New Stanek WND column, "Bill protects all preborns after 20 weeks"

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On Dec. 3, 2009, NE late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart told the New York Times that after the death of colleague George Tiller in May he began committing abortions "'past 24 weeks."...

The NYT added:

Dr. Carhart's fee schedule lists prices for abortions up to 22 weeks and 6 days (at that point, $2,100 in cash or $2,163 on a credit card), but notes that abortions after 23 weeks are available "after consultation with our doctor," and that abortions after the 27th week may take four days.

The problem is NE has a law banning abortions past the age of viability. Although unspecified, currently a baby is considered viable at 23 weeks.

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This wasn't the first time Carhart publicly flouted the fact he allows himself a wide swath of wiggle room on whether a baby he is aborting is viable or not.

Hence the introduction of the Abortion Pain Prevention Act by NE Speaker of the Legislature Mike Flood on Jan. 21.

The Abortion Pain Prevention Act takes us into a whole new world of abortion law, banning all abortions after 20 gestational weeks on the basis of a preborn baby's capacity to feel the pain of it all. At this age a baby anatomically "has the physical structures necessary to experience pain," states the bill, based on scientific evidence....

Watch this legislation. It has the potential to be as explosive in the 2000s as the Partial Birth Abortion Ban was in the 1990s, and just as damaging to the abortion movement. Meanwhile, if passed, it would save exponentially more lives.

And once again Carhart, the ultimate loser of the PBA Ban battles before the Supreme Court, is in the middle of it....

Continue reading my column today, "Bill protects all preborns after 20 weeks," at WorldNetDaily.com.


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Jill,
Excellent article! Although the pictures always hurt.

Posted by: carla Author Profile Page at January 27, 2010 9:14 AM


The NYT profiles Carhart's lifestyle necessary to stay safe: rarely venturing out of his clinic, and when out less than 30 minutes, etc. - if only these children he is aborting could benefit from his ability to design a personal protection plan.

Posted by: Row1 at January 27, 2010 9:23 AM


The pictures are necessary even though they hurt. They need to hurt. You are right this legislation is going to be something to watch. Here in TN when someone is executed (rarely happens) there is a law that they have to have an autopsy to make sure the execution went correctly. There is great angst to make sure the execution is done in as humane way possible. There was also a great scandal over dogs in a pound "being put down" in a way that was quick but not considered humane or with dignity. But where is the outcry for the innocent babies! It is because it is being done secretly. that is where we come in.

Posted by: Maria at January 27, 2010 10:09 AM


Carhart knows what he's doing, and it seems he has no interest in repenting. I pray he does, but if he doesn't then Jesus Christ, will hold him accountible! Jill, Thank you for posting this article! I wish they'd pass a law like this here in Florida, in order to raign in Florida's Carhart, James Scot Pendergraft! RJ I've hear Pendergraft is the "Tiller" of Florida, but He and Carhart, are both on the same level! I didn't call them abortionist pigs, because I know Christ died for these men, but like I said, their's going to come a day, when both of these men will have to give an account to Jesus Christ and their will be know one their to help them. Please Carhart and Pendergraft, Repent while you still have time! RJ

Posted by: RJ Sandefur at January 27, 2010 10:15 AM


Carla, read the National Right to Life document linked in the article. It quotes from Kennedy's opinion on post-abortive testimony, which it believes shows Kennedy would be amenable to this bill.

I'm really sorry about the photos, Carla.

Posted by: Jill Stanek Author Profile Page at January 27, 2010 10:26 AM


Read it. I agree. Post abortive testimony is effective and powerful and moves the court!! I am praying that somehow the thousands of declarations we have gathered will again be used.

I know the photos need to be shown. Sigh.

Posted by: carla Author Profile Page at January 27, 2010 10:45 AM


Why couldn't this bill just go with viability? THAT alone recognizes the humanity of the child. Not pain. What's the bleepin' point of using pain as a benchmark? As if the baby is less than a person because he can't feel pain.

Lame.

Pro-aborts will challenge it and if there's to be any compromise, Nebraska abortionists may be required to give ANY preborn baby past 20 weeks a pain-killer. This will keep Roe and Doe intact. Nothing gained.

Well, except that whole "we educated America about abortion" thing 'n all.

PBA ban hasn't saved any lives. (You have to pull the child only as far as the navel before killing him.) Will this?

Posted by: Cranky Catholic at January 27, 2010 11:07 AM


Cranky, there already is a NE law that bans abortions past viability. Carhart has found ways around it.

