18, 2006

As two senators on opposite sides of the abortion debate, we recognize that one side will not suddenly convince the other to drop its deeply held beliefs. And we believe that, while disagreeing, we can work together to find common ground.

We believe that it is necessary for all Americans to join together and embrace policies that will reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, decrease abortions and improve access to women's health care.

There is no question that the rate of unintended pregnancy is too high in the United States.

Half of the 6 million pregnancies each year in this country are unintended, and nearly half of these unplanned pregnancies end in abortion.

It doesn't have to be this way.

Most of these unintended pregnancies -- and the resulting abortions -- can be prevented if we eliminate the barriers that prevent women from having access to affordable and effective contraception.

In the Senate, we have long championed the Prevention First Act. This legislation would help to reduce the rates of unintended pregnancy in our nation, decrease abortions and improve access to women's health care.

Our proposal includes common- ground, common-sense policies.

It makes family-planning services more accessible to low-income women. It improves awareness and understanding of emergency contraception, a poorly understood yet highly effective form of contraception.

It ensures that government-funded sex education programs provide medically accurate information about contraception.

It also ends insurance discrimination against women. Right now, many policies cover Viagra, but not prescription contraceptives. That is wrong, and our legislation will change it.

Ironically, those advocating the loudest for an outright ban on abortion are too often the same people who oppose prevention initiatives and instead support making contraception less accessible, particularly for low-income women who are more likely to have unplanned pregnancies.

For example, a recent analysis by the non-partisan Guttmacher Institute revealed that South Dakota is one of the most difficult states for low-income women to obtain contraceptives.

Unfortunately, the same hypocrisy applies when it comes to funding programs that support women who choose to carry their pregnancies to term.

President Bush and the Republican majority in Congress have promoted budget cuts for a wide range of programs that would provide critical supports for low-income pregnant women and their children. This includes cuts to maternal and child health programs, child care programs, the Community Services Block Grant and the Healthy Start program.

We agree that it makes the most sense to prevent unintended pregnancies in the first place -- and we believe we should also fund programs that support women who choose to carry their pregnancies to term and raise healthy children.

Our approach gives Americans on both sides of the abortion debate the opportunity to join together -- as we have done -- in the common goals of preventing unintended pregnancies, reducing abortions and supporting women and children's health and well-being.

As two senators who approach this issue from different positions, we have found that we can agree on a common ground that makes good sense and good policy.

We hope that the White House and our colleagues in Congress agree and will work with us to put prevention first.

Sorry Laura, but that article did not list the specific reason why they want to reduce abortions. Why do they want to reduce abortions as opposed to other surgeries? If it is like getting lipo(your words not mine), then what's the big deal to them? Are they coming out and saying that they want Americans to eat a healthier diet so they can avoid liposuction? Both are elective surgeries so what's the difference to the two prochoice senators? Any prochoicer can answer my questions if they like.

Carrie,

"Why do they want to reduce abortions as opposed to other surgeries?"

Because abortion is a tragedy; it ends potential human life and is a choice no woman should ever have to make. I support abortion rights because this tragedy is preferable to the alternative.
The "solution" is not making abortion an impossible choice, but to make it an unnecessary one.

Thanks for answering Enigma. Of course, you know that I believe that the biggest tragedy lies in the killing of an unborn child. In my opinion, the right to life outweighs the right to bodily autonomy.

Sally,
Good question: Do you believe that God continues gestation to create an infant in heaven?

If we're sticking to the physical realm, that's an impossible question to answer.
However, the soul belongs in the category of "spiritual" so the confines of physical gestation don't apply. Follow? I'll let my metaphysical buddies elaborate on that one.

Witch hunt. Interesting. Erin's shared much on the blog, she loves debate, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that we would remember her little ones. Part of the package.

Posted by: carder at December 12, 2007 3:00 PM
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Since Christians do not agree on the timing of ensoulment, it seems to me that the concept of embryos having souls would be a little far fetched. What do these souls consist of? Memories? Recognition? Just curious.
As for Erin, what would there be to remember? Morning sickness?

Sally,
Regarding your question of the continuance of gestation in Heaven...I can honestly say that I don't know. I do hope so, though! I'm not really THAT fond of newborns with the crying & everything...my favorite age is probably 8 months to 2 years. Very cute & fun!

Anyway, I don't know. It's part of the fun of wondering what Heaven will be like! (for me, at least!)

Posted by: AB Laura at December 12, 2007 3:47 PM
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Thanks Laura.
I can't imagine God gestating but it might make for an interesting comedic stage play. Or perhaps a tragedy. Maybe both.

Since Christians do not agree on the timing of ensoulment, it seems to me that the concept of embryos having souls would be a little far fetched. What do these souls consist of? Memories?

I think your confusion may be simply a misunderstanding of what a soul really is:
Soul

1: the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life

2 the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all rational and spiritual beings