At any rate, this would ban aborts at a previable age - 20 weeks. Babies are considered viable at 23-24 weeks, depending on the hospital.

And we disagree that the PBA Ban hasn't save lives. The conversation alone saved lives by converting people to pro-life.

Posted by: Jill Stanek at January 27, 2010 11:56 AM


I work a great deal with credit cards, so I'm pretty familiar with the rules. Carhart is probably violating his merchant agreement by charging one price for cash transactions and another price for credit cards. If a conventional business did that, it could be terminated by Visa and MasterCard.

But, like the zoning laws in Aurora, mandatory rape reporting requirements, and the free speech protections in the Constitution, these people simply don't have to worry about the rules imposed on the rest of us.

I know this sort of "rule bending" is trivial to the pro-abortion crowd and the far left generally. It is not trivial at all. It is part of a gradual erosion of the rule of law and respect for the law. As the populace becomes accustomed to the idea that the law deserves no respect because it's essentially arbitrary, lawlessness will become the norm in hearts of the populace.

Posted by: Chuck at January 27, 2010 11:59 AM


Jill is correct. We already have an outdated post-viability ban with a health exception you can drive a Mack truck through and Carhart continues with business as usual. Carhart gives conflicting statements but has said he does abortions at 24 weeks through 30 weeks. We know that Tiller did through the 9th month and Carhart moonlighted with Tiller for ten years. LB 1103 bans abortion on babies capable of feeling pain and documented medical findings set that at 20 weeks. Plus the bill changes the standard from the abortionist making determinations on medical emergency decision to following the medical opinion of a specialist who is trained in the field for the condition which is affecting the mother, causing her underlying medical emergency status. LB 1103 would basically put Carhart out of business as he conducts it now. Nebraska Right to Life and National Right to Life strongly support it.

Posted by: Julie Schmit-Albin at January 27, 2010 12:16 PM


It's also illegal to charge extra if someone uses a credit card.

This guy has absolutely no respect for the law.

Posted by: Phil Schembri HisMan at January 27, 2010 12:59 PM


I've got to differ with you Cranky on this one. It's an excellent strategic move by Mr. Flood.

The most obvious and immediate benefit is shoving state-sanctioned child-killing back in the face of Americans. Yes, the pictures hurt. Also the last statement of the article, "That's 411 [excruciatingly painful abortions] every day." That fact needs to be talked about, debated, studied and scrutinized. These pictures need to be submitted as exhibits A and B in the court of public opinion.

We need to keep hammering and hammering and hammering the truth. And when we're done hammering, we need to hammer some more!

In addition to the negative publicity, the central issue of the debate, the pain suffered by these precious, innocent, vulnerable little babies... I mean, if that's not enough to get your blood boiling, you should double check and make sure you have a pulse! Knowledge of their suffering helps to establish the humanity and personhood of the unborn. And it helps to cultivate that all important emotional connection between the moderate fence-sitter and the preborn child.

Third, how can the pro-death mob contest it? Their position is indefensible. Sure, they can suggest that the murdering physician inject his victim with a pain killer but isn't someone going to ask, "If we care enough about the little babies to give them pain killers, why don't we care enough about them to let them live?"

Abortion is genocide.

Let the battle rage.

"Lord, help us to end the horrific atrocity of abortion in our land. Give us wisdom and help us use every tactic, every weapon available to us.

Send revival, in Your Precious Name I pray."

Posted by: Ed at January 27, 2010 1:21 PM


Sick! Sick! Carhard kills babies later than 20, weeks? I was born at 25 weeks! Sick! And What's the church doing nothing! RJ

Posted by: RJ Sandefur at January 27, 2010 2:15 PM


Jill,

Thanks for bringing to my attention the Abortion Pain Prevention Act. I hope this bill succeeds flawlessly but am worried that the forces of darkness will manage to once again subvert what is right, good, moral, honest and just plain common sense.

Since I live in Tennessee, I will not be able to make much impact in the fight, but I will contact TRTL to see what, if anything, they are planning to do to help. My personal opinion is that the bill does not go far enough, but at least it is a start. I think the law should be the same on the front end as it is on the back end, that is, life's presence or absence should be determined by the presence or absence of brain activity.

Please keep us all informed in this super critical area, as you know better then most the abject horrors of it all!

Posted by: Bobby at January 27, 2010 2:17 PM


"The only exception would be if a mother "has a condition which so complicates her medical condition as to necessitate the abortion of her pregnancy to avert her death or to avert serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function," states the bill."

Why is this open-ended exception necessary?

Posted by: Janet at January 27, 2010 7:22 PM


From what I understand Janet it's a juiced up version of the "health of the mother" clause, which I understand would be extremely rare.

The positive thing about it is that the bill requires an independent doctor to verify the condition. The intentions may be good but you know abortionists will try to use it as a loophole if they can.

Posted by: Ed at January 27, 2010 7:33 PM


"Plus the bill changes the standard from the abortionist making determinations on medical emergency decision to following the medical opinion of a specialist who is trained in the field for the condition which is affecting the mother, causing her underlying medical emergency status."

Posted by: Julie Schmit-Albin at January 27, 2010 12:16 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I skimmed the bill looking to see how this was worded but didn't see it specified. I probably just missed it.

Obviously, this is an important requirement.

Posted by: Ed at January 28, 2010 3:36 AM


Ed,

I appreciate your response. I think the graphic pics averted my eyes and I didn't read the post as closely as I should have.

Posted by: Janet at January 28, 2010 6:33 AM


RJ, I was a preemie too. I was born at 28 weeks. Abortion is creepy but especially the late-term ones because I can see myself in the pictures, almost. It could have been ME.

The poor, precious baby in the picture. How tragic. What a terrible loss.

Posted by: army_wife at January 28, 2010 3:59 PM


God help us! These are human beings! We admit that they are human beings! When will the pro-lifers make legislation to stop the slaughter! We allow innocent human beings to be drawn and quartered in the womb and then we're supposed to feel more humane about this by giving them the same rights to anesthesia as lab animals and livestock? Can you imagine somebody asking that capital punishment should require anesthesia and then you can rip the person to be executed in half! I don't know whether I should laugh or cry about this, this is insanity and it makes me sick!

Posted by: Cathy at January 28, 2010 4:03 PM


Helloooooooooooo....where are the proaborts? Whose legs, arms, feet and head are those? Whose mangled body? Surely, not the woman's body!!

Posted by: carla Author Profile Page at January 28, 2010 5:28 PM


Cathy,

We’re with you. We must all keep our moral outrage, keen, sharp and fervently burning.

What can we do about it?

1. 2 Chr 7.14 – Humble ourselves, pray, and turn from our wicked, apathetic ways. We need to cry out to God to end abortion in out land.

2. Pray for our government officials that God will either stir them to militant action to defend and protect the unborn from the ongoing genocide against them or remove them from office.

3. Tell all your friends how you feel and try to stir them to fight for the unborn at your side.

4. Meet with your pastor and try to stir him to have enough courage to say something about the most horrific atrocity in our country. Consider the outrage, the passionate empathy for the victims and their families after 9/11.

MORE BABIES ARE KILLED IN AMERICA IN ONE DAY THAN THE 2752 PEOPLE THAT DIED IN 9/11 – EACH DAY, EVERY DAY, DAY AFTER DAY, WEEK AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER BLOODY MONTH.

50+ MILLION DEAD BABIES AND COUNTING.

Where are our courageous pastors? Where is the righteous indignation?

5. Volunteer for a couple of prayer shifts at your local 40 Days for Life campaign at your friendly neighborhood child-killing center. Or, you may volunteer at your local Crisis Pregnancy Center. There is nothing like spending several hours on the front lines to sharpen your mind and spirit for the Battle.

6. Let your elected officials know how you feel about state-sanctioned child-killing. We need to throw pro-death Senators and Congressman out on their buttocks and replace them with God-fearing militant Pro-Lifers that will fight for the lives of innocent unborn children and defend and protect them from the horrific genocide that slaughters them by the thousands.

The only reason children are mercilessly killed in America is because the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ has been fast asleep, complacent, apathetic, indifferent to the silent screams of the unborn as they are ripped apart by sociopathic mass murderers with medical degrees.

NO LONGER!

THE KILLING STOPS NOW!

Posted by: Ed at January 28, 2010 8:03 PM


I almost forgot.

7. Financially help underwrite one of the many fine Pro-Life organizations: Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, your local CPC, any of many fine post-abortive ministries...

We're living in exciting times. What a privilege it is to be part of the Pro-Life Army that will eradicate evil, demonic, child-killing from our country.

Posted by: Ed at January 28, 2010 8:22 PM